188: The Odyssey (2026)

Alex and Nick rave about Christopher Nolan’s latest film, “The Odyssey.” The guys break down the huge cast, IMAX 70mm screenings, Matt Damon’s best performances, the movie’s astounding set pieces, the score, the practical effects, Oscar chances, and so much more. 

Later in the episode, the guys re-rank all of Christopher Nolan’s films.

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Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching? A pod. Two men. One thought a trick to break the walls of cinema and burn it screaming to the ground. I'm Alex Swift, joined by my best man, Nick, though. So, how you doing there, Odysseus? Yes, yes, yes. Oh, you got it today. What a red letter day. Oh, I got that. I'll never I'll. I'll never ask for it ever again. You gave me. Let's go. Hell, yeah. Oh my God! God. I mean, how are you feeling to be here, I think. Dude, I can't even. This is going to sound so silly, because anyone who's mad movie buffs there are with us right now, you've heard. You've heard us get excited about movies. You've caught me at a particular moment on this.

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00 st Pacific Standard Time. I am freaking the fuck out, man. This is so exciting. I don't think I've ever been more excited to be here at what are you watching than I am right now? We I mean, we're in the midst of like, a this is a what do you call it, like a turning point moment because I maybe for the first time in the history of the pod, we are like equally as excited and charged for a new movie. Like this is insane. I mean, he did it. He did it again. He did it. Not only did he do it, I mean, this is this is the biggest thing that that I can't think of a bigger movie when you just look at everything, the scope, the whole entire process of how he made this and that, he made it so fucking good. This is I I'm struggling to think of a feat that's higher than this. And I know that's a lot. That's a very, very big, hard take for a movie that just came out 2 or 3 days ago. I can't I can't think of anything that's no one's done anything like this ever. And with the Imax camera. Right, right. I like that was my first feeling when I, when I walked out. I've seen it twice now. So have you. And we were recording this on Monday July Monday, July 20th, 2026. So yeah we're here, we're charged. That was the first thing I thought to like it. I don't know the exact what to call it because obviously, like ancient Greece isn't quote unquote real history. But in terms of historical epics, this is the best I've ever seen. I've never seen, like, a movie that takes place that long ago. That's this well done and is never I mean, and it has the scale of one of those grand epics from like old Hollywood, but never stale, never boring. And I mean, truly, I don't want to steal your word because what? You texted me. Why don't you just say what you texted me after you saw it? Because I loved it. It's a perfect way to describe it. You were like, that is the most blank movie he's made. It's the most badass movie he's ever fucking made. Absolutely. Absolutely I agree. I mean, really, I was good. We were both, like, equally blown away. I was knocked on my ass really? Both times. It's way better the second time to I agree. And the thing that I'm kind of had, it's happening to me. It's in my blood right now. This happens for the same thing for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, when I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I remember walking out of that theater and I was on the kick of that movie, but I had not fallen in love with it just yet. I was, I was, I was digesting it. I was thinking about it, I didn't it was not exactly like instantaneous, like, oh, here is the love of your life right here. It's a lot to take in on first viewing. So yeah, it would become that. Fortunately for me, I get to have that experience with the movie. But, I am finding that the way that Once Upon a time in Hollywood grew on me was in the hours, the minutes, the days following where I can't. I could not get the movie out of my head. And this is an entirely different type of movie. We're talking about a once upon a time in my heart would Quinn Tarantino fun, joyful little little thing. This is a deep, poetic, action filled. It has everything. Honestly, all the drama in the world that you put into storytelling exists in there. But I cannot stop thinking about everything about this movie. I have had the score going on. It has been clocking my feet for every day now. I cannot get anything about this movie about in my head. Now, I'm not saying that this is going to become that. All I'm saying is, I don't know. I don't think I have control of the breaks. Nice. And I will go see this movie in theaters as much as I need to to get my fix, because right now I'm jonesing. I just saw it last night. I'm thinking about seeing it again tonight. This is exactly, exactly what happened to me with Oppenheimer. Because, no, the first time, even if people go listen to our first review of it, I'm like, yeah, it's good. And then it just it would not go away. And I, I went nuts. I mean, I seen that thing like 25 times in the theater. Like it's crazy. I saw like 15 on its opening run and, you know, no turning back. No. Yeah. No brakes at all. All gas, no breaks, just straight cooking. And this feels like with Oppenheimer, it wasn't necessarily like, oh, I think this is the most amazing story ever. I was just going, okay, here's a scope. Like, no director does this with practical effects. So I want to keep going back. Like, all right, I'm going to I'm going to do film only then I'm going to do Emax and I'll do Imax and film together. So we this has legs like that and I'll just jump real quick to something I saw early this morning. This had the biggest opening of a Nolan film ever. It had the it was bigger than the Dark Knight, bigger than Dark Knight Rises, bigger than Oppenheimer. This thing's going to make an absolute killing like it made its budget back. I know, not like marketing and everything, but it seems to be garnering a lot of like, really good reception, including from us. So I'm just I'm so ecstatic on all fronts. And I love that we have this movie that could have some serious legs for both of us, because, I mean, I've seen it twice and I already have two more viewings booked. I've seen it on Wednesday and next Saturday. I'm here, man. Yeah, man. I'm, I'm I'm thinking about it. I'm like, how do I. Because because in LA I've never seen anything like it. You cannot get a ticket to these things like well forget about the Imax the 70mm for sure. Let me interrupt. So you have we've talked about on the pod. We saw Oppenheimer there a few Oscar weekends ago. AMC you know, universal universal City in LA has one of the biggest and best Imax screens in the country that can show Imax 70mm. You were like, man, I can't get in there like, it's sold out. So I just, for fun, went on to look people. They have 6 a.m. showings, they have midnight showings. Black sold out from like I mean I looked I after like 20 showtimes you go, all right I guess I'm done here. So I just I because I was looking for you, I was going to try to like, see if I could find a ticket. So I don't think I've ever seen that either. But I've also never seen every single movie app freeze the day that tickets became available, which is what happened for this. Was that like a month and a half, two months ago? And you can find regular Imax showings for it, which is probably the next one I'm going to do. Well, even the regular Imax is a digital version of this, right? It's only the 70mm. That's the actual film, correct. Unless you are watching a screening that says seven zero. You are watching a digital version of a digital version even in Imax, which is fine. I've seen it in we'll get to my first screening was Imax 70mm. I drove three hours to see it. We had Igor and I made a whole road trip of it, and then Ali and I saw it in an AMC, Imax, and I mean brilliant both times. But that film that oh my God. So yeah, that's two ways you could see it. Yep. You've got the Prime, which is AMC's sort of very good, like very great theaters. The sound in the prime is probably going to be rivaling to Imax. That's one benefit of that. We have a Dolby Cinema, so Dolby and Prime are like the same. And yeah, those like the sound and those really don't fuck around. I'll see you in that version as well. Yeah. So that's another way. And then you've got your 70mm, which is not Emax at all, but you're seeing that in a, for the most part, regular laser screening room. Yeah it will, it'll be like it'll look normal size movie screen. You know, we'll be big on the top or anything, but you're getting that film quality and that's going to be a lot clearer than the digital copies. So they say yes. And then you've got your standard with nothing. No 70mm film, just the digital print. Yeah. Now my, my one buddy was asking me because he's trying like, like hell to try to find a Imax 70 millimeter version of this. But my friend was asking, should I wait? No. And I my honest answer is no, don't wait. Just fucking go. Because I've had every version you just mentioned. I know at least one person now. My dad, I mean Ali and I saw together, but my dad had no fancy version. He just went to his local theater and saw it on a normal screen. Loved it. So just go see it. That's what I do with Oppenheimer. Like, yeah, I had an Imax screening and a film screening, but then I just watched it regular for a while because I couldn't get in for an Imax or Imax 70mm. So I wrote it out with this. I was crazy, like, I stalked Fandango, I stalked Regal Movies. Com I was on there. I waited for 90 minutes to log in to those sites, like with the little time or the day it was, you know, available. You know, it'll die down a little bit and it'll play for a while. Not consistently. They're not going to play it constantly, but they'll bring it back, like for this weekend or that weekend. But if the demand is there, he will have it in theaters. He's it. You will be able anyone who wants to see the movie on Imax 70 millimeter. If you are able to and you want to, you will be able to eventually. But in the meantime, just go. Just go and check it out. Just go. It's about as awesome as anything can possibly get. Yeah. In terms like big budget blockbuster, American filmmaking does not get better than this. It just doesn't like this is the gold standard for it. As far as I'm concerned. I don't want to be grandiose. Like still have a lot of good, amazing filmmakers who are still alive. Scorsese included Scorsese. They're not doing it like at this level, the The Age. Nolan. Is that what he can command in terms of cast and just all of it, the practicality of the film? How I found out just before we went live that that damn Cyclops was like a giant puppet. And they get like, I've seen behind the scenes photos of the damn thing in the cave. It's huge. It's it was that size. And they use CGI to augment the puppetry that, I mean, there wasn't a single shot or scene of the movie, or I'm like, oh God, that looks fake. That looks. When I knew I was going to love the movie, was the first time they set sail. When they put up those fucking pulled up the oars and they put up the sails, I went, any other movie, any other direction, any 20, 26, the water, CGI, the sky is CGI. Anything, any other movie. And here I'm like, nope, it's a camera and a bunch of dudes on a boat cast and sail like that's what it is. And it looked amazing in the fucking ocean. In the ocean, the actual ocean out of tank. Like the actual ocean on an actual ship. Fuck. Then the way that they did all this is is as real as it gets. I've been watching every single thing I can find since seeing the movie on Friday. That just shows the locations they went. I mean, you're talking about you're everywhere. They went to Greece, they went to Morocco, they went to Italy. I mean, you're scouring the globe to find the places that are going to give you the cinematic landscape that this director was looking for. The cast and crew would be climbing, walking up 45 minutes up these mountains just to get to set. Yeah. And the thing is, is like, there's no other way there. Oh, where are we shooting today? Oh, you see, on top of that mountain right there. Up there. Oh, cool. Cool. How are we going to get there? One foot in front of the other, man. Yep. And and that went for everybody. And it was all worth it. Even the cast and crew talks about it. They're like, you know, this is the most intense filmmaking that anyone's been a part of. But when you're there and you're doing it, it's there. Like it's just all worth it. Like we're like, I can't think of another movie that has done with the ambition, the Troy thing. So they actually found a town and they did use about, I would say, 30 to 20% of that town to use as the Troy battle sequences, and then they built the rest of it. So that's the stuff that they all destroyed and all of that. Right. But you've got the rest of that real time and they just built around it. And that is one of the most colossal sets. Like I was watching the behind the scenes and they showed how, like they, they made a bigger town than the town that actually existed in sets. And it's just like, but that's how you get real fucking buildings falling down. That is not CGI. Tennant does this too, but when you see that building like collapsed behind him, I went, that's real. Like that's an actual structure falling down. Yeah, it's oh my God. And they only have one shot at that too. They can't rebuild that. Like like like, nope. And you're talking about the most amount of extras with all of their costumes and all of this. And of course, like, you know, you go back to like, you know, like just thinking about movies like Ben-Hur, The Ten Commandments, you know, these old historical epics which were again, for their time period that was as big as you get. This is what I'm saying is, like when you're when you're kind of thinking about all the movies that are made and not in terms of CGI or cost, you know, because you've got James Cameron that's doing avatar, right. Let's just throw that one out there. There's a level of what James Cameron's doing with those movies that's never been done before. Sure. And that's but that's so specific to technology and things like that. This is old school filmmaking peppered in with the visual effects that Nolan doesn't rely on, but just uses to texture things just like the Cyclops. And you're getting it done on a scale that the like Ben-Hur Ten Commandments couldn't do. Right, right. This is this is as big as filmmaking is. And and that's why I don't think that there's a, there's a, there's nothing else you can say. There's no other movie that can you think of one that rivals this. No, not that's why I said it's I think it's at least certainly my favorite historical epic. Those two movies you decided Ben-Hur, Ten Commandments. You can throw things like Cleopatra in there without. Absolutely stunning. I've seen all these movies. There's also Spartacus, too. There's a trade off that comes with these movies, and that is that for long passages, I'm sorry to say, they're quite dull and they get quite boring of not 5 to 10 minutes, like 30, 40 minutes of complex dialog and, you know, political theater and all this stuff and who screwed who over and who did this and this movie has the appropriate amount of that, but I, I like it was so funny. I didn't catch any one going to the bathroom. The first feeling that's like Imax 70 millimeter. You know, it was 8 a.m.. We were where the heads like, we're in there. Yeah, but