141: Phantom Thread (2017)

The great Mikki Hernandez joins Alex and Nick to break down Paul Thomas Anderson's “Phantom Thread.” They discuss their favorite PTA films, Daniel Day-Lewis co-writing the movie, Lesley Manville, Vicky Krieps, Oscar-winning costumes, breakfast, relationships, marriage, fragile male egos, DDL’s retirement (?), and much more.
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Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex Witt. Throw it up. Joined by my best man, Nick, though. So how are you doing there, Reynolds Woodcock? Who doing gun? I was surrounded on all sides. Where's your gun? Have you come to kill me? Your gun. I'm excited to be here. I'm very excited. For lots of reasons. Yes, for lots of reasons. For lots. I'm talking about a great movie today. Talking about a great one. And we have a first time guest. New friend of the pod. The great Mickey Hernandez is here. Hi, Mickey. Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me. Wait, am I a first time guest ever? No, no, no, we've had guests. But you. It's your first time bringing your new guest to our listeners. I'm not a special. Yeah, I was going to say. Wait a minute. Oh. You're special. Wait a minute. This is the first time we've had. We're getting into gender right away. A woman, female, okay, a female guest about a movie. Because I've had other women on talk about TV. Sorry. I'm trying to make it special. I'm trying to make it special. Hailing. All right. Okay. It's 2024, and I'm the first woman to talk about film. It's not. Hate me to set it up for you. It's okay, I walk, I see. I was happy that I was into that. Oh, no. Oh, Jesus. How do we know? Our guest, Nick? We know our guests. Because Mickey is an actor in Los Angeles. And, we met at a play in Farragut North in 2017. And if I may gush a little bit, but, I remember we were auditioning and they were just, like, filtering in, like, just matching people up. And so we were just going in with different people for every single scene. And every time that I read with you, I was like, this is like the best. And we didn't even know each other. We just met for this audition, and I think we read like twice. And I was like, man, if I get cast, I really hope it's her. And you did. And you are 1,000% my favorite person to act with. And, and that's held true for all the times that we've done it. And, so I love that you're here and, Yeah, that's all I going to say. Thank you so much, Nick. It's like, very, very special. Thank you. And it's crazy because that was actually my first play I ever auditioned. Yep, yep. I'm kind of like a late actor, late bloomer. And I loved that play. And it was so fun to work with you, because, I mean, if you're not familiar, Farragut North is just great. It's basically like House of cards, but in play form. Same writer and writer. Yeah. And Nick is like this very slimy, politician dude who really wants to impress everybody. And I am, like, the young intern. Yeah, he uses my sexuality for good. Yeah, well, that's how I interpreted it. Never did. Your character. Yeah, I did March the. Yes, yes, you're Ryan Gosling ish. You're Evan Rachel ish. It's like it wasn't. It's a very different. It is. I mean, I went and played you guys right. Yeah. It was very different. Yeah. The movie they, they kind of make the main character. Gosling plays a good guy, right? You were more of an the play. He's absolutely not a good guy whatsoever. So it's kind of cool. Yeah. You were so nice in person that I was like, wow, this is how actors this is like, you don't have to be an asshole to play this. And it's fun. You can actually find joy in it. Yeah. And you made it such a fun experience because it was, you know, it's community theater. And I was very new, but you were very professional and encouraging the whole time. And then we stayed friends after, which doesn't always happen with the cast. But no, we were just talking about this yesterday. How usually, like, you work on like a film set or like a play and everyone has like these grand ideas, that's like, all right, we're still going to keep in touch. And and they're well-intentioned. Like, I don't think there's any time that you don't want to actually still be in touch with these people, but you share, like, this very concentrated bond over a certain period of time where it's really takes over your whole entire life. So it matters in that time. But then when it's over, that shared commonality, it doesn't really exist anymore. Exactly. So it's it's no one's fault. It's just sort of like, oh, what are we going to talk about? And just sort of like catch you down the road. But yes, you have stayed friends and I love that. Yeah, yeah. And then I get introduced into this because I'm going to come out and see the play. I left L.A. and then I came out with seeing you in the play and you were raving about her. You're like, man, wait till you see her, wait till you see her. And then short. So I come, I see it. I mean, I had no idea you guys had met before that I missed that, and I had no idea that was your first play, Mickey? None. So that's cool, I didn't know. Yeah, yeah. Like that. You met you after, you know. Hi. Hi. This, that and then not. It was just a few months later when I wrote I'm Alive and we, you know, you were playing me, Nick. And then I needed someone to play my then girlfriend, now wife alley. And you recommended Mickey right away, and you were like, oh, she might be busy because she like books a lot, right? Here we go. So I just offer it to you. You didn't even have to audition, and you came and crushed it. And in what I tell Nick all the time. And I hope I told you this, I hope I relayed this to you. You are the the actor. When I was editing, like, when we were there on the day, there's just so much going on and I'm filming and his emotion has to be there. And there's this sound guy and it's this, there's a lot going on. And then in editing, I was like, Holy shit, she's constantly making choices in your face, like constantly. So I so the final sequence in the movie, I edited it to you and the strength of your character in your acting. And it it just worked. It worked so well. And I love I'm so in love with your performance in that movie. So yeah. And then we stayed cool, which is great. Thank you. So much. Oh, you guys are both hyping me up. Yes. But I will say like, I don't know, as an actor I watch a lot of interviews, you know, of actors talking about directors and who they work with and to me, like the dream scenario has always been to have real conversations with the director and really, like, hash out the character together and like, explore and feel free. And Alex, you definitely provided that type of like scenario and it was such a dream to work on it, especially playing someone who is like, you know, your wife, right? Right. Sure. Yeah. And I got very, very like protective over that and really making sure that I did service to the character and to your story because it was so personal. But I also felt total freedom as an artist to like, explore and dive deep and play it. So yeah, it was incredible. I see all that when I, when I rewatch it to like, I see, yeah, I see all that stuff. Oh, it's just great. And the three of us are. This is not done. We are not done collaborating. I'm making that right now. Declaring that declaring to Cliff, speaking it into existence. Declarative statement. Yes, yes. Really quick, I just want to frame one more story from that which I loved was I remember like when we got to the set to shoot that day, they were you and the sound guy were figuring stuff out. We were basically like rehearsing because he was gonna have to be behind me the whole time. Yeah. So we were doing like, a dance walk through. Yeah. And so I was like, do you want to, like, read through this at all? Because we hadn't, like, you and I had not talked. We had not really met about that. So yeah, we hadn't we hadn't done anything like basically the thing like we went out to dinner like the night before and, but we didn't really talk about the movie at all. So I was like, do you want to like, talk about anything? And you were just sort of like, no. And I go, yeah, me neither. And then we, we literally, like, sat down on the couch to start the scene. And I think we did a run through. Yeah. You're doing a run through and we got like, I don't know however many lines in. And you were just sort of like, okay, we're doing right now. You stop and save it. And yeah, yeah, it was perfect. We just didn't we didn't need to do anything. We. Yeah. You just there about four takes. It was great. It was amazing. And actually the movie we're talking about today, Phantom Thread, is connected to I'm alive to me a little bit, because when the first scene we shot, when Mickey flew and then we picked her up at the airport, and then it was chapter four where you're talking with, you know, doing the speech and, home at the hospital bed and on the way there, Mickey was like, I just saw Phantom Thread for the first time, and we were talking about it. The. Are you serious? I swear, not in the first thing you asked me about. You were like, how the hell did they do those car shots? And I was like, I thought how the rig system would have worked. And because, you know, the camera's like stabilized but still shaking. So yeah, we were literally talking about it on the way. Okay, this now I'm remembering that you're saying, yeah, well, so I when we were like, how do we pick a movie for this? Yeah. We were like, let's. And what I told Nick, as I said, I know for sure one movie she likes is Phantom Thread. Oh my God. And I do know this would be in your top. Like, so we'll get it. Yeah. We were like, send us a few options. So you sent us a few and then locked on Phantom Thread and here we are. Wow. God, I love this. It's the right. I just got chills. That's crazy. I didn't even realize that connection. Yeah, yeah. Such a good movie, right? To talk about it. Ish sort deeper up a little more. I'm ready. We got ready. I think you got. What was the first time everyone saw this? You will actually wait a minute. This asshole. Oh my God. Yeah. So you saw this one first? Yeah. And he's blowing me up like you're not going to believe you're going to fucking love this. Oh, my God, you're going to love it. And then I did see it. And we'll get into it like the what this movie means to me personally. But yeah, it was in the theater. I thought 2017 was like an okay movie year. And when that final title card credit came up, it's put my hand on my heart and I was like, oh my God, I love this film. So I loved it the first time I saw it. Like, loved it right away. You two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. First time I saw it was, you went to some special screening. It was like a month before it actually came out, and, and it was like. I think it was at the Arrow Theater in Santa Monica. And, yeah, it was just beautiful. And it resonated with me in a very specific way, because I was in a relationship at that time. And it was tumultuous, and I was sort of like, oh man, this movie is like hitting on a lot of different, like, like threads right now. Literally. You like that? I do, nailed that one. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. And, and then but what's cool is like, over time, I've seen this movie three times now, and I still have that relationship to it, but it's also like evolved with time two. And, that's where I think it's such a testament to this movie. It's like it can mean a lot of different things. Definitely. Yeah. And it's funny because I actually couldn't remember when I first saw it, but it must have been when it just came out. You're like, yeah, so and and even when you asked me to, you know, jot down some of my favorite movies, I've always had this on my list and sometimes I'm like, is it just because it's like PTA or like, why is it? And then I watched it again a couple days ago, probably haven't seen it in like a couple of years. And immediately I was like, yes, like, I love this movie because I don't know, it just to your point, like, it changes over time in terms of how many relationships you've been through or like the different dynamics that you've experienced. And just like growing up, I feel like I get this movie like a different version every time. And totally. Yeah. So I, I think I'm always fascinated in like, dramas specifically about like relation, like romantic relationships and the dynamics between like men and women in those. So I yeah, I can't remember why I initially liked it, but I mean, we'll get into like why I like it now. So. