161: Anora (2024) Commentary

For this special episode, Alex invites new guest, Igor “Warrior” Nedvalyuk, on the pod to watch Sean Baker’s Best Picture-winning masterpiece, “Anora.” The guys discuss using movie quotes as a form of communication, Slavic culture, Sean Baker’s filmography, “Compartment No. 6,” “Casino,” "Glengarry Glen Ross," raves, Best Actress winner Mikey Madison, the film’s authenticity, and so much more. 

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Oh no no no. Oh no no no no. Oh, God. Oh! Oh no no no no. Today. This could be the. Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex with throw. And today could be the greatest day of all. The only thing missing is Nick. Of course he is here in heart, in mind, in spirit. But for this very special episode, I have brought on a brand new guest to the podcast to talk about the masterpiece that is a Nora. What are you watching? Has been in love with this movie since Nick and I first saw it in November. We've had a long journey with it. Never in my wildest dreams did I think it would take five Oscars. Oh my God, what better way to fan the inner flame than with this commentary? And my new guest, Igor. Never luck. That's right. My guest name today shares a name with a main character in Andorra. That's just one reason why I thought it would be appropriate to have him on for this. Igor and I have worked together for a number of years. He is an amazing photographer, cinematographer and all around filmmaker. He is a huge cinephile. His movie credentials are absolutely verified and approved to make him a guest on this pod. He's he's really one of the few people I've ever met in my life where we can have entire conversations that are just movie quotes, and I'm not talking like the most famous movie quotes. I mean some obscure shit. We do it all the time. He ran a film blog for years that I knew about back in my blogging days. Film school through commentaries. Really cool site where he would take very specific portions of director's commentaries from DVD and Blu rays and put them on his YouTube channel. So the website was an extension of his YouTube channel, and I knew of that blog in my blogging days. Igor and I saw Eleanor together in the theater. We've been talking about it nonstop since, and Igor is from Ukraine, so for the past several months he has been filling me in with all this cultural context for the movie. He has been the one reaffirming to me how authentic the movie is for so many reasons, all of which you're about to hear. And Nora is on Hulu right now. You can sync up this recording, watch it right along with us. We began our recording right when the neon logo appears in the beginning. So when you hear the beep, hit play in three, two, one. Oh, I'm excited to be doing this. We talked about this for a long time. I'm here with my good friend, actually. Why don't you introduce yourself? Because your name, you know, serendipitously, has kind of something to do with this movie a little bit. Oh, yes. My name is Igor. I think that's how it should be talking all throughout the commentary. I, you know, let me move through. It's very true. Now, it's my boy Alex. I'm Igor. Yeah, we're huge cinephiles, and we're about to break it down with one of our favorite films of 2020 for 2024. But I would say this is since we've met, we've known each other for several years. This is like one of our we have a lot of movies that we like together that we quote and talk about together. But this is one, you know, we discovered it. One of the things I love so much about this movie is it is quote unquote, my movie with a few different people. My wife loves it. My partner Nick loves it. You and I love it. You and I saw it together the second time. I saw it. Saw all together. Yeah. And I remember I was, gearing up to, go watch it, and you hit me up to a text and was like, are you gonna. Are you still seeing this movie tonight? And I'm like, yeah, I'm seeing it, you know? So and so at the Alamo is like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna show up. And you showed up and that was like, an amazing experience to, like, watch this movie for the first time with you, which this was your second time at the time. And I love the shit out of this movie. Oh my God. And we will definitely point out why we love it for sure. Absolute. I mean, starting right here. Like I love this song so much. Fans of the pod know that any and Nora themed episode, including every Oscar episode we did, begins with this song because I love it. They plan the whole shot. They actually had two other songs that they might have used, but once they settled on this, oh, it just looks so good. It sets the tone to just the vibe of it. I love I love what you're about to kind of like, see and experience. You know, it's kind of going to be this, like modern, modern love story. And it has all the kind of like music that would go along with it. And, this, this, this, this did it for me right from the get go. Yeah, I love this. It's also kind of like, evocative of the movie because the movie's going to have, you know, 45 minutes of, like, craziness, nudity, sex, and then all that stops and, you know, exactly scene nudity. And then it pushed in to just focus on ultimately what we're going to end on, which are, I love the I love this, I love the cinematography of this movie. Like right off the bat, this our guy from waves, Drew Daniels. He did. Yeah, yeah. This is shot anamorphic. Looks fantastic. Lenses they use looking amazing. When did you first hear about this movie? Like it. What. You can't. No, no okay okay. So you so like May 2024 one. Well, I knew a new Sean Baker movie was coming. I knew Mikey Madison was in it. I was a huge fan of hers already from even from her show Better Things on FX. But Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, the new scream movie. So I was interested. But I'm like, okay, well, you know, we'll see. And then when it won, Khan first, like American movies don't win Khan often. So I went, okay. And and that built up the excitement that I tried to suppress because I didn't want it, you know, I didn't want to be let down, and I was not let down. Yeah, you. I saw a trailer for it for the first time. What I was, you know, it was, about to hit Cannes film Festival. Oh, no. Coast. No, no, no, this you write about it? I think it was. I didn't know that at one. I didn't even know about this movie existing. Yeah, at the time. And I've seen Sean Baker's movies before, but I wasn't like an avid follower of him to be aware of his movie, honestly. Yeah. I saw the trailer for it coming out of Con Film Festival and immediately it hooked me, because I was curious about, like, what the story is. There's not a lot of American movies that kind of like tackle, you know, like this Russian, Eastern European as like almost main characters. So that immediately hooked me because, you know, I was very curious about it and I was legitimately like Russian. Well you know, Eastern European Armenian actors involved in this movie. So there was legitimacy to it. So that was kind of like the main thing that, got me interested in this film. And when it came out, man, I was just like, wow, it's it's legit. Like it's there's going to be moments. We'll talk about that. I'll point out that it was like, yeah, this is like, you can't fake this with an American actor. You know, this is like they don't have that information, right? That, you know, an Eastern European or like, you know, Central Asian Act or what at the time, living in that USSR. Yeah. I'm so glad you're here for that to provide because, I mean, I don't I can I can sense and value the authenticity, but you're going to bring so much more to it. But then when you gave your seal of approval on the movie, I'm like, all right, yeah. Oh, this is not the time. Absolutely. And I know we haven't gotten to this point yet, but like, when, you know, you're abrasive, you know, Comey comes in and you know, you that's immediately I was like, first of all, I recognized who he was because of compartment number six. Yes. You know, we'll probably talk about oh yeah. Oh, yeah. And immediately I knew what kind of person he was going to play. You know, it's like the Gopnik style. Yeah. Yeah. What she calls him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll get into that whole kind of war, you know, when it comes. Right? This movie won five Academy Awards. It's crazy to winning the Palme d'Or. It's just insane. It's what it. I that it was my favorite Oscars ever for this to take. And it's not like five of the biggest awards picture, director, screenplay, editing all to the same person, Shelby Baker. And then she wins. Actor, actress, which I did not expect at all. I love it, but it'll live forever. Well deserved. So I don't know. Yeah. Wow. Baker was just coming. Coming up. The stage is back to back to back like had it again in the last like 20 minutes of the show. You know it's just like all right well I'm going to keep it short this time of year. Time to read some notes you know. Yeah. Yeah. They were getting introduced to Vanya, here so much. She's so good, so good. And right off the bat, like, I can speak on this like a ham. This kid, obviously, he's, he's, like, born in Russia. I mean, he's I don't think he's born in America, but, like, definitely born in Russia. The movie, like, the accent, everything is legitimate, a legitimate, which is what I like. You know, you don't have an American or Western actor trying to, like, fake it. Yeah. And his whole demeanor, how he carries himself is very like, it's just got that kind of like Slavic, young Russian, Ukrainian guy kind of arrogance. Yeah. That he he projects really well in the movie. And I really, really like fuck with this, like with those type of details. I like that Sean Baker, he, I think he spoke to the actors and he listened to their suggestions, like, because you'll see later when he does the flip with the in the boat. Yeah. That's a very it's just I mean, that's such a like Slavic thing to do. And such a huge laugh line. Yeah. He did. I've one of the reasons why we've waited to record this, because we could have recorded it right after the Oscars. There's something I wanted. We both wanted to wait till the criterion 4K came out, which I'm looking at, and I devoured two commentaries. So many special features. And I want I really want to encourage people to 4K. It looks stunning. I want to encourage people to go and get it. So I'm not going to rehash everything. I'll just say it is worth it. They put a lot of care into it, but one of the things you just said, yeah, Sean Baker really did encourage them to bring their own things to it. Come up with their own ideas. So one of my favorite lines that he has in the movie, when he says, and I've said it twice, that was him. Are you just twice? Twice at twice laughing yeah. It's perfect, but it is absolutely something like, you know, like a Slavic person who's just learning English will say, you know, they'll, they'll mix up those words and like, I like that little detail. Oh, me too. Me too. One another. One of my favorite readings coming up from him is goes. You're very good. Really? Well, it I love this guy, so much thinking he has nothing to lose. The rich kid from Russia here. God, what is this? Later in the end. Thank you for making my time in America like, memorable. It's so. Yeah, yeah, it's just like. Yeah, she was just a fun time. Yeah. That's what I love about it. Because the first time I was watching this like Sean, I knew I'd seen most of Sean Baker stuff. Starlet up to a Nora hadn't seen like the very, very indie Prince of Broadway take out, which I do now and it's great. But I also know in his films like You Don't Know What to Expect, something could turn at any time. So I remember thinking, where is this going? Like, this huge, big romance is moving so fast, but we still have like an hour and a half a movie left. But I love the turn. God, do I love the turn. Oh, man. Sean Baker. Like when I saw Nora, I actually went, went back and watched the couple movies I haven't seen, so, like Red rocket. Oh, my good one. I watched and and I can kind of like, see somebody said online, I read, you know, Sean Baker did for the sex industry or what Martin Scorsese did for gangster the mob. Yeah, I know all these, but not all of them. But a lot of them are about like, take outs, not about sex workers rights of Broadway. I don't believe either. But yeah, starlet, Red rocket, Tangerine, The Florida Project, and Nora, they all have to do with the sex worker industry in some way. That. Oh, that bubble. You'll appreciate this. He got from a, kieslowski's. Red when she's blowing the bubble right there and in red in kieslowski's red. She. Iryna Jacob blows a bubble at some point above bubble gum. So that's where he got it from. Oh, I like that. Okay. All right. Kieslowski is another master. Oh, my God, I like love. Just ask. Gone too soon, man. Very young. I love the soundtrack, by the way, to this film. You know, just a lot of, like, whenever they're like in the clubs. Yeah. It's so authentic. And it's like back to back at it. Like the mixing and the sound editing is impeccable. Those, diegetic cuts. So when it cuts, it's like this. It's not just some soundtrack song. He only does that really once when greatest. It comes back when they get married in their in Vegas and stuff. And he said like he doesn't allow him to do that much. The non diegetic sound. Oh man look at this apartment. Yeah. And you know what I like about this. This is already like that first kind of like pause in the film. This is the first beat that where it just takes takes a beat to like relax a little bit. Let us breathe a little bit. Oh like that. What, what Baker's done with editing throughout this film. He's kind of teasing us. He's given us all these chaotic moments, and then he slows it down so he can process that. And I love that. I love that in any filmmaker, that's a master of the craft of all sides of it. Like because he edited this himself in his apartment, like, you can see the special features of it. Oh my God, I love this walk up. Jesus Christ just, she looks like, like he did. Like what? And shocked, like, what the fuck is this? But then also, you know, excited. Oh, my God, her this thing is changing. Yeah. She's walking to the door and then you have gay smile. That's the devil sitting there. Dude, look at that place. Oh, oh, it's stunning. This. I looked up this place that they filmed that kind of like in New York and like. Yeah, like a real place, like sliding. It's just great. Yep. This is another like, very, very I mean, like, I, when I was a kid, I used to do this. Oh me too. Oh my god. Yeah. He's like I like how kid. Yeah. Essentially. Essentially. And how old is he in this movie? Like 21 I think she's 21 and she says she's 25. They're after they have sex right here. They're about to they say it, you know, how old do you think I am? So. Right. Right, right. But yeah, he we've talked about that in previous episodes that he really feels like a child. Just like an infant. Like I want this, I want this, and he gets whatever he wants. You'll love the special features, man. They're crazy. Like, all every scene that takes place in here, particularly when we get to the what do we call the the invasion of sorts. This I mean, if the movie really makes it feel like this is all happening for the first time, they're they're like the night before rehearsing their excuse me, going over the blocking. They're doing all the work like none of this happened by accident. But the movie really makes you feel the spontaneity of everything. It's all. Yeah. And this is what a lot of people like that watch movies, just, you know, in general, like layman. Yeah. I'm not like knocking down people because I'm a cinephile, you know? But this is what a lot of people don't think about is like, what you see on screen took them a long ass time. Yeah. To come up with whatever form this is looking at, you know, it's like, it's a massive amount of preparation. Any kind of production will will take upon itself, you know? Well, I love the way she says. She says view. Yeah. And you think even like a $6 million indie film, like, how hard could that be? And then when you watch. Yeah, all that preparation, the shots remind me of the end. We're going to kind of mirror that shot when it's snowing. None of the snow in this movie is actual snow, but it's all practical because they were just on, you know, the roofs and like, snow blowers blowing fake snow. So that's dedication. You. When did you film this? Do you now like what's what? Yes. November 2022. And then he basically edited for all of 2023. Oh, wow. Yeah. So he edited. Yeah. Because and I only know this from the special features, but 40 day shoot, I swear to God, almost none of it was in order. Like Christopher Nolan has not done many commentaries, his commentary for insomnia, you watch it in the shooting order. So it's all like out of order. But he's comments on this is how like skilled Pacino is as an actor, because we're shooting like at the end of the movie here. So he has to act super tired. Then back here. It kind of reminded me of this. Like they're shooting the ending, like on, you know, early in production, not early, but not at the end, I'll put it that way. And then I go, yeah, yeah, I but I love that she gets such a kick out of it. That's the suppresses laughter a lot of these small details I appreciate you know and like in their acting and this is probably, you know, a testament to why you know I was making Mikey Mikey Mikey, Mikey really one you know thing. People may people may wonder like why, why, why would she win? Well, it's it's those nuanced moments, you know, in, and how their face changes, the reactions that they give off, you know? Yeah. That's that's those are the things, though, that's acting right there. Oh, absolutely. That's something that they're they're replicating real things in life that you would do as a person on screen in front of cameras. You know, that's why you have like, you know, Mikey Madison best Actress winner. Damn right. Oh, man. Back to the cinematography real quick like that look. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's she's like kind of fishing for more and. Yeah, I want to get I want to get more out of you. Yeah. And this is one of the things I really like about this movie is there's a lot there's a lot of scenes. And, in this moment throughout this film, it's in the shots. You will see it like the when it cuts away to, like your ego, for instance. You know, like those brief moments, you can tell so much about the story right off. Like just 60 minutes before it's over. You can kind of tell where it's already heading or like what the motivations of certain characters are, and that those are such deliberate editing choices. When they cut to him because and he even said, I didn't want to show my hand too much. So all those were really carefully thought out. But I remember the first time watching you're going, that is not a normal cutting pattern. Like this guy to me is like the fifth most important here. Why do we keep cutting down? Right? Yeah, right. That's right. Exactly. That's what makes it fucking pay off. Fuck, yeah. Oh, I know, I mean, dude, I love this frickin movie just for those reasons, man. All right? She just said she was 23, but that he thought she was 25, so. Okay, if they're telling the truth and 2123 but like, look, look at even the like how this guy, is acting, you know, like I wonder, is this he really high? No, no, I heard them talk about it. No. They were they were smoking CBD out of that like Dabur which they said they kept having these coughing fits. But no, he just acts so like legitimate and authentic, like saying the idea of being high or stoned. And this is something that I can also speak for, like, I don't know, maybe it's in the DNA of like, Slavic actors or something, but the fact that maybe they're it's a drinking culture, the huge drinking culture that they can sell, actors can really sell. Well, being drunk, you're like, I never thought about compartment number six crew, yo yet, dude, it's like he's crazy, I'm sure. Exactly. But he's not drinking. He's acting. Yeah, yeah. I never thought about that just because it's such a part of the culture. Absolutely. Oh, no no no, no. Like you drink so much, you. You'll not be allowed to sell it, dude. Back to look just real quick. The, you know, his color palette. He said for Florida Project and Red rocket was a rainbow. So that's what that was. The color palette for this. The color palette was gray, red and blue. So they wanted to have that. He says. There's almost red in every shot or every scene of the movie. They always tried to establish red and blue, so you'll see them bounce each other. Yeah, it's like the blue stripe in that wide shot it was. The sheets are red and her dress is blue. So you'll see that throughout, which is his kind of like adolescent or whatever like pimples or. Yeah, I mean yeah, sure, that counts. I love these scenes, man. You know, the the jealousy. Oh, I love her. Oh, I love her. The caddy. This. Mind your fucking business. Yeah, you're making it my fucking business, chatty bitch. Chris. Man, this just came out, let me tell you. Let me tell you. So, like, my my wife, she's she's not, I would not show her like a stripper or prostitute movie. It's not really her bag. So she after it. One best picture after one of the Oscars, she wanted to watch it. And this was the scene where she was silent up until this scene. And in the middle of the scene, she looks me in. She goes, okay, she can dance. She did her research. She did her research. And this this is this scene, this would be the last scene that I would think would win my wife over. And this is the one that won it. She was really, really impressed. And then she gave in and she loved the movie. Ultimately, I love this. Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's very authentic. You don't feel like, you know, she's, She can't strip. Yeah. I mean, you definitely feel like, put in the work. She definitely put it. And, like, you know, like this. The dude in the background, like, that's that is, it's a 21 year old idiot. Absolutely. And it's smoking weed. Yeah. Like, you know, what's funny is this was scripted. I learned from the commentary that this was scripted as, like a ten second bit as part of a montage. Like coming up, we're going have a montage of them, like eating spaghetti, having fun doing all that. And then when they were rehearsing, she showed up with this. She had choreographed this with a dancer, and then Sean Baker and Sean Baker's wife's. I'm at the clown, who's also the producer of the film. We're like, oh, this is a scene now. Like we're giving you a whole scene. So that's that's again what you just said. Like she did the work and showed up with it. And that's why you win. Yeah. And this is also another example of how like, you know, films, can change in the moment or stories can, you know, things can be implemented in the moment, you know, you have something written in and then it's like the same thing with, Terrence Malick when he would, like, just shoot something and then he see something else. Seems interesting. I will just torpedo and people and and they become part of the scene or whatever. Yeah, yeah, you have to allow for that stuff. It's like, you know, Tarkovsky, Andrei Tarkovsky is famous quotes. Cinema is like, sculpting in time, you know? Oh, man. Have you seen that video of, it was going. I found it a few days ago on Instagram where they it was an audio clip of him talking about the first time he, previewed the mirror like at a film festival. And then everyone is sitting around debating it after, and and the cleaning lady came and she's like, get out. I had to clean the theater. And they're like, no, we're debating about the film. And she goes, it's about a young boy thinking about over his life and all of his regrets. And the director went in. Tarkovsky went that that's exactly that's exactly what it is. And she didn't have a college. She didn't have a high school education. She never anything. And all these intellectuals are trying to figure it out. So I just saw that that popped up. I love that shit. But also there is a book that he wrote. Tarkovsky wrote a book about cinema. I forgot, I forgot the name of it. Well, I'll, I'll check it out later in the and I'll just kind of drop it in. But like, were people, Russian people were writing into him and basically saying how much his films meant to them. Yeah. And he he responded to all of that stuff in the book. It's pretty interesting. Yeah. Oh, that sounds cool. Shit. Here we go, bro. New year's party. Oh my God, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, in a way, it's almost like, very comedic too. Oh, yeah. That's the whole like, he's got the slicked hair. It's like he's trying to look like Elvis or something, or like, I don't know what he. I don't know what the hell he's trying to look like. You know, this kind of almost looks like, like a skit from Saturday night. Like. Like a digital sort. I mean, seriously, astute viewers will see that we're going to get our first glimpses of Taurus and Garnet here. And by the way, here's a good detail. You see this guy on the left, you know, like he's one of, like, the, you know, the his friends, his boys. Yeah. On the left. Like he even has a haircut. That's a very, very, like, Russian style haircut like amongst young people. They are. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I forgot the name of this Armenian bodyguard. Well, that's not the Taurus. I know him, but the other guy. Yeah. Garlic, I forget it, but I forget his real name. He's a comedian in real life. He's. And Sean Baker found his comedy. So that's why, in part, why he cast him and he, that everyone had an absolute blast making this movie. Everyone got along. There is. And there's a great story about why he's drinking water, because they came up with a whole backstory that his character is sober, so that when he is given the Vicodin by or later that he starts drinking itself, that's him. Like losing his sobriety. Yeah, okay. Love that. Yeah. So he's got like, this concussion that was on painkillers. Now he's drinking, like, those are meaning for. Him. Because it was trying to get money out of every transaction early in the movie. Well, she not she she she's not stupid. She shouldn't. She knows what she found essentially through her, you know, environment, you know, and their work. So of course, why not milk it? You know, girls gotta eat. But you know, what she doesn't see coming, of course, is like, you know how emotionally invested she's going to get. Yeah, yeah. And that's the big, you know. Well, that's actually a good thing to talk about with the movie. Does she fall for him legitimately? Does she care about him legitimately? You think? Yeah. Oh no no no no I just want to talk about we can definitely explore that because I do have thoughts about it. I mean, the I don't know if any of this would be happening if money wasn't involved. So we can say that. But I do think feelings are developed especially like after they get married when she sees, oh my God, I'm feelings are developed. But it's all this temptation of like, oh, could this be my life? Like her? Yeah. Her dad's worth all this money. Yeah, yeah, I think it's a combination. Definitely. What would her character. It's like, you know, she's struggling already in life, and, she's kind of like, in this environment that can connect her with, like, big players, so to speak, and it's like that, dream the girls dream of, you know, finding her Prince Charming. And I think this is kind of like the story of, you know, her finding or thinking she found her Prince Charming. And it obviously not being that you're become awakened to the reality of, you know what? That happens only in stories. But for the most part, I would say, yeah, you're right. It's like a common it's not a common story. It's it's like a Hollywood fairy tale type of thing, or not even that. Just a fairy tale in general. Dude, there are so many movies that would end with them, like getting married. Their story. Exactly. And it would just end there. And this is the movie that goes 90 minutes, an hour and ten minutes past that, which is what makes it so compelling. I love that she's like him. It's 5 p.m., bro. Yeah. Got the lighting in here, too. And I just like, you know, hearing because, like, I can hear and understand, like him speaking in Russia and he's a very, you know, authentic authenticity in films is a big thing for me. And I've really, if anything, that takes me out of a movie that's trying to represent, you know, like foreigners or whatever is speaking a language. It's like Westerners acting like so the fact that he's an actual Russian, you know, speaking or like, you know, you have, Karen being, you know, the Armenian speaking Romanian, those things are legitimate. And they, they this movie's succeeds in that, because this you have to think about the fact that this movie is not just made for America and the West. You know, if you're going to represent, you know, a large portion of the population of, like, you know, like the Slavic people, you want to make it legitimate as well. So, like those people watching it, well, enjoy it as well. And like, I actually on some forums like, you know, like Russian forums, I would like read up on this movie. And there was, you know, there's quite a few people like the Slavic people, Russians, Ukrainians who can understand the, the language. They appreciate this movie. They like it because it resonates and it's also authentic. Yeah. And I don't I mean, I can feel that like as a conscious viewer, but to know that that is truth and fact, that is one of the many reasons that, yeah, I love it. Because it is, I mean, the American actors doing the bad Russian accents, like, we've had that for years, like, I love 60s and 70s films. Jesus Christ, sometimes you just get sick of it. You're like, dude. Sounds nothing like it. And by the way her like her accent is terrible. It Russian it actually is. Oh yeah. Yeah I actually wanted to ask you that. So like when his mom makes fun of her later she's like you're Russian is terrible. It is. She sounds like a little kid or something. Or that's what I for. At least that's what I've heard. But she's trying, you know, she's my child. She's in Red rocket. She's like, I do, I do. Yeah, yeah. She's like one of the, like, the bodyguards. Yeah. And then he is in his first ever movie, which is impossible to find. Four letter words. It's unavailable anywhere for little we. Have you seen it? I have, I walked myself right into that. And you can take one guess how I feel. Oh, there's only one way to see it. And I'm not happy about that. But it's even when I wrote my letter box review, people comment and they're like, how do I do this? I've always found it blank, blank. And I went, yeah, I watch it that way. Sorry, I don't I mean, what like, come on, make it available. Yeah. No shit. I mean if it is ever available, I'll buy it or I'll rent it to make up for my devious crime here. Misdemeanors? Yeah. And so, yeah, he loves to reuse actors that, Karen Coughlin has been in every single movie he's done, including four letter, four letter words, every single one. He's great. And Prince of, Broadway that's already stuck in traffic. Like, he's just there's, like, get back in your fucking car. That's all real. It is like, oh, I can't wait for for the seeds with him because, he just he just nails that that, madness, that angry ness of, like, you know, just being pissed off at, like, stupid people, you know? Yeah, yeah. And they're always worried about to get in trouble. Yeah. No filter. But if I get in trouble for this. Man, it's just, like, straight up. Just straight up I love this. Yeah, you're just absolutely moving. And then I remember the joke. It's such a jarring kind of because it's Horus in the church, and you're like, what the hell? Oh, I love this actress. I love her, she's so good. He's like, you want to get high? Hey, you want to take ahead of me? See what? Yeah. Like, I mean, God, just imagine, like, this kid's off living this whole being 21, you have unlimited wealth. Your parents are nowhere around. I mean, yeah, it's like, of course, all this crazy shit can happen. It's just crazy to think about five. Look at that. Not for for three cars. Oh, you're right, it is for me at first. Yeah. I'm not sorry I to check I get I would love to. This is a real candy shop. It's not on the boardwalk, but it's right there. I would love to go to it. I love these people. I love the boss. Oh my God. Oh, he's so great. I love the authenticity of how they, the act, the his friends and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. It's like they're like, you want to be gangster. You want to be, but also, like, they probably love him because he's got, you know, they get to go to those New Year's parties. Yeah. You know what? You want to go to Vegas? Yeah. Yeah. Of course. It's like a private fucking plane. 