my second one, I did see a few people and I'm like, you're like, you think you have a down moment? And then they would go to the bathroom and they missed the whole Haiti sequence. And they came back and I'm like, you just like it is paced so, so well. And that is the Nolan thing. Like there's there's just no fat in it at all. It's shorter than Oppenheimer. Two hours and 52 minutes and the whole thing, it moves. And that's that's like the modernist of it. Yes. Also using CGI to augment certain stuff. But then also the modernization is the editing, and it is the pace. And it's like, hey, I'm still building this perfect story over here on Ithaca. And I'll go back and, you know, we'll talk for a little bit, but the next grand set piece that rivals just about anything you've seen before is just right around the corner. And what do we always say on this pod while I'm at the end? Oh my God, oh my God, Jesus Christ I'm like how does does. Does the music crescendo. Doesn't know. It's just it's just do I mean oh my. This crazy bastard is going to win his fourth Oscar for score. I swear to God, I swear to God it's it's. I was thinking that, you know that. Okay. This is so funny. Okay. Like, one of the things that I thought of going into this movie because I had. Yeah. Let's talk about our expectations. Okay. Yeah, let's talk about it. I can safely say that I was like, it's going to be good. Like like he's not going to let us down. Like, like there's not going to be a bad thing. But other than that, I didn't really know what to expect. I didn't really have much of. And I didn't really want to have too much expectation. I just sort of kept my expectations at it's going to be good. There was one notion that was going across in my head, I don't care how good the score is, there's no way that this Ludwig fuck this guy, I say. I say it with all love and respect because he's an amazing artist. But I was like, there's no way this dude's going to win another Oscar. Of all of the things that have stuck with me about this movie, it's the fucking score that I am. Like, I, I am walking, I'm brushing my teeth. I know I said it all the time, but I'm literally brushing my teeth to this score from the second I wake up to my drives to what I'm doing, to my workouts. Are you kidding me? Dude? I'm done. Like this. Score. It's one of my favorite scores I like. I can remember hearing in a very long time now. I don't know if it's going to win necessarily, but then I saw the shit that they did to get some of these sounds like the original instrumentation and stuff and yeah, like not relying on an orchestra and all that. Yep. So there's two particular instruments and I God help me, I don't know the names. There isn't an actual like they they are some of the oldest instruments in like in like the hieroglyphics where they're looking at these things and they're like, well, there's actually no record of that type of instrument. But these go back to the fifth and sixth century. And the guy was saying, he goes, well, whatever roots that there were for these, they don't exist anymore. So we've just had to kind of do our best with, what, from research and history. And we're going to make these instruments as close as we think that they were, and to how they might have been played based on hieroglyphics and where the locations of where these took place and what was around them, what they could have built to make instruments. And one of them is the instrument that they use for the very, very people will know the sirens, like the big siren sequence, that which actually does permeate a lot of the movie going forward. After that particular sequence story, I would say the theme, maybe of it. That's all done with one of those instruments from the fifth or sixth century that no one really knows how to use. Jesus. I mean, dude, yeah, it out of control. Everything popped out to obviously the way it looked, but yeah, as soon as that score started, I'm like, man, this guy is. We can talk about Oscars later. Potential Oscars. A lot of people have already asked me that. I can just tell you, I got no idea. I mean, I don't, and because he just one not like last year, but his last movie, he won seven, including picture director, actor, I mean, and we're only halfway through the year. I don't I have no idea that this pod is not going to this movie at the very least will be nominated for a lot. So we'll still be talking about Oscars like way down the line. But yeah, my expectations. I was keeping them in check. I'm like, cool. I don't think it's I'm not expecting it to be the best movie ever made. But honestly, when I look at the filmography, all 12 films now 13, I have never seen a bad one. I like them all. We are ranking Nolan on here. My 13th movie, the one I have in 13th place. I give an A minus two so everything else gets an A minus or higher. I love the man's work, but it just it really did exceed my expectations in terms of the scope of it. Yeah. You and I both were avoiding the internet. Not just social media, like the internet, like the plague for two weeks because these savages, you know, everyone who saw it early were just firebombing all these spoilers and all this shit that I didn't want to see. So I did not know much about it. And I did not know much about the Odyssey either. Not I mean, not really. I knew kind of an embarrassing amount. The the majority of what I know from Homer's The Odyssey is from the Coen brothers. O brother, where art thou like I? And I could see parallels, even John Goodman with the patch. I'm like, oh, he's the Cyclops. Okay, I get it. And I knew that was an extremely loose adaptation, but I never read the Odyssey. I've read the Iliad. So when I knew when he announced The Odyssey is my next movie, I'm like, all right, I'm not going to read it. But Ali studied this stuff in high school. You know, she was in those smart classes in high school and like, studied the Odyssey and broke it down. So she was very familiar with I mean, she kind of expected like she knew she knew the name Cersei and like stuff like that. And what was going to lead to that. So it whether you are familiar with the story like her or not, like me, I think you're going to enjoy the movie equally. But if you like, love the story, I mean, this is how could you ask for a better adaptation than this? This is amazing. I don't really think you can. Funny, I actually, I knew I knew a bit about this. Did you? I was a kid. I wouldn't say I'm on Ali's level. I didn't study it. But when I was a kid, I went through a whole entire, like, Greek mythology phase. Like I saw clash of the Titans. Yes, when I was, I. Oh, my mom must have shown me that when I was about 8 or 9. I love that movie, and I just. I fell in love. I go, wait, there's like different gods. And they have like, like powers and like, they like I saw Medusa and oh me to the idea of this person where if you look at her eyes, she turns you into stone and she has snakes for hair. As a kid I go, well, this is as cool as cool gets like like like like I can't even imagine. So I went on, I didn't read Homer's The Odyssey, however. Oh, back in the day, they used to do this. They had this for the Bible to where they would give you, like kind of cliff notes, comic book, graphic novel type things. Yeah. So I knew the Odyssey from that. I forgot what it was called. I couldn't tell you what publication it was, but it was essentially a kid's version of graphic novel style. Cliff notes of of Homer's The Odyssey. And so I pretty much knew the story from that. But and I mean, you're really getting most of it. There's not really much, you know, you're. Yeah. And so I've always been familiar with it from that same thing with The Iliad. I knew the exact same graphic novel version of that as well. So I've always been very interested. I think that it's some of the most interesting storytelling that's ever been. I mean, these the Greek mythology is just it's just so fucking cool. It really is. Yeah. And I thought this movie did an excellent job of you not needing to know any of it going in. I would say if you wanted to give your if you know absolutely nothing, want to give yourself a little bit of like an intro, just do a little bit of research on what led to the Trojan War. That would that that will help you out tremendously because the stuff that they cover very, very fast, and I think they do it in the only way I can imagine. How is the stuff with, Helen and Melanie's and, and I can never pronounce it argument on. Yeah, that piece of it. Well, you won't be confused by the movie if you know a little bit more about the war, go like how the why the reason there was the Trojan horse and all that, then you'll be like, all right, now I get it. And and then it'll make Ben safety's big moment on Hades just ring true a little bit clearer. Yeah, absolutely. And that's kind of what Troy is about. The Wolfgang Petersen movie with Brad Pitt from 2004. That's the Iliad that. Yeah. You know, I didn't know if you do. That was Betty safety as I left him because we're going to do the cast deck. So I left him off and they don't focus on his face at all. And man, I thought he was great. I could only tell it was him in the Hades sequence before. And then when I saw the second time, I'm like, oh yeah, that's him. Yeah, I can see him behind, behind that big mask. But he was I mean, yeah, he was great. What a good presence he has. Yeah. His whole entire deal was basically, you know, if you kind of look at the two versions of the kings of Odysseus and him, is that he led by my presence means I rule. People's lives don't matter. Like the cost of sacrifices, whatever I need it to be to get what I want. That's how he ruled the main one. Odysseus. Odysseus. There's more of an honor to to his way of ruling. Yeah, and and this movie's not even about that at all. But you can just sort of see it. Like the fact that Odysseus sits in a horse with his men for days, covered in piss and shit just to unlock the door just so he can be there and be like, that's right, I'm taking this over. We're going. God damn right. What? But yes, that was all just to say, Benny, safety's presence is absolutely felt. Absolutely. Let's get just by way of starting where I'm going to talk. You know, we're going to talk about most of the cast here and the different sort of like roles they play. Not going to get to in depth. Just talk. You know what we thought about them all that stuff I guess, you know 32 minutes here into the pod. Hey, we were talking about this right before we recorded. If like, I myself, Alex would never listen to a podcast episode about the Odyssey before seeing the film. So I think that is implicit by this point. People understand that. And then there are the other lovable freaks who just don't really care and will listen to us, and they don't care about spoilers. So we're not going to, like, go out of our way to spoil shit. But yes, certain things are going to get brought up. So that's that. And you know, we're again, not going to like dissect the ending, but just you've been warned. Here we go. This cast will start with the man, the fucking man Matt Damon. And so we're gonna have a brief side quest because I wanted to hear your top five from him. Top five. Damon. It can be, you know, boom quick. Because I really want to see if the Odyssey is on it. And then where I will say, I, I this is why it's going to be a tough one. I don't have him on here yet for this. Okay. Because I need I needed to sit a little bit more. But I mean talk to me in like tomorrow and it'll probably talk to you. Probably be on it. Yeah. All right. Number five. Favorite. Damon. You're gonna fucking laugh so hard with what I have to say. This my number five favorite Matt Damon performance is The Departed. Oh, wow. I that's one of the movies you talk to most shit about, so that does surprise me. But even in your shit, talking, like, I think Leo's really good. I've always thought the acting was very good in the film. I mean, Jack is like on his own planet, but the story is the thing that is, like silly in the movie. It's still a very entertaining movie, but I love that. I love that for you. Well, I've always thought that because I even have some issues with Leo's acting in that movie as well. Matt Damon, since the very first day I saw it, I go the actor to watch in this movie. It's not Leo, it's not Jack, it's Matt Damon. Watch what he's doing throughout that entire movie. He is balancing so much, and you can tell that he's playing a guy that's not in the text. He is. He's making choices about this guy's sexuality, about these little behavioral things that you're just getting like these little, like, impulse ideas about that he's fucking putting in there. So everyone else is just kind of running around doing some crazy shit. Matt Damon's performance in The Departed is actually really layered, and I dare say the word, this word for that movie complex. Nice. My number five Oppenheimer, General Leslie Gross. The only supporting performance I have on my list. And I wanted to get a supporting. I've seen the movie a gazillion times. There's a huge pop when he enters it and he is one of the funniest assholes characters just in film I've seen. He hates and asshole to everyone, but I love him in it. All right, number four, second number four, oldie but goodie, the Talented Mr. Ripley. That's my number four. Cool. Yeah. Perfect. Go. He. I mean, we just. Well, we're going to talk about him in an upcoming episode because we prerecorded a. Oh, that's a Patreon. Oh, you're gonna have to head over to Patreon here. Our list of our favorite movie sociopaths ever. And maybe he makes one of ours. We did that for coming Vanishing episode. Yes, yes. So head over to Patreon for that. But yeah, I mean, he this is a he's fantastic in this. He's so good. Fantastic. I mean, you talk about like every kind of like facet of like like sensitivity, vulnerability, intelligence. I mean, this dude's he's talented. He's a talented guy. He's a talented. How's it going, Tommy? How's the peeping Tommy number three from you? All right. This is one that we did talk about in our Steven Soderbergh. I know you're going to say, like, well, which one? He's in, like 8000 of them. I'm going with Behind the Candelabra. Oh. Very nice. Good, good good. Okay. I love that this is it's the most un Matt Damon performance that I think he's ever given. But I like the hand the canon of opera. Because I feel like that was a really big swing on his part. Yeah, I love that film. Love him in it. My number three boy genius from Southie. Goodwill hunting. That's my number two. Okay, good. Yeah, my number two. Also a Soderbergh favorite. I am going to call my shot early and maybe guess this is your number one. The informant, Mark Whitaker. Another very good. He's a manic depressive. Not necessarily sociopath, but is that your one? That's my number one I love it. Informant. What's my number one? Don't fucking. Don't be an asshole. Don't fucking give it to this right here, right now. You've seen it twice. Odysseus, baby. Dude, you're crazy. You're fucking. You're out of your fucking. Not out of your mind. But that's a wild statement. No it's not. Thank God a little bit. Think about all of his other work and what he's asked to do in this. Well, it's well, no, it's absolutely true presented here. And some might argue that his best scene in the movie, we don't even hear him. He is fucking muted listening to those sirens and he is astounding. This wasn't I mean I love Will hunting, I love Mark Whitaker. I'm a huge Damon fan. This could be I mean we could have done top 15 easily like Behind the Candelabra. Love, love. I have always