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. All that's those are all the reasons I like the two and. All right. So before we get to the movie PTA, are you a fan? Oh, fan. Yeah, yeah I am. I feel like earlier things versus recent. Yeah. Like Boogie Nights are one of my favorites. It's just. And it's funny cause I didn't see it when it first came out. I kind of came to it later, and I always knew that, like, guys like that, yeah, I watch, I was like, okay, this is why, like, I get it. Yeah. And then there Will Be Blood. I saw that movie by myself. I think I was like, when did that come out? I must be in high school or something. Yeah, I was in high school. Went by myself like one of the first times I had ever done that. Oh, and remember sitting there and being like, how in the world can I be in movies like this? Like it was so slow and so intense, but so layered and complicated that I like, I don't know, I was just like, intrigued on, like a filmmaking level. So yeah, became a fan, the master like, I can't that one just like, fucked me up. I grew up religious. I was just like, nah, but, but yeah, this one I think is my favorite. This is my favorite PTA. Really? Really. Oh, yeah, I love that. Nice. I want to do that now. I want to hear I mean, we've done a PTA pod. We did it. There will be blood commentary, which was a lot of fun. This man, it's like the one I think I've seen the most is probably Boogie Nights. I just had that on repeat, like a lot. Taught me a lot about filmmaking. I think the best movie he's made is there Will Be Blood, like the objective filmmaking best. Yeah, and I think this is my favorite. I think Phantom Thread is really favorite. It means so much to me, so much. It's tough though. I like all of its movies. Yeah, The master is wild. Yeah, well, it's interesting because I, I think you with there Will Be Blood like of what we're all saying is like that movie is so such a good movie in terms of how it's made. Right. Like cinema. Yes, exactly. But there's not a lot to really relate to. Like when you watch them, they're Phantom Thread like you can actually take this movie and actually apply it to your own experiences. I don't know how many revenge stories, but you know what they did almost. Yeah, exactly. But, they're all gone and and that does kind of like always bring up an interesting question when you're watching a movie is like, is this the type of movie that I can sit back and just take in its story and not bring myself to it? Or is this one where I'm like, oh no, I'm bringing myself to it, and I like that. Yeah, yeah, very, very. I don't even know how you kind of if you're a filmmaker, you go about knowing that this is what you're doing because you it's like a book to like sometimes you're being told a story, but then sometimes you are the story. Yeah. This was developed because he got really sick and his wife Maya Rudolph was taking care of him. And he said he hadn't seen that. The look of love and concern in her face in years and she just really like cared for him. And then of course PTA puts this in his head and makes it about like, you know, poisoning each other. But, you know, he gets 35 million. That's a second highest budget ever. His biggest budget was Magnolia at 37 million. He still aren't like crazy big numbers. I don't know how much his most recent one is. So he gets this idea and he and Daniel Day-Lewis are friendly from there Will Be Blood, and he's like, do you want to do this? And what PTA still says is that he and DDL wrote the screenplay together. Wow. DDL refused credit. He really didn't want it. Yeah, yeah. So they I don't know who's actually doing the typing or the writing, but it was a lot of it was Daniel Day-Lewis. The name Reynolds Woodcock was Daniel Day-Lewis. His idea? I was like, that's such a PTA. I don't want it to PTA with dad. He's like, what about Reynolds Woodcock? That's. Yeah, sure, let's do it. And when we were talking earlier about how this movie changes, so I, I've seen this three times this week. So I watch it. I've seen it quite a few times. I was watching it on the plane out here, even though I did two days ago. So I rewatched it yesterday and I was watching a few things on the plane related to some parts. Were recording this weekend. This one I was like dying laughing because I think it is there, so it's hilarious. It's so fucking funny. I think it's the funniest. It's not really known. It's like comedy. He can always do kind of funny stuff where I mean even looks he gives in gangs of New York are like, what on earth are you talking about? Like, that's funny. Thank you, thank you. Oh, but I yeah, I think he's hilarious in this. And that's one of the things I keep getting drawn back to over and over. So, that's what I remembered when I rewatched it recently, because I think the last time I saw it was a few years ago, and I was in a relationship, and I was like, showing it to my boyfriend at the time was like, oh yeah. And then this time, though, it was so funny because I was like, laughing out loud and like rewinding, being like, wait, did he really just say that? Yeah, and it's just, I think it's so funny. And I will say this too, because I don't know, like being a woman watching this movie, you could interpret as like, I like, he's such a narcissist and such an asshole. But to me, I think one of the lines that she says at one point she's like, oh, he's a baby. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's why it's so funny to me, because it's just showing, like how frail the male ego can be. And I think that can be very funny. I want to hear that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I totally agree. You were. And I was going to say, I think with all of Daniel Day-Lewis, his role as like he always finds the humor. Yeah. No matter what. Like even there Will be blood. Like he's not a funny guy at all. But there are some things that you can tell. Like he finds funny. Oh, sure. And it was one goddamn hell of a show. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're right. Actor. It's just it's what makes your character, like, three dimensional is when you find that humor to it. But, Yeah, this. But it's also PTA. Oh, yeah. Kate's humor is uma wicked. A very acquired taste that I don't think you really even know that it's actually him trying to be funny, but he does it in all of his movies. There's things that are just sort of like, that's not funny, but I know you as a director think that's hilarious. It's so sharp. It's. Yeah, it's like very piercing humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So well-written. And you can feel like Daniel Day-Lewis kind of. Maybe they're like extending the scene a little longer than it was. Just the back and forth of you have no taste. Maybe, I don't know, you haven't enough. Like, you know, it just keeps, like, going back in there, like, try to one up each other. Yeah. And yeah, I totally I can't wait to get into this fragile male ego thing. He is an absolute baby. Like when he doesn't show they have to go to the country. The first time she goes, she drives him. He's like, yeah, that's one of my favorite scenes. Is him in that bed with the the windows on behind him in it, but the light is all blue and she brings him in tea and then she gets in the bed with him. She's like, he's so sweet, you know, he's just a baby in this time. And then the. Yeah, the doctor that she's talking to, the whole movie, he's like, how long do these episodes last? Episodes. It's kind of an interesting word. Like, is there something else kind of going on here? And she, she just knows how to regulate it. Like if, if she, you know, if he hasn't made a dresser, he's in the middle of making a dress. What she realizes is that I know how to bring this fucker down a peg. And. Yeah, if that's what I have to do to balance him out. And then by the end, she's literally doing it in front of him. And like, you need to calm down, you need to relax. And you just takes his time swallowing that omelet. I love it, I love all of this. I love this dynamic so much. Yeah. So it's such like a clear, I don't know, something that my acting teacher, Annabelle shout out, she's the best. She always says whenever we're working on a scene that's like, you know, male, female, heterosexual relationship. And often I'm sure you could apply this, like homosexual relationships as well. Is that the dynamic at the end of the day as, like, parent child, like, okay, it's like, okay, gross. Is that man. No. You're. Yeah. No. You're tapping into my theory of. Yep. Yeah. It's so true. It's like every time that we enter into a relationship with someone, it's like natural that someone's going to take on the parent role. Someone's going to take on the child. It can flip. It can change. Yeah. But with this movie, it's so clear from the beginning how he's like saying that he's like been seeing his mom or missing his mom or and like, she comes in. So yeah, it's like he's having these tantrums or episodes. Well, and she knows how to coddle him, how to get him back to even. And it's just that's what I think is so funny about it is like it's such a clear depiction of how I think a lot of men often, like, need someone who's kind of like their mom. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I think that's just, like, so natural. It just happens. No, Mickey. Like you're married one. So they're, you know, this far from it. This is fucking wild. What this movie is about to me. I cannot view it in any other lens, because the first time I saw this movie was four months after my mom died very suddenly, and I saw it. And even in the moment, the first time I was watching it, it didn't. It wasn't really resonating. I went back like two days later. But the whole time he's talking about how he misses my mom. Yeah. Really strong, you know, feelings on my mom. And I love a ghost. I don't find that spooky at all. I like. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Yeah. I don't find that frightening. Is something I would think he'd say, but I don't find it spooky at all. So I think this movie's about this guy who's lived this whole. He misses his mother terribly. Yeah. So terribly, and has never gotten in touch with that and is so obsessed with this work, which he's very good at. And the only seemingly strong female presence is his lot in his life is his sister, Lesley Manville Sierra. It's like she's amazing. Fucking amazing. I love her in this movie so much. And then, yeah, we get even from that first breakfast with that first woman. This is a cycle. He is oh, these women for a temporary muse. Inspiration throws it. You know, she's you can't wait for her to fall out of love with you. So let's I'll give her the dress and we'll move on. Good idea. I love cereal, just always knows. Yeah, I talked to him. And one that I didn't even plays into even though their sister. But that is his woman that's taking care of it. It seems like a mother like figure. Yes, yes. There's also knowing, like, you know, take your breakfast, maybe a different time. Oh, yeah. Important time for him. Yeah, yeah. There's even like that one line where they're at the restaurant and yes, when he's talking about his mom and she's like, maybe it's time for you to go to the country. Oh, he's like, what if you go to the country tonight? And he just looks at her and he's like, good idea. Yeah. Like, I like that idea very much. It washes over him in a way. It's like such great relief. Like someone needed to tell him. Yeah, he may have been thinking about it, but he was sort of like, oh no, that's that's the right thing. It's comforting. I think the data washing over the living, I don't find that spooky at all. Why don't you go to the country tonight? Buffalo tomorrow. Good idea. I like that idea very much. I also. And then when she rolls up to the country, she's not even surprised that there's a new woman there. Yes. Like, who is this? You know, smelling up the house with this lovely scent with her is like, here we go again. Yes, I will take measurements. Sure. Like it's just the process repeating over. And. Yeah, alma is a woman who's not into that process at all. And she's like, I am a human being. I get pay attention, I matter. Yeah, we're Lesley Manville. We'll talk about her real quick. I had a relationship with her because she's in a lot of Mike Lee movies. Another year. She's amazing. And she does not always play this, like, rigid. I mean, another year. She's fucked up. She's like a friend who keeps coming by year after year to this married couples house. Jim Broadbent and someone else who I can't remember. And she's like the fucked up friend who never has her life together. So she's like, really flipping out that whole movie. It's very interesting. Her Cyril is not perform like a performance I've seen from her before, but still there's this stoicism and she knows how to push his buttons. And when she has to, there's a, there's a lot of breakfast in this movie, which I love. Yeah, but the one breakfast, we're almost got it. She's being very gentle, eating her toast very gently pouring. We just hold on Lesley Manville for like 12 seconds and she's thinking something, sipping her coffee, thinking. And it's kind of like, I have to say this at some point, everything here is going nice. But Barbara Rose is going to ask you to your wedding. What do I do with that? And it's, you know, you can see that she's like, I have to push his buttons now because someone has to. And I love that. I love all the dynamics in this movie. Yeah, yeah. I think her character is so interesting because you don't often see, I don't know, it kind of goes in line with like these artist types or these like powerful men who kind of like, they need that woman. Yes. Keep the machine going so they can like, you know, be the artist. And so I think it's interesting that she's the sister and also the mother, but the one thing she can't give him is like passion and like romance, but she can fulfill every other role that he needs her to be. And so for her to have like, this selfless nature. But she also I think that's like how she keeps going is like by needing him to need her. Yeah. So I think it's interesting that she like, lets these other women kind of come in, but when it gets too intimate, she's like, okay, time to go. Yeah. Your time is up. Yeah. I'm still number one in his life. Like, move on. Yeah, yeah. And that actually plays later on because there's absolutely that competition between him and her, especially when he gets sick for the first time. She closes the door on her. Yeah. Oh and and serial is great because you can see it affects her, but she's not going to lose her grace or her poise. Like she's not going to show that she's being defeated in that way. Because as the movie goes on, like alma takes over that role, which always kind of like makes me like, think there's like a whole other movie that what serial does, right? Like what it was. See what, she doesn't have free time. Yeah, exactly. Like, what is she. Yeah, that's a great character. And and that's what you want. Like, you want to kind of have this idea of like, what does she do when she goes home, right? Yeah. Like one of the things, one of my favorite moments or lines from the movie because she when you look at her, there's not much change. And at one point she just talking to Reynolds and she's like, so what are you going to do about alma? I've grown quite fond of her. And I'm like, you have? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I like that. Or when, you know, he's venting to her like there's a quiet air of death at this house and she's just like, oh, I did. I'm gonna come sit right behind him. It's just sitting there staring at him. Oh, what a beacon of politeness you two are. Oh, I just love it. Well, and I think she likes the alma, like, pushes back. Exactly like she's not used to it at first. And she's like, yeah. Oh, I think she kind of respects. Yeah. It's like, oh, this can't exist. Like, we don't have to be so fragile, you know, like maintain him. So I think she probably takes joy in that because she can't do that herself. Yeah. She's like always taken on the caretaker role. So now it's like, oh, here's a strong woman who, like, she can kind of say the things that I'm not going to say. Yeah. You know, so it's like it could be an ally. But ultimately her loyalty is with him. Yeah. But I think for a second she might be like, could there be a different way? Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think that all plays absolutely. Vicky creeps. Crypts. Creeps. Yeah. I never seen her before. I think it's creeps. I don't know, right right right right right right I like cripes creeps. It doesn't. It's not spelled. Is she French? She's from Norway. She's Norwegian. Oh yeah. Okay. I had to look that up because I didn't know. It's so weird how at the end, that woman's like, I don't want to be racist, but today, like, turned into. Do they start stealing things after being Jewish? Like, that's what I kind of took it. I didn't know what I don't mean to be racist means I because I'm like, you're you're British. She's Norwegian. Like, what is this? There's like a divide. It's only really brought in and that one scene, but I yeah, I don't know if I'm Jewish thing or if she's Jewish because there's another point in the movie I can't remember right now, but it's like brought up about some type of war or something. And Barbara's getting remarried to that Dominican. And the reporter goes, did you sell visas to the Jews? Yes. Yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing and like, they kind of show all this. I'm guessing that she, like, might have Jewish hair. Maybe. I never thought maybe that. But yeah, I was also I was that was the part where I went back on. I was like, did she say racist? Yeah. You're like, yeah, I don't understand. But yeah, I think she might be Jewish then, I don't know. I took that as because I've heard white people say that about not knowing what even if like another white person or like whatever they're like, but they're like, you know, like like Italians, like how white people will look at will certain white people can look at Italians and be racist against them. So. Well, yeah, it's just like with the poles too. But yeah. And it happens like everywhere. So I kind of leave that line. It's like, well, whatever she is, she's not what this woman is. And so therefore I don't mean to be racist, but it is just like a rich white person thing. Yeah, she can tell that. She's like not an actual elite like she was brought in. Yes. Elite would probably be the best way to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that part was. Yeah. I remember being like, wait, what is happening? Right? Yeah, I know, it seems so over. It is like, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Before we get in the movie, do you know who shot this film? Oh, of course, Tography by Paul Thomas Anderson didn't take credit for it. And Michael Bauman was like, they called him a lighting cameraman. And, you know, that's a thing to talk about with this. Do you think the movie looks good? Because I think it looks beautiful, like amazing. They really muddled things up. A lot of smoke, a lot of just things like that. And it is one of my favorite looking movies that he's done of any movie. I love the way it looks. You're in that damn house for most of the film and it never feels like you're trapped, never get claustrophobic unless you unless it feels like a yes. Unless he wants you to. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah. Because it's a small, narrow, like you go down those hallways and you're like, I don't think it was fun. I've, listen to Q&A, it's DDL, it's like, My God, we were in this damn house, so not stepping on each other. So I think it was probably pretty tough. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. What a house though. Yeah. You like houses? What kind of houses? Yeah. Well, it's an English two door. I actually don't know. Oh, but it was stunning. And I, I love the contrast between the London house and the country house. Yes. Because it's like the starkness of the London house and how it's like, I don't know. Yeah. The staircase shot. I like just you feel so claustrophobic in there and there's so many women all the time, and you feel kind of like the confines that he has on his life of, like, how controlled everything has to be versus the country house. Like is the more warmer tones and like, you know, the fire, the woods and all of that. And it has like a more, I guess, like natural state. And that's where I don't know why in my memory, I always thought he was only sick at the country house, like, oh, interesting. Right about the first sickness. Yeah, yeah, kind of weird. I was like, oh, she's done this before. Yeah. So I think it's funny how. Yeah, like his room when he's sick, it kind of brings back like this more, I don't know, like earthy. Not as pristine for sure. Not as clinical. Versus like the white starkness of the fashion. One thing I really love about his performance is he. Reynolds is a fussy guy, but he's also a little, I don't know, to explain it, like heavy handed. So with the props, he's not really careful with them. He'll like, throw things like his tape measure when he's measuring or he'll just throw or when he's angry and he stuffs that like, croissant or that giant patron's mouth and throws it on the plate and walks away. He's not like this. Very gentle with this. I like that a lot. In the country house. You really feel that? More like rustic vibes. Got dogs. I would never expect dogs. And he, like, loves his dogs. Yeah, yeah. No, I think that's a funny distinction to how he has permission to be like harsh. Yeah. To be all of these things and everyone around him can. Right? Yeah. When he sits down at Alma's restaurant, he pulls his chair out. He it's like, it drags across the floor and then kind of like, throws as if someone did that with him. To your point, he'd be furious. Oh, yeah, get up and leave. There's too many distractions of like this. Yeah. The breakfast scenes of, like, being too loud. That's when I laugh the most. Oh, my subtle. Oh yeah. But we're going to talk about oh I grew up in this dynamic. You had to be quiet at like, well, not quiet, but but I don't want to. I can't mention names because I don't, I don't mind, but but but I am very familiar with an artist whose day is consumed by. This is my day. This is what I need. And so when he's sort of like, I simply have no time for confrontation. Like so it wasn't necessarily like you had to be so quiet, but it was this situation of like, I don't know what could throw him off. It could just be me saying hello at the wrong time. Good morning. His day is now complete shattered. And and this. And so like I was always very in touch with this because I got it. But I also look at it from a very funny point of view too. But what you were saying earlier about like the male ego, like I think if you factor in just the general broad male ego, but then you put that into an artist, you get Reynolds Woodcock. Oh yeah. And that is the very similar person in my life that I know this very much too. I'm like, they're almost the exact same person in some ways. It is really funny. When the party's over, I'll tell you who it is. Okay? Okay. But, But yes. So. So I get it. And then I'm thinking the entire time I'm like, as I'm watching it, there's times I agree with him, and then there's times that I don't. Sure. And and there's and there's times in the relationship aspects where I'm like, torn between because I was furious with alma when she wanted to make him dinner. Oh, really real this time. Happy though. She. That's her way of showing love. Yeah, but I completely was like, when he walks into that house and it's not the way that he was. Yeah. What time did she leave? I, I immediately I go I'd be so pissed right now. I be just like him and I'd be like, oh my God, what an amazing. And the fact that she's butter and not oh, that's you. Very well. No, I prefer my spaghetti with butter and oil and salt and I'm like, yes, like you like, you know this. Like, why are you trying to change things? But then when she like in it's a beautiful scene because when that happens and she's like, I'm waiting for you to like, be waiting for what? Yeah. Waiting for what? Yeah. And then when she says that, that disarmed me, I'm like, oh, I'm waiting for you to tell me to leave. I think he's saying, I'm waiting for you to marry me. Like, for what? What are you waiting for? And then when she says and he's like, oh, I don't even think he's aware of it. Okay, okay. Yeah. I think he's still like, why are you ruining my day? Yeah, yeah. And I don't even think the idea of, like, when she says that it hit me. I'm like, fuck yeah. Oh, she's she, this is what she's doing. She's just trying to do this thing. He doesn't see it. I don't think that's what's cool is like, the sudden move is all interpretation. Yeah, yeah. But, but then I completely sided with her. Like, right after that, I was like, all right, let's see. Let's see what's. Well, I think the thing with them that's so interesting is like he pursued her. You know what? I you didn't ask for this. Like. Oh, like she was swept up. And I think that this is something that I don't know tends to happen or I see in like, relationships sometimes it's like this fascination that a man might have with a woman. And it also reminds me of like one of my I don't want to say it's like one of my favorite plays, but it's one of the most formative plays I've read is like Ibsen's The Dollhouse. Oh, sure. Shot like so much here with that. Yeah, it made so much sense to me in terms of like, oh, like, that's how like a lot of men view women. It's like they're fascinated by a woman versus like, really knowing her, wanting to know her. The second that she shows she's a human, that she has her own opinions, that she can speak up. They're like, whoa, whoa, you're ruining the fantasy. Yeah. You know, and so I think for her, I that's why I like side with her the whole time, even though she's, you know, a little batshit. But yes, I do. Yeah. She poisons them as well. This you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like he shot her out. He brought her into his world. And so I think that's why she says, like, I'm waiting for you to discard me. Like I didn't ask to be here. Yeah, right. Oh, I don't know. I yeah I love that she brings that up in terms of I'm here for you and it doesn't seem like you want me anymore. So like, tell me to leave. Yeah, yeah. And even in, like, their first date, like, at first, it's actually very sweet. They're at dinner. He's like mentioning, like, you know, talk to your mom. But then he brings her back to the house and it just becomes all this is with the measurements. Now. He even calls her her boobs small. Yeah. Oh, you have no chest like she. And no, it's good. And Cyril's taking the measurements. I haven't even wrote down. Like this is the most unsexy she could ever possibly feel. Yeah. And. Yeah. And you see it on her like she is just like zero goes. He likes a woman with a little belly. Oh, my God, that hold me. I was just like, oh, but I think she's like genuine. I don't think, yeah, that is an insult. No means. And it's like you come in and you're like, what world of I just stepped into. Yeah. Who are these people? Yeah. And literally the next scene, she's at the house, so she. So. Yeah, she, she just she went on a date is what she did. And then all of a sudden she's here and yeah, you do sense like that feeling for her where it feels claustrophobic because it's sort of like, do I just stand? Do I just parade? I clearly don't make food good, like, you know, but and and yet, like, these are like the dynamics that I think that are kind of true in relationships where it's sort of like what you said earlier about the child parent thing. It becomes like, also like, what do you bring to the table exactly? And, and, and really she ends up being everything that he needs without him really knowing it. Yeah. But I mean would have like match to figure that out. And I guess she clues in on that. She's like, oh, I can be his mom. Yeah. Like okay. Like, yeah, I was his muse for a second. But to stick around, I need to become your mother type of thing. I think. Like that's where she finds her power. It's like, oh, I need to have control over him in order to be able to stay the second she realizes, like, oh, I don't have control, he's going to he's going to get rid of me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I guess the question of ask the both of you, given this, this dynamic with the parenting thing, would you do it like if you were to assume a role like in this way that you either are comfortable assuming or not like would like where in personally would you land here? Yeah. It's so circumstantial. It is. Yes. I don't think this is something that necessarily people even think of consciously. I know, that's why I want to bring it up. Yeah. The dynamic of the relationship that sets in. But yeah, like when you, you know, you go through shit in life and there are tragedies and sometimes you need to be coddled a little bit. Sometimes the other person needs to be coddled. Yeah. I don't, I don't know I don't know if I would engage in something quite like this that would be able to, you know, to intense. I don't yeah. Yeah. Not necessarily for me. But that's why I love it so much because it's such I've never seen a love story like this. Never, never. And I think it also makes me wonder, like, can great artists be also great partners? You know, I like you. One of my favorite things to do when I watch a new actor, director or someone is they go on their Wikipedia page and I