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What Are You Watching?
193: Digger (2026)
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Warning: This episode completely spoils the new Tom Cruise film, “Digger.”
For the first 25 minutes, Alex and Nick have a general, spoiler-free discussion about Alejandro G. Iñárritu’s new film. After the 25-minute mark, the guys fully spoil the masterful, layered, satirical, profound film that is “Digger.”
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Make way with radio waves, bitch. Ready for test? Hey everyone, welcome to What Are You Watching? I'm Alex Whitthrow and I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How are you doing there, Digger? Let's fucking go. Bang, bang, bang! Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Oh man. Digger, starring Tom Cruise, directed by Alejandro Gonzalez in Yuritu. Clearly, everyone is having a very normal reaction to the release of this movie. We are recording this episode together in person in Viva Las Vegas, the Sunday that the movie, the weekend has come out. Um, we'll get to the reaction, all that, but we saw together. What did you think of this film?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, well, say before even what I thought going into it, it's what you see on social media. I was telling you this two weeks before this movie even we're opening weekend right now. Two weeks beforehand, everyone on social media was giving their thoughts on people that have seen the like, you know, the preview, yeah, like uh screenings. And it's one thing when you uh when you see a movie and you just kind of want to, you know, kind of be like, I wasn't a fan, or I was a fan, but a lot of these people were talking a lot of stuff about this, too much so for my personal taste, because you're gonna ruin it. Yeah, you're gonna ruin it for everyone, and there is something in here that is a very, very big thing. But um now that we have this divisiveness over this movie, I have to say I really liked it. And especially after having kind of a day to kind of think about it and process it, I'm a fan of this. I am too.
SPEAKER_02I mean, we have, you know, in your ritu has been in our life for the century. He's made eight films since the year 2000. I love all of them. We went through this four years ago when we talked about Bardo, a movie that like 10 people have still seen. That did not get good reception. But yeah, this is I don't know what happened like with his career because when he started, he you know, nominated for Oscars. Babbel was nominated for a bunch of Oscars, Birdman wins all those Oscars. He's one of the three directors in history to win back to back best director Oscars for Birdman than the Revenant, and then somewhere along the way, people just turned on him. It seems I know you're not the biggest fan of Babbel, and that's totally fine. Well, I I need to see it again, right? You haven't seen it in a while, but it it's like I just don't understand. He seems to be some sort of like pariah filmmaker to the people who review movies, who see them early, who you know, critics who are going to festivals, and it's just this like train of like, uh no, this guy doesn't have it. And we mentioned this in a very recent episode that when you know these early Rotten Tomato scores comes out, I haven't even checked it, I think it was like 40. I'm intrigued. I'm going, This is okay. What does is this like gonna offend people? Or what is what is this doing where it's riling so many people up and being so divisive? And then yeah, we're sitting there and I'm just shaking my head like at the masses, going, I really like this. This is a huge swing movie, it's very big. It is you know, we're gonna keep the conversation general for now, but I don't know. This may be the director like currently making movies now where I am completely separate from what appears to be all like the masses. I just don't get it because I love that he does different shit. I mean, we I've never seen uh really like a movie exactly like Digger, and that is it doesn't a movie doesn't have to be like brand new for me to like it in 2026, but it helps. And I don't know if people are rejecting the the newness, the big swingness of it. I I don't know, but as of this recording, the movie has grossed eight million dollars. Headlines are saying it's the biggest bomb of Tom Cruise's career, and that's just I just don't think that's fair to categorize it that way because I I thought this was a fine achievement, and I thought Cruz was fantastic in it.
SPEAKER_00I thought he was great. I think he was, and especially having a day to kind of like process it, I think he was phenomenal, to be honest. Yeah, he um, I mean, there there's uh there's a lot of characterization done on his part. There is even a little I like it, it's fun too, because there is a bit of like less grossman in there, I think. Sure, sure, but it's not it's not just that. Like he's he's he's really honoring something and and he's really kind of he's really doing a lot of things all at once in this performance. And um I I I have nothing bad to say about this movie. I it's it's it's makes me like the biggest thing that I'm hearing from people is that it's a swing and a miss. Because I think that's the one thing that maybe we could all agree on is that this is you already said it, this is a huge swing on everyone's part who made this. And here at What Are You Watching? I don't know if you all know this about Alex and I, but we appreciate good swings here in uh the cinema landscape of our time. Yeah, and um, I would still even applaud this movie even if I felt like it was a miss because I would appreciate the swing. We always kind of give credits to movies where it's sort of like it didn't land the plane, but man, what a swing it was, and I'll give it credit for that. I thought this actually was a swing and a hit.
SPEAKER_02Me too, a huge one. Huge one. And when the again, we're speaking general now. There's we talked before we, you know, hit record that I think the way to fully unpack this movie or give our honest opinion is we gotta go into it and talk about a lot of things that are in the movie, but we're gonna wait, and I'm gonna give a very clear, you know, spoiler warning about all that stuff. But this is this is not the movie that I think everyone thinks it's gonna be based on the marketing. It certainly wasn't the movie I thought it was gonna be. And when the big swing is kind of introduced, my jaw dropped a little, and I go, Okay, you've introduced this. Can you land it? And I thought he landed it through the end credits, which we sat all the way all the way through.
SPEAKER_00I mean, there is a um, you know, I I remember saying to you before we saw this, because you were like, So what do you think this is gonna be? And I was like, Well, if you look at what he did with Bardo, and then which was his last movie, I think everyone can agree whether you liked Bardo or you even saw Bardo, and certainly if it was your favorite movie of the year, like Sir Alex Withrow, um that movie is way out there. Very I liked it a lot too, um, and it's doing a lot of different stuff, and you could sort of see, at least I thought this movie Digger, it actually kind of it's not that far away from a Bardo universe. I think this might be what Inyuritu is is enjoying playing with now, because there is up until this point, his visual style has um it's it's it's a it started a little bit with Birdman and then the Revenant was which was just a feat unto itself in terms of visuals, but then Bardo is really one where he's like, I want to play. And this while while Digger is not as visually abstract as Bardo was, that it all lives here, yeah. So so it I really kind of appreciated seeing this director, regardless of what people think, continuing to do what he wants to do. And it seems like he is very intrigued with introducing a visual style. Now, we're not talking someone like Cameron, where we're not going into avatar stuff, right? And I think the use of practicality is still paramount over anything else. The visual effects that were going on, I thought were really, really great because they never looked like CGI, even when I knew that they were. Right. It was all it was all done in a very texture type of way that never took me out of the situation. I just thought we were living in a very certain kind of world, which is exactly what the movie wants us to be in. And as we get into later in the episode, we can break down a little bit as to like what that world really is. I I liked it. I think I think everyone who was a part of this team knew exactly what they were doing. Agreed. I do appreciate, I mean, of course, what are you gonna do? But like if you read like the headlines now that opening weekend is kind of here and it's not doing so well. Tom Cruise is coming out and and and he's not doing, you know. I always think it's funny because The Rock, Dwayne Johnson, whenever one of his movies doesn't do well, you can kind of see like he doesn't know what to do about it.