21 year old smoking weed, like. And Billy. Billy is like a great character. I look at it like, I want to know this. Here we go. Okay. So this right here him Rapping. Oh this is just this is standard like fucking Slavic guys shit. That's just they love to do this stuff. So this is like on the spot rhyming and all that shit. It's just like good jokes you know. So I love that little detail. Oh yeah. Here we got this is Brighton Beach. Yep. Yeah. For sure. I've been here a couple times. This is a legit expatriate fucking Soviet community. You have Russians, Ukrainian Jews. Pretty much all majority of them Jews. Because of the, you know, Soviet Union being harsh on the Jews, you know, when, you know, that shit opened up and they could travel, they, they, they all emigrated to the States and settled in this little area called Brighton Beach. Yes. It's wild and I, I, oddly or not, I didn't know that at all until this movie. It's a huge diaspora that I know. I know what Brighton beaches. I know Coney Island. I didn't know that population. It was big for that population at all. Well, you know, James Gray did little Odessa, I think it was. Yeah. The little Odessa Tim Roth. You're right. Yeah. Which was Brighton, which I saw because of this movie, because I was doing research on like, Brighton Beach and stuff. Yeah. And I remember I told you it's actually a really good movie. And I think he also did another movie. What the. What was that Mark Wahlberg movie? All the yards. Do you think that. Oh, what are we not we maybe we own the night. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, we own the night. Yeah. Yeah, but like, anything, like any Russian mafia type. So, like, if you've seen, Spike Lee's. Yes, you've seen Spike Lee's, 25th hour. Yeah. What goes into that whole montage? And he goes like, Fuck the Russians and Brighton Beach. His boss is like a Russian sugar cubes between the teeth here, right? Yeah. Like they're sitting there between the teeth. Yeah. Like, go back to where you fucking cave. Did you watch take out Sean Baker's taken. Oh, not. Yes, indeed. This guy is the lead of it. So it's on this. Yeah. It's on criterion. So great. This is great, I love it. Yeah. Sugar cubes between the two. You go back where you think you came from. Kiss my Irish ass. And that was pretty much the greatest part of 25th hour was the miracle. I'm here. I love your scene. Here we go. Montage, then. Vegas already. All right. Yeah. This is a palms hands in Vegas. Why would you go to a party like this in real life? Like, would you or have you have you been to parties like this? It doesn't have to be, like, similar to this, but, like the closest I got was when I was on the film festival circuit, like in LA. And I got invited to some pretty hot shit areas. Not like hotel suites, but up in the hills. And that was it was wild. And there was, the hills, like Laurel, Laurel Canyon type of Laurel Canyon, Hollywood Hills, Beverly Hills, all. I mean, Los Feliz, which is where I lived, got invited up there a few times, and there was, yeah, it was that was ten years ago. And there were some interesting, parties that you. Yeah. You're in for a moment. Yeah. Well. So this you told me about this was, you know, actual, like what? Saline solution. This is a place in wrestling that does this for real. So, like, if you get wasted, you'll you'll like. This is just like, if you get hooked up to. And it's not like, oh, well, choose one. If there's like you, I'll show you the menu. There's 50 you can choose from that are all different things. Athletes do it. All this if you actually have it. Not exactly. You can get fucking trashed. And then the next day you get an IV solution, like a drip, which just gives you clean fluids and you will be boom, bounce back to life. And I did that once. Like I'm like, oh yeah, maybe I'm back. I can be the dad to boot. Back. There. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Which we, we, you know, we seen the location from, What? It's been there. Yeah. That's right. It was there. That hotel was insane. It went all the way to the. I went all the way to the top, and I was like, oh, what the hell? Anyway? Want to put a pin on the, partying thing? Yeah, I heard the IV drip. The only time I've had one done was in LA during said film festival partying days. And did it work? Oh yeah. No, it's no legal. This is expensive. Yeah, and here we go. Here. This is this is going to spin around. Wait, all this is all one shot. This is all going to be one shot until. So we're basically gonna go all the way. This is a circle. Then in the palms we're going to go all the way to the other side. And then he'll get on top of her. And it's so cool. The music starts out the music that we open the movie with, as I love that to the whole upper hand, like three cameras that I fucking, you know, to be very honest. Like, I guess I'm showing a little bit of my, you know, sensitivity here, but like one that there were moments in the movie like, and I think this is the part of like moviemaking in general is like, you know, they manipulate you if your emotions are being manipulated through cinema so well that they can, you know, call up those feelings of like, you know, sadness or like tears. That's that's pretty effective. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, when, you know, after this, when it kicks into that music again. Greatest day. Like I think I get you teary eyed. Oh dude, I cried the first time I saw it because I was, but I was like, what the fuck is going on? Why am I so emotional about this? These are idiots. And yet but yes, it just hits right in there. Yeah. And I, I think I think why it worked for me in general is, is like you, you want these kids to succeed. You want anybody to succeed who finds love, right? Yeah. And then it's it's so you're kind of happy for them vicariously through these characters. You know, you're you're happy for them to the point of like, you know, you know, maybe getting a little glassy eyed. Exactly. So I should ask you, have you ever been to a party like that penthouse. No, no. Yeah. That's the I had never run into those type of circles. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I've been to parties you know, with a lot of people and stuff. So you're not to a penthouse, man. But, most of my partying is done outside in, clubs or, you know, raves. Oh, raves. God, my rave days. Oh, man. Well, raves are amazing. Oh, yeah. That's a good time, man. Like these kids would have a good time at a rave. You would love a good LA rave. I went again. This was, back in the the decade ago. The. Yes. Anyway, how are, do they happen, like, almost on a weekly basis or. They are like, there's a subreddit raves, L.A or LA raves. They're happening almost all the time. They're almost always downtown at some, like, loft type thing, but. And they were always, they, they were including skid row people. No, no, no, but they were nothing like movies led me to believe it was going to be, like, scary and like, all this crazy shit, like, yeah, it was crazy. And yeah, there were a lot of substances. He said it wisely, and I said it wisely, but everyone was cool. The culture was so cool. Here comes. Yeah. She stood up right when it did it. Yeah. She sat up right when the song kicked on three cab up for curfew. Here you go. I said it wisely. Here they go. Here we go. Apple break the real Britney Spears. And what's the Kevin Federline right here? Yeah, yeah, they went to the chapel. They like look at that. And Yeah. Oh my God. But this is a beautiful montage, man. I'm a sucker for a montage. Oh actually, I'll give you I'll drop you a little. It's kind of fun when they're under the, Oh, you know, on Fremont Street, and they got the fireworks going up. They, they were allowed to film there, and they had they could tell the people what they wanted on the screen. They said fireworks, but they did not have control the area. So none of these people worked with them. And if you look you can feel it. Yeah. Look. Screen left it at a wide shot. You can see Sean Baker, he's in a hoodie and he is trying to run away because he gets accidentally in the shot and he's looking down at his monitor. So he'll like run away. It'll be screen left. And there is, there is you could see a black hoodie. He's like, the way I see it, I see him, I see him, I see him. That's crazy. But yeah, you know, I remember when I first saw this movie in a theater and this scene came on like, you could tell, they kind of like, did a very much a guerilla style thing and like, it's Vegas. So, like, people are going to think they literally just got married. Who the fuck knows? They hired a bunch of cameras to film this, you know? And I think that's exactly how they played it. Yeah, I think they were just acting like two kids who just got married. Oh, man. Yeah, but yeah, that's scene really got me. The first time I saw it, I'm like, man, this is beautiful. I love the security guard getting all her. She's all tough all the time. She's like, whatever, I don't like it. I don't think she has changed since Red Rock and I. And I like that character is not changed. She's scary in that movie. Yeah. She was. She's the bodyguard, right? She's like the gun against this man. That movie was funny at the end. You know what they when when they rush him and he's sleeping. Oh, yeah. You get else to, like, run naked. It's, Oh, man. No, I love that. It's waking up. God, dude, they know, like, dude, that guy was such a prick. You know, he was such a prick. But but it was so comedic, too. It was just like, you know, like, scary movie type of it. Still was like, Scary Movie three acting in parts. And it worked for that movie Red rocket, you know, I was trying to, like, constantly manipulate the chick and stuff like that to fucking sleep with him and all. Yeah, yeah, I she's, she's for it, you know, it's like, well I love that he like, has sex with the new like the young girl and then he goes back home. It is excellent. Got up and he's like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Fuck yeah yeah. No, that movie is hilarious. It's great. And dah dah dah. I will say that another, clicked all of his films into focus for me, because even Red rocket, I wasn't like there was something that was, like, missing. And then I just didn't, I? I think I thought the film was like, trying to do more than it was. When I took it at face value, I went, oh, this movie is fucking hilarious. You mean you talk about Red rocket? Rocket? Yeah, but it took a Nora the brilliance of this movie for me to go back and rewatch all of Baker stuff and all the stuff I hadn't seen, and it just this movie shifted his entire every other movie is done into focus for me, and I got his attention behind all the movies. I can kind of see. But I'm curious. I'm going to ask you, what do you what is it? What's the focus to you? I mean, if you want to speak on it, of course. What did it open up for you? What was with this idea? You got it right. Can talk a lot. Yeah. It just. It just made me reevaluate every other movie he had done. And I said, maybe I'm putting too much on the movies, and I should just take them for what they are. And they're not these like big grand statements about anything, you know? Yeah. I mean, at least, you know, red rock and stuff. Rock is just a fun talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it I mean, obviously there's some things to say about like in Red rocket about like, narcissism and shit like that and just lying, you know, those types of people. I think I thought he was really annoying the first time. And then when I went back to rewatch it after Nora, I went, he that's the point. Like he is supposed to be an arrogant, annoying asshole. Okay, I get it. I get it. Just no different than the, you know, you know exactly. No different than one and and just just 20 years younger, you know, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Here we go. This fucking religious, you know, mobster thugs with sugar cubes between the teeth. Know this is exactly what's happening here. You know, the clergy is dirty. You know, and here we go. This is like, once you get your, piece of the pie, you just kind of tune out. I got. I got what I need so I can, like. Like, yeah, she's like, I don't care. You can, play video games, and she's a little concerned about the phone, but it's like, yeah, you can play video games and do all this stuff. But I think here is the first time, not the first time, but where she really tries to speak. I think she tries to switch to Russian and like, talk about her backstory and stuff and like, hey, pay attention, let's am I actually going to meet your parents? And yeah, she's trying to connect because, yeah, it's obvious that, like, you know, she's trying to this is what I was talking about earlier, you know, like she met this guy. And then of course, she didn't know what, that the emotions are going to, you know, get the best of her. But that's natural. The natural. Yeah, yeah. Here we go, parents. Here's another legally married, but my parents are dicks, you know? You know, this is how we're going to roll. I love that her Russian isn't good. I just love that detail that you can point out that it's like, not not best. Had you seen her in anything? I know you'd seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. That's the only thing I've seen her in. And then what? What was the other one that scream, scream, screams technically. Scream? Yeah. Scream. She just came out of nowhere, honestly. Like, once upon a Time in Hollywood, but, like, like fucking. She played a psycho. Psycho? Yeah. Well. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh, she's the craziest one of all of them. And she does it so convincingly. Yeah, absolutely. But now I've never seen her in anything else. Like what? How did you see her? I mean, I was probably she was on a time, an ethics show called Better Things for several seasons with, it was actually created by Pam Adlon and Louis C.K. and like, before his cancellation. And then the show was still going. So she's one of the daughters of this single mom, basically. And she is great. And, you know, she's, you know, like, I think it starts when she's 13 and she does not get along with her mom. So I've known about her because I just watch that show. So to see her career go up and up and up, it's oh man, it's been so fun. This has been great. Yeah. I'll tell you one thing. After that Oscar mentioned her career's definitely going up. So and here is my boy, your of work. And like, you've seen compartment number six, like, literally just smoking. Is that, like smokes? He exhales out of the right side of the spouted. He I mean they didn't say in the commentaries and not but it doesn't feel like to me that they're smoking because usually smoke or herbal cigarets and movies, I think they're just like going for it because they be smoking, you know, for sure, like I would. No fucking way they would be. There's no way they'd be smoking herbal cigarets or smoking that shit for real, man. They're smokers. That's it. Yeah, but you know, like, just just the fucking way of their smoke is, I don't know, it's like being. I've smoked before. Like I kind of took took pause on it at least. But like, I know this whole culture. Yeah, I can tell when somebody is trying to fake it and who's a smoker and shit. These guys smoked. Oh yeah, for sure. Are you? Open the gate. And yeah, we were talking. But the editing, that editing cut boom to Taurus like. And now we're with these guys and we're going, what the hell is going on? I, I, I remember being so jarred the first time, but in a good way. Was there a movie that jarred you like. This is what I mean. For me, I was psycho for the very first time, and I think that's where it comes from. Psycho. I think it comes from psycho, honestly. That was the first film that had switched it completely halfway into the the movie. But, if we don't count psycho, what other like, modern contemporary film does that kind of switcheroo? You know, at least a pause like that. Yeah. I normally wouldn't allow said sound to be on the podcast, but roll with us here. Okay. That was a doctor Pepper. I'm kidding. I mean, psycho, that shift halfway through which no one obviously we weren't around them, but no one saw coming. That is a huge one. It is. It's just really hard to pull off. It's not only a shift, but I've been talking about this a lot on the past that, this they really wanted this movie to feel like a 70s movie. They wanted to feel like it was shot in 1974, cut like a 70s movie and a lot of 70s movies. I'm not saying they have this twist, but like, I know I've talked about this recently, but like marathon Man, the first half of that movie covers like a couple weeks or a month, like this movie, the last half is one day just like this. So that is a very common thing for the 70s, where the back half of the movie could just be like a very short time period. But in turn, the first half is like. But in terms of that tonal shift, I mean, that's why I told you to watch waves because wave. Yeah, that's right. You write about it and you're like, Holy shit. Yeah, it's really rare. Oh, man. You know what actually went on The Pines kind of does is yes, you write about a tree. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. From the contemporary of films those. Yeah. Contemporary contemporary. I'm not going that far back. Yeah. But it happens so infrequently and it happens to such a, a way that isn't really handled well that when this started happened, I was really nervous the first time watching in awe of like, what the hell? I mean, I thought, I thought the movie was going to turn into them accidentally killing her and then not knowing what to do. That's where I thought this was going, and it was going to be this scary dude in a hoodie was going to do that. And she was he was going to do it. And then so the whole time I'm like, oh, I don't know, where's it going? Know when you realize it's just a comedy? It's kind of an area. That's the first. I think their eyes meet the first time she's fucking. Hey, it's so much, his line readings are so good. Okay. It's funny because the guy who. Who's playing Igor right now, you know, euro, Euro buddies of, like, he reminds me of my real friend here. Oh, really? In the States? Oh, cool. Who's, is. Well, I should probably not name him, but, I, you know, he he kind of has that demeanor. It's like people who. So he he's a perfect example of somebody who comes to United States while having lived a life already back home. Yes. So, like, everything that how he how he acts, how he talks, his demeanor, you know, all comes back from the old country, even though, you know, in the movies, like he lives here and, like, you know, he could have been living here for the last five years. This is his grandmother, it sounds like. Yeah, but, like, it's still very much old, country things. So, for instance, remember, like, compartment number six, the stewardess in the train. Yeah. So she's very dismissive in the beginning. She is when she comes up to you. So that's kind of like the culture. That's kind of the culture of just have your guard up in the beginning. You have your guard up, kind of. This is why a lot of people, when they meet, Slavic people, then I'm talking when I say Slavic, I usually refer to like Belarusians, Russians and Ukrainians like those are the people I know. We all share similar language when they refer to us as being cold. It's just we have our guard up like so he he kind of represents that a little bit. And, he does it really well. So my friend is kind of like or, you know, like, okay, very short. And it's a it's a beautiful representation of people like that. I think it's a very authentic representation. It definitely feels it. And I think even that like guard up, he insisted on having the hoodie up when he walked in the it your your dad. So that even plays to it like he has this guard up and like he's slowly revealing himself. She will too as it goes on. Absolutely. Yeah. He kind and he's always like in the background. I love that, always in the mirror. I love that out-of-focus and in a center frame. Very deliberate. Oh of the shit. That's that's real life. That's good stories. Real life. They're very real life. Like, Yeah. Sorry. Just hold this baby for me. Like I'm sorry. Like this. I gotta just get the. I got, like. Like, what are you calling? Welcome. You. Yes. Listen to my wife. Real talk. Stand by, stand. Please stand by. Someone amazing motherfucker. Great shot. Oh, my God, I'm a beautiful face. Yeah. Oh, it's like red blue again. Love love love. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Some bullshit. You'd seen Goodfellas. Yeah. You know like like everyone in my life. Unbelievable. Go up Nick. Go go up and you can. There we go. That's the first reference in the movie to go up. Tell people. You know, for those who don't know, Gopnik is a it's kind of a subculture of, you know, like, Slavic people who are kind of like gangster culture, you know, it's like he, they listen to hip hop, they dress in Adidas, and they like, sit in a squat position, drink outside, you know, and then eat sunflower seeds and just like fucking, that's what he's doing in compartment number six is eating sunflowers. And that's that's kind of like, you know, oh wow. Wow. You know, he and he could be easily like, you know, he I mean, just eating sunflower seeds doesn't mean you're a god. No, no, no, I think I just what it is would be it's definitely like something that you would be associated with. But for instance, eager to hear, you know, he's a typical representation of, like, a gothic subculture. These are the kind of, like, young, you know, usually they're young guys, you know, like anyone in their teens to, like, their fucking 30s if they still haven't grown up and changed their life. They would be like, kind of like, eager, you know, dressed the same way. They never change clothes like that. They always wear sneakers. Adidas. You see them a lot kind of in, in American representations in, in films they like. Okay. So like an equivalent of a Gopnik is also like, you know, the mob guys who wear the fucking tracksuit. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. Because like, you know, in the like Goodfellas, Sopranos, all that Sopranos for sure. For sure. We got guys in baseball bat shit like, oh fuck, salute you. Yeah, but but this is more like a younger culture though, right? So, you know, all the driving in this movie is real. Usually you have a maybe 1 or 2 shots. They had a you know, that's how he was looking at her. Oh like across the frame. Oh yeah. Cuz look at it. Yeah I'm just noticing this now. But like this is like my third time watching it. So yeah, you can usually catch him. He's like trying to put stuff together. I mean, just imagine this guy knows nothing and it's his 30th birthday. This is his birthday. Oh, man. He's got like, you know, he's just. And I'll I'll talk more. I'll talk more about that shit. But this is, it's a good detail. Yeah. When she asks him it's your birthday. You know, I think it was your fucking birthday. Yeah. But you see, you see the contrast between this kid and how, you know, Egor handles himself, you know? Well, yeah. I mean, he's like a real man. As you said. Someone who is now in the United States but lived a whole other life where, you know, they were. And he's had this clearly very privileged, sheltered financially free life. I'm sorry. I don't love this shot. It's just this is the same street as the French Connection. So, yeah, chasing the French Connection definitely did that on purpose. Yeah, I love that. I rewatched The French Connection recently to oh, what a great story with Friedkin's commentary. I learned a lot. Oh, his fucking commentaries are brilliant, man. I love him, but it's funny because voice, that stuff's on point. By the way, this Blu ray is the best representation of the film he has. This is a great film. He had The French Connection, so I love the recipes. William Friedkin, tomorrow noon, get me back in the fucking car like the same frame, did I? I love that giant ball on his right. It's just such a great. Yeah, you just owns it. It's like, hey, whatever this is, I mean, he can't help it. I don't know, no, no, that is like, that's the French connection shot outside. Yep. You very much. Yes indeed. Yes. Yes indeed. Man, I fucking love that movie. Oh, man. God. Great details, I love that. No, I just really fucking fuck with filmmakers. Like paying attention to these things and or implementing their, you know, their inspirations into films. Charlie Baker I love that. Yeah, he is a director that loves movies and he loves world cinema. Like you. Yeah. Well, even like when he, when he was, doing his speech for best, his best, best director, best film, you know, when he was like, yeah, like go to movies, you know, this is like, I love movies. Go to the theaters, like, support movies, please. Yeah. That was his best director speech. Like, please have these in theaters. Do it I love it. Yeah, it's fucking impressive. He won. I love you. Keep coming back. The whole time I thought, I love that she threw that hand really good. Yahoo! Yes I mean yeah that's what he said. Like that. That was what he said was basically like pure shock. Like okay. Like oh she can hit type of thing, you know what I'm saying? But that's like trying to translate it to be like goddamn, goddamn, there we go. That's a, menorah. So you were right. You know, suggesting the Jewish population like you were talking about a Brighton beach and stuff. Oh, my God, I love this. Man, they worked really hard on all this lot of rehearsal. Just everything was worked on. I love that that shot in general. Like, oh, man. And he hates it. I think that's the only insert shot in the entire film. And he he said he hates insert shots, but it felt appropriate because Taurus is still on the phone and it's an awesome shot and it really works. It is. And I want to I think Fincher does this type of shot. Oh, the best. Like Fincher lives for inserts, he loves Soderbergh, Soderbergh and Fincher. They're friends. Yeah, but Soderbergh said once that Fincher is the only one who can do those shots the best. I heard him on a commentary. I say that which movie it was on, but Soderbergh basically gave credit to, like, Fincher, like he's the master of insert shots. Well, Soderbergh, the way he does it is he always films inserts on the day, and then Fincher apparently budgets whole days just for specifically. Yeah. Which is, you know, that's interesting. That's cool. Jesus Christ, that look like skin. Fuck the world. I know, I know, I think they kind of look at it like, oh, like, you think they did that on purpose to kind of make it look like, is the worst that it could look like. Good. Taurus looks at least like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, yeah. She Bratton. But Bratton, like bro. Bratton means like bro. But it's a very slangy way of saying, bro, you know, like in, in, like Russian. Hey, you gotta take that film like you. Yeah. The whole time I was so nervous that they were, I don't know, it was going to turn into one of those accident movies, like, very bad things or something. Like they kill this very bad thing. So, like, is that the fucking Peter Berg, Peter Berg, Christian Slater, Jeremy Piven? I think I only watched that once. It's fucking ridiculous. Also, Vegas, my partner Nick loves that film. Oh, come to the bike. Jesus. Oh man. Blurt out, what does that mean? Because they don't translate for us. So he says blood, but they translate it as fuck. But but it actually just means slut. Like, oh, okay, okay. It's it. I don't know why they always translate blood as like, fuck. It makes sense because, like, when we are mad at something like, we'll said black, you know, it was kind of like, but it's not like, oh, fuck, it's just. But the proper translation is like, it's just like whore, right? Right. Yeah, I get it. We're going on censored here, but I'm giving you I'm schooling you guys on this one. You know, I asked, it's a fair thing. Well, they're talking shit on the movie. We can talk shit here. Yeah, exactly. But it's crazy. It's crazy how long this fucking takes. Like the same. This thing is so funny. I think it's like 28 minutes. I think it it's not like from when they knock on the door to when they leave. I think it's 28 minutes. That's, that's. It's a big chunk of the film. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's no music. It's all diegetic sound, which is, you know, there's absolutely no outside, you know, music or you know. Yeah. The rub my nose. I just stopped drinking. Does, you know. Yeah. This is the scene that is going to. This is basically when I'm telling people who are watching it for the first time, I'm like, just keep like, don't stop it for 45 minutes and keep it going. Exactly. Because things there are new gears that are going to be found. I don't want to, you know, give anything away. But that's how I try to set it up. And I love this. And no, here, you know, I could see a lot of people kind of tuning out of this movie by this point. Yeah. Because you're like, what is this like? This doesn't come on to a 21 and 23 year old getting married. Like, why? This is stupid. And then here's where you have to make the decision of like, oh, okay. Okay. Things are changing so you can either accept what the movie's giving you now and kind of lean into it or fight against it, but to slow the whole movie down. And now where it's not real time, but, you know, basically, like every hour is going to be accounted for for my and I love that thing that he has that he puts on top. They're called pill minutes like dumplings. It's a very famous like Russian dumplings. Oh okay. Yeah. Many. It's got like pork or whatever inside it. And you can it's very tasty. So, that was kind of like an interesting touch that they, you know, they which people don't have, like, there's no like, say menu on top of this is all, bad. It's great. I'm sorry. You. I kind of interrupted you. You said something. No. Doesn't even matter. We're just. Oh, my God, here we go. Can you talk so mad? Taurus is about to fucking lay down some justice. I love this shit. What the fuck? Yeah, I love that. That's exactly how you would react. Yeah, yeah, because he's like. I mean, thinking of his back story is great too, because he is clearly his job is to be. I mean, we could say it's to protect Vanya, but he works for these really, you know, wealthy, rich people. Exactly. Right. And rich people. So it's like, he's thinking about his livelihood here, too. Absolutely. No. And this is this whole thing. It's hard. Yeah, yeah, it. But oh my God, the acting. Yeah, yeah. So you see. So here's the thing that I also want to point out, like the, in, like if you, if you, if you watch this movie in particular certain moments here, everything is it says it's translated in like in Russian, but there's moments that they speak in Armenian. I think they say Russian. Yeah, I think, you know, I think it bounces back. I don't know, sometimes we'll look. But I wonder that too. I wonder if they're volleying back and forth. And whenever Torah speaks to his boy, Armenian boy, it's Armenian. There's there's moments where they speak Armenian, but they also speak Russian with each other. So it's. Yeah, I just wanted to point that out. So so people are aware that it's there's not just one. Yeah. There's other because they are Armenian. Yeah. You know, and it's like, you know, why did you say it's because I love it. Yeah. And she said, I know, it's partly because of this actor that this movie got made because because of their friendship. Sean Baker was really interested in this community, this Brighton Beach community. Exactly. Yeah. I remember, I think it was a Brighton, the Canton Festival, and they were talking about it. Nora. Like where he he talked about Karen was saying that like they they've been thinking about making this movie since like 2009. Yeah. Oh, a long time like so I'm glad. And this is the another interesting thing is like, that's how long it takes to make movies and independent, you know, amazing movie. Yes, it takes forever. It is not a quick turnaround at all. You have to live with this shit forever, man. That's why I'm always, you know, just, you know, surprised when people want things done quickly. No it does. The end of this movie in the car took three days to film in two different locations. This shit does not come easily. It takes time. You have to set shit up. You got to get the fake snow, right? Yeah. It