look at how many wives or husbands they've had. Oh yeah. Oh, interesting. I was just like, oh wait, what? Like I started watching Flow Horses and Gary Oldman. I was like, oh, I have to go on his page. He's had like six. Wow. Yeah, yeah. This man is an incredible actor. But I'm like, oh my God. He's had six wives. And so I, I do wonder like what is the price to pay? And I think that there is a lot of compromise has to happen in a relationship. And so and I think it could go for like women as well, like Devil Wears Prada, you know, like that's a character that we could see as like her personal life is shit, but she's this incredibly successful, you know, fashion house like lady Meryl Streep. Yeah. And yeah, like, can you have it all? Can you be a good person and a great artist? I don't know, but I think with this movie, like, personally, I don't know, it's I think I've learned just like growing up, like, I don't want to be someone's doll. I don't want to be someone that a man is just, like, fascinated. I don't want to just be a muse. Like, I want to have an equal say and have my opinion be respected. But that might lead me to not maybe having someone who is like, as ambitious as I want them to be, because I don't know if there's room for both. Sure, sure. I'll, I'll, I'll say is that both of my most significant relationships ended because of basically this reason under different circumstances. But basically, I chose a certain life, and, and that, that I needed to do that. I don't know what that says going forward or that, but that's just what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Life choices. Yeah. That's the way it goes. Yep. Because I actually think that I'm thinking about Reynolds Woodcock. Like, you know what I'm saying? I just love science. Name is Woodcock. The house of Woodcock. Woodcock. But like like now I'm thinking I don't know what he brings to this relationship. I mean, he's obviously given her a certain life, I suppose, but he. I don't see him really like doing much for them. No, I think well, I think it's interesting because at the beginning and I think this is why Daniel Day-Lewis is such an effective actor is like when he looks at her the way he, oh my God, oh my God. And it's not even in. I don't even know how to describe it. It's it's like anybody I think would be mesmerized. I'm like, yes, I want to be what you see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think yeah, he has like this vision that he maybe that's what he brings to vision to like who this woman could be. But he doesn't actually like develop that. You know, it's not like he takes her on as like, okay, I'm going to make you incredible. It's like he already kind of has an idea and then that's it. Like, yeah, he doesn't really have to show up. Yeah. Choosing her, which is wild, which is wild, but it also is a thing too, where it's like every relationship really kind of forms because you just actually like being around this person, like the way that you two are, like behind closed doors that no one else gets to see like that. That matters a lot. Right? And I think that's what you get here, especially by the time you get to the end, where I think he knows 100% that she's about to poison him. I absolutely do every time you watch it, it's it's much, much clear. It's first time I saw it, I wasn't sure, but yes, I think he absolutely. She even says to him, like, you need to calm down a little. Yeah. It won't kill you. It won't. So yeah. Yeah. He made it. Does he know when he's, like, cutting the piece off when that fucking bite of omelet is in his mouth? Yes. And before he swallows it. Oh, he knows it. And that is also like, to me, like a beautiful way of just being like, like to me, this movie is always an allegory for relationships. Like, I know that you're about to poison me, but I wouldn't want it any other way. So you like. And he's like, kiss me before I'm sick, darling, you know? Surrender, surrender. Yeah. And because sometimes you sometimes you feel like when you're in a relationship. Like what am I doing? Like, this is crazy. Like, but I think this is love, right? Yeah, yeah. And I think it's funny, too, that they kind of have. I forgot about the part in the movie where they do, like, lead this somewhat normal life of, like, taking vacation. Yeah. Oh, bored he is. Yeah. Oh my God. He's just sitting there on his drawing. Yeah. So bored. And I, I can kind of like, relate to that feeling of like if you are so passionate and like really good at something and like, that's where you feel your ultimate self. But then to do like the family life on the side, I think maybe he's learning that. Yeah. Like I do have to kind of like let go of my artist self a little bit. So eventually he, he like chooses that, you know, he chooses to let that side of him exist. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't mean he like that. But no it's true. Yeah. But he's learning that like for this to work at, you have to like because that's when they're on their honeymoon. Yeah. And she's being very loud with her toast. Everything. He just goes oh, like, looks doesn't character because we're not in the house. It would come. Yeah. You're not working. You have you can have a conversation day. And then he also knows okay, she's younger. She wants to go climb the mountain for an hour. I'm just going to sit here, have fun. And it's like, okay. Yeah, I love that. Well, that's the other cool thing about this movie is like it examines like like, I mean, they use marriages the way, but it is sort of like the acceptance of your relationship. This is what things are. And before the age thing wasn't really a problem. But but there does become a point where it's sort of like in their situation and where it is sort of like, I want to go dancing and it's sort of like dancing. Yeah, I don't want I'm not talking that. Yeah. And but it's very fair for her to want that. And that is just kind of like the nature of just like that age difference. But I love how it's they bring that into play so much later. Yeah. But it's a very real reality that you could relate to. And then and then it's sort of like, how do we still make this work? How do we keep making this work? Oh, it's very cool for sure. Johnny Greenwood did the music for this movie. He sure did. 99 minutes of score. Beautiful. So beautiful. He had done score. He did there Will Be Blood. And basically the Oscars are just like, nah, we're not nominating this guy. Like, we're not nominating these rockers. And then this was his first nomination. They're like, okay, we we can't ignore this anymore. The score is so beautiful to me, so beautiful. Mark Bridges won an Oscar for the costumes, for designing the costumes. Yeah. One thing I want to call out. Maybe my favorite costume is in that dinner argument scene. He's like, I'm going to go up and have a bass. And he comes down and he's like, in pajamas. But he's got a suit jacket on. Okay, that's good. And it's it's like it's a really subtle fuck you. Oh oh 100% dressed in my best and just know you made dinner. Here's my PJs. Yeah. I won't even look at her when he's, like, having a sip of his martini to sit down. Oh, I love him. But the costumes, needless to say, gorgeous. I think one of my favorite moments where it's like, I think he really locked in to armor was when she got so upset. Yeah, Barbara Rose, I'm like, oh, yeah, we have a beautiful kiss. And oh yeah. And then going into the room and taking her out of the. Yeah. Like it's such that to me I think is when he fell in love. Oh I love this woman 100%. I think that's exactly right. And it's great because like she starts it. That's what I see. You're laughing because she looks all upset at the wedding and he's like don't start crying. Yeah yeah yeah. They start blubbering I'm not crying I'm angry not deserve to be in that dress. And he's like it will know. Now you know you're saying some things. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking my language know. Yeah I like they open the door. He said no pounding on the door. And the you know assistant opens. I'd like to dress because she's asleep okay. Like I don't care about that. Yeah. And then he puts it together in the dress. Well, that's the funny part. You see, you put this stuff together. I love that he just says her name, too, is like alma. Like, send in the. And he sit there, you know, his posture in that doorway leaned up against it. Cow walks by. Cow? Yeah, I love that. It's like. And that actress Barbara Rose is great. She has that one scene in Licorice Pizza where she's. It's my favorite scene in the movie meeting. A lot of for the first time. It's fine. Yeah. And so she's just great. But the way she plays that, she shows up to the house drunk, she's drunk, and she's like, come on, Barbara. The way she starts messing with the. He's like, I'm trying to make you a beautiful dress, please. I'm like, I'm still ugly. Yeah. That's like, yeah, I'm trying to make you beautiful dress. Allow me. Like, I just, I can't have what's weird thing. And her name? Barbara Rose. I have it here, but do you have space for this house? Harriet Samson Harris. Harriet rose. Samson Harris. Yes. She does so much with so little. Yes. Like. Like I don't even know she's British. Because in Licorice Pizza, she has a great American accent. And this is. I don't know, it seems only British. Yes, she's actually good. She's right. Yeah, but good point, actually. Very good point. All we know about her before we meet her is that she owns the house. That's the reason why he that he has to do this is like. Listen, she owns it. Like to do this for this house. And, and then we meet her and she's like, drunkard. She is, like, insecure. And she is in this whole situation with this Dominican thing. And there's not a lot of dialog that she has. Yeah, but yet she is such a well lived in person, like, you just can't get enough of her. Like, what is she? And then she fails plans. Yeah. Your wedding or the wedding? Boom. Face it. I'm like. And she never comes back again. She's never even mentioned. But yet when you're when the movie's over, you remember every bit of her. Oh, I love these kind of performances. Oh, yeah. PTA is so good at these. He does these little one offs or, you know, not just one scene, but still sprinkle them in and then yeah, it's so memorable. They end up being sometimes most memorable characters of his movie. Yep. Love it I love that we've we've been talking for 15 minutes and gone all over the place. I'm going to start kind of in order here and we can touch on things. Order of the movie. Just your I haven't lost my mind. I'm very sane. Thank you. What's you know so we start. Oh my God, we are going to go like she's you know, not like scene by scene. I just got to say that fucking opening title card with the music, it stays on screen for like 15 seconds. It's gorgeous. I love it, I love it. Minute two we're seeing Reynolds Woodcock yet. No, we're not going to do it like minute by minute. No. You know come on we have. No we're no I wouldn't mind. We're seeing him get ready. Very precise like thread and see my thread. I seen him get ready I did I made a note here of every breakfast. Breakfast one. Oh my gosh. Let's talk. Camila. Yes, yes. Camilla Rutherford is Joanna. Joanna is here and she's, you know, doesn't know how to talk and she doesn't know what to do. And she hands in that gorgeous looking cinnamon roll I think goes no more no more still things. Yeah I never even heard that. Like, what is it? I tell you, normal stodgy things. Then you know I. When are you going to get rid of me? And then that's like, is this a conference? He doesn't say, is this a confrontation? I cannot begin my day with the confrontation threatens the delicious. Remember I told you, Joanna, no more stodgy things. There's nothing I can say to get your attention and back me. Is there? I cannot begin my day with a confrontation. Please. And delivering the dress today. And I come to take up space for the confrontation. I simply don't have time for confrontations. His legs are crossed. He's not even looking. He's just got a pen. He pours that tea like he never looks when he pours it. Oh my God, it's perfect. I have to say, I love how body conscious he is. No butter, no stodgy thing. Yes. It's like. But then. Oh yeah, we can we talk about. We can go anywhere. A line with the breakfast. Okay. Yes. The whole like I'm hungry. What do you guys make of that. Because he says it. What, like four times I think when he's hungry, he's like in a good mood. He's inspired. Honestly, I think you're using that as, like, kind of a euphemism at one point because I. One of the things I respect about him is that he's not out. This isn't lost. Like they don't sleep together right away. I think the first time they sleep together is at the house. Oh, they like, go into his bedroom together. Yeah. She says she's like, have you had enough to eat? You look thirsty. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, so that think I. But his appetites to me are hysterical. How hungry he can get in the movie and I don't know, but they have that really good meeting or something happens. Maybe it's even the barbarous thing. And then the next day he, like, kisses her at the table. Armani orders oatmeal with cream, and he's like, I'm so hungry. Yeah. It's interesting. Okay. Yeah, I always has an appetite, but yeah, I think it's when things are going well for him. Okay. So he doesn't like he has an appetite. I think things are going well. It correlates. Yeah. It because because clearly when he says that no more starchy things. Stodgy. Stop stop stop stop stop start. But I know that's how they say, oh, you got to say stodgy. Oh great British word. Yes it is. But he clearly he's you he he does not actually want that in his life. Because when he orders that next big breakfast you can have more starchy things in there. Well that's what I mean. Yeah. That's my so, so that's his way of being like, I've had enough of you. I want this food, but I just don't want it. And I think you kind of because even cereal says she's sitting around getting fat. Yeah. And I think he maybe is saying to her, like, I don't want you to be eating that because he eats that. It looks like the same exact role. Like, you know, hours later when he's arguing with alma and he, like, takes a bite of it and throws it on the plate and then walks away. Oh, tired of too much noise at breakfast? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So he's. Yeah. Just contradicting himself right there. Or he's saying rudely, I don't want you to eat that. Well, and he's also like, like there is that element of like you should know exactly what I mean with every single thing I do. So when I slam down this cinnamon roll, you know, I want this. You know, I want this so bad. And yet you are making me lose my appetite. Yeah. And I can't go about my day when he's a five year old and a five year old like mom. You're supposed to know exactly what I want. Yeah, like butter toast. Yeah. Oh the fuck? Yes. Butter is their toast. Which does sound like an elephant train coming. They're like, oh, I know, but that would be funny. It's so funny. You sound like it. Does he say it trained like he says, like the like I, I like a little less something about horses. Like horses ran through here with you and they're playing that game. And she said, I think they're good and well, shaking Elmo. Yeah. It's always got a comment on these things. Always, always you delivers that first dress to the Countess. I love the whole. It looks like it's it's harder for him than it is for her. Like to let go of this dressing. Yeah. There's like touching heads and, you know, let's take it for a walk. And his posture, when she walks in, he'd sit down and like, moves his hands so she can walk out. I love him, I say. I don't like that dress. Well, I don't really. This is that first one. The first one. I like the keep playing the 50s, I know, but the like the whole like the pink like I don't know. You know what it isn't. It's not chic. Well, what is this? What is this? What is this a filthy little word. Chic. But it looks like a pillow like case like. And it's like wrinkles and it looks very thick. I don't know, controversial. I actually don't like hardly any of the cast. Like they're beautiful. I don't like this. It's not my bad. I've heard people say that like they're beautiful. For what? Like he. I think that kind of comes into play when he's talking to cereal. Then why won't so-and-so. Yeah. Why isn't she talking to me? She wants to go with someone else. She want feel something that chic and his. I don't know much about fashion, but it doesn't look like he makes hi trendy, at least by today's standards. Maybe back then it was, I don't know, but it looks like he has a more formal sentiment. Yeah, it's very measured and it doesn't look comfortable. It doesn't feel right. I feel like it looks very, controlled and very confined. And I think that's his whole thing. It's like it's not real. It's not real fabric. I mean, it's obviously real fabrics, but it just looks to restrictive in my opinion. Yeah. That's I, I've never really thought about the costumes in this movie. I maybe I don't really think about costumes much in like movies like this where it's sort of like, oh, the costumes are actually a very integral part of it. Like they just blow right past my head until this time where I was like, I don't like it. Yeah, yeah. And I could see him being like, but the measurements are perfect and the is perfect, but it doesn't. To me, it's not like saying anything. Yeah. It's like I'm rich and stately and like not interesting. And I think that's what's funny about him is he's like curated his life to where it isn't very interesting. Yeah. It's like it's the same routine every day. And alma is like this new thing that's like, well, I don't want to do this all the time. Yeah, that's all your rules are. Yeah. You're like, oh, I love that. We'll get there. We'll get there you go. Yeah. You're going scene by scene. We are. We're going to go to the country as we talked about, Mickey and I discussed those driving scenes. Whatever, man I'd like to go through so we don't miss anything. Go to rag on me. You're okay. Mickey, you can tell I'm meeting. I knew that you were going to do this, but, you know, he goes to the country. I love those scenes. I love him when he's walking up to that hotel. If I ever get to this area of the world, I want to go to that street. When he's, like, walking up to the hotel. I think it's a real street. Yeah. When you walk in and $35 million budget. No. Yeah. They went there. They went there. All right. Breakfast too. Oh, actually we've talked about blushing before. Hoffman in 25th hour. Yes. She blushes. Yes. She, she's. Yeah. When she sees him her face is bright red and I don't. That's not like a makeup. You can't fake that. That's it's it's pure embarrassment. Yeah. Nervousness trips. Yeah. Right away we're learning who she is. It's like she's kind of goofy, you know, trips. Everything's funny. Kind of messy. Yeah. Yeah. She's like a messy. Oh, she is not polished. Yeah, none at all. It's my favorite scene. The whole movie. The their intro, the whole entire breakfast nook sequence, everything about it from her entrance to tripping to hurt him, looking at her like he looks at her. And he finds that very endearing. But he almost has to look to have like it's a love scene. This. It's a long. Yeah, like at some point where we stay on him for a while, almost as if he's calculating with himself. Is this the next one? Is this 100% on getting her to dinner tonight? Oh, I didn't know this was going to happen this quickly. Okay. And and yet he couldn't, like, help them see and stuff at all. All right. Yes. Breakfast number two. Breakfast number two. A Welsh rabbit with a poached egg, not too runny. Bacon scones, butter cream jam. Not strawberry raspberry tea sausages. Will you remember? Yes, I'm keeping this smoothie. She has dialog in there too that you missed out. No, I'm saying, you know. Will you remember this? Yes. I'm keeping this. I know, I know, I'm, I just like strawberry jam there. Yeah, I was just saying the order. I love that he adds sausages at the end. You've already got bacon. It's Larry's. Apparently these breakfast orders are based on Daniel Day-Lewis. In real life, when he and PTA were writing and developing the movie, this is how he orders breakfast. He eats these, like, massive breakfast Daniel Day-Lewis does. So I just made fun of him. It was like, so funny. Yeah, yeah. And another thing, forgive us. We're going to get real geeky for a second, real technical when they are meeting that meet cute when they're doing the, breakfast order. Yeah. The way the camera is, the cutting breaks the so-called line which you are not allowed, you are not supposed to do in cinematography. You supposed to stay on a line. So it should. When we cut back to him or her, we're like, on different sides of them. Yeah. And I heard PTA asked about this and he's like, I don't know. It looked good. And I saw Kubrick do it. So who cares what you know about cinematography. And you watch it. I'm like, oh, wow, that's that's interesting. It shouldn't like the rules of cinematography dictate that you don't do that. You don't break that line. And he just does it. He doesn't care. And I love that when there's nothing at matches like the dynamic that she's kind of. Exactly. Yeah. He's like perfectly manicured life. Yeah. Boom. Perfect. What else? Coffee or tea? Do you have lab saying deposit lab saying please just add some sausages and some sausages. Show me. What you remember? Yes. Keeping this. I have a question for Mickey. Their first date. He dislike fucking interrupts her. This napkin water and he just goes. I like to see who I'm talking to. Oh, my lipstick off. Is that a move or what? Would you do it? So, like, I like to. I'm talking to you. Just rub that napkin across her lips to take her cheek off and I'm like, damn, it's so funny because that moment when I watched it a couple days ago, I was like, wow, I'm sure that there are women who are going to be listening to this being like, how can Mickey like this movie? Because this guy is just fucking nasty. And I was like, yeah, like, that's the moment where I was like, oh, yeah, like, he is awful. But I think that's what I love about this movie is it doesn't really hide. It's not making any excuses. It's just true. Showing who this man is and all of his flaws. Not thing. I like him as a character, but I think it shows. Like he walks around with so much agency and I think that at that moment shows. It's like it's his world. Yeah, it's his like universe essentially. And he runs the show. Yeah. And so it's sort of like establishing what is there. And then she can come in and like fuck it up. Yep. So yeah I literally wrote his date his way. Yeah yeah, yeah. We're going back to my country. Yeah I'm going to sit there and measure you like we're going to pick your color. I'm going to measure you. I'm going to insult you a little bit talking about your chest size, all that stuff. I love when they're back at the home and you see the picture of his mother and the dress he made for her, and he's telling that story about their, housekeeper. We called her Black Death. Oh, my God, she wouldn't help me make the dress because she thought it was a curse and that she would never get married. And he's like nothing anyone would ever have her anyway. Just be like. He's so funny. Like the color black that we hated her. I love that, I love and then, you know, having a fire. That little me. Cute, I love it. She goes, you're a very attractive man. He just smiles. He doesn't need to say like, yeah, yeah. I mean, he has a lot going for me. He's a good looking older fella. I get it, I go for that little walk. Whatever you do, do it carefully. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think she knows what she's, like, about to go on a wild ride. Oh, yeah. So I think. Yeah, that there is, like, this level of intrigue that she has and she's like, okay, I'm game, but be careful. Yeah. Yeah. They go so then yeah, he's like looping her back in. They go back to the house of Woodcock, of alma in the House of Woodcock. Didn't even see him. We didn't even see him. Ask her. It's just like, here we go. Here's here's the show I love. The first time she really claps back is about that fabric. And, you know, you have no taste. And then Cyril kind of, like, nicely chimes in, well, you know, a lot of people like this. And he just goes, he's looking down and goes, Cyril is right. Cyril is always right. Yeah, I love their relationship. And when they almost get into a fight and she doesn't even look him in the eyes, like, don't pick a fight with me. I'll go right through you. What's the later, senior? Skipping ahead. I know I'm doing it on purpose. I do, and I want to reinforce the point I'm making now. Nicholas, I do show in the back, too, of like. Yes, now we're going back. She knows she can do whatever she wants. So the idea that when they get to the house that he's like, this is your room. And she's like, all right. Yeah. She's like, wait, what? I was just like, that's like the moment when you for me personally, like, if I, like, stay at a guy's house, like, here's a toothbrush. And it's like, the first time I'm staying over, I'm like, oh, you have backup toothbrush. Like, you've done this. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, me like, that's when I would be out. I'd be like, no, I have room. Like I'm out of the situation. But the fact that she seems more naive, like, not in modern times. Yeah. She, like, doesn't really seem to understand what that means right away, which I think it's fascinating because she understands a lot. So yeah. Yeah. Like I do think that she is aware that she is probably there's been a long line, but in those little particular moments she doesn't put those together. It doesn't seem like she is against it. You know, it's sort of like she's more like doesn't fully understand what the situation is going to be. She's like, oh, okay. This is what what time do we wake up? Oh, we have whenever, whenever I want when I yes, when I wake you I would go to sleep at midnight, wake up at four. I would be like, no, no, no, you need to tell me. Yeah, I need to schedule what time I need. You know, he's just knocking ten minutes or whatever it is. I'd be serious. But then when she's talking to the doctor, she has a sense of pride of like, no one can stand as long as I can. Yeah. For hours. And it doesn't seem like she's complaining about it. So that's probably an aspect of their dynamic that goes well for him. Standing going back to your cereal is always right bit. Yes. I think that's also him letting her know like alma that like I like without him saying it, you are going to be my next muse or whatever it is. So you need to know that cereal is like that. Lying to her alma to. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, her to her. And she's always going to be right. Yeah. Don't argue with her. That's stupid. We we are aligned. And if we're not aligned, we're going to, you know, have a little spat at breakfast and then we'll get on the same page. Speaking of which, breakfast three. Breakfast three. This is where almost loud buttering or toast is eating breakfast. I know, I actually thought about it you I actually thought about it like I, I had a bit in my head where I was going to make, toast, like badly burnt toast. And every time Nick spoke, I was going to like, oh my God, you probably could not rub it, but like, pretend to be loud. But then I thought would just be a little too messy. Say I butter your toast, period. It. Yeah, it was entirely too much movement at breakfast and I loved it. That's when she's trying to be nice. Like, you know, his when his routines when he's in them are very important and almost like he's too fussy. Yeah. So just kind of, you know, rolls her eyes and is maybe you should take your breakfast. Yeah, but still, he's too fussy and you kind of see cereal. Want to go? I know, but that's not what this is. You kind of see it. They're like, oh, I like that. She's cutting back a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's perfect. It's just the right there dynamic is great too. Almond series cereal is great too. Please don't move so much. I'm. I'm buttering my toast and not moving too much. It's too much. It's a distraction. It's very distracting. Maybe you pay too much attention to it. It's hard to ignore this if you just rode a horse across the room. There's too much movement. It's entirely too much movement. At breakfast. Next scene is a photo shoot. You guys remember this are like taking pictures. Is that he does like. Yeah. So he's on the ground looking up at her. Yeah. So so enamored. Doesn't really. He doesn't do, like, the publicity stuff. So like to do publicity stills. You come back and do that later. Typically ADR he's not into. So every poster in every production stills from this movie is from this scene because it was like, I'm never going to get this back, this dude back to take like a picture for poster. So if you look at all the materials, it's either his, profile when he's in her restaurant thinking like, oh my God, am I going to pursue her? Or it's him, like sitting down, looking up at her and I love that shit, I love it. You got to know who you're working with and know, like, let's do the poster. Now. Let's just get out of the way. Yeah. Love it. So that adds a little. Actually, that scene I like went back and looked because when he gets up and walks away, she's like so mesmerized by him and he doesn't even look at her. It's like he just like gets up. He's like, okay, I'm done. I've working on yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. So like, I don't want to do this. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. They have the, the first big, I guess like show, like they're showing a lot of his dresses with the numbers and he's all like, frantic and talking to the people and all that stuff. And then after that, it's his first, the first time we see this slum of sorts where he's really down. And I love that they just get into the car to go to the country. And she's like, why don't you let me drive? Oh, you. Yeah, that's like something that zero would say. Zero would be like, you know, go to the country and like but it she is anticipating this and she hasn't seen this mood from him yet. She's like Well how would I drive you and it's like okay. And then that's the first like, he's such a baby. It's the same surrender. Yeah. As to maybe you should go in the country. Yeah. He's just is like, synthetic good. And I think that's maybe where Ahmed starts to figure out where the power is. Yeah, sure. Oh, I don't want to take care of this. I can read him. Yeah, I can call the shots. Like when he's weak, I can make him strong again. And I think that's what keeps her around. She, like, finds her own power in being able to, like, be the one to get him back. So, yeah, that moment's funny where she can. She, like, knows what to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just a few days later, he's back to normal self. One of my favorite scenes from the movie. Just a nice lady bringing in tea for her. Dude, she brings it in. I didn't ask for tea. And then, you know, the back and forth. Okay. I'm leaving. I'm going out. The tea is going out. The interruption stays right here with me. I do like Jesus Christ, dude. It's just my favorite line in the movie to favorite. Like, I don't even know if he wrote it because he says he's like, that is the scene where I just die and you go back and rewatch Daniel Day-Lewis sincere, right? It's interrupted just right here with me. My God, is that what I was saying earlier about the person in my life? He's never said that. Oh, that's 100% the like. The subtext behind his behavior is like, you've done this, but my inner the interruption has ruined the rest of track. And I'm like, oh shit, okay, I didn't ask for tea, I love it. Scuse me. God, oh my God. Breakfast for. We already touched on it almost eating properly. And this one, this is when Cyril drops a bomb that Reynolds is going to have to attend. Reynolds Woodcock is going to have to attend the wedding of what Barbara Rose Burrows pays for this house. I love it, and he's like, I love when he kind of tosses away something like, oh God, I don't want to have to do that. Or oh, this is like ruin my day. And Cyril just goes, chin up. Yeah. And he gives her that look. Barbaro's pays for this house. Oh, that's actually, like, an interesting thing. Or like, you do see, like his weakness in terms of a. Yeah, he's like this grand artist, but it's like he works for the women of love, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, he runs the show. He's not to ultimately top dog. Like I think that's an interesting thing. Yeah, yeah. Just had this thought. Okay. We never see him with another man. No not I mean he's with like like his like dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Dinner. Like sells his dresses. He's that great. Like, we never see his dynamic. Like his life has always been women. Yeah. That's a huge part of it. Yeah. He never talks about that. Yeah. Never talks about that. It's his mom. It's his sister. It's all these women. All the women of the house are women. Yep. Oh, yeah, I mean, he it's not like, you know, he says hi to Carl. Like him. No, no. Yeah. He interacts with men, but, like, he doesn't have a friend who doesn't have. And there's certainly never a scene with him where he needs to be in kind of competition with another man. Right thing. Right? I just never really noticed that this is, like, his whole entire life is dominated by the women around him. It's embarrassing, but he's the dominant. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. But he's not. He's weak. Like. Yes. Yes. Very weak. Ego bruised man. Yeah. They go to the wedding, Barbara Rose's wedding. Get the dress back. They kiss in the street. Then breakfast five is when. That's when he's in the exceptional mood and he puts in the big breakfast order. You know, I'm so glad we have cream with the cream. Yeah, it's like it's gnarly, but I'm so glad we have it. I love that, like, it's okay to get fat, but I'm happy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean kind of. Yeah, yeah. And then that's what, that's what they say. Yeah. The relationship like like 15 pounds is what it is. Sure. Never had that. Sure. Well. Well never been married. Yeah. There you go then. The Miss Royal Highness arrives and almost is treated like a lady of the house, like she's just another one. And, you know, she goes over, she has to make herself stick out. And I think it's because of that that the dinner situation is. That's where it manifest. Because she goes, okay, there's this new, very attractive, like, woman that he's making a dress for. He's around pretty women all the time. I'm going to do something nice for him, and I'm going to make him dinner my way. And her explaining it to Cyril and Cyril, just going. It's not his birthday. It's just it's like, I really don't think it's a good idea. Like, I, I highly advise against it, but it says something that Cyril let her lets her do it, knowing like Cyril let her do everything actually like. Okay, sweetie, if this is, if this is what you want to do, and then yeah, now we can properly. We talked about a lot of it, but this dinner fight is we talk about movie arguments a lot on the part. We love arguments. And this is just such a great one. I mean, it's really an all timer. Asparagus. Is this my house? Do you have a gun? Oh, my God, are you to kill me? It's got it's so good, right? If I don't protect myself, somebody will come in the middle of the night and take over my corner of the room and ask me about the fucking asparagus. Other things I'd like to do with my time. It's my time. No time doing here. In your time. What am I doing here? I'm standing around like an idiot. Waiting for you. Waiting for word. Waiting for you. Waiting for what? Waiting for you to get rid of me. To tell me to leave. So tell me so I don't stand around like a fucking fool. Spartacus. Is this all about you? It's not about asparagus. Hell, is it about you? A special agent sent here to ruin my evening and possibly my entire life. So rude to me. Why are you talking to me? This is my house. This is my house, isn't it? Is this my house? Of course it's your. Oh, did somebody drop me in foreign soil behind enemy lines? I'm surrounded on all sides. It's you who brought me here. When the hell did this happen? Who are you? Do you have a gun? You here to kill me? Why? Do you have a gun? Stop it! Where's your gun? Oh, God! Stop! Take your gun. Stop playing this game. I'm playing a game. Yes. What game I play? What game? What precisely is the nature of my game? You tell me. Oh, this whole, I love it, I love it, and then her not, you know, knowing how to express all these rules and, you know that. And then, the way that he ends of my life is so bad, you can fuck, fuck off back to where you came from. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so it's so good. And it's also very relatable. You know, I feel like the fact that she calls him out of, like, you're lying. Like, I know that you're, you know, you don't like the food. I think she is really feeling the sense of, like, I actually know you now, so, like, why are you going away from me? And I think that's normal for a lot of people. It's like once you finally do feel like you're getting somewhere, then the other person starts to retreat. And I think that's where it's coming from. Yeah. Like her insecurities are starting to pop up and I, I don't know, I think it's like a very relatable argument, you know, that absolutely is. And then he like, makes it absurd by bringing up the gun thing. It's like, yeah, just push aside. What is the nature of my game. Yeah. So you're picking pick, pick pick. Yeah, yeah. Because she's one who says like, why are you why are you being childish. Basically like playing this game. And instead of him being like, okay, you've called me out, he just he keeps double doubles down. Yeah, but why does she had to make the butter like, she knows doing it his her way. She's trying to. There are two people in this. Yeah. There's good. She knows that he's not going to like it. Not necessarily. What if it's the best damn asparagus he's ever had? But he doesn't know. He's only eating it with oil for the past fucking 20 years or something every Wednesday. And I know she's trying to, like, stake her claim. Yeah. You know. Yes. Exactly equal say in this relationship, but. Oh, the amount of salt he keeps for it. So she's she's looking at it. She doesn't just eat it with his fingers, you know, and I forget exactly the wording of it, but it's like I'm mostly unsurprised at my not my gall, but am I ability to be able to keep the food down? Yeah. How bad could it be? Like, it's just it's very stupid. Yes. Oh. He's trying so hard. She really is. She is what I meant to say. This isn't. Yeah, yeah. Nice dinner. Yeah. And she's not. I think that scene is really great too, because she is not a very. And I mean, this like, respectfully, she's not a very eloquent person. She, she's very like, even in that one scene where she goes and talks to the girl, where she gets a little insecure. Yeah. You know, she introduces herself and then she just like, I live here. Yes. Yeah. Like like, okay. That's all. Like, that's my way of trying to stake my claim, but like, yeah, it's it's not well thought out. It's not. She's very well intentioned and you get the motivation, but she doesn't speak it necessarily correctly. And I think this scene is a great example of that. Like the yeah this and that. But by the time it's all said and done, like her point is absolutely made and it's right. Yeah. Oh of course it is. She should have made the butter. Jesus. I mean, there's got to be another way to stake your claim, but I feel like you have to get their attention, you know? Yeah. No, for sure is perfect way it was done. Yeah. I just get emotionally triggered by this, and I don't know, I don't know. I mean, she made a whole ass meal and he just bailed out in the first course. That's fucked up. Who knows? She could have had everything else prepared exactly to his liking. That's not kind. It's. It certainly wasn't going to be prepared to his liking. Well, I don't know. Maybe she just tried really hard. She didn't she try to all the same day. I feel for her because I feel like. Yeah, that's it's like that pattern where it's like you want to be closer to someone, so you like, push even more in that way. And that's exactly what happens. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's such a good scene. And the reason why she's here in the house of Woodcock. Cos. So he can have that hammer line whenever he wants. Whose house is this? Is this my house? Did you, did you send foreign agents in here? And he's. The point is my house, my rules. So it's going to be my way. And it's like, well, not if you want her to be here, buddy. Yeah. And she goes straight from, you know, you can fuck off back to where you came from, straight to mushrooms. That's what we do. Because she's learned from the, you know, another lady in the house that the ones with gills or whatever, there's a book that tells you exactly which ones are poisonous, which ones are good. So she preps them. The music's really going here. It's like pounding boom, boom. She. I'm so curious. Like, has she done this before? Because she seems so, like, confident but calm. And she's confident in that. She will likely get sick but will not die. I don't know one thing. She's trying to kill him because, you know, she literally prepares a thimble, a mouthful. So it's like she's preparing it, dumps it into the tea, and she thinks about it. But yeah, I mean, has she done something like this? I wouldn't put it past her. Right? Because it was like, who goes to that length of like, okay, right. I'll make him need me. Yeah, yeah. Yes, I, I think she's done it before I, I don't think she has only in the sense that I think there is legitimate concern when he first gets sick, where I wonder if she's thinking maybe I gave him too much. I think so, like, I think there's some mistake in her of like, how bad is this actually going to. Yeah, like like I meant to do this for sure, but I the whole entire point was that he doesn't die. This might be a little next time I do this. Half a thimble. Right? Like like I'm thinking of that, but I don't know. It's there that the poisoning is may have been the first time, but that definitely has, like, because it's that way of thinking where it's sort of like, I need him to need me. Yeah. What can I do? I feel like she has some shady past, like there's almost just one of those men that I'm like, wow. Like, she won't let up. No. And she is persistent. Yeah. So I'm like, I think she's done something shady before I. Yeah. And like it. And this is the allegory is like to be in a relationship means to be poison. Sure, sure. Yeah. Of course she, She's poisoned him. And during breakfast. Breakfast six. This is when Cyril asked Reynolds if she. If he wants alma to leave. And then, you know, don't don't pick a fight with me. You won't come out alive. I love that. I love him, and he looks like not his hair is a little disheveled, so maybe something isn't, you know, and the wedding dress is ready. And him just, like, inspecting the dress and and falling over on it. And one of my favorite scenes are the women in the house going to be being like, Mr. Woodcock is sick. And she's like, who had he fell in the dress? Who did he just like, can't compute with my brother's, like, never been sick in his entire life. He eats like everything's a routine. So what is this? And then, yeah, the dynamic of she really trying to. Cyril trying to assert her. You know, this is what we do. I've called the doctor, and I'm just like, you know. No. And I love them. Let me be unambiguous. You will leave the room right now. Come to the doctor. So they both have their points that they listen to. They don't like budge on those. And I you see a mutual respect coming out here. This is the one time, though, that alma actually listens to her. Who? Cyril. Yeah. Like when she comes out. Yeah, because I think she's afraid. Yeah. I think she's like, oh, this could be. I might be fucked up. Maybe. I went to movies and tells the doctor to fuck off. I love that, but there's a strange man. There's a strange young man in the room. Please ask him to leave. And then, of course, gonna bring it down a little bit, because this is this is just one of my favorite film scenes of all time. This is the entire ethos of the movie for me. Never cursed by Jonny Greenwood begin to play. He's Reynolds is like, still in this fugue poisoned state, and he has a vision of his mother in the wedding dress that he's made in him. I actually can't repeat the lines that he says, because I'll start crying because that's what happens. Makes me cry every time I think it is. So it really just sums up the movie for me. Like, I, you know, I hear you, I see you in my dreams and I hear you speaking. And then I wake up and then we don't see her talking, but he's like, I can't hear what you're saying. And then alma comes in and that actress is still there, but alma isn't here. It's just beautiful to me. I it's my it's one of my favorite moments in any film, certainly of the century so far. I just love it the whole way. It's staged. And you know, she's just in the corner. It's just great and it's so simple. Yeah, that's the thing. That's what I love about this is one angle on him. His voice is really. Yeah. Like down here. Oh, I love it. Are you here? I really hear so good. Are you here? Are you always here? I miss you. I think about you all the time. I hear your voice say my name when I dream. And when I wake up. With tears streaming down my face. I just miss you. Simple as that. I'd tell you everything. I don't understand what you're saying. I can't hear your voice. Then he wakes up and we get that gorgeous single shot starts under the skin. Kitchen table or some table. He goes in like, I think bites Alma's feet or something. Wakes her up. Yeah. You know, will you marry me? I love that, but I love this moment. I love the moment, though, like it takes her so. Oh, yes. Because I think she's definitely like, do I tell him that it was me? I mean, I think she's really contemplating like, can I. I never thought about that. Wow. I think you're right. I think she's probably weighing that, like, should I tell him? Yeah. Oh yeah. Not like, I don't know if I should marry this guy. There's that extra layer to it. Like, should I admit this because this marriage I had back then, like marriage was binding forever. Yeah. So it's like, I think for her, she's really like, can he know who I fully am? And like, what I did? Yeah, that's totally what I think she was like about some maybe. Absolutely. And there's also like, this is a two hitter. I don't know if it's an expression I don't three hitter. I don't know what you're about to talk about. So he says both I know okay I love you. And will you marry me? He's never said I love you before, right? I love you. I mean, that's how he starts. It's so it's so it's I love you, which she's been, like, searching for because she's said it. She said him and he's never said it back. And then it's followed by Will you marry me? Yeah. Which is a very interesting thing to me, because I'm sort of like, he was not going to make this decision because maybe he's never actually loved anyone before. I don't think I don't know if he's ever been taken care of in that way. Yeah, mama, or something like that. For who can't have in action with. Yeah. But then here's the question. This as a guy who's basically just like he's been taken care of to a point where, oh, you've done such a wonderful thing for me. Now I realize that I love you, and now I want to marry you. Like, is it just like, well, it's a bit selfish, I would say. I think he's been on the search for mom this entire. Well, yeah. And and now it's like the way he. The way she cared for him when he was sick. He's like, I found my new mom. Will you marry me? Yeah, that's really what it is. That's exactly what it is. But is that good? Yeah. Like this isn't. This isn't like, good. I know it's not, but poisoning what I feel. Right? Right. Then I have a question. Yeah. So the men in the room. Yes. Yeah. Like, do you think generally, or do you think it's the woman that makes the man want to get married? Or. It's like a time in his life where he's like, I'm ready to get married. And then the woman that is there, oh, okay. So for me personally, it was absolutely dependent on Ali. It was the woman. It wasn't like, oh, I'm ready. I'm a certain age in my life. I was like 35 and it wasn't going, oh, I'm 35. I need to be married. It was just this I didn't I never knew if this is in the cards for me. I mean, we were together for years before we got engaged and people here that we'll tell that story and they're like, why so long? And I'm like, we're just living like we weren't doing anything right. There was no like, issues. We were just living and that's the way it was going. And then let's do it. Let's do it. But it was, yeah, entirely dependent on her. And okay. Yeah. Okay. I think it should be that I and my personal opinion is, is that if you're going to because I don't believe in marriage, I'm just going to say that I do, but, I do. You know what? But if I, if, if, if, if I was going to, I think it should be that you've found a person that this is someone that you want to go into that next step. Yeah, but I know that there's a lot of dudes that do reach a certain age where they're like, I just want to be married. Yeah I don't yeah I've never really understood that because like okay I don't, I don't think there's anything wrong with that's where you want to be. But if it's not the right person exactly then what's the point then. No one's settling. Yeah I want to get married because of some arbitrary reason, but I and I know it can not necessarily marriage, but I know things can be different for women. For if you want to have children. Of course. So so I different. Yeah. Yeah I get, I totally get all that. But yeah to be like, no, I need to be married. And I'm going to like go out and try to because I'm ready to go find the person and maybe like, rush into it. Yeah. Now I'm married. Yeah. I don't think it should be like that. That's my thing. Yeah, it does, it does. Yeah. And I think for Mr. Woodcock, I think for him it was like, I think Alma's like the closest thing to mom. Yep. Oh, yeah. One who gets to marry him. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Nice simple wedding. I like that. Just like in the courthouse. Nothing fancy, isn't it? Romantic? Wrote well, yeah. Courthouses at the end of a courthouse. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I expect that. Yeah. Friends. Their own ways. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We can't are is extremely small on purpose because we did not want to. I've been to weddings that cost, a quarter of $1 million. It was fucking nuts. Are they still together? Yeah, yeah. I don't I don't have a connection with them any more. But as far as I know they are. But it was like, wow, this is a lot of money. Like, jeez, I don't know. So let's see. That's how I would feel like if you spend that much, well, we're never getting divorced because yeah, you're fact that our wedding cost this much money would just be like, I can't live with myself, right? I can't, I can't accept this defeat. Yeah. Mr. and Mrs. Reynolds Woodcock, they get, you know, married breakfast seven is the honeymoon in Switzerland, as we talked about. Almost to be loud. Yep yep yep. We can't. They shit about it. You ain't in the house of Woodcock no more, buddy. This is what you signed up for? Yeah, straight to the, This is the Lady Baltimore dinner. And this is the first time we're hearing alma be referred to as different. This is when the real. Yeah. But I loved it, like, from one scene to the next. Like I love you. Will you marry me? We get married, we're in Switzerland. Then they go to this party, and then they're off again. Like things just aren't. They're not on the same page about stuff. They don't sit with each other at dinner, which feels like a part of the way that dinner is set up. Yeah, I don't think that's supposed to, like, say much, but. And then this woman is like, oh, you know, the guy seems to be taking a liking. Oh, she has a glow. The freshly made glow. I'm like, what's your deal, lady? I'll try to disrupt this. It's great though, when she I love when they're getting to fight where they're play the game. Oh my God, what are you getting so upset about. Oh love that. So that was like very classic relationship of like the guy who just wins all the time. Yeah. And the girl's like yeah, this sucks because I never win. He's like, well if you won, you would love it. Yeah, exactly. He's like, where's my next? Yeah. Victim. My opponent. Yeah. So I love that wrong with you. And then yeah she's hearing rumblings some New Year's Eve. And then she waits till New Year's Eve and just says, I want to go dancing. And he's like, what? And I love it. It's like, I want to go at the leaves. And then we're just with it. It goes up to the door and like, looks like she and she really left. Like, that's crazy. And I wonder if she thought that things would change because they got married. And I think that's like the issues. She's like, okay, like a god. And things are going to be different. And he's like, nope, I'm still going to be the same my grumpy self. Yeah. And there really isn't much of like a honeymoon period. Like there is Switzerland. Yeah. And it's very brief. And then we really kind of get into just, oh, these realities now. Yeah. And I love that scene of him pacing and where he goes because I don't know, I think I've felt like that before where it's like I'm going to have to go and do this thing that I don't want to do because I can't not this was it like both guilt. But then also, I don't want to not be a part of her. Yeah, life or whatever this experience is going to be because it doesn't seem right, right, right. And that's what ultimately why I think he goes that, well, there's like an obligation. Yeah. Yeah. But I think he actually like he would rather do the thing he doesn't want to do. Yeah. Yeah. And that's like his big like love. That's large. Yeah. It honestly is. Yeah. He goes he's like looking for or finds her. Yeah. Yeah. Great little sequence to like no dialog piece. Yeah. No dialog. Get the balloons following. Looks great. I love the balloons. Yeah, yeah. So good. Looks so good, so good. And, and then. Yeah, like, the next scene is. He's pissed off again. Yeah. Countess Henrietta Harding doesn't want to be dressed by him anymore. She wants something chic. What does that fucking. What does that word fucking chic. Oh, God. It's so good. And then. Yeah, just an all timer like this is when you really realize it. Just because they got married here and. Okay. Yeah. Like going off from a two year old who's like, Teflon and can take it. And then Cyril does not make one. Just it changed her face when alma walks in right behind her and just. Yeah, let's let's him keep going and, eat his own words. And I love that. What a model of politeness you two are. He's so good at it. Yeah, I don't know. It's. Yeah, yeah, he's having a tantrum. There's an air of quiet death in this house. I do not like the way it smells. It's like is. What are you talking about? Like. Yeah, exactly. You just storms off because when you talk and someone says that about you, when alma talks behind him, it's like nobody gives a take is fucking that. He just puts his head out and smiles. He's like, thanks, Cyril. I love that is an air of quite death in itself. Oh, stop. So he, Yeah, he rims out alma. Straight to mushrooms to this. And I don't know if this is technically breakfast. This is either the last breakfast scene. It is an omelet. The last dinner, for sure. Yeah. Looks like, you know, some sort of. It might be dinner, I don't know, some sort of meal, but now. Yeah, the music's just really boom and boom boom. And I absolutely think him sitting there watching her prepare it. And then that whole little back and forth and just the great