SPEAKER_02He'll try to put some spin on it, like this happened, or yeah, whatever.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, um, and you know, and uh, but I get it though, because you imagine these giant successful people, Tom Cruise does not know what it's like to lose. I don't think this movie is going to do well financially from here on out.
SPEAKER_02It if it costs reportedly up to you know 180 million and it's only made eight its opening weekend, it's not gonna do well.
SPEAKER_00We'll see where this turns around come Oscar season. I could very well see this movie still making a giant play at the Oscars. I could too. I I think critics will um it it doesn't really, I mean, yes, critics are having their issue with it too, but I don't really think it's getting too much of backlash that way. I think it's more from audiences. Yeah. I like that Tom Cruise and Inni Ritu are facing this with United Front, and they are not trying to spin it. They are digging their heels in the in the ground saying that we stand by what we made. They should. We think that what we've done was what we set out to do, and we're proud of it. Yeah. So they're not trying to kind of throw out a different narrative to get people to go and see it. They're standing strong with what they did, which is I think the respectful thing to do for yourselves as creative like collaborators, and I think it's the right thing to do because to me, there's nothing to hide from with this. I totally agree. And I think I imagine people are just sort of scared. Well, I want to be careful because I don't want to be a good one. Well, people aren't even going, that's the thing.
SPEAKER_02So it's like the marketing turned them off to where they're like, this is just gonna be a movie about like you know, crass, loud, white people who are caricatures of like political figures or or whatever. Like, is that what people are thinking? So they're just avoiding it. I I mean, I I don't know, but our theater, there wasn't too many people in there, but everyone was laughing. We were all having fun. I mean, it's a satire, it is like it is a very open satire. It lives in the family of Birdman and Bardo in that way of like, you're supposed to laugh at the crazy shit that they are saying, but yeah, we'll again we'll keep it general for like at least 30 full minutes. But I do wonder when this comes out on streaming or you know, whenever that is, if somehow it gains somewhat of a new life when the curtain is unveiled and it's just a little bit more public knowledge about what the movie is, will that make people more interested to go see it? Like it's well, it's you know, with people like us, yeah, you know, kind of telling people it's really not what the trailer shows because there's like this extra layer to it. I don't know, or will this just that you're right, they don't have anything to be embarrassed about, and they should be standing behind it saying, No, this is what we wanted to do. Like, if you guys aren't here for it, you know, that's a bummer because we put a lot of time and effort into this, but we made what we wanted to make and had a very confident vision.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, it very, very and it and it is sort of surprising too, because you know, we talk about this world of movie stars where um, you know, there there really isn't many movie stars left that can actually just have their name attached to something. Case in point, actually, a really good case in point for this is Brad Pitt in Heart of the Beast. Perfect example right now. Like that movie's actually doing pretty well um box office-wise, and I cannot imagine any other. I mean, no one even calls it Heart of the Beast. People call it the Brad Pitt dog movie, and you know what? If no one said anything, I'd be like, I'm in. Yeah, like Brad Pitt and a dog, let's go. But this is what I mean. Like that, like he's one of the last people that can do this. Tom Cruise is one of those guys, always has been, made his entire career off of being the guy where his name was bigger than the title of the movie. Right. I'm wondering if people are just confused by it. Maybe it's just sort of like a thing where it's like this seems weird. Right. And maybe it's a conversation about I like my Tom Cruise to be action Tom Cruise. Sure. Where's my new Mission Impossible? Where's my new Top Gun 3? I don't want he's he's he's got a voice and he's doing this, and it seems to be a seems to be a political thing, and I I that to me makes more sense than I don't like any re two or I don't like Tom Cruise.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, people just not going because they're like, what is this? It looks weird, I don't really want to sit with weird, like a R-rated it is a weird movie, R-rated weird satire. Yeah, I guess people just aren't ponying up for it. But again, I do wonder if if it drops on Netflix, I don't know, will more people just give it a shot? And if they make it, let's say 40 minutes in, will that intrigue them enough to keep going to be like, oh well, I didn't know about okay, I didn't know about this. But the overall point in this kind of general conversation is that we are absolutely recommending listeners go and see it. And you know, again, I'll give this big kind of spoiler warning when we get there. But I mean, we just had a blast, we saw it in IMAX. We had a the sound was oh my god, the sound was amazing. Emmanuel Lubeski is shooting it. It's I believe it's his first movie since shooting Amsterdam, David O'Russell's Amsterdam, which I uh did not care for, so he's been on a bit of a break, and it's just I love his style so much, and it looks you know, just all these crazy close-ups, they're shooting from below a lot, crazy long takes, like that. His uh Cruz had that speech that I mean he was just going and going and going. And I was watching it going, has he ever done anything like this?
SPEAKER_00Like all in one shot, not cut, not to this to speak to the movie, but not to that like level of theatrics, like that. That um, I mean, I think I think it's safe to say Tom Cruise has been put in most positions asked for any film actor to be in. Never seen him do anything like that. Me either. And I think you know, you you know what you're uh what you're doing, like you know, like this is the task. And so it is an that that in itself, that one sequence, I think is an astonishing uh feat that worked really, really well. And I think Tom Cruise just absolutely killed it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, killed it. It was amazing. It's when he's addressing a bunch of people, like giving a speech on you know a floor. And we I was just in awe and the camera going, you know, below him and then and then going up way above him. He's walking on like the tables and stuff, and and then you look at the background, and there's like these extras sitting there, they got their like necks all crunched because they can't fit. And then if you look closer, you're like, is that a person? I mean, there's all these little weird things, but Cruz knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah, he was totally locked in. Everyone was Riz Ahmed is fantastic. Fantastic, so good. What his few like flip-outs are really good. John Goodman knows exactly what he's doing, exactly.