doesn't. I love I'm terribly sorry I went down that way. I love when he goes to check I missed out I don't have Instagram. And just like you know what's interesting to me about Tauruses. Like what he how he's handling the situation right now is very typical of like any any person from back from that world. Sure. And I'm talking like across the pond, the Atlantic Ocean would kind of handle a situation like that. Like if he if you take I don't know, I don't want to get to like, political hero or whatever. Like if it's like a Western person in a situation, it would be a lot of like, let me, let me look out for your feelings type of thing, where in this moment he's like, I don't care. This is not going to happen. This is how it's going to get done and very direct. And this is very much a very direct way of handling things. They do not fuck around. They don't they don't care about offending you. If you get offended, that's your thing. But like if there's a situation, we got to handle it. And that's how Taurus is handling everything throughout the in this movie. Oh yeah, I love that. I love knowing that. Yeah, yeah. There's no like, sensitivity here because this shit is too big. Like it's too big right there. Right there. Even like, oh yeah, once you get married, why don't you meet him? You don't that like like he's straight to the point. He doesn't try to, like, sugarcoat anything. And this is the one Taurus showed up in this movie, in this scene. This is kind of what started selling this movie for me. A line was through him, through Taurus, okay, see how he's acting, how he just said, my family never talk to me again. This is when shit hits the fan like this. We got to think about this. A situation. Yeah. And he always he's like, where have you been? You know that room you've been fucking him in is his parents room. Yeah, he has rocket ships in his bedroom. So yeah, it's. But yeah, he's coming in and owning and been being very direct. Not like okay. I love that I love the finger wagging. I certainly hope better lying. You know, I see you're pregnant. I certainly hope you're like. This is fun. Is that I mean he's telling the truth. Like, can't, sweetheart, like you had to know some of this saying, this kid stuff. Oh, yes. This is this is from. You tell me. Oh, okay. Exactly. Yeah. God, she's so good. They're just, you can see her like. Oh, fuck. This guy is, like, telling the truth. But she still. She has to have this defiant. She just have the shield up. Oh, this cut away. Yes, yes. Yeah. Oh, this. I love this thieving, scheming prostitute. And then go chimes in a soap. But you. But you write about it. It's like she doesn't give a fuck. She has that sense of defiance. I don't give a fuck what you're telling me. But I'm still that Brooklyn, New York type of broad that that's going to give you, you know, grief for everything that you're causing me, you know? Yeah. She's not going to make it easy. Easy or either. Yeah, that's a good conflict, though. I mean, because, like, you don't have a fucking story if you don't have conflict like that. I think he comes to respect her. Even, like you can stay at the house tonight, but tomorrow you have to be gone. Like, at the end. Yeah. You know, I think everyone come, you know, they they get at least Taurus to me. Seems like this is, Bonnie's fault. This is not your fault. This is this idiot's fault. Trust me, he's. He screwed me way worse than he screwed you. Oh, no. Oh, you ring his very big. Yeah. And what's really interesting about this is they talked a lot about this, and Sean Baker wanted it to be unclear when, Igor got it back, and he clearly like in the. Because you'll see it goes right into Taurus. His pocket. And then Igor gets it back because he gives it to her at the end of the. Oh, here comes. But but but the only the only close up like right close up. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know what's interesting about the ring too? It's like, remember at the end of Titanic, you when she's just standing there. Oh, yeah. She checked the pockets. Something's in there, you know, like. Oh, shit. Oh, well, I got the right, Yeah. But now you're right about that. So. Taurus, it was lethal Screaming great smash cut to boom. Yeah. Perfect. Beautiful. Cinematic language. Red and blue both in the frame. One of my favorite lines is what he says. Oh it's time to break this bitch. And you think he's going to be all hardcore. But it's actually the nicest. He it's to everything will be okay. Oh man. Yeah. Here we go. You got those. This is kind of like where it's beginning to you know, they're kind of zoning in a little bit on the Igor in the Nora together, you know. Yeah. The wide shot. Now they're sharing a frame. Oh yeah. It's very threatening. The lawyer, the lawyers. Great. The courtroom scene is hilarious. I just love the chain smoking. Oh yeah. Yeah. I just think it's such a realistic, authentic touch to like how how problems get resolved in that culture. It's just like everything over the phone with the cigaret in your mouth, you know, always. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. So I don't know, I guess I watched, I don't know what it was, but the bar was in the theater. I don't know, maybe they clarified it. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know, because this is obviously we're watching the DVD. DVD? Jesus fucking old man DVD, DVD, DVD on the 4K. My friend is like an idiot. Watch it on VHS. You still watch? Yeah. I just so you know, I actually watch. I would like, love Dan, I know I love and I. Yeah, but I love that shit, man. Did you buy a bear? You still had it absolute I literally one I literally have the beach in my car right now on VHS with Leo DiCaprio. Yeah, yeah, I, I swear I did. I rewatched it recently. I was like, I don't have it on VHS. I should get it. No, no, no, I went backwards on that shit. Like I just, I started buying up vinyls and stuff like that, and, same thing for VHS. Then they worked really hard on that shot to get them all in frame at once. So it's all like, even if the shot is this shot in particular? No. When it was the wide of all of them in frame. Okay. They worked. He wanted it to look like a spaghetti western with like, everyone. Yeah. Mash up. So it all takes it all takes time. I love the finger wagging coming up. It's just so great that they've made, he's been in every one of his films. And then this is by far the biggest role he's had in one of his movies. Like icon gets to own his scenes. Absolutely. So what's the story like? I think this is a good time to ask me this. What is the story between Karen and Sean Baker is how did they meet? Is there like information on that? I mean, as far as I know, they met at a film festival and Karen Cargill in was not like a working actor. And this was before Sean Baker. And even made a movie. And then he gives him, he plays, a gas station attendant and his very first movie, four letter words and the parts like he orders take out and take out the parts are in Prince of Broadway. He actually has a whole lot to do. Even in Tangerine. He's waiting. He's also in take out. He's in every single moment, every single Baker movie. I think they met at a film festival and just became friends. And it clearly Sean Baker was so influenced by his culture, by current culture and but but that's it. And it's just been this great working collaboration because Khan I do not believe has many other acting credits outside Shane Baker's movie. I mean, cuz I have her. Yeah, I think he's straight up just a Sean Baker actor. Yeah. But what's interesting is like after this movie, like if you see him in the role, like, you know, playing Taurus, I can easily see him in a fucking Scorsese movie. Oh, yeah. I wonder what I could, what I can do next. Oh my God, like he should. Honestly, his career should go off, you know, after this flick, if he wants to, I bet it could. I mean, it could. One thing I really love about the, Well, this is great. That my way, we get to see her twice in the bathroom by herself, and she doesn't. She doesn't cry there. You know, she's still, like, pissed off and defiant. It takes till the end for her to break and cry. Yeah. Oh, man. Yes. You know, that's that's interesting that you mention because I didn't think about this and but it but also it makes complete and utter sense to me why they held off on that. Then that's what makes that so effective. I don't know. Am I spoiling things? I know anyone who's seen this already. Okay. And we've been talking about this movie since November, so there's there's no spoilers. We can go. All right, whatever. You know, we can say anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clotting disorder. Those are extra hundred. It's worse. It's a bit more messier. Here is the ticker. That's the. I mean, isn't that, like, you know, this this. Yeah. Give people money. The money. Money is like, you know Scorsese it culture of like, you know, movies, you know, like mobster guys that are eating everything when James Caan breaks the camera and then he just throws some bills on the ground at the wedding. So. I oh, yeah, the concussion leading to the trademark Sean Baker vomiting scene, which is in every movie. And then the vomiting scene, you know, something is funny because like when you mentioned that to me, I went like when I was watching Red rocket and I think Prince of Prince of Broadway. They, they they did have that. Yeah. Yeah. This is like Brighton Beach right here. Well, you know, but. That, that it's like there's so much. Okay. So I mean here. Yeah. This is Brighton Beach. This is literally the high rises. And like to the left of it is, is the boardwalk. Yeah. Yeah yeah I, I've walked that, that boardwalk I showed it to my friend. Nigerian friend. I took him there. Oh, cool. Show them around and stuff. I want to go up there. I mean, I go to New York a few times a year. I want to go specifically to this place. You know, I wish I would go to the cyclone. Absolutely. The thing about Brighton Beach is it's like walking you. You still feel like you're in America, but it's completely different. People walking the streets there and, like, you'll walk the boardwalk and there will be, like, old, like people in their 60s playing like old Soviet songs, you know, on a guitar, like, it's crazy. They're just, like, stuck in time, you know, still in time, you know? So speaking of the shooting out of order stuff, they shot the two candy store scenes back to back because that's what you do. You shoot based on location. So imagine if I'm just talking about acting. Imagine Mikey Madison's acting here the first time they were here. They're all happy and everything's good. And now she's completely different. And this is those are shot, like, hours apart. That's it. And this one, they get the trash. The store, which is great. I love the way Toros plays it. You don't complicate your life, man. I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back there. Grab that fucking phone and look at that. The hood is up. Yeah. He's like, that's not bothered by this. He's just looking around. He's turning on. He's he's full on gob mode right now. As soon as the guy jumps over he's like a tough guy. It just takes him back right away. It's like they need a sea of it. Oh yeah that happens. You know I love this is coming. You think it's cool. You think you hard. And look how call me is. Yep. Tough guy. Yeah. It's a little mix I said that said look at that. He's like whoa whoa. Fuck off. Oh my god that's right blood. That's right. That's exactly. Voice because of that finger pointed. So let's throw it away. You know I swear like what I'm watching these guys now. Like, I would love to just sit down and have a beer with them. Oh, that'd be great. Like all the head. Oh, God. This is a great crew. But they all seem so the, them. And then the the actor who plays Vanya, they all seem like a tight crew during the whole, you know, award season stuff. They were all on the red carpets together, having some with some of this guy that I love, this guy. What the hell? It's like that 70s zoom. Yeah. Oh, this face did that. That's crazy. I recognize this place, too, you know. Little. Yeah. That's on balls on the boardwalk there. And by the way, where they're going to walk into this restaurant, which still there for real? You've been there, right? So I've never eaten there, but yeah, like I passed it by, walked it like this one time in unreal. It's it's a real place. It's not made for the movie. The real restaurant is called Tatiana Grill. You can walk in. There's a lot of like, you know, the diaspora of, like, old Soviet, you know, Russian, Ukrainian, Jews for the most part. But you know, any anyone who's, you know, speaks Russian or Ukrainian or you know, probably hang out here. And when they film this, this place was still open, like she is an actress and the guy in the he's an actor because we've already seen him in the movie. Everyone else like these chefs back here, they're cooking for people in the restaurant that night. Yeah. They did not have they did not close the place. Down. So when he's going around and asking them for a picture so they like real idea. They had no idea that shit. So this is one of my favorite stories from the commentary they had. They you know, he went in there and did it. And the first time they're like, so he did it three times. And then Sean Baker said, alright, let's just do it one more time. And Toros came up and he's like, we can't. Because this guy, this table, the guys in the back are going to fight us because they're like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, they paid to be there for the music and for everything. Not to be like shut down by some guys. So they had to leave. Yeah. But yeah, so authentic that that gives me really good context to for this scene because like when I watched the scene and he came around, all those people and presented all the, you know, the picture of this guy. Yeah, yeah. They all act like, what the fuck? Like, who's this? Like for real? Like, they they seemed like non-actor actors, real people having the fucking dinner. And they are that. Yeah. So everyone in complete sense. Right. All of these people are actors. And the way the the movement of the camera. Yeah. This is straight up, bro. Straight up like old Soviet mentality, you know, type of people. Yeah. So he just went up and stuff that it's up to his. Being like I can pictures something. They're like what the hell's going on? So I let him. Yeah. It's like he does a sick child. Oh, man. Yeah. You look, I, you know, the look of all these people, they're like, they grew up in the Soviet Union, bro. That's crazy. Yeah. And they, ex-patriots. Man. Oh, yeah. All of the scenes. Yeah. This is great, man. Yeah. It's just so good. They said it was colder than shit out there when they filmed this. You could tell November, November. December. Yeah. So. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I love this moment. Oh, man. So beautiful. Red and blue. I come up, he's going to gag me with. So defiant. Yeah, I you'll take it. All right. Give it to me when it serves. When it serves. Are you just a good guy? He does everything he's hold. Don't let her leave. He does that like he just does what he told busses. Candy shop up. He does. He's he's not. He's not complicated. But he has a good heart. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't you know, like it's very simple. You don't. It's very logical by the book type of thing. I love when they go to these wide shots like this. Look at that walking. Look at that shit. You only get to do that once. And they shot this on film. You know, you only have to do that once or twice a night. Fuck yeah. There's another thing you say for also for the independent film production aspect of it, you don't. They did not have control of New York City trains or the Metro subway at all, so they would have to time shots of when the train goes by. So anytime you see a train go by them timing it. If the train is gone they just wouldn't roll. Is that for sound issues or what. Or for. No they just, they wanted it for the production quality. So I guess it's like they would have to wait. And there's another train going. They waited just to make the city look more lived in. He wanted that extra sound crazy. Yeah. You you taste it. This is who you're rolling with, girl. You know, a bunch of Albanians, you know. And you got a Russian in there. You know, they they they don't go by the book. The the Western book. Nope. They do it. He's taken off. It's like I said, man, it's like gloves off type of shit, you know? Yeah. He's pissed at this point. Oh, yeah. I don't love that. Progressively throughout the movie, he just gets like more mad a, you know, for the right reason, too. It's like he's trying to resolve a fucking problem a fucking kid caused, you know? How do you not let that should get to you at some point anybody is going to lose their cool. Yeah. And he's on a clock is is you know. Yeah. It's like they're coming coming into town. They're on a flight right now. Yep. Same thing this this was not I mean they would have had permission to go in there, but they didn't have permission. I mean, none of those people are actors. They're just going around to different people know probably had like, release forms, a ready to go like exactly. You going to be this is going to be in the movie. You want to be in a movie. People are. Yeah. Yeah, sure. All right. Cool. Well that's probably that's probably why also that diner scene felt so authentic. I don't know if, you know, you can speak on that, but like when he goes off like, oh, you know, this generation generation like, no, they were clueless to like what when he was talking to them. And getting mad at them. But it just felt so authentic. It definitely does. I don't think any of them are like, yeah, I mean, look at their faces. They're like, no, they're just going to every damn film. Like, the love that the fuck is going on on this? I love that. It's just he wasn't even bothered. He's like, yeah, just I love this second man. Like, it's fucking like trying to take care of some. You know, when you have a mission, when it's like your survival mode kicks in. Oh, yeah. Like all the like. Like the ties off the gloves off. Oh, man. Oh. It's such a life. Yeah. So. Oh, God. This is why. Oh, my God, this is why the movie is so brilliant. Because it brings in just these practical things. And I love this cutaway to her. She's just like, let this night be over already, like Jesus Christ. Have you been in a situation like this where there's some bullshit just happening? Like, I've been in situations not anything crazy like this, but I've been in situations where it's like, let this night just be fucking over. Yeah. So like how she sells that shit is just like, oh, yeah, I'm so over it. I don't even have anything to say anymore. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going back in there. I have nothing to say. Yeah, I've definitely had nights where there's things going wrong and you're like, when will this end? What will it take to end? And then I'm ready to go home. Yeah. I mean, I love all that diegetic. Yeah. The music. Yeah. Coming back in, by the way, like when you watched when you did your research on this, like, was it sounds like the music is diegetic. It is in the club or was it actually. Yeah. This is a great question. They, they cleared all the club music, so they pre cleared it so that for instance, in the beginning when she's walking around the club, right, they can cut into anything. So the music was playing. So yeah that's why she just has these radical cuts of like you hearing the song. Right. So yeah they were playing in the background. Maybe not during the heavy dialog scenes, but what she's just like, you want to lap dance, you know, stuff like that. Yeah. That was actually playing. Yeah. That makes that helps so much. And you can tell that because that's the way it was. Well, like when I think of club scenes the very first time, I legit sort a club like environment was so done. Justice was so like, you know what you can do? You're getting there because it's true. It it is because that dude is insane. The sound design. And that is nuts. You, you got to go like this, man. Like. Yeah, you can actually. Yeah. Don't speak your normal voice. You have to fucking almost yell, shout over your shoulder. And I love that detail, man. Yeah. And this is, you know, thank you. Thank you. Fincher. Yeah, exactly. Thank you, Fincher, so much. Have you heard? Is this project apparently this is true now what is it? His next movie for Netflix, apparently. Please let me say apparently is a continuation of Cliff Booth from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. The Brad Pitt character, it's called, like, another Cliff Booth story. Are you what vendor? Oh, that's right. That's, I don't know, with Tarantino's approval. But anyway, I don't want to sidetrack us with that. We'll talk about that later. The other day. I just want to go home to Armenia. This sucks. Yeah. He's like, sucks garlic hates it. I mean, that is we just cruise right past it, but I love, Bender. Oh, okay. That was a song back in 2002. Man. I was like, in fucking high school. I mean, I'm dating myself, but I don't go fuck. But that was a big, you know? Yeah, that was a crossover hit from. Absolutely. Yeah. Because they did that whole album. It was in Russian. But then when they became so big that they translated all the songs into the English, oh, so they did it in Russian. For all the things you said, it was actually, an English version. Oh, they already released that. Yes. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So that'll be fun. Fuck you, I love that. God, he's he he's so authentic in his. Yeah. So just anger because because when I, when I've been mad, I've been mad. Just like him do. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like that. Like, you know, like there's nothing to do. So it's like, what do we do? Here's looking around just like, please get up there. They're they're fucking hopeless. I mean, he is a just they're just kind of like following along. Fine. Yeah. They both really helped out a lot in production. So apparently one of our boys, you know, who we work with to even say, I'm not going to say the name. Actually, he knows somebody who is a boyfriend of the girl. That the chick, then pink that, is the, the nemesis of Honora. Can I say SM the initials? His initials? Yeah. Him. Yeah. What the fuck? He really? Yeah, he you can hear. I'm gonna ask him. Yeah? Yeah. Give me a podcast. You can I ask you? Yeah. So he knows someone. The boyfriend of her? Yeah. He knows I'm from, like he's in L.A. And I'll look them up like this and I'll just guy like. Yeah, I just went down the rabbit hole, looked up the actress and who she's dating. And there was the guy, and I was like, yeah, he knows. He knows. Yes, I think so. Like film school or something. Yeah. Yeah. So it was oh that's cool. This is so often. But that's when you learn it's like my grandmother's. It's not my I'm not a drug dealer. Look at the way he's eating exactly of that. That's what I mean. They've been eating all day. They went over there in the morning. Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, I'm a little bit of a fucking a mug. Think he says that, but he does act like a gopnik. So this is something I want to, like, clear up for anybody who's, like, listening. All of this too, by the way. He does, for clarification. I'm not. Yeah. You can tell that Eagle is not on social media. None of that bullshit that she doesn't know any trends or anything like that. He just lives his life. Man. These like, literally asking, why am I. He's telling you to literally lie like this. You're just born that way. No, exactly. Like he's like. But he also doesn't really like he doesn't take it that he's not taking offense to, you know, I love this. Oh, I see that. I don't see. What the fuck? It's. Gotta love him so much. And then right here, you know, he does things like it's the girl I love. You guys. What? Oh, man, this movie moves so quick. I just love that. I mean, know we just cruise. We got one that in the 70 zooms they keep doing. Oh my God, man, it's just like it's a it's a dream. It's a cinephiles dream. I really like this. That's why so many of us love it. Because we're. Yeah, it really is blue little red in the corner. Always with the red and blue playing. So it's almost like you know he's playing with the like the French New Wave type. You know like oh I feel like that he's really inspired by that. Godard was doing a lot of like red white and blue. Red colors comes from a Godard maybe. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't I'm I have no idea what he will do next because he doesn't. He's not a filmmaker who moves like he spends a lot of time with his material and writing them. I mean, what do you do after this level of success? Like what? I mean, I don't know. See, I can't wait. Like, honestly, man, I, I if I was in his shoes, man, I would, I would take a break man. Oh sure. For sure. Because just for like and there's also like so much pressure on you when you exactly when you win so much and you win this big people are to scrutinize whatever you do next. And I that's the part I really hate about like Hollywood and just any, you know, just society in general. Absolutely. People just like judging you based off the last thing you did. Yeah. Yeah. But like, he's good at it. He at least needs to just take it, but just bask in it, take in your success, and then, like, do whatever the fuck you want to do next. And don't worry about it. Who will love you, Baker? Amen. God, I love him. Yeah. Just keep the best thing I can say. Or what I would love is for him to keep doing his thing. And just maybe, if he gets a little more money for his budget, you just have to struggle for it. Cool. I gotta mention something about these shots right here. This is something that like, you know, Michael Mann talked about when he was, talking about, like, you can hear it in his commentary, too, when the opening of heat, but like, heat over there. Yeah, yeah. One of our favorite films is when he goes to the hospital, there's these quick cutaway shots, and he calls those types of shots glimpsed in passing. This is literally he called it that time, and I, it always stuck with me because glimpsed in past, if you if you, if you watch movies and you, you see that type of cutaway patterns, it's always from a point of view, and it's, it's supposed to give you kind of like that immediacy of like, you know, of, somebody just passing through is what they're seeing is what you're seeing. Yeah. That isn't the hospital that you get that in hostile to. Eli Roth does that one. Yeah. When you drive through the fucking thing and he just sees all the rooms of torture and shit like that hot take about those. I like the second one better. I think hostel costs hostel one. I think it's just it's just the it's the women. Let's say it like reverses. And now it's like women being hunted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they got the the Bathory Hungarian fucking evil queen. Yeah. She's. Yeah. Exactly. With like the thing from the ceiling and shit. Yeah. Fucking gnarly. You know, they, you know they actually went to the Blue Lagoon in Iceland to film the scene and see when there was like, shit, that was a legit Blue Lagoon shot, by the way. I never made it out to when I was in Iceland, but I did. You did go recently I got I would love to go. Definitely. So this is not easy. Like playing this. You talked about this earlier. He's basically going to play like drunk for like the next 30 minutes of the movie. Like he's playing, but like that scaling down of drunk to where you are trash. And then you have to go down and like you're saying movie culture and I love the blow raspberries. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So he calls. Do you Max. What the who that they play. Yeah. They wanted that song specifically. He's got them by this. I know he mentions like hold him in the back. You could see some like he Madison said she comes up a little bit on the commentary or she's in the commentary. Like she said, the only way to really do this is that they actually, like, fought. Like they didn't throw punches, but they were just on the ground, like scratching each other and punching. This shit's hilarious. She hits it right here. Boom. Oh. Man. Oh, God is in there. The caddy nature of women is. It never fails to impress. I mean, yeah, strip club fight. Yeah. What the fuck? You ruined my dance, bitch. Red. Blue. I keep calling it out, but I'll stop. I mean, maybe that's your next, you know, like, the gradient wall thing. You know, I'll get one after this. Oh, my God, you imagine what it would look like. A little thing that's got a that's a good point. Yeah. We're talking about those movie palette things where they like, take, the first, like the color for main color for each scene and put it on a without you. Fucking baby. Oh, man. I'm just thinking about like the the parents section, man. It is it, it's it's done so well too, by the way. And I know I'm kind of. No, no, no big deal. I had a bad, but like, I'm just at least prefacing it like when, when that scene came along, like the mother was, was I. I've known women like that. I mean, just I'm not saying like, dating wise or anything. Even dating. Well, just real life. Yeah. In general. Like walking around hard core, like you think, you know, like like very cold. Yeah. Down to you talk about direct. I don't even know what the distinction is between cold and direct at that point. You know what would what how would have the mother. Oh yeah, it's going to play because and I will just say this, like those type of people do fucking exist. You know, in that part of the world, they are women like that. Absolutely. And I don't just want to single out and generalize. It's, you know, men as easily are like that there. But to see women in that role is, what to the Western. I may be kind of like new and like like, oh, really? No, it's definitely biased, but it is a common it can be a very common thing. I mean, he's all the dad is on his phone most of the time, which the actor requested. He wanted to like, do that. And she's the one taking charge. Yes she is. She is running shit to a degree for sure. For sure. And she's not she's she's she's being like the matriarch. Absolutely. This is the scene where you showed me that clip where? Oh, behind the scene on the criteria behind the scenes when they're rehearsing this scene, the actor who plays Garnett's like he is. He is. So the camera. It's one of the best making of I've ever seen. It's like an hour and four minutes long. And it is all from people's cell phones who were involved in production. Oh, I love that. That's it. So it's all from people's cell phones. So can you imagine, like everyone on the production crew having, like, I don't know, access like a, a Google Drive folder and you're all, like, uploading the cell phone videos you take. So it's fucking brilliant. And it really looks good. So the scene is them rehearsing and it's it's whoever shot it did a really good job because it starts rehearsing at the front, and then it goes all the way to the back of the courthouse and the actor play guard. It gets passed out snoring in the last pew and hysterical. I yeah, I remember the millions missing son of that iPhone camera. It was good fucking. It goes back to. Yeah. But for for for a second, like when you sent me that video, I thought it was like it was like you were doing jury duty or. Oh yeah, no, I don't I can like confuse as well because I'm taking a video. Video. So yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a whole we do that a lot. We'll send each other videos of what we're watching. Yeah, absolutely man. Cinephiles, man for life I know I can't help it. We ride together, we die together. Bad boys for life. I want to say to paint the picture for the listener. Igor and I do movie quotes back and forth together a lot. So I set out, a little, a wide range of DVD and Blu ray and 4K of our favorite movies that we quote back and forth. I should, I should we should we kind of like just go on a little tangent. We just introduced all the movies that we want to go in order. Yeah, I can order you. Okay. You go in order and tell me what you think we've quoted from them. This will be fun. Like if you remember the quote in general, like, like through this. Well, I mean, first of all, I'm just going to go through all the movies and whatever. Or do you want? Well, we have like, we have Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Cape Fear, Glengarry, Terminator two seven, heat, casino, Saving Private Ryan, Magnolia, collateral, Django, flight, Untouchables, scream, and The Dark Knight. Out