loved Damon. I love all the Pretty Horses rounders, like always. He was the first celebrity I was ever called. Like when I was a kid, when he became famous, people started saying like, you be Matt Damon's brother or something. I still get it today. Well, listen, gift here. Here's the deal. I'm saying it's no, no, I'm I'm making my case for number one. It's Odysseus. There's no fucking question. He has led movies. He has never led movies by like this. He is fucking commanding it. And why don't you say your hot take that. You've been saying for months. We could open that up right now. Oh, about what's going to happen in March. And I've been saying it since months before it. I was like, Matt Damon is going to win Best actor for for this movie. How do you feel? I mean, I mean, he's got crews to compete with already. It's already brewing. We're going to get a we're going to get a battle to the fucking death right here. Between these going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. You're not wrong at all. Yeah, it's the crowning achievement of his career. And you are going to make fun of me mercilessly when I come back to you in a couple of days and say, you're right. He's. This is my favorite math performance he's ever given. So I don't even saying it's my favorite. I'm saying it's his best. I truly think it like I love him in Ocean's 12, but I don't. I really can't think of too many other people who could do this right now. The man is 55 like that. That is, you know, we usually associate roles like this with 30 year old actors or something. It's astounding. The depth, the pathos is astounding. And it does sort of kind of roll up everything in terms of what he's done in his entire career. You've got levels of Jason Bourne in here. Absolutely. Scott levels. And like, you know, the biggest thing about Matt Damon is like, he's always the one. He's like always the guy. It's like the chosen one, like in every single type of thing. That's sort of his thing. And this is playing right into it. And one of my favorite aspects of his performance in here, in seeing where he's at in his like kind of psychology. Yeah. Because now that you know that the Battle of Troy fucks him up to the point where I guess we're kind of getting into spoiler territory right here, he's had a huge entire shift in the way that he sees the world. He still has some war arrogance to him. When we go here, what we'll go here and the food will be there. We'll find it. Well, what is find it. Absolutely, absolutely. And he uses Zeus's law as like reason to do things, even though he no longer believes in it. Basically, he betrayed it. Yeah, he betrayed what he's saying with the Trojan horse. Like we betrayed Zeus's law and and and then as he starts to lose more and more and he realizes that he's, he's failing and and the way that that takes a toll on him, his voice, his body, everything about him is so different. I mean, you're talking seven years of of being lost, you know, not remembering anything. You know, who comes back for that. So you're right. You're right. You've convinced me. Just wait a little while, that's all. You'll it's maybe you'll come around, you know, by the time the Oscars are up. Maybe not, but I just went. I'm gonna come around some motion. All right. You've convinced me basically already. You're just not letting me say it. You're letting me. I did stand my horse. And now I'm turning around. Your horse stands my horse. For his wild card I had, which we already kind of alluded to all the one scene cameos. Like if you go on his Wikipedia even says like, cameo, cameo, cameo. I don't even want to say like all of them, because it kind of spoils it. But even confessions of a Dangerous Mind, which is one shot at it, silent to something like no sun move, which is kind of a a glorified cameo because he has a few really good scenes. But yeah, on the Soderbergh pod, we talked about like how we just, you know, shade part two, Unsane. Like, he's just here, you're like, hey, Damon. Hey, Dave. I love to see you, I love him. I mean, Jane, silent Bob strike back, taking the piss out of himself. Hysterical. So great. It's so great. Rest of the cast. Tom Holland as. Oh, and forgive me for the damn. I mean, come on, these Greek names. I'm not. I'm no fucking scholar as Temecula. He's the. He's the son. Thank you. The son of Odysseus there. And then Anne Hathaway is Penelope. These are, you know, that's the wife and she's, you know, left behind. And Tom Holland's with her, and Tom's like, yo, is my dad still alive? Like, what the hell's going on? We need a king up in here. Oh, it's great. I there's no one in the cast I didn't like. I mean, I liked everyone, honestly. They they all are absolutely doing their best work, I think. Yeah, I was floored, especially the second time with Anne Hathaway. Oh, my God, those scenes with him with Tom Holland. Just the. Oh my God, it's so good I want. Oh yes. She's crazy. I just, I just I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it right now. Every scene that she's in, she is just so absolutely grounded in who she is and what's upsetting her. And I know that sounds very silly, but like, she carries the weight of this world on her. Really blown away by her. I thought she was amazing. Another performer getting a lot of attention. Rightfully so as John Leguizamo as I don't know. However you say that and Emanuel's and he is Eumaeus. He's kind of like a blind servant who's around, you know, the quarters as well. He is fantastic. And then the mentor, the guy that goes with Tom Holland with us on his journey was Ryan Hurst. I didn't know if you could see like if you recognized it was him. That's, you know Bertier from remember the Titans in the ear guy from Saving Private Ryan somewhere over in Bellmore or some Dan place. But yes, he clearly got a huge glow up from Sons of Anarchy, which I have never seen, but man, he just looks totally different. So while those people are largely at home and you know Odysseus is out on his odyssey, there's some home suitors, some like wannabe badasses who want to marry Penelope to become, you know, they're like, we need a king. What's going on? Kind of led by Robert Pattinson is. And Antonius, I don't know how to say these damn names. Who was, like, a really good weasel. He was he. He was good that he's a slide me little fucker. Right up until the end, I loved him, I loved him. I've seen two movies from him this year and so. And he's got like fucking three more coming out. This, this and the drama are my two favorite performances I've ever seen from him. Yeah, Corey Hawkins is another suitor. I just I know him like he was introduced to me as Doctor Dre and straight out of Compton, so I usually see that, but he's great as well. Mia goth is also in their kind of like, you know, weasel around behind the scenes. Then we have some warriors. I'm believe me, I know I'm doing like 50% of the cast, maybe the stacked, but I'm just kind of going fast. Elliot Page is singing. I really liked his role a lot and kind of, you know, Sinan. Thank you. Yes, I added an extra I, I think Sinan, that's a name that becomes very important and love that arc, love the arc of that character and just everything that was revealed through the structure of the film. Hamish Patel, as, you know, kind of his right hand man. I really like that. He's intended. He's so dry and so funny. And tenet, I love him. So great to see him. This dude, of all the supporting characters that we're talking about, is the one that I think steals it. He was. Yeah, he he was kind of like the voice of reason for a while on the actual ship until you know that, until not everyone. Yeah, it the movie goes through all the motions. And again, it's all anchored in Damon. And like you said, the the evolution of him, like after the sirens, how he's so like down and out or after the trip to Hades when he knows what's going to happen. Coming up. I missed that the first time I missed it. He is literally told you were going to encounter this and this. If you take that, you're you all die that other way. I only six of you, I mean I yeah, it's so the weight that he has to carry with all that. Oh yo yo van a depot. He's our guy from Babylon. He was on the boat there. Love that guy. Andrew. Howard. I love this dude. The bald guy. You know, he's also intended I love him. He was great. All the dudes on the boat were great. All the leaders here it is. Fucking Jon Bernthal. As you already said it earlier. Molina's Menelaus. Menelaus. Yes, I either miss or add a syllable. Who has the story of Odysseus, Some say he's rich, some say he's poor. God, what a scene. What a fucking moment to with, like, have you heard this song of Troy? Yeah. How about from the inside? Boom! You just fucking cut. I was like, Holy shit. Here we go. I mean, he's great. That's. He's the brother of Agamemnon. Agamemnon, when you need Jon Bernthal for something, you're going to get Jon Bernthal. So fucking show up and like, I fucking love this dude because he only knows one speed and it's just full fucking on fucking know that. That's why I loved him. In The Accountant two. He is like at 12 the entire time. He is out of his mind. But no, I mean a little. Yeah, a little more strained here, but still like fucking great. I mean just oh yeah. No, whatever restrained is for everyone else. Jon Bernthal is just sort of like, I'll show you what fucking restraint is. And then it's just like, the chains are off and you're just getting this very masculine energy attitude, and it's awesome. I'm just saying, I love it. Helen of Troy is played by the great Lupita Nyong'o. And kind of a small part because, yeah, this isn't her story. That's more of the Iliad, but she she is playing a dual role, I'll say, and wow, making really good use of both of her characters, maybe brief, but shocked the shit out of me. Well, and it's also great because it also kind of spins so much on its head about whatever thing has lost already. That's why her end moment, where she's like, I apologize to your mother for me about everything that's been done in my name. My name? Yep, yep. I mean that like when you when you kind of look at the totality. Because you're right, this is not her story. But when you look at the totality of that sentence alone, the reasoning for everything is it is it not? There's just there's it opens up a great Christopher Nolan question for the whole entire scope of the movie. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And then we said kind of rounding out the leaders. Benny's as Agamemnon again, pretty just not focusing on him, never even showing us a clear view of his face. I love that we have some journey people he meets along the way. Charlize Theron as Calypso I had no idea she was in it. I thought she was really good. We had Bill Bill Irwin adopting the books of Cyclops who were going to talk to love Bill Irwin. That's the voice of Tars. They're from interstellar. We have. Oh, I think we are guaranteed three acting nominations. I think Damon's going to get in there. I think they're going to nominate John. Old linguist. I think he's earned it. I think I don't know if he's going to get the push that Robert Downey Jr did. And I don't know, Emily Blunt didn't really get much of a push from Oppenheimer. But I'm very confident that Samantha Morton playing Cersei will be in there. And if anyone wants a preview of Christopher Nolan doing horror, wow, it is her scene. We'll get to like the set pieces coming up, but she is fantastic in the 10 to 15 minutes she has. Fuck. It's truly amazing, truly amazing stuff. Back to those practical effects. Reminded me watching An American Werewolf in London from 1981, where you see a guy transform into a werewolf like before with very or very little or no CGI are amazing. And then down there in Hades, I just know the voice. His face was covered up, that's all. James Reimer in the dirt. God, I love it. I was gonna fucking love Riemann, I love it. Yeah, I've taken Kyoto off the list. My wife and I, honey boo there. It's a beautiful country, he says as he decides which two Japanese cities to Bom Jesus Christ, man. And then rounding out the cast, I had the lovely Zendaya, kind of as a, you know, a little bit I yes, the visualization of her. But I love, love, love how they brought back like her literal face and what her face represents to Odysseus and how that's, you know, followed him around since the fall of Troy. I like that a lot. Yeah. She's great. So, I mean, that's the bulk of our cast, but we just get to these set pieces. I don't even I just have the big ones kind of listed, and we we don't have to go through them kind of in depth because, you know, here we are. But it starts with, yeah, we're at home. It's the intro. We get suitors, we get songs which I, you know, was funnily mocking in the beginning. Do do do. That's Travis Scott saying the first words in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey and I thought, loved. It just started us out. And I'm like, all right, here we go. Another these new the modern Nolan movies I mean tenet Oppenheimer this you cook in those first five ten minutes. Jump in here, here, here. And then they'll kind of like settle down a little bit. It's like speed, speed, speed, speed, speed. And you settle down and breathe a little bit until our first scene. He's he's been doing this forever. I mean, outside of like, you get the opening Dark Knight, you know, with the Joker scene in the bank. But right after that, if that scene didn't happen, he just starts the movie. It's just exposition. Exactly. Exposition. And he does it so quick, and I feel like his whole entire kind of idea of doing this is, let's just get it all done. Now. Just go, let's go. Like, we'll make these scenes as interesting as we can, but let's get in, get out. Because we don't want to live in exposition land. It's a very, very efficient stumbling way to get through it. But he's made it his style. He's like, that's the first thing I noticed. Like when we get this opening right here, outside of the first, like, Elliot Page sequence, but like once we're in there and we're listening to basically Tom Holland talk and all this, I go, it's doing that fucking Nolan thing where it's just like page turn, page, turn, page turn, give us what we need to get, and then we'll kind of land in a particular scene where now we can actually get the weight of what we have heard up until this point. And then then now we can breathe. And even Nolan still will still, like, breeze fucking through shit. But yeah, yeah, yeah. We meet. We're like, you know, meeting people and, you know, years ago, stuff like that. Really early on, his great when Damon is revealed, it's just like a great, nice, subtle reveal of him. And then he incurs an injury there that is becomes very important later. I missed that the first time. I missed how toward the end I was like, how did she did she just recognize that cutter something? But she's the one who tended to it all those years ago, and the smile that he gives her. So just it was so warm and beautiful because he's shaking his head to be like, don't, don't say anything. But like mentor the Ryan Hurst, they have it a little too in that church. Like he's kind of the first one who notices. And then just his eyes is oh yeah, it's great. But so yeah, we're like at home, things are cool. And then, yeah. Tom Holland sets off on his journey to find dad. His first stop is at Jon Bernthal. And that's when we get really the first, like, proper set piece of the movie. I mean, yeah, we set sail. That was beautiful, but it's that fucking Trojan horse. Oh my God. And I saw an extended preview of this for before avatar