SPEAKER_00John Goodman, I loved him in this. I thought he was so good. You know, obviously, he's an older man, and he and he and he and good for him, he's lost a lot of weight. A lot of weight, looks looks really good. However, they shoot him in the most unflattering and unattractive ways. My hat's off to John Goodman for for being in a movie delivering such a great performance while looking as bad as anyone could look on camera intentionally.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Cruz looks ridiculous. Like I just when he would walk out of a room and we see what he's wearing. I'm like, this is hysterical. Like he looks like a uh it's a satire, they're behaving like buffoons a lot. So I that is another part of the big swingness of it of like, hey, Tom Cruise, really famous person. Are you okay looking ridiculous, you know, for this movie? And he goes, Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, let's do it. And um, really great. I mean, every everyone who's in it, I mean, there's never a bad acting performance in an Inoritu movie, right? Like, he he really I think every actor knows what they're in for. Staging, blocking in your creative and very um innovative, I think, in a lot of ways of how do you block movement on film. There's a lot of walking and talking in this movie, and it works really well, but not in like a West Wing kind of fashion.
SPEAKER_02No, it's not like necessarily drawing that much attention to itself, but you're right, there is a lot of it.
SPEAKER_00There's a lot, like even in like the opening scene where you know we meet Riz Ahmed's character, he's got two other people with him. If you just kind of like pay attention to that one scene, like just the way that they're introduced and the way the dialogue even speaks to it too. And and then you get um uh what's her name? Uh Sandra Holler. Sandra Huler. Yeah, or however you say it, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_02You know, Anatomy of a Falls.
SPEAKER_00She's great, yeah. And should we she just bulldozes into that right into the scene, boom, tripping over things, yelling at Tom Cruise, and um sitting down, getting up. I mean, things like that. Like, it's just one of those things where when it seems fluid, it's actually really hard to do. Oh, yeah. It's like one of the strangest things that people never think about when it comes to film is how do we move around the space and how do we do it in a way that seems alive, purposeful, and that you don't even notice it. Because you take any actor, all I'm saying is is like throughout this movie, there's a lot of this and it looks amazing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and again, that goes back to the everyone knew what they were doing thing. So there is a lot of good movement in it. And then I also think of there's a scene when Cruz, Goodman, they're all sitting, like all a bunch of guys are watching TVs, and we don't see what are on the TVs, but they're in like a situation room and they are reacting to what's on the TV, so there's not a lot of movement, but then they'll go in these wide shots, and like eight different actors are gonna have speaking lines, and they know like that one there, that one there, line, line, line, one word, one word, and it's never stepped on. And and then when it is stepped on, it's supposed to be. So you feel this chaos. There's usually it's a type of movie where there's like 10 different things going on within Tom Cruise. You know, he's got, I think honestly, the I'll I'll give like a general about what it's about, but maybe that's best saved for spoilers. Like when it begins, it's just it seems like this really rich, you know, kind of oil barren guy, digger, played by Tom Cruise, is waking up and starting his day, and he loves his beloved cat who seems to be about, I think he says it's 30 years old. So right away you're like, okay. And then he's just starting his day, and some one thing goes wrong, then another, then because of this big problem in Greenland with one of his you know oil rigs, there there could be a very big disaster that's gonna happen. So that's kind of how the movie kicks off.
SPEAKER_00And it there's also a really great metaphor with the cat as well. You're you're you're basically keeping something alive that it it it it it doesn't it needs to go. Yeah, yeah, it it needs to go away.
SPEAKER_02It's eyes like one eye is all bulged. It's it's so but again, that's like funny because this hysterical guy who like wears these expensive pajamas with cowboy boots to just walk around, but he's so like sensitive with the cat. He loves the cat so much.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, it's funny. Yeah, there's an actress um that that's in it called named Sophie Wilde, and uh was reading this really great just as an example of like how in your and Tom Cruise work, they did a scene and and she said that she just she's like, Oh, that was a bad take. I'm really sorry. And Tom Cruise told her, he goes, There's no such thing as a bad take. We're all here, we're all playing, we're all exploring, we're all trying to figure it all out. And then in your joined right in, he goes, We're all we're all just seeing what happens. Yeah, yeah. And um, so when you just kind of get honest actors that just sort of admit when they are not feeling good about it, but then when you actually just get the truth of it, is it goes, we're all just here figuring it out. So let's let's figure it out together. It's great, really great.
SPEAKER_02And that's almost like realized in the movie, in a way. Like there's a scene that kind of yeah, reflects on that. It's interesting. I have the Wikipedia open now, and there are the things that we are not that we are intentionally leaving out right now, it's just it's in here. Like if you go to cast, it's it's in here. So yeah, research the movie, you know, with caution. I'm glad we didn't know anything about it, but yeah, we just had a great time. It was my dad coincidentally saw it at the same time. He really liked it, he really appreciated the big swing of it, and he's like, I thought it completely landed, like with the end and everything. But yeah, I mean, there's there's a I'm gonna get into more of the cast when we kind of go over the spoilers, but I don't know where how. Before we get into that stuff, like why aren't people seeing this? I think we've kind of you know we've hypothesized on that, whether it's in Yoru, whether it's I don't want weird cruise. Will it, you know, I don't think it's gonna make a lot of money. Will it get nominated for an Oscar? I I hope so. I think I think Chivo Lubeski will.
SPEAKER_00I think if I'm gonna guess right now, I think this movie will actually have quite a few nominations. I think this is gonna be, I don't know what we will win, but I think this will be a movie that will actually be heavily represented at the Oscars.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I could see zero, maybe no wins, but like there it's a sneaky movie that could get a lot of um like below the below the line, as they say. Like the sound was impeccable, it was really good. And I saw Johnny Byrne mention in the credits a few times he just won for the zone of interest. So I don't know if that's like if he would be, you know, the sole nominee for it. They usually nominate like three or four people for sound, but that I mean, even through the very end of the credits, like the sound is going, building this whole world, and it made us laugh a few times with you know stuff going on. Cinematography, we've already talked talked about visual effects, visual effects.