of these, the movies that we quote from the most are fucking Goodfellas, Glengarry fucking Heath, seven casinos, big ones. Saving Pryor and Cat after that have got out like Magnolia. You know, sometimes, you know, or at least we refer to it, quite a little bit of that. Yeah, yeah. But like the other, the other ones, you know, we've seen like real locations from. So which ones like scream that. Well, dark Night we recreated some scenes. Yeah, The Untouchables, scream two and Dark Knight I have there because we visited those locations, like in Chicago. We went to The Untouchables play scream to I told this story on the part. We went to the Atlanta location, Dark Night, also Chicago. We had a fucking great time. One of my favorite things was like what? We were Chicago and we recreated the scenes from the movies from Untouchables and from The Dark Knight. So the bank heist opening scene in Have You Running Up the Steps, and I fucking like time that I filmed it just the same way. Untouchables, same thing. The sliding scene I sliding down, yeah, on a fucking fuck. What? Like what is is the gun? The best one is when you get me doing the gun thing, like I'm walking down the stairs, and then I see you filming me from way up above. And I see you up front and we recreated the Untouchables walking with the guns through LaSalle Plaza. Yep. Oh, yeah. When I walk across, when I compare that, when I compared it, it was pretty damn close to, you know, walking across. Oh, God, I love that. Yeah, we're huge cinephiles, man. So like, that's one thing that, And I'm glad that you kind of, like, did that. You were going there, I would say Glengarry and casino. We closed the most. We quote the most from that. I mean, you on your way over here, you texted me. Fuck. All right. Because I know you did. Because fuck or walk you close or you hit the bricks. Fuck you. That's my name. And I know what you'd be saying. Bunch of losers sitting around in the bar. Yeah, I used to be a salesman. It's tough racket. I love that fucking. You know, Baldwin should have fucking, like, gotten been nominated for it. Like he should have. Like, what was it, like ten minutes max every time he like. Like he should have fucking at least got an Oscar for that. That's my name. But then I had these up, and I know it's a little bit in the intro, but you and I, I've never met someone where we do. We don't do obvious quote. We do like the most obscure call, I guess. Herbert in two. It's like visiting hours oh seven over here. And you know, this is you know, what is this is this is, you know, like, well, it's funny because somebody's got somebody. So it's very interesting that you mentioned this because I was literally like last week and I had, I quoted something to my friend, it's like from seven. I said like, well, that was money well spent. I was like, and he, he started like trolling me with like, well, where is that from? I was like, you expect me to know that? I'm like, I don't expect you to know that at all. It's just like quoted all the time. I would fucking know. But you, you would know it. But you think he may know? Think you help yourself. Yeah, that was funny. But no, you came up to me one time and you were like, what movie is this from? We'll take care of him. And I was. They care up. Oh, man. Well, that's one of the things being a fucking cinephile, man. It's like it always it always the end. The more movies you watch, the more is going to stay with you, you know, especially I talk to my wife because she's not a cinephile, and she knew that I was into movies when we got together. But she will just come out of my mouth sometimes and she'll just shake her head. So the other day, that's one of the reasons I put it up there. She she was like, oh, Memorial Day is coming up. Like, she said something and I was like, yeah, I'm actually excited for August because I come August, we celebrate that be my big fat fucking sausage. She was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And I was, oh, that's big. No, no. Yeah, it's a nice mix. Magnolia. Oh, God. Enjoy LA entirely and generally. Oh yeah. So we're we're pretty much in a very important background. Nora. Yeah, that was Nora last meeting her last act. Essentially, this is the I love that shot of Taurus when he's, like, kind of nervous of them getting their, you know, in pushes in on him and she's just. Yeah. Yeah. I love that stepping on the step. Like pushing it down. Oh man. Matriarch she comes. You're coming in the background. What the fuck are you doing on television anyhow? You know what? I get calls. I'm back home in the fucking day. They tell me what that shit. Back home years ago. But yeah, I love that the title of the title card is to go Back home years ago, man, as a priest. Yeah. So he's a very famous actor in Russia. Actually, the I forgot his name was. Oh, it's like, I think it's Alexandra or something. I think his initials are, as American audiences might know, him. He was the main heavy in the Bob Odenkirk action movie. Nobody. Nobody. Yes, he was a nobody. Alexei, celebrate a celebrity. Okay. Yeah. So he he's a very is a very famous actor back in Russia. And he was obviously in that, Leviathan. Leviathan. Yeah. Which is a great movie. But it's interesting that they got him in this film and he virtually has no speaking time, you know? Okay, if you've killed a few lines. Yeah. Sean Baker wanted him, and he read the script and he basically said, why do you want me to do this? Like what? Wait, what do I add? And he goes into your presence. Like, you see that? All you're talking about? Yes. Actually, I did want to bring this up. I thought as a as your typical American cinephile, that these two parents were going to be like, I don't know, someone really, like, big, like a famous name, and they not Russians, but they would be doing Russian accents. But to see that he stuck with this authenticity. Brilliant. And to know that these are two really renowned actors in Russia. So yeah, that that again adds to it. And I love that he's on his phone the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that he left you for last 16. And you know, he's. Something he's afraid for too long. So this is because you know like dude I, it's so interesting because a lot of their relationship is implied in, in this like the last 30 minutes I would say, or whatever, however long is left in this movie. But you know, the the husband, you know, I'm talking the parents of Vanya. You you can you can tell like, you know, they probably fell in love early and stuff like that. And, at some point they just you just like, I'm not going to fucking fight with her anymore. Yeah. Look like I'm a I'm good. Whatever. Whether he had the money or maybe they both did. She sounds like she's into fashion in some degree because he's like, this is from the New line. So yeah, it's part of it's like, let's not fight. It's this little. Oh, and he calls the the Night butterfly there, which I guess is a popular Russian term for prostitute. I didn't really night night butterfly or I guess it said a lot or something. I learned that from the culture in much, much nicer. Because I've tried to show butterflies throughout the. She has, like, butterfly tattoos on the back of her thighs. Like that. They've been trying to bring in butterflies. We'll see that that like, I wish I could speak on that, like I must be. I mean, I hate on that, but, like, that would kind of like. I mean, there's a there's certain ways that you would call, you know, prostitutes or names, like, they would like literally one of the ways to call a prostitute in Russia is also put, which is a very Italian word. You know those. That sounds like it. Yeah. But Donna is like a, like a prostitute, like, you know, a prostitute. You know, all that shit. Oh, I do love this scene right here. I know, look, I think the ego is always in the back. Yeah, and I studying, just listening. And there it is. Yeah, I it's fun for my American junk. Thanks, girl. Girl, my house is okay, girl. Oh, yeah. He really I mean the compassion that's going to come very much. On his face from now basically to the end. Yeah. This is this is definitely where everything comes into focus is in the last act. This movie. Well it's been a big question for people or kind of a fun prompt like when did you know that you were cared for her was thinking about her. And I think for a lot of the for a lot of people, it's when he pours her that drink on this plane. I was kind of getting little hints earlier, basically just talking about. But what do you know, when he does that, you're like, oh, okay, okay. That was the first in here. You're like, she's just pretty much blatant, you know, example of like him, just like, yeah, I care for you a little bit more, you know, like you would believe. But I love that little moment. You know, when he just laughs like, yeah, like so you can like that's exactly how you should speak. Like I respect that. Yeah. Stand up to her. Like. Exactly. But then you know she's, she's come up with the truth. Like they definitely have enough money to bury this poor girl forever. And, and they're like the Russian oligarchs. She's, she's, she's the evil one like the father. Probably if it was just the father, I'm pretty fucking sure if he was just a father, like come in through, like he'd be like, all right, let's just fucking take care of this. Like, what do you need? Like, how do we, like, do you guys love each other? Is it real now? Okay, whatever. How much you need? Yeah, that's my all right. Cool. He wouldn't give her all the bullshit, right? More. I think it's a little bit more like there's more of that. You know, female competition, cattiness. Yeah. Level two. It where like, the the move between the mother and her and, Yeah. Does this know you're. I pick up on that, too. Like, you got to earn your place here, sweetheart. You can't just marry into this. This isn't how this works. Listen, you little shit. Got our necks in the back. They're getting drunk. Keep in mind, his character supposed to be sober, but now he's on the. I love when the mom. When, another comes and he's bitching about the mob. Just puts her hands up like c, c, c, and, mad spoils you by that I love this. He's like, he's drunk, but then he does the same thing. He leans over. It's like, it's so nice to be sitting with you all. Yeah. And eager is always taking, you see, like he's he's always. And he's always on point man. He's sharp. Like you know we haven't seen him drink do drugs. Nothing. He's just been ex. He's been responsible like. Yeah that's it. And he's always in the back I just love the framing like you. It's such a very it's a very nuanced type of like framing. But he's always in the background. I look at that always either out of focus, looking into the their direction, looking at a Nora, you know, always observing and listening. This is what I read, though I think they all do not parents, but I think the other three guys come to respect her. I mean, obviously you heard he does. But yeah, I think. But I do love like how everything it kind of set in for her, you know, at this point you know in the airplane and it's just like, all right, it's becoming crystal clear then. Right? She might. She must. She's probably going to walk away from this is the ten Grand Tour producer. This I will say though, like him, you know, he's teary eyed. Friends, I love that detail. Fucking love that. This is very good. This is this is very good example of the relationship between, Russian parents and their children, especially, like post-Soviet. I mean, it's fucking probably was happening in Soviet, but like. They're too harsh on their kids, you know? So this is no, no wonder why he's out there partying and fucking being crazy. He, you know, he's he's probably always being told what to fucking do and like how to live his life. And like, this is now this is what you're going to do with your life. Just like how they come up. And even Taurus is like, well, this is what you're going to do. You're going to get it annulled. This is what's going to happen, is that mentality is like, you tell people what to do so you don't give them enough freedom to like, discover themselves or like pick their lane, so to speak. So like I thought that was very interesting, just that little moment there. No, I love that that he's so riled up. Yeah. It's like yeah. He's like he's he's in. He's probably he doesn't probably doesn't have that against his father. But like he's, he's like, you know whoever is the agitator you know Las Vegas baby. Yeah. Different setting them before they're, you know, different circumstance is sleeping. Yeah. Man, have you been to Vegas? I yes, I have, I feel like you'd like it. I've been there twice. I want to say twice like twice. Yeah. There we go. I come full circle, dude. Yeah. Have to. They're twice. Like I say, they're in the stratosphere in the background. It's cool. It's not the nicest place, but it was cool to stay there, so. Okay, so here's the thing. Like, I might brag a little bit, but I'll go for a tangent. But like when I was in Vegas, I was working for a different company and like I was the DP, right? So like we were filming stuff and we were in an Uber right? Helicopter. Uber. Right. And whoa. And we were, we were showing, we were being shown the fucking Vegas skyline at night. And so they flew around the stratosphere. And what I did was I put my camera to like six by six, as Tony Scott calls it. Yeah, six frames per second where it gets that jittery. And I and I replicated the frames around the stratosphere. Oh, man, I want to see that. I gotta check that fucking helicopter in my life. And you've been for, like, two different jobs at least. Well, at this point, I've been on a helicopter like three fucking. Well, there's a four. You got you. That's awesome though. Oh, yeah. She's not. She is. She has resigned completely. Yeah, she gets that. She's going to sign this, court and whatever we call it, I'm starlet as well. Okay. I'm gonna take pictures of just for profit, you know, because. Oh, yeah. It's this. Oh, this is great. Yeah. She's surprised. Like. Oh. Those though I love the dead. That's like. Wow. What a good detail. I mean, I saw this with some of this a few times in the theater. And the detail of the dad, he's so amused. Nora. Looks boom coming back, kid. Oh. Exactly. Yeah. Just like you said. Exactly. I guess he's like. Yeah. You know equal rights, equal less. Yeah. I love this. That's enough. That's that. Yeah. It's like shut up. Okay. Thank you so much man. The suit's been on a plane for, like, 15 hours. He doesn't give a shit. He's like, just give me home. You're going to come work for me, little shit. But I like this little detail. You can say the whole. You can say the house tonight. You got to be gone in the morning. I'll take it to the bank. Oh, man. That scene, that whole blast, act well, okay, so by here, the first time I saw the movie, I know, I can feel. Oh, God. Look at her face. That. Oh, yeah. You see, you see that? Like, the nuance is. She's like, that's what these are glasses on. But anyway, I just know because it's over. Yeah. That's why she can't figure. She can't because she's got like that cathartic. Well it's not yet catharsis. Well I mean it's going to be at the end. But anyway, you were saying it was the first time I saw this movie. I knew by this point that this isn't going to end with her dying. Like they're not going to go back and die, but I had no idea where we were going. And I believe from here the next cut is going to be her. I think it's the next cut is her smoking a blunt, and then when she passes that off and we realize it's him, I was like, what the fuck is going on? How is this going to resolve? And I there's no there's no recess of my imagination that could have predicted where this is going to go. And I think this ending really hit a lot of people. This is their other bathroom here, right? Not right. You're right about that. Yeah. Because I remember when I was in the theater, I had no idea where this was going towards the very end, like we all, we knew that she's staying all this, staying by her. So it was wrong. It didn't cut her in the shower, then pass in the blood. But I remember that cut of her passing and it was like, oh, there it is. And then of course, I think, okay, are they going to like, hook up? Is it going to go bad? Is it whatever? And then it pulls you like, no, they don't hook up and then it ends