three. They showed like a six minute preview and I went, you know what, I don't care, I'm just going to watch it. See? And even though I had seen that, it still lived up to it and just, just the setup of have you heard about it from someone on the inside and you just don't think about that, like they men drown in there because they had to wait on the fucking beach. Like, what if they never got picked up? I mean, honestly, one of my favorite details about this is when they escaped, they were all having trouble walking. Like, which you would because you've been trapped in a wooden horse for days and you could feel them like getting their feedback and getting their legs. This is I mean, you know, you're in good hands pretty quickly, but this Trojan horse, just all of it was so well done. Oh, my God, I got a good story for you. David talks about to John. It's about Jon Bernthal, but it's about this sequence. And so they said because they fucking shot that fucking shit with water in there. And they were told that it was going to be warm water. It was not warm water, it was cold water that Damon in this particular day was not in the water. Jon Bernthal was Matt Damon's like, have you ever done a cold plunge? And everyone's very well aware, but you know, you've got this actor that's basically freezing. You know, he's he's in the cold plunge and he's shaking. He's shaking, but he's not complaining. And Damon said that this was on that he was grateful for this because this set the tone. Whoever's a part of this movie, one day it's going to be your day to eat shit, and you're going to have to prove to be. You have to lead us like how I have to lead to. And no one ever complained. But he said he gave a lot of credit to Bernthal for that. Good. Yeah. I mean, eat the shit and just know that you're down there in the cold, in the muck, in the dirt, like, I mean, you're hoping, yeah, give a good performance, but you're also making cinema history. People are going to be watching, studying this. They're going to watch this movie in school to study Greek mythology. Like this is going to be around forever. And that scene, I mean, Bernthal face because he's like the only one with the shaved head and just the wide eyes. And man, when they stick that sword down there, you see, the other guy grabbed the tip of the blade so it doesn't draw up blood. Just perfect. But yeah, frankly, I never really thought about, oh yeah, they would have drowned in there. I mean, you're all in there on top of each other. You gotta pee. You gotta. Yep. Go to the bathroom. What's happening to that stuff? It's just there. Like setting it up. Did only one man, like, we're on that beach for ten years, and one man figured out how to get us all. Oh, my God, it's it's a brilliant way to set up like, an action packed. I just can't believe I'm fucking good. This movie is, And then the first thing, kind of with Odysseus and his crew alone. Because, yeah, they leave Troy and they're like, all right, we gotta. We gotta go home and we're going to take this route and Athena will lead the way. We'll stop at the different different islands and trade, or we'll get food, because that's Zeus's law. Basically, you welcome the strangers and you welcome them in like they're they're yours and they stop it. One island. I think I have everything in the right order. I don't know, but my God, I mean, I didn't know this was part of the movie. I didn't know this movie was going to feature like some giant fucking cyclops beast. So when it walked into the cave and they're following in the sheep and he just pushes him in, I, I was like, all of them. I leaned back and went, Holy shit. And then he had to find out that this cyclops is again augmented with CGI, but it's practical. They had a giant puppet that they are stringing along. I mean, what an amazing sequence all of these are. It just really is. And there's something also that I loved about the Cyclops is that it would be so easy to just make that a vicious, gross, disgusting monster. But there was almost like this, like like the posture of him and the look on his face, as you call it, that, you felt bad for it. Like, this is just like this old man who's all alone. Probably like on this island. Alone. Maybe he's an exile. You do. You feel like his. His pathos. He's just taking care of sheeps. Wanted to go to bed. He just wanted a nap and. And, you know. Yeah. Like there's people in his, in his way that he's aware of. But, you know, he's like, yeah, don't get in my way. I'll fucking eat you. But you know, like, you know, I'm not here for, you know, would you talk to ants. It's a great line. Like would you talk? Yeah. It's a perfect thing. Would you talk to ants and like. And if you were to go to sleep and there were ants around you, you know, you're like, sort of like, just get out, but, okay, you're here. Fuck it, I'll eat you. And. Yeah, and it doesn't mean any harm like, it really doesn't, but it will kill you because you're an ant and humans step on ants even if they don't even know you're fucking there. Well, you're. Yeah, you're in his space. Like that's his whole you. Yeah, he has a right to whatever, but I do. I felt that too. And that's in the Bill Irwin I think body movements and yeah what he puts on the face and everything. Yeah. But then it just seemed like he got it. It was like, no, I ate two of them. Now I just need to lay down because he's a big dude. You need to call out for naps, apparently. But. And yeah, getting his schedule, like I liked it. Odysseus was like, let's go to sleep. Let's take. We can't do anything until he wakes up. So let's take care of this opportunity and just that whole back and forth and then, yeah, showing how Odysseus is like, big. This is not a perfect hero. That's what I loved about him. Like they are gone. They're out the door. I'm fairly certain that Cyclops is closing it up, putting that rock back up. Or maybe not because he let the sheep out, but I mean, he boom. He has to do the the second arrow to the eye to really piss it off. And he did not have to do that. But yeah, I loved the Cyclops thing. I love that the violence, despite this being rated R, is not like you could go in for a close up and it's blood. It's guts spilled out everywhere. Again, I think most any director would do that because when a guy is getting his head bitten off, where the guts. But instead what we get from Cyclops is the a kind of a really amusing fuck you of just spitting out the armor and, like, spitting out the helmet to Odysseus. Like, yeah, that's what I think of your men. But a great scene. I'm not trying to breeze past any of these, but it's just one banger set piece after the next. It just is. And there's there's humor in there. There's I mean, it's just it really just does have kind of everything. And oh, the one thing that was the wailing of the Cyclops, the sound of that. Oh, yeah, the sound of him. And then, I mean, it was so loud too. And then, yeah, the moans of like, was he talking about Poseidon? And he learned that was Poseidon. Son, you're oh my God. Yeah, yeah. The whales were so good. And they. That's when you kind of feel bad for that. He's just like sitting up in the corner, like, why are these guys? Why am I getting fucked with? He just took basically just took the equivalent of taking a match to the eye. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He's like, what the hell's going on here? Yeah, they go to the second island. And it was really the second time, my second viewing, that I realized that is a kid. But when it turns around and stands, it is as tall as them. So I understand when they were like, if that's a kid, where, where is it's mom and dad, but that means wait, so this is a child and it's like six feet tall, and then boom, here come the I don't even know what the hell you call these things. These just I looked it up on Wikipedia that they are there, man, eating like these savages. But they're in the movie portrayed is like these armor titans who are fucking beasts. Yeah, I think, I think because because in this story there, there are cannibals. Yeah. And and I think because you've got like, so much already going with the, the Cyclops eating people. Right. The pigs to a certain degree, like you've just kind of got too much of the same thing a little bit. So but the stabbing was I mean, they trapped them in like that, the trees and then were stabbing away. But really when they got to those boats and were destroying those boats like a soft piece of, like a rotted tree that's falling over and you're just messing with the bark. Oh my God. I mean, that's where most of his crew died. Yeah, because they took out the other ship. Yeah, they wipe them out there because there's three ships at that point, right? They're still free now. Now there is one because of these fucking savages. But again, you're on their land. Yeah, exactly. We don't have anything to barter with. And then. Yeah, that's how it gets. Like they're going from place to place and kind of bouncing from island to island, and they can't even leave the, the cannibal island because he's like, we we don't have any food. We have to stop at this new place. Look, there's a place up on the hill. They just go up. Yeah, exactly. And again, another reason why I love this movie there. Because there, you know, maybe there's like a light mutiny going on, but the guys are like, nah, man, you need to stay here. We're more comfortable with you staying with the boats. So as all the guys are walking up to this house on the hill, it's like, Holy shit. There's a fucking lion. Like, that's a lion. And I looked at them and I went, that is a real lion. I can tell that is not a fake lion. Any other movie we've seen this countless, so, so many movies that Black Panther, that line and that Tiger are going to be CGI because of. It's just easier. No animal wranglers, whatever. But that was there and you felt the fear on the actors. And this is where we get the Cersei scene, which this is also one of my favorite Matt Damon moments in the whole entire movie. That's what I mean. Like, he's different in all of these different set pieces because you're like, you don't get fooled. Don't get fooled. Oh, listen, you're right. Okay? You're right. I take back everything. It's about my magic drinking. But the the moment that I. Because I've been thinking about it ever since you've said it and and I can't, I can't, I can't hear everything that you're right about. Oh take that when he's, when, when he, when he walks up to those guys at after they basically say like you stay here. He has this expression in about his voice where there's like a bit of an acceptance, because if they are, he will accept it. And a little bit of like, are you kidding me? All at the same time is like, is this Muni mutiny? Yeah, it's a very specific line delivery. Not very specific. No, no. And he then says, and this is how good of a leader he goes, I'm going to stay, Im going to have dinner for you regardless of what you go and find. Yep. So and that's, that's how good he is. Yeah. He's the best hunter of them for sure. And yeah when he's off hunting great scene you know shoots another wild deer and like oh great. We're gonna, you know, eat tonight. And then he sees it. That deer is a man. So what's going on with his man up in Cersei's house? Maybe we can I, you know, we can go to it as much as we want. I didn't know where it was going to go, and it was just the practicality of it and doing. I know what he's doing. You have that one actor rigged up, so, like, their jaw moves. Funny. Then you have the other actor rigged up so their jaw can extend and the other one so their nose moves funny. And you just edit all of that together. You put it all together. So it's not one thing. And it is. I mean, it's fantastic what she does to these, to these men. I didn't even know. Again, not being familiar with the story. I just didn't know this was a thing. And yeah. And yes, the way that he plays it with her is so good to where you're like, is this is he already under some sort of spell or guys and that fucking meet all those guys shoveling that meat into there. It was a great seed. And the best part is, is like, and I track this the second time I saw it because I remember I was so emotionally affected because it's before you start to even understand what's happening at all. Yeah, yeah. There's one, one actor. It's like really going for it. Oh I think that's I think that's my guy, Andrew Howard, the bald guy. He's like, whoa. Like he's eating because they haven't eaten. And I was and I almost thought I'm like, wow, what a weird take to kind of like keep in there. Like because I was like, clearly that's not like because I also know from the story, like, you know, her thing is a potion. It's not food. And so because I didn't think they were actually gonna go pigs with it, I thought they were going to be something else. And so but then, then of course, like right after that, you start to notice that all the men are eating quite strangely, and then it gets as primal as it gets and you're like, something is very wrong. And then she starts doing what she's doing. And it is go back to your I love that, go back to your costumes. Go back like which. Yeah, your guys's go back. But just the way he plays it. Grabbing the bird. I love all of that. What it all represents. It was. Yeah. It's another just great sequence. And she does have, you know, a message for him, which is, you know, you're going into now you got to go into hell. But yeah, I'm like, holy shit. They they're going to go to hell of this story. And again, practical, they shot in Iceland and like some Midnight Sun thing and it looks amazing. And this. Yeah. What a great sequence on Hades here. Some folks called it hell, I called it Hades. It's a sling blade reference right there. And yeah, we're just on hell meeting everyone. And this is where he learns along with us that Agamemnon didn't make it back before then, but he is dead because he's talking. You here on Helen? We find out how he died. Oh, and just the. Oh, yeah. What he had to do. Because there's a lot of thing of, like, sacrifice, obviously during the time. That's a big thing. So, you know, you sacrifice, you make a huge sacrifice. Agamemnon did before his journey for favorable winds. But that even that's. And then you go out and you fucking fight in your in prison and you're gone like ten years. And then how does this great massive hero hat suffer his fate? I love it, this is I love the Greek mythology of this. It's like, oh yeah, you're all bathed. You, right? When you're most comfortable is when you get up. Yeah. Oh, God, I love it. His line. She made me soft. Yeah. Oh, yeah, she did, and she did, buddy. Great. Yeah. Great little moment from Lupita as well. Just in the, you know, in the bed there. I don't remember exactly what's next if it's the world Pulver sea monster or the sirens. I couldn't remember which one. Well, it's the sirens that comes first. And I mean, yeah, I mean, the sirens is again, I, I knew about that from O brother, where art thou? It has a slightly different ending, but they hear them singing and, you know, they think that they turn John to Toro into a frog. So I had a concept that and the way the horny toad. So they don't do not seek the treasure. That's a that's a hint, folks, as to who our next director episode is going to be. Directors episode, in fact. But yes, catch up on your code brothers. But yeah, do not seek the treasure, but know the Hades thing is great. We got James Remar there and we get Elliot Page back, to which I. I love that perspective as well. And he's like, no, we were right there like we were on because