SPEAKER_00I think so. I think screenplay, I think um, definitely cruise. Um he really needs to be nominated if he does. It would be silly if he's not it it and it and it's at that point where you know we you know the the the narrative of the summer has been you know Damon versus Cruz, even before this movie came out. Um I still think it could be that. We're gonna see there's a lot of other actors that are getting. I know John Malkovich is getting a lot of pre early praise for Wild Horse Nine. Don't know if that is a best actor or supporting it. We'll we'll find out, but I mean that would throw a lot of things into the mix. We're hearing a lot about Andrew Scott. Yeah, he's got one. Um Hershula Ali. I was hearing for your mother, your mother, your mother. So, I mean, I I think we've got a deep pocket of come movies coming out here, but I think Cruz should absolutely be nominated because I think it's important to for a number of reasons. And I think he actually delivers the kind of performance that is an Academy win winning performance. Um, and then I think in Yuritu will get director, I think this will be in the best picture conversation. Oh, cool. I think I think regardless, and I think it would be smart too. I agree. Because if people are gonna be upset with this movie for the reasons that we'll get to in their spoiler room, then good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like it's like, yeah, exactly. Good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I think there's a lot of reasons why I think people should be kind of, you know, if they're not liking it for a lot of reasons, I think then that says something important that the movie is trying to say. And yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_02I agree. I think it would be good to give it some. I'm I don't know, more than really any movie that's come out so far this year, I'm interested to see not the theatrical legs, but will will it have any sort of life when it when it's released? I don't know, maybe not, maybe it comes and goes, but will it have life when the nominations are announced in whatever January, February? I hope so. I hope people are you know going, I didn't want to go to the theater to see that looked weird, but all right, I'll hit play on yeah, again, Netflix, whatever, HBO. I hope so. I think it's worth a lot of people's time.
SPEAKER_00I think so too. And I also have a theory that I'll that we'll get to in our spoiler section because I think I'm I and I'd be curious to hear what your take is on that theory, because I think it holds water.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, we're about a half hour in, so we're gonna we're gonna make a little uh transition here, not unlike the new movie Digger. So if yeah, I mean, you know, you know what I'm gonna say. If you have not seen the film and you don't want anything ruined, I would turn this off now and then come back to us after you've seen it. If you don't care, then God bless you. We're gonna talk about the film. This was something, you know, we're in the movie, and it's pretty rare to make my jawl like really. I, you know, I sat up straight and I went, ooh, okay. Yep, okay, this is interesting. So fair warning, we are gonna, you know, unveil full spoilers of Digger. We may even talk about the end because we both really like the end. So we have to, yeah, we have to. So we're 30 minutes in, we're gonna open it all up right now. You have been warned. Okay, so when the movie starts, when like we open in his bedroom proper, what I notice right away, and I got I didn't study the trailer, but I saw parts of it. I was like, hmm, this is very noticeable CGI in the backgrounds, and I'm not, you know, I'm not against it. It's kind of what you said, but like out the window, that that ain't no real field. I can tell that. Yep. So honestly, part of me started to wonder right away. I went, is he like trapped himself in some like castle and all this stuff is fake? Or I I I was I was trying to put it together and I went, no, you know, just let it, just let it go. And the movie's going and giving no indication that it's gonna change anything. And then, like, 35 minutes in, it is revealed that what we are watching within the narrative, like the digger narrative, everything you've seen in the trailer, that is all a play that is being put on it and they are rehearsing a play. I I just went, Whoa, okay. So, like Tom Cruise is an actor playing this guy Digger. And I I checked my uh watch because I wanted to go, okay, like when did they how long do they hold this? It was about 35 minutes until we see it. So it's not like it's revealing this, you know, in the last 10 minutes. And I went, ooh, okay, what like what does this mean? Why are they doing this? So then it takes on kind of that life. And it's not, and at first, you're I I mean, it's pretty clear about what's going on. Like, you know, I he loses a southern accent. Tom Cruise does, he's just talking in his normal voice. He's got, you know, there's a director of the play, it's kind of chaos. He's like in his dressing room, he's talking to his wife. It's it's that it's kind of like goes into Birdman all of a sudden in Europe. It does.
SPEAKER_00Oh, in a more singular yes, we really follow just sort of Tom Cruise's experience of being in between essentially rehearsing. Um, and we're given a little plot to follow. I I like that it it didn't go too heavy into uh like how Birdman, that's the whole thing. Right. The Birdman is Edward Norton, it's Emma Stone, it's everyone interacting with what it's like to put on a play. This is much more we're watching the actual rehearsal. I think it was genius because well, and this doesn't give anything away, too, when it comes to the trailer, because what we get from the trailer is we get that exactly what you said, Tom Cruise is this oil baron. He sees that there is a scientist that is about to tell him that there's going to be a catastrophic event, and then it seems like that catastrophic event happens and it's all due to climate change. Right. This is all information that one can take away from the trailer. So you understand that this is a political situation. If the whole movie was just that, this movie is as on the nose with our political climate as it gets. Yeah. This is exactly shit that's happening right now. Whether you believe it, whether you don't, these are the conversations that are happening, and these are the types of people involved that are either doing something for it or not doing something for it. That is it, like that's the black and white of it. If you just had this movie just be that, I don't know if it works because it's too much. Yeah. This sort of separation of having it be a play adds this sort of element where you're now you're just slightly removed in a really great way. And then the movie does something even more brilliant that emphasizes this that this play actually takes place 25 years later in the future. And so what it's actually referring to is our time right now.