with them doing it. But in a way you would never, ever expect. Well that was happy birthday. Happy birthday to me. No. I love the way she says fucking right here. I was 30. Yeah. And you know it's like hey what a birth. You'll never forget that birthday. I think I want to introduce this now. What does there's no right or wrong answer to this, the end of this movie. What does it mean to you? There's no right or wrong answer. There just isn't like it's a new chapter of, like, two people's lives. I mean, that's to me, that's the. I've always seen that ending. Like, I, you know, I choose to interpret it that way because to me is the most clearest, like way this is going to end. I mean, of course you can. You can argue it, you know, other ways. But to me is the and this is your name. This is your name. Yeah. Because I did do that shit the first time that my name. And I was like, yeah, it actually does mean to the first. But you look, it is a fucking, you know, like, what is it, Frank? Young Frankenstein bullshit. You know, the first time I saw this movie, obviously. I love that douche. I said, it's my wife also. Touche. Yeah. Touche. Yeah. Also really great detail. Oh, yeah. He does realize the way he's trying to tell a joke up here, like you two to, fucking. I can't do it. It's not funny. Well, what's interesting about that two thing is, like, I remember at first, like, learning, like, English and stuff, like, I, like you know, the word tomatoes. Yeah. Tomato. Tomato. But the way I thought, the way I would like, like, would like when I write it, I was like tomatoes. It's how it looks. It's how it looks like tomatoes, you know? So, like when I, when I heard this in the movie two, I was like, yeah, that's like how I would read it. Yeah. You know, and I love this detail because it is a true like among smoker culture, if you care for the person, your friend, you know, mainly around friends or people you care for, like you would like, light up, know, like one form that you like, you do it and then you pass out. Like in the beginning it looks like, what is he, a fucking double chain smoking and stuff like that. But it's like, no, no, you know, she's. Yeah. He knows she smokes of smoke together. So yeah, he passes it off and he looks up her name I mean this I love the, the, the name aspect of this because I love name movies. My partner has been like, I don't like name movies, but he loves this one because it actually, you know, we've heard her referred to. Oh yeah. Thinks Verdugo is Annie the whole time now Nora. And he's like, I like Nora better. Yeah, yeah, I like a Nora, I love it. And then him, he he takes he takes a pause. He takes that. Yeah. I like a more douche. Douche. Woke up like a douche in the middle of the night. And then. I don't think we did a Raging Bull quote. I put that one up there because we were like it over. Cuz you're cooking the over cook. It's not a good cook. It is so good because like a piece of chalk. Oh, bring it. All right, all right. Every time. Have you ever seen the Flintstones version of the computer? Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, hilarious. I love that. I just tried to support you. Yeah. See, she's still focusing on the wrong things. Exactly. And that's why he laughs. He's like what you and I it might be my favorite line in the movie is that when he says you were never endanger like we were never going to hurt you. Exactly. He didn't know that. The audience didn't know that. She's like I'm not a rapist. And you see, you know, and this is kind of like, I do appreciate the scene. And I like that, you know what they're done with that Norris character is like, women will always feel unsafe, but they just don't understand that, like, men never want to, like, actually damage or cause any violence to women. Good men don't. But they they they always have this idea. I don't know where they get this idea that, like, all men are terrible and like, this is kind of the rub presented to Nora. She's always, like, cautious. Oh, yeah. She may have been served that. Never her personal experience. Yeah, yeah. So she has her guard up and all this stuff, but. Right. I mean, yeah, I love that crazy, too. You took. I know you don't want to generalize, but I think there's some truth in what you're saying of, like, the not feeling safe and speaking from radically personal experience with my in my marriage, my wife I love a lot that yeah, when we started out it was it was a lot of that, like, men are shit. I don't trust any of them ever. And I'm like, well, I'm I'm just a dude. Like, I'm just here. Like, I can't speak for everyone else you've dated, but exactly like, yeah, I am coming with good earnest and honest intentions and yeah, you get it sucks what you've been through. So yeah yeah yeah yeah. And I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll I love this phrase. So confused. He's like he said like why do you think I would know. Tell. And. And the way she's acting here she's like she cast also defiant. We have rape eyes like raped ice rape. That is a rape that is. You. Oh, man. Man watching compartment number six just opened it. Opened them up. So much for me. Like he's so good and that I was such a good movie. I'm so glad. I'm really. I'm really happy that you like that. Yeah, I rewatched it when you showed me that clip. When you sent it to me, I was like, okay, I'm going to rewatch this before I record this commentary. And I think that Compartment Number six is a good companion piece to an hour. Yeah, it is, it is. That's what Sean made her soul and wanted to cast him for. Based off of that. Yeah, yeah, it's he's great in it. Such a also very tragic story. You know, you look at it. That was only my second time watching it again yesterday, but that that ending is a kind of equivalent to, you know, a Nora's ending in a in a very different way. It's two people who are troubled. You know, it's only, the the genders are kind of like a little bit reversed. And in the scenario. Yeah, I really liked it, though, for that reason. And I love that shot in, compartment number six where, like, she hugs him and it takes that moment and like, you can see he's like he's got tears in his eyes. Yeah. That should have him making snowballs, throwing them up in the air and then punching them himself and kicking them himself. I went I don't know I've ever seen anyone do that or I don't know if I've ever seen that in a movie before dying laughing. I love the scene in in that movie also like, when she gets that camera wrapped and oh, this shot, it's the shot from the back of the train. Yep. Yeah. Like a good minute. And it's just voiceover. I love cinema like that. Oh beautiful. Right. Yeah. That's beautiful and all. It's what I say. It's real snow I mean it's it's. Oh no I'll say it's practical snow. It was like from it's fake snow from snow machines. There's no CGI. That's all I'm saying. But it's not. It wasn't actually snowing. So that should. You know, lend itself to the quality production of the film. Oh, there's no here. Like, they're just artificial. Exactly. But not CG, because they don't want to use, you know, CG same with the shit. Yeah. Yeah. Really looks like it's snowing. Everything of the ending. There's a train again. You know, the train going by everything of the ending. So precise that, like I said, shot it for three days in two different locations. The sun was a problem. All the snow, you see, like there's people sitting on the fucking roof of the car throwing snow off. And he had it all scripted perfectly. Oh, this look. Oh my God when she looks at the camera. I love that Jesus Christ Jonathan. Demi. Yeah. Breaking the fourth wall there. You know next fucking empathy and compassion on his face. Just this one little thing. Boom. It's Titanic moment. Don't pull us. Yeah. To me this ending represents a little bit of what you just said. When I watched the movie, I thought pretty firmly that this movie was not about Annie and Vanya. This movie's been about a Nora meeting, and Nora and, you know Igor like that. Now, what will become of this relationship? Who knows? Maybe it lasts their lifetime, maybe less a week. I don't know who knows, but that is what I was left with. With the movie, with Stalin. Then she's she's opened herself. She's for the first time. We, as the audience have seen her fully reveal herself is right here in the end. So I don't know what of it. It's a new chapter, as you said. Definitely. Yeah. And like, I don't know, I, I'm for some reason this movie makes me feel like this, this type of ending is like, this is, this is definitely here to stay. Like, the relationship is. It's not like a week. No. You know. No, I want to believe that this is so deep that, you know, like earlier, I said, like, she, you know, like, all women kind of want to find their Prince Charming, and they're looking in the wrong places, I want to say. And here's a Prince Charming, literally, if you, you know, kind of like, shed all the, you know, superficial shit, from it, like the basic, essential things that like, you know, a woman kind of like, would want protection, you know, caring, all of that stuff. Like, he kind of has that in there. And I want to believe that they have a happy ending outside of this film. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's why we're left with what we're left with. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I think. I've talked to a lot of people who are like, no, that she just goes back home and they never see each other again. And I go, man, that is not it. Yeah, I don't see it that well. I'm not the most like, I don't know, optimistic person, but I, I just don't get that from it all. I do not get hope and despair. Or rather I do not get despair and desperation. From the end of this movie, I get a sense of hope for rebirth of, you know. Exactly. Yeah. And then, you know, that's that's and you know, like you it's not only that, like watching this movie like, you know, like if you have experienced dating, you know, and just being in relationships and stuff. So like, you know that after this moment and after this type of experience, there's going to be a connection there, whatever, whatever comes of it, you know, whether it works or whether it doesn't. After this moment, there's going to be like, hey, you up, you know, really good point that we don't talk about a lot in the past is like taking this. Like if we actually think about what we're seeing right now, this if this was real and this happened and you, me, whatever. Ignore it. You're not going to forget this. Like it's going to change your life. It's going to be such an emotional connection that you're going to feel with someone that, no, there's no way. She just walks back into her apartment and never speaks to this guy again. And then there's no end here and no way after that. Cut to black, there's no end. It's it's there's a continuation continuation relationship. And, you know, I, I, you know, I want to believe that it's one of those things that you tell to your, you know, grandkids, as we always like to say, but, like, you know, I also do think that, like, it could be something like, you know, like, hey, maybe it doesn't work out. You don't know at the end of the day, but it's still not something that you walk away from. And just like, all right, he helped me out, like, what do you are you really that cold? You know, this person kind of, like, helped you out in, in so many ways and supported you. And like, you know, you obviously are attracted to each other, you know. Yeah. She breaks when he tries to kiss her. I love the and he does the grandkids. Oh no he doesn't. But I love the idea of the grandkids stories. You know, it's like 40 years from now. How'd you guys meet? Well, yeah, we met one crazy ass night on your daddy. Your granddaddy's 30th birthday. It was a wild night. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. Wild. Now, we went from coast to coast. Exactly, exactly. We weren't even together. By the end of that time. We were. Yeah, just fighting back, taking a little agency. And he's not. Yeah. He's just he's he's more scared. Yeah. All this was so carefully scripted. The sound, even when we go to black, like how it's still just the windshield wipers in the car. Oh, I remember when I first saw this, man, I fucking cried. And the second time I showed it to my friend, I cried at the. So I'm kind of tearing up right now, but because I've, you know, I'm kind of like used to this already. It's well, we're also talking about it, but yeah, like alone, like you really you feel the, the emotional weight of it, man? Yep. There it is. Like. I mean, this is the most perfect way to do this. It's fucking perfect. It never brings up music. Never. It's just boom. There you go. And it's not a long credits because it's, you know, an indie movie with not a lot of, if any, CGI. So. I mean, I love the sound of engines. Yeah, the engine. Olivia Cavanaugh, that was his car, I believe. Yeah. So that engine is real. Sean Baker did the cast me, and that's his wife, Samantha. And so they did all the casting themselves. Ryan with an H. Ryan is Ryan and Rachel are names. It can be spelled Warum Smith. Ron I love we love picking out names. You know, I listen to your, you know, the commentary for The Thin Red line. You know, Dick white, Dick white, find Dick white, Harrison, Christian. Luke, boom. Dick like, was a good one. It was fairly good. Wait. I'm sorry. Dick. When he was dick. Wait. Not was Dick. Wait. I'm sorry. Wait. How came full circle all the way to fucking a Nora. From one commentator, we saw his name. Alex Coco. Is he a producer? So he was okay. He cornered that helicopter drinks thing. Died when we got there, I guess. Oh, that was a lot of fun. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, this is one of the greatest times I've had, you know? Yeah, for doing that film, honestly, that hard five. Do you see that fucking system? Yeah. I swear it said that. Oh, my God, when they pay, like 15, five bucks for for the truck with licensing case, it's probably a little bit more. That's true. Like 60. Oh, man. Holy shit. No, this was great. I'm glad we did this. Any last thoughts on the film or anything like that? No. I'm just I mean, as far as it goes with the podcast, we've had such a long journey with this one. We don't want to let Nora die, and I hope, I mean, this movie is on Hulu, so I hope people have watched along with us and enjoyed what we've brought to it. But I'm really thankful for you doing this. And you brought you definitely brought a lot of shit to myself. And I imagine a lot of our listeners would not have known about it at all. And I appreciate that a lot. Well, you know, I'm grateful for this opportunity, but, dude, I could do this every weekend and you'll probably hear different tidbits about stuff, you know, about this movie and you know, all that shit. Now, this was great. Where the hood at? The met her through the, We'll do that. Play Gary Glen Roth on that. Oh my God. Holy shit. Okay. Yeah. Fuck you. You will be with you in a second. I will be with you are what you hired me for is to help us. Not fuck up to help men who are trying to earn a living. You fairy. You company man. You got me, man. I want to have you Shia. Boondock. That's their dog. Boondock Baker clown was their dog and I love that. There it is. What a beautiful film. And thank you, Sean Baker. Damn right. I definitely call Bob Odenkirk Bob Odenkirk at some point. Sorry, Bob. All right. What do we think more commentaries with your. Thanks everyone for listening next time. Well, next time is a big one. The most influential filmmaker of my lifetime, certainly over my own filmmaking. The great Steven Soderbergh, Nick and I tackling all 35 films. Wow. So excited for the next episode. And as always, thanks for listening and happy watching. To me shine the light on us. Greatest day. Light up, light up, shine the light. Hey everyone! Thanks again for listening. Send us mailbag questions at What Are You Watching podcast at gmail.com or find us on Twitter, Instagram and Letterboxd at WRI w underscore podcast. Next time Steven Soderbergh. Every movie, all the career changes. It's a monster episode and a perfect way to celebrate five years of podcasting with what are you watching? July 2020 was our first episode five years. Stay tuned. Oh, and, Tonight, shine a light on our greatest day. Starts to light up. Light up, shine the light on us.