that's I mean, that's fucked up. Like, that soldier is kind of a sacrificial lamb of standing next to the Trojan horse and then presenting it as a gift, without knowing that all of his fellow men are right on the other side of that. Would you know, when you talk about exposition, this is a brilliant scene because we're already like two hours basically into this movie. We now are actually hearing everything that has really happened and everything that Matt Damon needs to know. So we're kind of getting it all right here. And it couldn't have been done in a cooler way. We're learning a lot of information here in hell. And and this is what sets Matt Damon off on what like like for him again, you look at the arc of what he's doing scene by scene. And you're fucking right. I'm taking it all back. This is his best fucking performance. Yeah. And it's even in his face as the ship is setting sail behind. Because, like, I love it when, when when all the like the the the ruckus starts after he's told the information and Damon, he goes, what is that? He goes, all of your unburied men. And then we get you. Yeah. And then you see that long like sweeping shot of once they're on the ship backing away, it's just Damon's face lit up by that orange glow, and he looks at all the dead men. And so it's like the weight of what he's done and the weight of what's coming all on him, though. This is an. Oh, this is my fucking favorite goddamn fucking thing again. You're right about Damon. Thank you. Yeah. So they're about they're about to go into the sirens. And so the the the lure of the sirens is, is that is that once you hear their song, you're you have no choice. You you you are so compelled to go there that the idea is that you just crash your ship into. You don't even see the you don't even get to the sirens. You die before then. They just lure you in. But if you do get to them, they're gonna. Yeah, fuck you over eventually. But yeah, their their song is so sweet. It's the sweetest thing you've ever heard that they're like, you have to block your fucking ears with wax as you go by. And so if you really pay attention to Damon as they're approaching, because they literally get there and they're like, the sirens are up ahead. And so Damon sort of like, all right, everyone, get your website. So he's so excited and everyone's like, he's like, gun for me. And he's like, what do you mean? He goes and he goes, no, you guys all wear it. I want to hear the song. And they're like, but no one is surviving. That's why you like, that's why you're going to tie me to this thing. And I don't care how much I'm screaming or whatnot. You don't release me. And he goes, because. But he's like, no one's ever no one's ever lived. And he goes, I know I'm going to be the first. Yeah, want to be great, that I'll be the first. And he's so, like, amped up and his ego. Yes, exactly. This is why he's not this, like, amazing, flawless hero. It's this ego of. Yeah. All the men get waxed. They're one. Can't take it. I love that the one can't take it and bails out. Right. But we get that. You know the Hamish that actor we are in like his sound. So when he puts the wax in, we the sound goes out. So we are watching Damon Odysseus hear this stuff and watching him transform from perhaps the most magical thing he's heard to the worst thing he's heard. And it I mean, he just lets out this horrific cry and he can't do anything because he's bound to this post with rope as he requested. Yeah, and it's brilliant. But again, we don't. It's like a McConaughey crying in interstellar. Like you don't necessarily have to hear it and you just see this wailing and then he is not the same after this. So yeah, he's getting like all the men you left behind that, you know, it's war men die, but it's your job to bury them properly. If not now, they're in Hades and they're going to fucking chase after you. So you have the weight that he has, you know, going away from that, like you said. And then now this like he changes after this. His voice is literally gone because he's cried himself out and now he's like kind of forlorn and just sitting on the deck and like, oh fuck, now I got this whirlpool. Like, we got to go around and he's like, no, you can take it. Like, don't be afraid. It's fine. It's fine when he knows because he's also that is weighing on him because James Remar has again, I missed that the first time, but he is laid out exactly what is about what is going to happen for like the next ten minutes in the movie. Can't wait to watch this movie with subtitles. Fuck. Oh yeah, actually I agree, really can't. I might find a specific theater because they do, you know, showtimes with on screen and I love that. But then yeah, we get this next set piece of this thing where they're, you know, of against a huge whirlpool, which and now I understand that is actually a creature like, I think there's a creature under it that will kill them. So it's either dodge the whirlpool and go through that canal or take on the world, pull in. Only one person knows what happens if you go through the canal, because Odysseus has been told, but we don't know yet. And that shit scared the shit out of me. I had no idea what was coming. None. Oh my God. So this is another set piece like the whirlpool or the sea monster, Christ. And and and and then I love the line where this is my favorite moment from Hamish. When when he basically is, he's like, you knew? And he goes, yeah, that's right, I knew. And he and he and he's like, you had no right. He goes, I had every right and the responsibility. Yeah. And and he yeah. He doesn't have his voice and and and he and he basically just tells him all the truth. He's sort of like. Yep. And you want to know what happens next? I'm going to tell you we can't go here and you're all going to fight me. And then I'm going to tell you, all right, if you touch the Apollo's cattle, you're all going to fucking die. I won't, you will. Yep. And and they don't listen. No, they can't take it. They can take it. And then I love it when he fucking catches him on that fucking like again. Like the beautiful bluish night with that orange hue. He just sees them all and they guiltily look up at him and and all, Damon says. He's like, he goes, I didn't want this. I'm not the problem. I wanted you to live and then just walks away. Did you think if you ate quietly and quietly enough, Zeus wouldn't hear you or the God? Yeah. We thought you wouldn't hear us. I'm not the problem. And then he just says, I wanted you to live. And about face turns and walks out because he knows there. Yep. There toast like they broke the rule. So he is still in his way, trying to defy what this fate is. Yeah. He says that. Yeah. He's like then he says that in Haiti. Like, then I'll defy the gods. If they think all my men are destined to die, then I'm going to defy them. Look how that works. And then he and. Well. And then because he realized there's only like he can't fight like his men are. His men are making these decisions. Yep. And he's giving him all the reason not to. And they still are. And so. Yes. So then finally they get out of there because they there face a huge giant storm. No better way. I thought cinematically to to to explain how everyone dies. And when the ship gets separated and he's just by himself and all the rest of his crew gets a look at him and be like, fuck, he was right again. Practical. Yeah, they split that fucking ship and it just yet and they apart because the Poseidon is pissed. So yeah, they're getting the the the the wave and the winds of the gods, the reigns of the gods. And then we end up finally. But this has been going on for the whole entire movie. But we are on Calypso Island, where we learned that basically for a very long time he has been there, lost in his memory, but well taken care of. Yeah, by a woman who loves him. And I love the way Charlize Theron played this, because I don't think she was trying to trick him at all. I don't either. James Reimer says you're not ready to go home. And he says, the sirens told me that I'm not ready. And, you know, perhaps he wasn't. Perhaps he was not ready. And he needed to what? So, no, I don't think she's, like, manipulating him. I really think she when she realizes, okay, he is now ready to remember. That's when the questions come. Remember? Right. Tell me. Stop eating the lotus. She's helping. Remember exactly. Exactly that. That was my read as well. Real. Like he comes to full realization of what's been going on, and he's like, I'm ready to go home now. And she looks and she goes, as I knew you always would be, and I. And that's one thing too, is that I love that there's this idea in him that he doesn't actually want to go home. Right? Yeah. There are two kind of final set pieces here. One is in extended flashback where they've essentially broken up the fall of Troy because we saw it earlier, with Bernthal explaining the Trojan horse, and now we go and get a proper showing of like, that absolute fucking panicked chaos, which just seems horrible and does impact him. And I love the way that India's. Like I said, her face is used in this and what that means to him and I love. Yeah, there's a final set piece that you just gotta you really got to go to the movie and witness to believe, because often in movies like this, there's some sort of like kind of, you know, thrilling conclusion. I was I was not even ready for this. All the mechanics of it, the theatrical, the theatricality of it, like setting, you know, setting the stage. Put the weapons in this room, put here, this person's here, the blocking, the setup. It is all perfect. And for a movie of huge, huge scope where we've gotten these massive set pieces in caves, in oceans, now we are in a, I don't know, we are in a room, a big room, but we are in a room pretty much for the duration. And it is going to it's going to wow any person who sees it. How could it not? This is a fantastic it's it's oh my god it's I'm speechless. Was speechless watching it both times. The amount of cheers that were going on in the same here. 70 millimeter multiple times. Oh yes. Especially when one person you know the first yes, one person gets it and then in the neck. And it was just going crazy because you're like, here it is. And this is you know, they've been kind of stretching out like, okay, he's what plan is it going to be. You know, are you going to bring down vengeance. Bring it all in your heart. What are we building up to? Like? What are we building up to? It won't let you down. I'm going to watch this so many times. God, this 4k, Jesus Christ, I'm going to break it. I'm going to watch it so much and you know, and it's and it's and it's interesting because I didn't clock it the first time, but at the second viewing, at no point before this do we see Odysseus as a great warrior. It's true. Yeah. It's true Trojan thing. And then like, he's he's doing some cool shit, you know, but but mostly that whole entire idea of that is that's when his recognition of. Right, like that monologue he has with that was one of my favorite moments that I tracked was like, he's actually fighting horribly and he almost dies to some random. And then that his friend the guy saves him. Yep. And and he's still sort of kind of just struck laying there. So we don't really know this great warrior until until we do, I mean, and what a cinematic way. And of course, it sort of sets it up. But I'll tell you what, man, in the theater that I had that fucking arm bent, that fucking bow, and then he fucking plucked it. My theater erupted. They it was Christ like, again, this is that thing that only movies can do. You cannot get that type of, like, emotion in any other way. I'm getting chills thinking about it right now and then and then. Yeah. And then it's just it's just the score from that moment on. It's fucking insane. It's it's just I was like, witness it peak. When is the crescendo. No it doesn't. It is so hard to go so hard. And I mean we've already put a lot of spoilers in, so I'm not going to say it, but we'll just give you that one of the most satisfying end kills with like again, you're right Matt. Matt Damon's final fucking like charge. And then like thing that he says it's fucking oh my god man. Yeah you're right. It is his best performance he's ever given. Fuck yeah. Yes it is I love it. Didn't even take till tomorrow. There it is. There it is. No. Because we've gone through it now and I've just piecemeal then I've had it going in my head. But now just saying it out loud and just realizing every single scene that he's in, something has changed. And he's playing it to with that exact place that it needs to be. Like, it's so thorough. Yes. And specific that. Exactly. That's what I was saying and kind of my reasoning for it. But yeah, he is tasked with translating 20 years of a life lived in. Basically what comes off is just minutes. He is as specific as you can get in each one of those time frames. Yeah, there's a vulnerability there when it needs to be. There's an appropriate amount of aggression. Yeah. It's I go, yeah you go yeah I think arrogance. I think it's a really I think it's the towering achievement of his career and I you're right, I am very hopeful of, you know, Oscar chances and everything. But he's also just like the press loves him right now. He's doing a really good, really good job. I think he's going to ride this out. We'll see. But I want to hit on you know, we did talk about Ludwig Goranson, the the guy who did the music for at The Score. But we can't you know, this is his Nolans hit crew. Now we got Hoyte van Hoyt doing cinematography. Amazing. I mean, he wanted he won an Oscar for Oppenheimer. We got Jennifer Lame doing the editing. She won an Oscar for Oppenheimer. Like, we have Andrew Jackson doing the visual effects, not relying on computer imagery. He won an Oscar for tenet. He's got his people. But then also, we usually don't talk about a lot of times we don't make room for costumes, production design, hair and makeup all insane and just off the wall. Good, like, I don't. We're too early, but I don't know how it. What the hell else wins these things? What the hell else wins? Costumes? Look at the sheer amount of them. Not CGI like the amount of material you had to wield. And so. And all that shit. It's astounding. Every aspect of the movie. I think we what I'm calling right now is we are going to get 16 nominations. We're going to beat sinners. No, that would tie my friend. No tie. It's going to get it's going to get 17, dude. It's gonna get 17. That would 17 would be you have to have multiple multiple acting nominations for that. And you know we'll see I'm know you got that. You got I could see a world where John Leguizamo and Tom Holland get nominated. They talked about this for Oppenheimer, too, though. They were like Damon and Robert Downey Junior will get nominated, Florence Pugh and Emily Blunt. But that, you know, it doesn't necessarily happen. You're going to get Samantha Morton up there. They're all going to be there, and then you're going to get every single category cinematography, editing, adapted screenplay, score, visual costumes, production, ensemble cast. Right now, get that? It's just 17 babies. We're talking nominations here. Yeah, I will be we'll talk way more about the Oscars as the year goes on. I need to do some research. How many directors? Two movies in a row. How did they win? Picture and director? I don't know, off the top of my head, I really don't. It would be an astounding achievement and I don't really see that for its future. I don't think the Academy is going to do that. I don't think they're going to go hard and go, yep, two in a