SPEAKER_02Well, what we learn not 35 minutes in, but a little bit later, because they're still they're kind of stringing you along. And you know, we cut back to like the the digger type footage, and you and you know, he like walks back and he you know takes his place next to John Goodman. I love John Goodman's like this ailing, he's playing the president and he's ailing and he's got cancer, but then as soon as they're like on a break, he just the actor playing this president just pulls out his vape and starts vaping it because you know he's an actor. And as the movie goes, we learn, and I did wonder this. I'm like, is the point of you know pulling the curtain back and making this a play because this actually did happen? I mean, they like you know, there's an iceberg that breaks off from Greenland up on a like a drilling, a well that Digger has the land lease on, and it this fucker's gonna run into Europe and like destroy a lot of Europe, and so that's the kind of that's the motivation behind it. And then we learn this is a play they're putting on based on events that did happen. So this Digger guy was real, this did happen. He, you know, through gross negligence, yes, allowed this catastrophic thing to happen, and then the iceberg broke off and it did indeed hit Europe. And we learned that we're like, oh, so that's why they're doing this, they're going back, and and that was 25 years ago. So it's like we're making this play to pay homage to all the victims. Like, you see that, like our tech guy, he lost, he lost a relative, they lost relatives, so many people did, and that gave it this whole new dynamic of like holy shit! So it has these layers that are not evident in the trailer, and frankly, I found to be quite profound, especially when we find out who Jesse Clemens plays, yes, and his connection with Goosebumps, yeah. Me too, because we only see him when we're not in you know the tech rehearsal. We see him in the behind-the-scenes stuff, and he looks kind of crazy and he's acting, he's doing perfect Jesse Plemens. He's doing Jesse Clemens stuff, and then he has a big speech on stage where we're like, holy fuck, like okay, this this was it, you know, he is Digger's relative, he's like Digger's nephew, the real nephew, and he has all this money, and he's like, No, I want to put this play on because this was ridiculous. I need to show that, like, this we need to show this is how it happened. Man, I once all that was revealed, I really thought the movie hit into some profound nature that I did not expect.
SPEAKER_00And it's very clever and it's absurdity, and it's very um, it's also not absurd at the same time. And I think that was like a big part of Jesse Plummen's speeches because you know what what we are seeing and what we are experiencing in the satire is very, very funny, and it is very, very absurd. But Tom Cruise's character as the actor, not digger, he feels that this production is making a joke out of these people that lived this. And what we're really referring to is it's our current political American administration. There, yes, it just is. I mean, it just is. There's no way, I mean, they're like, they're not no one is going out of their way to say, oh, this is Trump or this is so and so. These these white old men that are have been cast in these roles are all playing a certain sort of scrambled version of what we see on TV today. And this goes to my theory that I just have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's hear it. So I think a lot of these movies that that try to tackle what's currently happening are oftentimes met with a set of indifference. I don't think people can kind of really quite understand that maybe they don't want to deal with what's really happening. Because let's face it, it doesn't matter. We're not a political podcast, but I think we can all safe to say that there's just a lot of emotion going on in our in our time right now, and everyone in this country has an opinion, very strongly feels about it. And I think, which is what I what I'm a big fan of this movie, is that this movie has the balls to just show us a perspective on our time that doesn't even have a message, right? It doesn't. We're not this is not a pro-climate change movie. There's nothing, there's no political message other than basically what the movie kind of says at the end. If we just don't take care of ourselves in the way that we could, and we if we keep ignoring certain things, we could lose a lot of life. Yeah. And and this movie posits exactly that's why it's profound to make it 25 years from now, because basically saying if our current world doesn't take care of things a little bit more, these are realities that could happen. And then 25 years later, humans are still gonna be here, hopefully. When a fictional movie comes out where it really is on the nose and hits the nail on the head of what's currently happening. I mean, if you think about it, there's no way. I mean, here's what's even crazier the tragedy in Nepal. That footage in real life was some of the most horrific things I've ever seen. Yeah, it didn't look real because it was so real. This movie has that exact same thing.
SPEAKER_02Exactly flooding we're talking about. Yeah, and they made this exact same thing a year ago. Yeah, think about how expensive gas is now and oil. Everyone's talking about oil now because of what is going on politically. They would they couldn't have known that. They couldn't have known that.
SPEAKER_00We're really living in these times, and it's scary. Very, it's very, very scary. And I think it's good that I think what's important that we should be scared, and I think that's what Jesse Plemens talks about is that there people have died as a result of the negligence and bad decision making of the power in charge. Yeah. So what's your theory on that though? These these these um very, very current movies that come out, do what do like are they are they more resonant later than when they first occur?
SPEAKER_02Now I think they are, yeah. Well, there's a few things because I don't know how many people know or assume that this is like an inherently political movie. I mean, I guess you get that from the trailer, but not like not as hard as it shows. But again, when we're saying it's a political movie, listeners, it's not like they're saying the word Democrat and Republican. It's not like that at all. I thought the most politically incendiary scene was when they all come up to Digger's mansion, you know, the president, his cabinet, and they're sitting at that big table, and Riz Ahmed and the other scientists are trying to break down like this is what's going to happen. And we get the typical like brew ha ha old white American man thing where there I don't even know if ever it's just Riz Ahmed who's saying, like, no, millions of people are gonna die, like countries are gonna be destroyed. He's the only one bringing that up. Where does Digger go right away to we need to instill the firewall to where we block all these words on the internet so no one can use them or say them? And it's like, well, why don't we just blow the iceberg up? We'll blow it into you know a bunch of pieces, and Riz Ahmed's like, that's just gonna cause more damage. So they're only no one's like, we need to apologize, we need to admit what we did, we need to warn them that this is happening. It's not, there's like it's really just a shrug. Like, the most important thing here is spinning the narrative. Yeah, there are facts, but we're gonna spin the story, and that is not very far off the stuff that we see on the news a lot.
SPEAKER_00All the time, a lot of spinning, and there's another great fucking scene. This is why this movie's actually, I want to see it again because me too. The scene between Riz Ahmed and Tom Cruise in the plane. Oh, yeah. What the tuna and this changes everything in terms of like this is just a great fucking scene because essentially Tom Cruise is eating this tuna and offers some to Riz Ahmed, and they're talking about how do we spin the narrative. And the whole entire argument that Riz Ahmed is saying is that we can't. We we're we're we we need to take responsibility, we need to warn people, we need to do all this or that. And Tom Cruise is have some of this tuna, and Riz Ahmed is like, I don't need fish. And then Tom Cruise kind of goes on this whole entire thing where it's like, well, that's silly. Why would you deny yourself something so good for basically what he views as foolish reasons? And then talks about this whole entire story about how this is made from the best, like, you know, Japanese, like, you know, fish like uh maker cook, you know, and all this or that. And Riz Ahmed, in that I couldn't believe this just watching it, easily eats the fish. He put up one little fight about his ideals and values, and and was convinced by a story, and then tries it, loves it, loves it, and then Tom Cruise's character basically says, by the way, I don't know where the fuck this came from. Yeah, exactly. And I thought that character, the Tom Cruise, that's digger right there, right, loses all the respect in the world that he had for Riz Ahmed.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think that's why he tells him when you get up there, yeah, say the truth, say whatever you want.
SPEAKER_00Because I think up until then, he I think it's one of those things where like I need to know who you are. Are you someone that stands on their on their fucking boots, or are you not? He learns that he's not, right? Tom Cruise's gross negligence caused this, all this, all of this, but he's got a point of view about himself that he stands behind. And are you someone that does that? Riz Ahmed proves not to be in this case. It's just there's so much going on, it's awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and again, the you know, our America's current president, that name is never once said in the movie. It's never even like alluded to. There's not like a cute, you know, name that's a proxy for it. However, this scene we're talking about when Cruz is addressing everyone, you know, as Digger, what he does is he just quadruples down and he's like, Yeah, everything my scientist, you know, Riz Ahmed just said, 100% true. Yep. I knew all along, and guess what? Fuck you. I don't care because those phones you use, those cars you drive, those planes you take, you all need oil. And he's just doubling down. And you know, yes, what are you watching is not a political podcast, but we are living in an administration that never admits fault, never admits wrong. No, so I'm watching that going, that this is, you know, thank God we don't have these uh monumental disasters that is are in this movie, but yeah, it's just saying exactly it's saying, uh, we could kind of get here. You could see how like it's not impossible to imagine that this is how it could be. And then even, you know, jumping all the way to the end when the we see an audience, you know, watching the first show of this play, and as they leave, they're basically told, You got to put on your masks, which is very covet-coded. It's like we were all doing that not too long ago. Before you go outside, make sure you put on those masks. And I'm going, Well, yeah, yeah, they hit it. They like they hit it without slamming it down our tools. With that, I never felt like I was being talked really just given like a miss a message.
SPEAKER_00Never, never. And the one thing that like we never see what the world really is until that audience leaves.
SPEAKER_02Basically, until the credits, until the end credits. That's why we sat there the whole time. And I again, I thought that was very profound. Where it's like, I guess it was New York City and it's just like this barren wasteland.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it yeah, I mean, and and the air is they you probably have to put your mask on because the air outside is it doesn't seem like it's necessarily like a like a virus or anything like that.
SPEAKER_02It just might be the air, like radioactive air because they talk about the rush, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because there's another iceberg that comes up that's got a bunch of radioactive waste with nuclear waste, you can't breathe the fucking air, right? And like, yes, these things are absurd, but you know what? We just got off of six years ago something that we didn't think could happen, and we can have all the conversations in the world of how it all happened.
SPEAKER_02But there were cops in the streets with the guns, and all which is what we see here. And I'm going, they like, yeah, they they know what they're doing.
SPEAKER_00Anybody who's a smart dude. And and and again, like this, what I think the point is, is like we've already had experiences around the world right now where these types of things could happen, but they happen and then we just deal with it. No one is really thinking about well, how do we just make sure this if this were to happen again, we're prepared or as best we can. Right. None of that's happening, and so what we end up kind of getting is a world where uh this is what happens when uh we don't.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when just people ignore emails, ignore warnings, because that's another thing. Like, we all know that there are you know, there there is like an elite who are in charge who could be in their like castles in the middle of nowhere, kind of guiding all this stuff. And they got the president on speed dial. That's the digger character. You know, he's like running the show. Yeah, it was it was ridiculous, absurd, silly, definitely satirical, but like many great satires, which this is, it's getting real close to what's going on. Real close. He did it this way because who would want to watch a dead serious drama about this stuff? And they've done that, like failsafe in the 60s. They did that, but it's the same, it's Dr. Strange document. I got a lot of strange love from that.
SPEAKER_00A lot of strange love. Also, shout out to the giant homage to opening night by Cassavetti. Oh my god, that was great.
SPEAKER_02And I've got my opening night shirt. I'm gonna wear it tonight. And I was yeah, they you know, camera slowly pans over in Digger's dressing room.
SPEAKER_00And he's got yeah, the opening night poster. Great. There, there's there's yeah, it's it is it's Doctor Strange Love, and that would be a honestly a killer double feature. That would be the one, yeah. That would be the absolute one, and um, and that's exactly what it is. And like, and there was a movie too that was very on the nose for you know time. And um, you know, like when you're this close to it, this could be a movie that doesn't age well, maybe or maybe it does. Um, but it's important to see it now because I think it it just raises questions in the right way, not the um preachy. It's not preachy at all.
SPEAKER_02It's not telling you how to feel. That's it's asking questions. Asking how do it's not going feel this way about after you watch this movie.
SPEAKER_00It's going, how do you feel now? What do you think? Well, and the thing is though, is I think people that will be outraged by it will be people that will that will actually misinterpret what it is because, like we said, these political figures that are a current part of the American administration are not said at all. Like these are not straight up names, these are not that, but there will be people like I refuse because I don't want to see so-and-so depicted like that.
SPEAKER_02This to me has marketing on the level of the drama, where when you watch those previews, you have no idea what like you're getting a surface level, but what that movie's gonna really be about, you're gonna see when you watch that. And this digger is the same way, so I really want this. I I'm really hoping that it just gets a little bit more of an audience. And I can't explain why people don't show up for this stuff. If you know it all the stuff we've said, the preview's too weird. I want to see Tom Cruise on motorcycles, jumping off cliffs and shit. That's what I want. But I mean, here he's proving, and we've talked about this a lot on the pod that we've been that this is in him. He could come back to this at any time, this more like dedicated level of acting. He's silly in this, but he's he's on it. Oh no, he is and never misses a mark. Even when you know, he only breaks Digger only breaks character during the rehearsal that one time when they're in that plane, and then like he goes and he's at Tom Cruise as his actors. Like, what you hear actors say a lot like this isn't truthful. I research this digger guy constantly, and he they're him and the president would have never been on the plane together. That's when Jesse Plemens gives that great speech of like, it doesn't matter, like if they were on the plane together or not, it doesn't matter because what happened happened, and our world got fucked because of what these idiots did. So we have to show this.