row. We're going to give him director two in a row, I don't know. I mean, I do not know. I have no idea. Maybe I'm completely wrong in there. And it's like, fuck it. He did it again. Thank you. Listen, I am admitting that I was wrong, that this is Matt Damon's towering best performance he's ever given. I'm admitting that right now. And I'm just telling you right now you're wrong. You think it's going to win. Picture and director. I think it's going to. I think it's going to sweep damn near almost everything. God damn. Oh, boy. It'll I'll put it this way. It's going to be a very tough year for because there's always a number two. There's always the number two movie and whatever is always a number. No, but I'm saying if that number two becomes number one, it's going to be it's going to be a tough row to hoe for that flick, whatever it may be. I'm just saying from me, this is a towering achievement in film making. You cannot hold a candle to the way that this movie was made and the quality that it was made in. That's why, like, you could have the best fucking indie fucking movie that comes out here that's going to do all the good shit that it's going to do. But like, even like one better left or another is as much praise as we give that this is filmmaking on a whole other level. Absolutely, absolutely. This is the craft. This is the craft. Like right here, right here. And this is the height that it can get to when you are given, you know, when you talk about Imax and being shot in this way, no other movies has ever done this. You're talking about the scope and ambition and just the sheer moviemaking that it was with very little CGI. Like like you don't you don't beat this. You can't. This is I cannot think of another movie that's done. I'm not even going back to like, Ben-Hur, Ten Commandments, but like Jurassic Park fucking, you know, like all of these movies, like, nothing touches what how what Christopher Nolan fucking made here. Yeah, I agree with him and all of his crew. So that's why this is this has to if you if the Academy recognizes film in any sort of way, you can't look at the Odyssey looking at whatever else comes here and then acting. Acting is the one thing where you could be like, yeah, it might not win certain things because you might have to give it up. But if we're talking directing, we're talking picture. It has to go to this. It has two dogs. It's bark for me. Yeah. Bark for me. Academy voters. We're gonna we're gonna see it's. We got a ways to go. I mean, this is not. This will not be decided until March. We got months and months and months before even nominations. But, you know, we'll we'll. Of course we will be here. That. Damn right. Well I'm excited. I'm excited again for the Academy Awards. My final thoughts on the Odyssey. Go fuck and see it. Go see it in the theater. If you have access to name them Imax, Imax, 70mm, 70 millimeter, Prime, Dolby, whatever the hell. Cool. If not, go see it. Anyway, it. Like we have been saying, this is the first feature length motion picture that, you know, like cinema movie, not a documentary filmed entirely with Imax cameras entirely. It's the only time that has ever done that. So that will pay off if you see it in Imax. My first viewing was Imax 70 millimeter. Woke up or drove up on Friday. Old King of Prussia three hours away. Its name of the town. King of Prussia. It's about a half hour outside of Philadelphia. He got a giant fucking mall out there and a movie theater that's just second to none. It's an old regal. It looks exactly like Regal's did when we were kids. Like they didn't do any of the silly. Like, the carpeting is the same. Like, I love it. So I mean, road trip Friday night got a hotel right next to the fucking theater, and we left that hotel at 7:45 a.m. and were seated, and we just loved it. I mean, it was amazing. And he asked how he like it. Loved it, absolutely loved it. Everyone who's seen it that I know really likes it. My stepbrothers, ten years younger, he loved it. My dad. Yeah, dad loved it. Wife loved it. It's just it's doing really well. I think it's a I don't know, I think it's just a really hard movie to be like. That was a piece of shit. Like. The fuck are you taught how? Yeah. I mean, you have everything you want, like in a movie, I. Yeah. So just please go see it. Go, go see it. I it will be worth your time. And it's not slow or dull at all. Support your local theater. And that's right. Support your local theater. Go see it in any format that you can. And yeah, just get out there and go do it. I already said, you know, we kind of talked about Oscars, but this is already it was his biggest opener ever. So I think box office is going to do well. I think they're going to keep it in theaters for a long time. So please go check it out. It's a lot. Here we go. He's fucking start already now. Well, you you have been saying Damon is a lock forever, and now you're like, yeah, the acting. I don't know, it could go either way now. Well, I well, I'm just I'm just scared now because I've been seeing I've been seeing I've been seeing more of Tom cruise in the trailers for digger. Yeah. And I'm not going to be mad at that because I would love Tom cruise to win an Oscar, but it will likely be them head to head depending on if. Yeah, depending. And that's the thing. Is it sort of like we're talking two vastly different performances. Everything that you've been saying, that's completely switched my entire way of thinking. The only reason I didn't want to put the Odysseus in this category, because I thought it was too soon, I feel. But then you started. But that was the only reason I did not put it in there. And it wouldn't have even been number five. It would have been number one. But I was like, I can't do that. I've only seen this movie two times, and I cannot say that this is Matt Damon's best performance, because I feel like that's a little too soon. But then you came in, I'll fucking hot and bothered. And then he started listing all the reasons why it is. And then we went through it scene by scene, and I realized it fucking is. Just gotta listen to me. I your odyssey is to my brain. I steer you in the right way. But no, this is going to be a lot of fun. I didn't go back and check our work from. We did this in 2023. It was episode 101. We ranked Christopher Nolan and I have loose memory of the way I rank things, but there are a few differences and we're going to go 13 to 1 with 13 being our again, least favorite is very. I'm using least as a very loose term because my number 13, I give that movie an A minus. I can't remember what our ranking was. I have them up and hidden, so I'll go through them at the end. Okay. All right. Well, I'll go ahead and I'll start because there's just no way that I'm wrong about this one. Fucking 13. Always be 13. I don't like this movie. That's right. I'm going to come out and flat out say I do not. It's not even a matter of you saying this isn't an A minus movie. I don't like The Dark Knight Rises. We're just going there. I this is it's really one of the most baffling things because you always take this stance. This is my 13 as well, by the way. But you've always, since we've met, talked so much shit. We've watched this movie together. A few months ago when I was in LA. You did not have many bad things to say about it. As you're watching. You pointed out the few dumb things that I also think are dumb, but I kept looking at you going, this set piece is an impressive to you. And you're like, no, it is, it is. No, I respect it, I know, listen, okay, let's do you. But if you're. Yeah. If you're saying you don't think like you don't like it, I straight up I do not agree with that assessment because I've watched this movie with you. We watch the whole fucking thing. And yes, we made fun of it at parts where it deserves to be made fun of. It's my number 13. We did, but it's still like, I don't think, I don't know, I've heard you talk mad shit about some movies and this, this ire is there. But when we watched it together, I wasn't seeing all, like, the fucking massive hatred that you spew. No, because it's got, it's got some good set pieces and and there are some there. Yeah. So okay, I respect it. I have never disrespected it, but I'm not. Well you just said you don't like it. Yeah. That's not disrespect but I can respect something and I like it. I feel like they have about Nirvana done it. All right. Yeah. My number 13 is well, Dark Knight Rises. I'm actually going to do my 13 and 12 in a row because I had a little speech before you stormed over it. So yeah, 13 is Dark Knight Rises. I do actually adore the spectacle of it. I love that first scene, the plane seen so much, while noting that whatever the fuck Aidan Jillian, my main man from The Wire, is doing like he's terrible. Like his lie to the really well, I deliveries are terrible. And he's like, you know, and like you said, you're a big guy. I mean, it's funny, I get it. I think there's a lot of silly shit in it. But what is happening is, you know, the music. I don't know, I really no, no, no noting that that's good. Noting that my number 12 is the movie, the Nolan movie I have seen the least in my life. It is the one I go back to the least amount of times. It's not because it's a bad movie, but it is. Batman Begins. I never go back to this one. I don't really have a reason to. I have seen The Dark Knight Rises so many more times than Batman Begins, I don't think. And the reason that I can't put Batman Begins at 13, because there's not too much dumb shit in it. There's some dumb shit. There's quite a bit of dumb shit in The Dark Knight as well. Don't hate me for that. But there's a there's some silly ass comic book shit in all of these movies that are very little conveniences that happen. But yeah, that's so I thought that was interesting. That Batman Begins without question, is the Nolan film I've seen the least. I feel like I like Got it. And I really don't think that movie has a good, strong villain. I always thought that. I don't think they're like that imposing, really. Not like the Joker. I mean, I see what you're saying, and I, I, I, I think, well, I love all the, all these movies. That's the thing. It's like that, that's the thing. And. But you're also not a comic book guy. Not at all. I'm not a comic book guy at all. So that's why these like, if I'm talking about comic book movies, these three to me are like the best that have ever been made because of the practicality, the practical effects, all that stuff. So. Yeah. And and so and it's not like I'm saying here, sitting here being like, oh, I'm Mr. Comic Book. I've, you've seen way more Marvel movies than I have. And but just growing up as a Batman fan and kind of having a little bit more of a knowledge of that, that this was, I think, like the best origin movie that you could ever have. Like this. Yeah, this would be this movie. Put respect back in Batman's name. But I understand what you're saying, and I have no fucking leg to stand on, because my number 12 pick is the movie that everyone in their fucking, like, soon to be kids are going to adore and and bow to like the sun. Interstellar. Yeah, this is another one that has never been a fully for you. And this is this is where I notice our disparity in terms of how we view movies. Probably better. I think interstellar honestly crystallizes it because all the criticisms you have of interstellar, I have those two. I don't need Topher Grace. I don't know what the fuck Casey Affleck is doing. I get it, but my brain does not care. I do not care. I am absolutely willing to forgive all that because I've never seen anything like the docking sequence. So that's what I mean. Like the set pieces in The Dark Knight Rises are enough to, like, get me to forgive the dumb shit. And yeah, I do think interstellar like, I don't think it necessarily needs to be that long. I think the editing does get out of control during that end. And lightning the corn on like it's stupid. I agree it's stupid, but it doesn't. It really doesn't impact my viewing of the movie at all. So. But that's just how we're different, that's all. No. And I've got those outliers to where they're like, we have we can have the exact same conversation about I can't think of one right now, but I know that there's a ton of shit that I love that that you're like, but how can you justify this? And I go, I can't. Yeah, that's true. We all yes we do. We do have those movies. And you're like, no, I like even weapons was one for you. You were like, I hear all your criticisms of it, but it just worked for me. And I go, that's when I put up my hands and I go, hey. Fair enough. Because if a movie works for you, fine. And I'm also in the minority. Hugely. I don't know anyone that doesn't like interstellar. Yeah. You also have a a very, in my opinion, with respect, very odd gatekeeping thing with movies that are in space where you're like, no one's done it right? And I'm like, well, you can't say that. Like there has to be a bar, like someone has to like as Cooper, like someone has to have done it. Correct. Know all the space stuff about interstellar is all great. I got no issue with any of the space stuff. I didn't know that. No. Okay. It's all about. It's the home shit. The home shit. How he gets into this fucking thing. Like like like like. And then once he's fucking there at NASA, they just fucking accept him. And then they're like. And by the way, it's our last hope. You're the like and last hope. Be like, dude, you just fucking got here. Like. Like who? Like all of that. Just it just it's so like it's so it bothers me so much. And then. And. Yeah, the Topher Grace, that's just dumb. But really, what gets to me more than anything else about interstellar is the leap that Jessica Chastain character makes into realizing that that he's behind the wall and he's a ghost. There is nothing. There is nothing that indicates that you can make that leap, that she connects those dots believable. That's just not like, like, and Morse code. But, no, she she doesn't know. No, that that is preposterous. That's just that's just feeding off of what everyone wants to be true. And that happens to be true. And then it gives a big what you're what you're not understanding here is that love, Nick can connect us and that love can bring us together. That's what you don't understand. Because when you have kids, you don't tell them that the world's ending, all right? You got to get home to them and talk to them. So that's what love is all about. I hear everything you're saying. We're going to keep it moving. My number 12 is Batman Begins. With respect. With respect. Your number 11. Oh, this is so hard. Why do I have this here? But then again, I remember us now having this exact conversation now because we're talking about Christopher Nolan movies, and I've just talked disdainfully about the last two. I don't disdain either of these movies. I don't understand any Christopher Nolan movie, but sometimes I just get a little bit of attitude for no reason. Now I have to have the reverse because I. I don't know how, but Dunkirk is my number 11 and I fucking love that movie. Dunkirk is great. Yeah, I'm going to talk a little bit, but all of these have to have a fucking place, I guess, We all of this is gold. Like, how do you place this one gold bar above the other one? It's all personal taste and it's all pulling hairs. And we just do this because it's a movie podcast and we think it's fun. That's the only reason. So yeah. Dunkirk. That's fine. That's fine. Well, and we're the best. Well yeah. Right. We're the best. Thank you. Odysseus, you did not like this three years ago. And you're not going to like it now. And I'm fine with it. That's fine. You don't bully me. My number 11 is following a movie I love. Wow. Following. Yeah, I love following. Wow. Number 11. Yeah, he would I he would even say if Nolan was ranking his own movies, he would put that at 13 because it's the first one. It's like, you know, you're testing out all the stuff and certainly the spectacle of following, of which there is very little is not greater than The Dark Knight Rises or Batman Begins. But yeah, it's a really good start. It's a good it's a very good, like 7 million, 7 million cheeses,$7,000 first feature that is incredibly innovative. Number ten. All right, number ten. Ha! But yeah, I need to see it more because you're you. I know how much you love it. And I want to get to your level with it, but I love it a lot. I got tenet at number ten. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. This would have been if we did this, if we recorded this podcast and October 20th, 2010, it would have been my number 100 because I fucking hated it so much. I'm going to talk about that a little bit later. But yeah, I mean, I think you've only seen it once if I, if memory twice or maybe twice. Okay. Yeah, I'm up to like 15 and I do it a few times a year because I am an absolute lunatic. So that is not my number ten. Yeah, I did, and I did like it a lot, even upon first viewing like you did. I was very I even warned you. I was like, dude, I don't know if you're going to like this because you watched it before the Nolan pod. You're like, no, I liked it. I understood very little of it, but that's okay. And even with 15 viewings, I don't understand it fully either. How could you? I don't even know. If no one does. How could. My number ten is your 11. And yeah, not throwing shade. It's just we have a lot of good movies to talk about. Dunkirk. Yeah, yeah, a lot of good movies. You were number nine. Number nine right here. Okay, now I got you with the. I got you with Batman Begins. This one. Okay? Okay. My number nine. Yeah. This. We have some differences here, but again measuring gold. So sorry I'm putting inception right here to movie I love just upgraded at 4K. Inception number nine. You're better than this. You're better. Have you watched it recently? Oh, I watched it all the time. I brush my teeth. Have you watched it all the way through recently? Yeah, I saw it like a year ago in theaters. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, it's a great movie. It is. It's not as good as his other work to me at all. It means something to me. All right? It means I get it to me. He refined process a lot since then because he has. I love the movie, but the first hour is talking. There's a lot of cool shit that happens in that talking. But it is. It's all exposition. It's a lot of it. And then 90 minutes of beautiful payoff. But he is refined his process to where he is not just doing that. I'm going to explain to you exactly what this is for an hour so that when we enter the dream, you get it. He's found other ways to do that, and I appreciate the different ways he's found it. That's all. I still love the movie. There's still the hallway fight is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I fucking love that. So good. All right. And then we eight number eight right here, the Dark Knight. Wow, that does surprise me for you. I'm more of a like with me when it comes to these. And I know that's crazy because a lot of people like that movie a lot. I think I, I think that is a better movie of performance rather than a full on movie. Yeah, I agree to it's actually my number eight as well. That's the only one we have. LinkedIn. I thought you were going to be mad at me for that, but I I'm starting to remember, too, that I think three years ago you had it around this placement. And I remember I put Oppenheimer three years ago, I put that at number eight. I don't remember where he had. That's correct. That's the only one I don't remember. Yeah. I think you had it. I think you put it at three. And I even remember I was hedging my bet and I put it at eight. And that is obviously it's that's changed. You haven't heard it so far. So yeah that's changed drastically. My so that's the only one. So when I go through our old rankings I don't I know I put Oppenheimer at eight I don't remember where you had it. You might have had it like 3 or 4. But anyway, number seven, number seven for me I'm going to go with following right here. Okay. Cool. Because I really I remember really, really liking that movie and just thinking about like, because sometimes I guess I'm a sucker for first time filmmakers movies because you like when I am too. Because like, now here's the thing though. Like, if I had seen that when it came out, I might not have had such a opinion about it. But once you look at all of Nolan's work and then you go back and see what he first did, you just see where his mind was at the start? And it's absolutely. And it's very intoxicating to kind of feel like you're there. So. So yes. But I have no idea where the hell I put this on. My first ranking, my number seven. It feels like it doesn't get talked about that much. I find it was the last one I upgraded to 4K every Nolan movies available on 4K except for his first three, which is fucking baffling because his second one is like, why isn't that on 4K? Anyway, my last one to upgrade was The Prestige, and I love that you said this yet, because that means it's ranked kind of high for both of us. But I just I really like this movie that I hadn't seen it in a while. I watched the 4K and it the big twist is literally the last shot. It's just awesome. It's awesome. It's it's a movie that gets better and better every single, every time. Like every time. And if you if it's been a few years and you haven't seen it, you're not going to remember every beat, every detail. And that's good. It's good. It's fun movie. That's why it gets my number six. Okay, cool. So it is. So we're pretty close with that one too. All right I like it. My number six is I just finished watching it the Blu ray because it's not on 4K right before we hit record. That is insomnia a movie I love, love that film. We're fucking right on the guy. Well, we're one off with the I. That's my number five. Love it. I mean, God Pacino dormant. Yeah. So fucking like just tired. He plays tired so well. Oh, we're getting up there. It's amazing. I know some fucking. Oh yeah. We're in top five category. Yeah. This is it. Top five. So insomnia was your number five. My number five. I'm going to make a change. Yeah. My number five is interstellar. Wow. This is a big one. I mean well, I don't remember where you sat with you, but I just remember because I, I mean, well, I mean, now I actually don't know what your number one is because so much has changed over the last few years. But I remember you were pretty rock solid in that number one. That was my number two. That was your number. Oh, my. Yeah. Interstellar is always been my number two. Before Oppenheimer. Before Oppenheimer, interstellar was my number two. Nolan. Forever. My number one and two were always locked at that. So this is a big drop going down to five a little bit because we've had some other movies since. So get ready for so my ass, it's still number four. The movie fucking wrist. Watch it all the time. Number four. All right. Number four is this is where I put a lot. Oh, okay. Hold up and hammer. Wow. Yeah, yeah, we got it. I will say that my number four is the movie we're talking about today. It's the Odyssey. That is a big deal for me, frankly, to put it this high. It's just that good. And people go see it. Yeah. I can't wait to hear where it ranks. Where it ranks for you. Number three from Nick. Oh, my God, are you ready for this? I don't think you're ready for this memento. Okay. That's all right, I get it. It's it's I know, I know, you have such a like you fucking love inception. So, so much. That's good. That's fine. But you're. Yeah, you're. Your heels are dug in with it. My number three. The biggest about face of my life. When I first saw tenet, I fucking hated it. I did not like it. I texted and Nick, I texted my wife. I was like, the man has lost the thread. This is all because, I mean, Covid had something to do with it. I mean, it's it's the first movie in Covid, you know, masks sitting three seats away from everyone. So there's that going on. But really, this is because I did not understand it, I rejected it. I think this movie is so fucking cool. And honestly, simply put, it's Christopher Nolan's James Bond. It is. That's just what it is. It's Christopher Nolan's James Bond and there is no James Bond movie. None. I've seen them all multiple times. I cannot explain to you every single fucking thing that happens in them. It doesn't all make sense. This movie is baffling. It's incoherent at times and I'm okay with that now. Biggest about face of my life Christopher Nolan's Tenet. It is my number three. Your number two. It's the Odyssey. Fuck yeah man, that is awesome. Yeah. Hell yeah, I love it. Number two like I like I started this whole entire podcast. I've not felt this way about a movie since Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and that ended up being my second favorite movie of all time. Now, I'm not saying that The Odyssey is going to crack that code. I'm just saying that there's a level of obsession that's coming over me, and a pure desire to just want to watch this movie over and over. I can't not like, want to live with it. Me too man. And then you know that that that you know as well as I do, that feeling does not come around all the time. Because, like, I know that's how it was for Oppenheimer, for you. And Oppenheimer is not is not in your top ten of all time, at least not yet. Maybe it's not so curious what my number one is, especially about process of elimination. But I'm more curious now. Before you tell your answer, I would say your favorite Nolan movie, because I know what it's between right here. Because I don't know what you've done here. Yeah, I have no idea if you've gone for it and if you have made a switch. It's a big deal because I know what memento means to you. It's been tough for me. It's been very. It's been a hard. It's been a hard time. Your number one was inception. We'll say yes. My number one is inception. And. Okay, I'll finish my fucking yes. Inception just means something to me in a certain level of when I saw it and how I saw it. That does not go away from me. Even though I am like healed from a heartbreak. There was something that was very healing for me about inception that I needed at the time. I see, and I related to that movie at that time in a way where no other movie could really kind of encapsulate a certain amount of regret and heartbreak that I was having that oh, Cob, Leo DiCaprio was going through that. So every time I watched that movie, I'm sort of transported back there. But now in like a, a way where I loved, I love to revisit. But at the time I saw that movie over and over again because it was my, like, weird therapy. I get it now. Yeah. So I never knew that. I never knew you had that emotional component to it until now. Look at us learning. I'll tell you what, man. When when he is holding Marion Cotillard at the end and he's telling her that we've had our time. But now I have to let you go. I couldn't let go at that time. And hearing his words over and over say that. And me knowing that this is what I need to do, but I can't, I just can't. I would be in tears every time that fucking movie goes on. God, I fucking love it. It's so good. All right. Good. And yes, but you are right. You're right. It does it. He has gotten better in his filmmaking, but I still love it. But anyways, I'm going to guess memento is number two in Oppenheimer is number one. All right I got a little speech plan. So just like I did for Spielberg, my top ten. So here's the thing memento taught me about the art form of film. I was at the right age. I was 15. It was one of the foundational movies to prove to me that new movies can break barriers, and not every idea has been told in every way. There is some stark individuality in filmmakers out there. I already knew this, like Pulp Fiction. I had seen that. But memento, I think, was one of the first times I discovered it in real time with everyone not on TV, not on VHS, not because someone told me that it won a bunch of Oscars and I need to go see it. I discovered this groundbreaking thing with everyone else. It just changed my cinema life. Now, Oppenheimer didn't necessarily teach me anything about the art form, but it does prove that, like the Odyssey, contemporary modern blockbusters can be masterpieces, and I didn't really know that was possible for me on this massive of a scale. I mean, Oppenheimer is a fucking biopic about a theoretical physicist. Like what? And it's astounding. Like, it's an astounding movie. The one I've seen the most is Oppenheimer. I mean, I've seen that. I've seen memento a lot, too. But it's for this reason that Oppenheimer is my number two and mementos, my God. So I have gone back and forth a little bit, I will say, with a fully objective lens. And I don't ever mean this to be arrogant. Oppenheimer and The Odyssey, I think, are the two best films he's made, like from a technical level. And I might even say The Odyssey is number one. Like just on the grand scale, grand scale of filmmaking. We've said it a lot in this episode. We've never seen anything like this. Not contemporary with this little CGI. Absolutely not. It is a very one, A1B thing for me, obviously, because of this podcast that, you know, me talking about how many times I saw Oppenheimer became a became obsessed with it. And the summer of 2001, I didn't have a podcast, but if I did, you would have heard of me talking about memento a lot. But like, I got the DVD, I watched an order before knowing that there was like a special feature where you could watch in chronological order. I took memento with me to college and showed it to everyone because it was like that weird little indie that not a lot of people had seen. So I can watch either. Any time I watch them back to back preparing for this, like, oh, which one is it? And it just barely an edge to memento. And yeah, that's it. But I love both of these movies so, so much so yeah. Oppenheimer. Number two, memento number one, your top ten is damn near your your rather ranking is damn near exactly the same as it was three years ago. Exactly. Just with a few additions. I'm actually kind of shocked by that. So you had number 11, Dark Knight. This is from 2023 to you had. I'll just go in descending order. You had Dark Knight Rises, interstellar, Dunkirk, tenet, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, that's all aligned. Then you had the wow, that's crazy. Then you had the prestige and following. So you switch those. Oh, so I switched that. And then you make sense. Yeah. And then you had insomnia. Number three. Memento two, inception one. And now you have insomnia. Number five. Oppenheimer four. Memento two. Odyssey. Memento three, Odyssey two. Inception one. And then mine. Mine didn't change too much either, actually. Like, I've given the prestige little bump up, but I initially had Dark Knight Rises, Batman Begins following Prestige Tenant, which I've given a big up to inception Dunkirk, which I have taken down a little bit, The Dark Knight, which I took down a little bit, and then insomnia, Interstellar and Memento and well, well, yeah, well, differences in terms of ranking with prestige and interstellar. Yeah. Prestige has changed one kind of like you did two actually. Like we both bumped it up. One. Yeah. Just oh you