SPEAKER_00And but essentially, Jesse Plemens' character who plays as yes, the nephew of the actual digger character who exists in real world in this world, yeah. Um, and and he says, he goes, No, he was negligent, he did all these things wrong, and he is the reason why we live the way we did. But he was strong, he was this, and that's what he was saying. He goes, and that's what theater is, that's what art is, that's what this is. So it really was a sort of like verbal explanation of why this movie is doing what it's doing, and why there's a play in this world that is showcasing this, so it's really in a profound and very layered way. It was just a beautiful understanding of what we are watching and why it's important in so many ways, and it gives it gives everyone a reason, it gives everyone a purpose.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I thought the the behind the scenes stuff of them like making the play, I definitely got some birdman in there. But there was also just the scope of it reminded me a little bit of Schenectady New York and what that guy's trying to create of like we're gonna put real life in this theater and just like kind of keep expanding it. But I really did like, I know I brought this point up like a half hour ago, how the the CGI, the exterior CGIs, you know, toward the beginning were serviceable for me, but I could tell they were fake. And then it's like, no, they are fake because we're putting on a play, and you see that they are fake, and it's just a great little twist. And yes, I think when you're having a spoiler-free discussion about Digger, I don't know if you can use the word layered, but in a spoiler discussion, like this is a very layered film, yeah, and it is not what the trailer shows. And I really want to see it again, too, because of all the reveals and stuff.
SPEAKER_00And I think because upon first, you know, you're sort of being hit with all these things, yeah. And I think seeing it a second time will open up all of that. Like there will probably be so much more to kind of explore in the in the actual complexity of those layers and those metaphors of what's really going on. I think this movie would get better at multiple viewings, and maybe this, maybe, maybe as this movie gets out more and more, maybe these things will get revealed.
SPEAKER_02This is what I'm wondering. That that's what I was like dancing around before we revealed spoilers. Once it just becomes a little more open of like, no, actually, there's this cool conceit, it's like a play with it's like a movie within a play type deal. Maybe that intrigues people, and if that's what I'm saying, like if they are able to hit play on streaming and make it to that reveal like 35 minutes in, that's that's an intriguing thing that makes you go, hmm, okay, I'll keep paying attention because they're not doing it for no reason, they're doing it because they are reflecting what happened 25 years ago in the actual world. Yeah, and it's it that's the layers of it. Like, and yeah, I don't want to get into too many more political allegories. I know when they're in like that that meeting room, and one guy says the one guy drops the C-word, and then John Goodman as the president goes, Oh, you know, be oh, be careful, there are women present, and everyone looks around because there are no women present, and then all the guys just start dying laughing. Like they're they're talking, these scientists have a like a presentation going on television, and they're showing, you know, we're about to lose like millions and millions of people and like trillions of dollars of country infrastructure are just gonna be wiped out, ruined, like in a matter of minutes, and they're all laughing because they're making jokes about women, and I'm going, I I don't know, like it wasn't then people just get barred from like press rooms because you know, uh people don't like them because they're women. I I don't know, I don't want to get too. It's just so top there, it's so topical, and like you said, they made this like a year ago, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like it's just crazy. And it and asked, and like even John Goodman as friends goes, Why is this my problem?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like why that's his that's what I mean. That's his first reaction before, like, oh, the firewall. Like, John Goodman takes a little pause and he's like, Why is this my problem? It was a piece of ice from Greenland, it's gonna hit Europe. Like, why? And then Cruz is like, it's her problem. Like, yeah, he's just trying to, he's literally his first reaction is nah, not my problem. I I don't know, I think we're good on this, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like we don't need to say or do anything. It's like that shit happens. And uh, you know, I mean, it it it's it's all there, it's all there, and also like final scene in the boat where Tom Cruise prays the aftermath has already happened in this play, and essentially they've got nowhere else to live but at sea, like on an oil rights. On an oil rig, like that's the only safe place to be, and then they're running out of food. And Tom Cruise is like, no, no, we're not. How could we be running out of food? And he looks into the freezer and there's nothing there, and he's got he's got and then Tom Cruise just has like this whole entire thing where it's sort of like, listen, all we gotta do is have faith. We have faith, and he prays and he opens the freezer, and it's just all it's like like the the world is all this food and everything. And he looks at the cook and he goes, Now make a feast. Yeah, and then we look at the actual reality and nothing, nothing's there, nothing's there, and it's like and that's and that's a that's a a beautiful analogy for the way of thinking of where it's like, Well, what happens if I just live in my own reality? It's not real, right?
SPEAKER_02I mean, we've been our next main feed episode because we're doing two 2026 movies in a row. It's Digger, and then we're doing the social reckoning, and we've been talking about the slot. We have no idea what we're how it's gonna go, what we think. My early theory is that Digger is gonna be more politically astute than the social reckoning. I think the social reckoning is gonna be a message movie. I think they're gonna be nailing us over the head over and over with uh all this stuff. So I'm really interested to see how people show up for that.
SPEAKER_00You know what? I don't think you could get more artful, thoughtful, smart, creative than Digger. I think social reckoning will be exactly what you say. It will be hammering this message at us the entire time without much. I don't well, we I don't know. My fear is that it won't be artful. Right. And um I bet you more people will go see that.
SPEAKER_02I yeah, I think so too. But we'll regardless. Yeah, well, well, I'm yeah, I'm just really curious to see really that movie and the reaction to it, and we've been having fun with it ever since it was announced. And you know, we'll we will see. We got I showed Nick the red carpet pictures the other day. People just go look up social reckoning red carpet pictures because you got you know, pale, beautiful Mikey Madison there standing next to Aaron Sorkin, who has done all the tanning. I think he just fell asleep in the tanning bed. I think he went, I think he fell asleep in the tanning bed. Maybe it was outside in like palm spring sun and then got a spray tan. I was like, God damn, man, you are he is I love him. It is I couldn't believe it, man.
SPEAKER_00I I mean, I don't even know. I mean, it's like I it's that the wildest thing I've ever seen in one look like tanning.
SPEAKER_02I don't think I've ever seen a person that tan artificially before.
SPEAKER_00It is wild. He gets the gold for that, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so so we'll see. That'll be next, but you know, social reckoning will. But I think it's safe to say we both really like Digger, and uh, I'll speak for myself. This will be popping up, you know. We'll hear about it again on top 10 of the year list. Yeah, and I'm really hoping, you know, every movie in Euritu has made has been nominated for at least one Oscar. Bardo got one nomination, and that's a rare feat. Like every movie the man has made has been nominated, and I really hope that rings true here. We'll see.
SPEAKER_00I think it will, but I think it will actually have a better showing. I mean, honestly, I mean, um, from a directing standpoint, this is as good as it gets.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he directed the shit the shit out of it because you're never lost, like you're he introduces these new things, but it lands when the movie ends, you're not gonna be confused at all. You're gonna have a very clear understanding of why they did it this way, or you know, of the the play versus the real life thing. It's all it takes care of you, but again, without ever really hitting us on the head with this hammer, with this message hammer. No, yeah.
SPEAKER_00We never feel, at least I never felt fear. So when we're talking about, like, you know, all of these things that it is sort of referencing in terms of our current situation, the satire, and it was sort of just you, it was it was more Doctor Strange love in that way. But we do get fear in that subplot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. The fear that the real actor Tom Cruise's character feels for the whereabouts of his daughter, yeah. And so this is an interesting question. Let's wrap up with this. They could have filled if if you know that, all right, this is a play within a play, and we do need to give an ongoing thread, and it can't be too complicated. We can't really dive into it. There is a very real conversation to what is the best thing that that can be. And what they chose to go with was that Tom Cruise's daughter was about to fly to come see the opening night of this play, and she leaves in very bad weather. We're uh to understand that that plane has gone missing. Yes, they had to reroute, and he has these um FaceTime conversations with his wife where she doesn't they don't know where their daughter is, and so Tom Cruise is actually rehearsing all while this fear of that. So it is fascinating, whereas the movie does not like because another movie could be like in all these given scenarios, feel the fear of what could happen to us. We don't feel that at all, right? But we do feel this fearful component with this just very singular part of it. Very interesting to balance those two things, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And he's afraid because you know, whether there's this unexpected hurricane, but all this stuff is like his daughter, her plane may be missing because of what happened 25 years ago. Like it's all part of it because the world we live in now was caused by what this digger guy did. So yeah, that's another layer of it that he's not like flipping out about it, but you know, every time they go back to the real world, the rehearsal stuff, yeah, he's checking in with his wife, like, where's the daughter? Like, I just talked to her, she's not okay, okay. And then, yeah, so that that's a really good point. It does make it it makes it real, it makes it makes it real.
SPEAKER_00And and that's the only thing we get from that part of it. Like, we it's just one tiny little, it's there's nothing else. When he goes backstage, it's where's my daughter? And it doesn't become too big, but it's just always there. Yeah, keep to the point where he fucking answers his phone in the middle of the performance.
SPEAKER_02I know, I love that. The phone goes off and he just like hits it, but okay, okay, good. Boom.
SPEAKER_00And it's and it does do that one really great thing, too, where it gives the shot to the audience where you think a phone's going off in the audience, which is what happens in theater all the time. But no, no, it's him. It's him. He's got yeah, he's got his little Bluetooth thing in.
SPEAKER_02Uh, just uh yeah, I highly recommend it. I'm definitely gonna see it again. I I just want people to, you know, if you can't make it to the theater, fine, but watch this when it comes out. Like this is a good movie, and I don't I disagree with the apparent masses on this one. I don't think I think it deserves recognition and it deserves to be talked about. I I agree. Yeah, so that's it for Digger. I mean, we're we will talk about the movie, you know, as we go on throughout the year. I'm hoping for some Oscar nominations. After we finish this, we're gonna record our top five Tom Cruise performances for Patreon. That's gonna be fun. So you can go head on over to Patreon.com slash what do you slash W-A-Y-W to hear that.
SPEAKER_00I I think I think this movie proves, you know, in the years that we've been doing what are you watching, I think it's very clear that uh we we stand up for a lot of the movies that may not be critically uh accepted. And this this might turn out to be one of the biggest examples of our niche. Sure.
SPEAKER_02And I'm fine with that. Oh fine with like being the pod who like does the Bardo review, the glowing Bardo review, Malcolm Lurine, Malcolm. Uh Blonde, we did that one. Yeah, we're the only ones who like that one. Yeah, digger. I'm fine. Like, yeah, I will always support movies that I love.
SPEAKER_00It would be hilarious. I think we just did it, but to to to put together the list of the what are you watching like approved that everyone else hated it did like, and we're like, hey, I mean, Babylon, we did like three, four Babylons on that. Yeah, 100%. Even though that movie is sort of kind of making a turnaround, but uh Blonde isn't, Malcolm and Murray isn't, and Bardo's not. Nope, nope, nope, nope, those are my heart. Those her staying there.
SPEAKER_02I know I'd I'd have to think of some other ones where I'm like, no, yeah, we did this and we love it, and no one else does. Yeah, doesn't matter. Yeah, I don't hey, whatever. We're here to promote what we like. So we are giving W A Y W Seal of Approval on Digger. Go see us. Head to W AYW podcast.com to write to us, let us know what you thought about the movie, donate if you're feeling generous, all that stuff. But as always, thanks so much for listening and happy watching. Hey everyone, thanks again for listening. Visit WAYWPodcast.com for everything. You can write to us, donate, buy our merch, and join our Patreon. What are you watching? Bonus features is available at patreon.com slash WAYW. For a few bucks a month, you'll get new uncut episodes. Visit WAYWPodcast.com for more. We forgot to record an official WAYW recommendation at the end of that episode, but it's safe to say that Digger is our shared recommendation. And yes, I will always gladly use this podcast to help promote movies that I love, even if the masses don't seem to like them. And I do hope that is the case for our next film we're covering, The Social Reckoning. I really hope I like it. We're gonna talk about it whether we do or not. Aaron Sorkin, Mikey Madison, Social Network, Social Reckoning. It's all here. Stay tuned.