bumped it up. Yeah. Yeah I bumped it up to because it used to be it was lower than some. And then. Yeah. Tenet. So by way of saying like when you look at my top three, I have the one that made him really famous. Memento. And then I have his three most recent movies. I have Oppenheimer, tenet, The Odyssey, and you, you know, tenets little farther down from you. But Oppenheimer in the In the Odyssey are both in our top four Christopher Nolan movies. Like that's crazy. Yeah, that's that's crazy. Yeah, these are good rankings. And this is all by way of saying that The Odyssey, this movie fucking rules. This is a gift to the art form. It really is. It truly is. I can't wait to see it again. I'm like trying to figure out when that's going to be. If I can get in a viewing tonight. God damn it. I know, man, that's how I was with Oppenheimer and that's how I'm feeling with this two that I just get that itch. And I already got a ticket for Wednesday. We're recording this on Monday. I got a ticket for Wednesday and then. Yeah, for Saturday as well. I already got some and I'm just going to keep going. I'm going to keep keep going. What are you watching? The captions a good idea. I do think I'm going to do that. I'm going to find a specific one. Yeah, with those burned in closed captions, because all the names and all the places and all that stuff that I think could help a little bit, but I think it'll help just with some of just like the very, very specific history that that gets kind of like just blown past a lot. Yeah. Like it'll help with that. So as we go to what are you watching? I'm going to I have kind of two, but I want to do a little teaser for what are you watching? Because obviously we're both recommending the Odyssey, but it's not what we're going to recommend because, you know, we're going to recommend something else. So at this King of Prussia theater, I didn't know this. No trailers, no bullshit. They're like, because they don't have fucking trailers in 70mm. So they would have to, like, change over the lens and change over the projector. So they're like, this thing's just going to start. That's what's going to happen. Instead, what happened is we got a little title card that said, thanks so much to Christopher Nolan for letting me show this early extended preview of Dune three. Oh, did you see this? Yeah, I did, I mean, I, I haven't been looking forward to seeing this movie until this. And that was like Saving Private Ryan. The Normandy invasion meets the opening attack of War of the worlds. And I was I just went. All right, I'm in. I'll see that damn movie. I really had no interest until I saw this, like five minute. I mean, that was nuts. Just, you know, crown the beach and that thing comes up. And I went, all right, cool. You got me. Well, I'll go see it. So I, I haven't really been looking forward to seeing that movie until now. And that really impressed me. I yeah, I am I will see it. I'm not looking forward to it. Yeah. It's not going to be the Odyssey, I'll put it that way. It is as impressive as that trailer was. It did not. It did not have an effect on me. And like, even to the point where I would even talk about it. Oh, man. It did, it did for. It did for us. We were in the. I was like, Holy shit, what the fuck? I just didn't know. I don't think anything else from the first two movies goes that hard. In my opinion. It doesn't. That was like tough. I thought it was cool. Well, I'll tell you when when his name popped up because everyone knew what we were about to see. My theater went crazy. I was sort of like, man, fucking people love these movies. Yeah they do. They're they're really not for me. Like I've, I've tried. The second one in particular is we've talked about a little bit, you know, I'm not hating, but it is. That's not for me. It's not a movie for me. Sorry. Anyway, I that that little teaser made me. It wasn't little. It was like five minutes long. It did make me one for the third one. So I was like, all right, here we go. But I do have a few other. What are you watching to talk about? But give me yours. What do you got? Are you ready for the. Are you ready for the one that I. That I've been hiding forever? Oh, it's now. You hated to live and die in LA. Oh, how did you know? Nailed it. Fucking I know everything. Damn it! I'm the fucking man! God damn it! Why would you hate like, that movie fucking rules. And you're gonna come here? I like it a lot. That's why I was bringing it in. You told me you had a negative opinion on a Friedkin movie, and you're going to talk about it on. What are you watching? So I'm assuming you didn't like it because you said it was negative. I said, I said, I said a negative opinion. You said you I said that maybe I'm way off. I thought you said I watching. I didn't really like it as much as everyone else, I don't know. Did you? Okay. Let's start. Oh, no. I know I've got a negative take. And what? It wasn't about the movie necessarily. My question is, and I don't mean this to come off disrespectfully, but like I, after seeing to Live and Die in LA, which I did like. But I wonder, how the hell did William Peterson actually have a career? Oh, did you think he was bad? I thought he's just been vanilla ice cream in every single thing. I mean, he goes kind of crazy in this sometimes, but I just look at him and everything I've ever seen him, and I go, how the hell did you get cast? Well, like like like, how the hell did you like in not just in this, but in a lot of things. Well, I was going to say name. He had a big career. Not a not a big film career, not not starring roles. He had a career because he got CSI Manhunter. He is the lead of Manhunter. Like, yes, he he is the lead of that man liked him in the 80s. He had that pop, but he got Manhunter because of To Live and Die in LA. So that was Friedkin being like, no, I know this Chicago theater actor, so I'm going to give him this part. I agree, but he's like a lunatic in it. Like, they got in so much trouble when he jumped up on that turnstile in the airport and ran on it, because that was the airport said, that's the one thing you're not allowed to do. You can't run on it. And he told old William Peterson, and he's like, I fucked that man. Watch this. I just did it anyway. But no, I know what you mean. He's much more suited for like the lead of of CSI for, you know, ten, 12 years, something like that. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. It's so even still that I'm still like, how the hell does this guy fucking okay goddamn career for himself. Okay, I was wrong, or I misremembered what you said, but you did like it. You liked the. You liked the picture. I did like it. I mean, it's pretty bonkers. It's to live and die in L.A.. Directed by William Friedkin. It's fucking nuts. They got in a lot of trouble because they accurately depicted how to create counterfeit money. They accurately depicted it so well that someone, like, accidentally kept some of the bills. The FBI got involved like it was crazy, and then they got in trouble for showing it that way, because that's actually how you did it. Yeah, like at first, like I didn't know what kind of movie it was. So it took a little bit to kind of realize, oh, this movie is nuts. Like there's a lot of cool to it. But I thought the whole thing was like a cool vibe. Very cool. For some reason that, well, I thought it was more like nuts than cool. Like, I thought it was like Michael and Collateral. Cool. Like, that's what I thought it was going to be, where it was sort of like, oh, this is a sleek fucking like, you know, like LA vibe. Because all the, all the, the I remember coming up with those pictures on Twitter, like way back when and seeing all these like cool, colorful like greens and things. So I was like, oh, this is, this is one of those types of movies. And then I just get a movie where I go, this movie is out of its fucking mind. It is. You know, there's some cool stuff to it for sure. Yeah, but yeah, that's exactly what it is. Yeah it is. It's absolutely keyed up to where you wonder if there was, you know, whatever. Something else going on. Yeah. On set. But yeah it is. It's mean. He's mean. But also the movie is mean. Like how it resolves its characters is mean and like, hey, it's crazy you. I will never forget seeing that and thinking like did, was there a mistake like in the what just happened? It takes. Yeah, it's a very audacious thing to do. And Willem Dafoe is great in it. But yeah, even the end, like the very end is kind of a little bit silly and I don't know, but I'm glad you watch it. I am, I am, yeah, I know, I know, I definitely did not I definitely did not dislike it. It wasn't what I expected it to be. But I, you know, that's not going to be like I'm not going to take that stance. A lot of people were like, wasn't I expected? So I didn't like it. It just wasn't what I expected. But then once I took it for what it was, I just go, okay, so we're just in a crazy movie. That might have been what you said to me, actually might have been like, it wasn't what I expected, but I guess I interpreted that as you didn't like, I might have said it, and I might have said it with a certain tone in my voice, because I realized that, you know, even if you were to listen to that ranking, you would think that I absolutely hate Christopher Nolan the way that I talked about interstellar, Dark Knight Rises. So I understand it. Sometimes my tone gets in the way of what I mean, do not go gentle into that. Good night. My my. Seek the treasure. We are recording this episode on July 20th, 2026, which means this is the three year anniversary of the release of Christopher Nolan's best Picture winning masterpiece, Oppenheimer. My I see Oppenheimer. I know it's been a what a journey. I'm so my very quick what are you watching? I always thought it would be a fun editing exercise to put this movie in chronological order, before realizing, who the fuck has time to do that? I just don't, it's I love to do it with other movies, but this was going to be way too much of a challenge. Instead, I found a very nice soul on Reddit who did it, and he lets you watch it. You know, like from his Google Drive. Cool like fun experiment, but does not is not as effective because the last 50 minutes is like you get 20 minutes of OP testimony before that board, and then you get 25 minutes of straight straws in his testimony. So like that's it. So it's not as effective. Now interestingly, I always thought the biggest challenge it would be the biggest challenge to put in chronological order would be Dunkirk. And I wasn't even going to attempt to brave that. But after I watched Oppenheimer chronological order, I'm like, I wonder if anyone else has done this. I found one, watched it. I you know, I've never understood the movie better than watching this cut, especially everything that goes on on the mole and like, oh, that is a different chip, okay. And it's really when you watch it this way, those poor boys like, can not get off that beach. They keep getting back on it. But it really helped capture just all their stuff really, really well. And I'll say that this was not a bad cut like I, you know, on and on. The only reason I do this because on following they he has like a legit special feature as part of criterion watch the linear cut in the memento DVD I have, there's an Easter egg where you can watch it in chronological order, so I've done that. I guess it's not, you know, fashionable to do that now, but the Dunkirk one, I'd honestly argue it may have been better received, and it still did great, but if it was in chronological order, because I like the way he did it. Like this way, the action is always collapsing on top of each other. But it. Yeah, it's it was definitely easier to follow along in chronological order. Well, and that was always my biggest complaint with the very first time I saw it was you just had to do a lot of sort of like weight tracking everything correctly and, and then. Yeah, because sometimes it is like like you don't recognize that that's, oh, that's that plane or that's that ship or like, you know, little things like that. You do kind of get a better you get your bearings more the second time you see it. But yeah, I kind of wonder. I'd be curious to see what that would be like in that format. And it's cool that it worked. Like you're saying, the Oppenheimer one doesn't really not actually does. Yeah, a lot of the Oppenheimer cut like, is in order like a lot when they're on Trinity or, you know, doing that a lot of that is already in order. But yeah, you're just basically taking out all those cuts to Robert Downey Jr and you're just saving all those. His whole performance comes in the end of the film, like the entire thing. But with Dunkirk, I mean, even the Killian Murphy reveal the way it is now, it's we meet him first, shell shocked, and then we get that brief look of him as like, the really upstanding, you know, no boys take the next boat. It'll be fine. But in the chronological cut, that's what we get. First, the kind of upstanding officer and then the shell shocked. And it still works. But I don't know if I remember from Dunkirk, where all those boys get rescued, like the oil spill. I thought that was. That's from the boat they're all hiding in. That's getting, like, target practice. I never like, oh, that got literally shipped back out to sea and. Okay, okay, now I get it. So it was just cool. But again, the the music and the sound didn't work as well because the editor didn't have control over all of that. So like were the music crescendos, I could tell he had to make some adjustments, but I don't know. I like watching these cuts. Not because I think they're better, I just think they're really good experiments, but to watch them. But moreover, I love watching them and just thinking of no one going, no, okay, that's what it is. In order. Watch me fuck this all up and just move it all around. And the Odyssey is not told in chronological order, but not in a way that is alienating. Like Dunkirk, it was very easy. No, very, very easy. Highest recommendation from what you watching to go see Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey? He did it. It sounds like you got a bug for it. I got a bug for it. I can't wait when we're doing our top ten at the end of the year. Like, how many times did you see the Odyssey? You know it's going to be. Hopefully we can see it together. You know we'll try to time like a viewing and see it together. But I think we'll be able to I'm just I'm so excited to go again. It was so much better this second time. I'm just going to keep going. And I mean, he did it. Thank you Chris, for Nolan Jesus Christ. And I'll tell you what man. And I think a big part of the reason why I feel the way that I feel about it is honestly, it lies in the score. Oh my God, it's emotionally primal in so many ways where the feeling you have walking out, I can't just shake the sound of that score everywhere I go. I have not downloaded it or listened to it, so I'm going to do that and I haven't worked out. So you're going to love it. Yeah, I am, because even you just enjoy though listening to scores like even if there's not that next. Yeah I do I love to write to scores so yeah I yeah definitely be listening to it. I am too boned up. Great film, fantastic film. Loved it. All right. Head to a podcast to let us know everything. Let us know what you're watching. You can write to us. You can donate or on Patreon. Folks, we have a steady, loyal fan base that is growing and we have a lot of fun over there. We are uncut, uncensored on Patreon Patreon.com. We're right there. 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