line of kiss me, darling, I'm sick. It's like, I mean, marvelous. That's absolutely love it. It's so good. And now they're just like in this vibe where she's sitting with him and he. Yeah, okay, the doctor and come in and check me out. She blows her little kiss like from across the room. I love it, I love this. It's like they've accepted we are going to be in a toxic relationship. Yes. And that's exactly what it is. Okay with it. Yeah. Yep, yep. So there's that's there's an interesting thing throughout the movie. The narrative thread is that it's this a lot of it is from Alma's perspective talking to this doctor. And, you know, in one of his when Reynolds Woodcock was sick, she's sitting there talking to him. So we're cutting back to this a lot and I shit you not. I don't know if I forgot this or what it was, but that, you know, she's doing the voiceover, talking to the doctor, and then there's like a brief break. And then she says, I imagined our future lives together. I always thought she was still talking to the doctor, but then we cut back and his head is in her lap and she's like, but we're here now. And I went, oh my God. She was saying that to him. Like, it just resonates so much more that she wasn't saying that to the doctor. She's saying with him, like, I really envision our life and then we get those beautiful flash forwards of, you know, her old with a baby carriage, kind of moving it back and forth. I just love that shit, I love it. Do you think that is what happened? Do you think those visions are like real life and that's what happened. See, I've always said it. I've always thought it did. I've always thought that that's, you know, their life together. I don't I don't see him having a kid. Why not? Just don't see it too. And er. Yeah. Too loud, too fussy and like he won't be the baby anymore. Yeah, yeah. Like he, he's not going to be a good father. Well maybe not, but that's a lot of people have kids that weren't good fathers. And so I be like that person is not her. Fortunately. Yeah. Being a good father is not a requirement. I, I don't think that it's actually okay. I think it's like her fantasy is. Yeah. And what I, I remember watching this last time being surprised by the one of like, her kind of being in charge of the dress shop, like she never seemed to take an interest in the actual like process of it. And even when he was sick the first time and she's kind of standing around while all of the other seamstresses are like, you know, taking over, oh, what can I do to help? I thought that was kind of like a bit a reach of her to feel like, oh, I'm going to rise above muse and I'm going to be in charge. So I saw these as like, fantasies because, yeah, I don't see them having a kid. I don't yeah, I don't part of me thinks he dies. Well, there goes that dream Jesus Christ guys. Oh that fucking hell. I was like that. And it ends in a nice way. I think everything they show us is what's going to happen here. Like these flash floods. I don't think they're they're flash forwards. And as the kid thing, he's I don't know what maybe 20 years older. So he'll be, you know, gone and it like until I have more time with the kid. So season by default. Don't worry you won't be around much longer. Yeah I don't know. Oh, you think he just dies? I think he died. Yeah, I think yeah I think the reality is the very end of the movie where he's just, she's standing there like, yeah, their relationship is going to be their relationship as it is. It's going to it's just going to keep going the way that it. Yeah. But this is how it is. Yeah. It's a very modern and oh yeah I love it like they do. The second title card. Perfect. Perfect. Put my hand on my heart. It's great. See, look, I didn't take long to go through the movie scene by scene by way too long. Meal by meal, meal by meal. Yeah. How many breakfasts? Seven. Well, eight, if we count the last omelet, but there might be, like, a breakfast for dinner type situation. Seven official breakfast food, though. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. Yeah. Breakfast food. Then she just used so many mushrooms. That's why I'm like, how does he live for that one? She does when she's making the omelet. She uses a lot, but he only has one bite. So how many I don't she's not house in that whole thing. I think he has a bite. Okay. So he doesn't die that. Never mind. There we go. He lived that. He lived. It was one bite. She actually poisoned for real estate? Yeah. She lives. Okay. Okay, cool. But I still think. You think you mentioned, like, they, you know, like, have a kid and, like, they go and she. Okay. No, I think they live. And, like, it's just miserable for the next 35 years. Yeah, yeah I agree Jesus Christ. All right. Well there you go. Jen. This really just, you know, they'll discover how they keep discovering. Yeah, yeah. All right. But misery misery misery. But it's like their love keeps it going. Love is misery. Yeah. Yeah I mean love, love is poisoning and being poisoned. Yeah, sure. Why not? Why not say the chasing of evolved. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I have a slightly more optimistic view of this because of, I don't know, I'm like, I don't know. That's hilarious. Well, you have no choice. Well, yes, I signed up for it. You have to just believe that what you've. I don't have to take it. You. Because I married the end of Phantom Thread or legitimate flash forward just because. I mean, let's start with that. He finds happiness. Yeah, well, I think that they. Yeah, they like the thrill. I think that's what I think is funny about her is some people might be like, oh, he's such an asshole, but like, she's as bad, like she worse. She the felon at that. Oh, okay. Facing him, what law did she break? Well, I mean, I mean, do you have a gun? It's a felon. I mean, it's attempted murder. She had a retention murder. Yeah. I feel like she's actively participating in this very toxic relationship and, like, does her own part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think she likes the fight. She likes. I think she does too. Oh, very. There has to be an aspect. Yeah. Where she does is you don't just go right from like, you can fuck off to wherever you came from. The poisoning. Right? Yeah. Without being like, I like this. Yeah. Exactly. Yes, yes. So, in the wake of the movie before it's released, a really weird thing happened, and that's it. Daniel Day Lewis says this is my last movie. I'm not doing another movie, and I don't. I mean, I've heard everyone has been asked about this to like everyone. I don't know if I'll hold true to it, but it seems like that is could be the case. And that put a lot more like the first time I saw it, I was just going do it like, wow, this is the last performance from him. We're going to get. We'll see if he does it. But if it's his last one, it was a hell of a sendoff. Did he specify that he made the decision before the movie, before they filmed? Like this is going to be my last, or was it after? I don't know, because he released the statement. It was like April 2017, the movie, it was coming out in December. So he said, Phantom Thread will be my last movie. I don't know if it was. I don't know if it said when he made the decision and he's he's done shit like this before. That's part of the yeah, yeah. Did after the boxer, he's like, I'm going to go move and learn how to make shoes, which is what he really did like in Ireland, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And then exactly. And then Scorsese comes and hires him for gangs in New York. But I don't know. We'll see if he's serious. But yeah, it's wild to watch it. You know, that's another lens to watch it through. This great actor, maybe the greatest living actor is now. Maybe he was so satisfied. He was sure. I'm sure I mean, this. Yeah, his roles took a lot out of him. Oh, yeah. You put a lot into him. You learned how to fucking kill for this. You learned how to make dresses, saying. Yeah, I mean, and he seems to be the type of person that just loves to throw himself into whatever the next thing is. And maybe acting is sort of like, oh, I have to do all of this. Not necessarily because I want to I have to learn sewing because this is what's needed. Yeah. As opposed to actually, I just want to go to Kabul. Right, right. I don't know, for instance, like, really what I want to do. Yeah. Yeah. But it was, it was a, I love when it came out, it got a bunch of surprise Oscar nominations and no one really thought that was going to happen. One, one, which is great. The reputation online. This movie has a really good rep because it's memed a lot with just crazy shit that he says. So it'll pop up a lot with like, there's you can definitely see like Phantom Thread out of context stuff and it'll, it'll be like captioned and you'll see him saying there's a quiet air of death in this house, and I don't like the way it smells. So it lives pretty well online. I have the 4K which looks great. There are fuck off. There are some like screen tests and like one deleted scene in the on the 4K, but there. But it's not the all timer of deleted scenes. I don't know if you guys have seen this. It exists. It's online. That's one of the breakfasts where where cereal goes. Don't pick a fight with me. I'll, you know, go right through. You'll end up on the floor. They kept that going in. And Lesley Manville and Daniel Day-Lewis got into a massive food fight. No, a fucking food fight. And he breaks character like he in the fight because she goes to get her carrot juice or tomato juice and he's like, no, no, no. And this is done. No, no, we're done. But they're really going for it. They're like sitting there. He's throwing shit on her, throwing cream on her. And I guess they just kept going and it wouldn't maybe it would have been cool to see, but dude, it's fucking nuts. You can oh my god. Oh no. Oh we got oh it's hilarious. Sounds amazing. It's so funny. I don't know why they didn't include that on the 4K. I go again where you need more. It's like hey, whoa. That's not my character. And keep it straight back and forth. Just like, ready your cereals for. Oh. It's great though. It's. Wow, wow. And then you see Daniel Day-Lewis in real time break. He's not Reynolds. What? He's like. I don't want this character's portrait. Okay, I'll come on, come on. He doesn't say that, but that's why. Yeah. It's hysterical. It's so funny. Well, now would probably show like, their childhood, right? You know, it's. Yeah. Like. Yeah. I have so many questions about the backstory, but I'm, I'm curious if there are answers. I doubt that PTA, like, really flesh it out. Maybe he did, but I don't think he needed to flesh out. Right. You know, I feel like the actors probably did that for themselves. Yeah. I imagine when you have actors like that, yeah, I'm sure there's probably conversation. Yeah. But the PTA doesn't really seem to be one. Like, he's not like Quentin Tarantino, where it's like, I have this all figured out before the actors even get here. Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's more open to interpretation or collaboration. Yeah. I mean, DDL could have talked about that perhaps. Yeah. Love this movie. Every time I watch it, it gets better. As we said. Yeah. What else? What else do we miss? What else are in your notes there, buddy boy? I'm good. Okay. If you're good. Dedicates every movie to someone. Phantom thread is dedicated to his longtime mentor Jonathan Dombey, who passed away, apparently is a crazy fact that filming of Phantom Thread was completed on April 26th, 2017, the same day that Jonathan Dummy died from cancer. So it's dedicated. And that's pretty wild. Yeah, that's just weird how that stuff works out. But how do you feel? I yeah, what else? Yeah. This movie holds up for me. It's like sometimes movies don't age well, but, you know, it's very toxic. And I know that. I think that's why it's so lovely. It's like it just shows the reality. Yeah. Certain relationship dynamics that exist that are real. And, it's a beautiful, beautiful ride. But I also I'm very curious that, like, I read and PTA with their license licenses, like, well, we won't get into that because it's personal, but it just makes you wonder. Yeah, there's. Yeah, I meant to bring this up earlier with your Gary Oldman comment. Daniel Day-Lewis one wife, I believe. Rebecca miller. Really? Yeah. Rebecca. Bill. Yeah. And then PTA one wife. He's been in other relationships. Maya. Rudolph. So there is a huge difference in PTA films when you look at heart. Eight Boogie Nights, Magnolia, and Punch-Drunk love, those are all living in a specific world. Takes five years off. In that five years gets married. I think maybe they have a kid or two. I think that for now and then there's there Will be blood, which is a much more, much more, just as we were talked about, like classical controlled, he seems to be to me a little more stable in his personal life. So you get something a little more, I don't know, controlled. So I think it that that's I think there is a very clear like PTA before there Will be blood. It's like the but maybe it was getting married that did that to kind of like calm things down. Yeah. I'm not going to make movies about people like bombing lines of Coke all the time and yes and. Yeah, no, you know. No, I'm trying to think, are there no real like, sex scenes anymore? Like Boogie Nights had a lot. Magnolia. There's some crazy stuff in The Master, but I wouldn't call that, like sexy. There's like a maturing. Yeah. There's absolutely. Yeah. Maturing. But I think we've witnessed happen to him in real time throughout his career kind of for this reason. Yeah. That's so cool. So you're saying that marriage will make you more mature? Sure. Perhaps it can. It can not in Phantom Thread. No, no, but for some people's careers. Yeah, I guess some, some people, like, they thrive once they're in a relationship. And then I think there are artists like Gary Oldman. Yeah, I'm probably just very passionate with a lot of different people, and that could be great to. And I think there are some, like you said this earlier in the pod where it's like, can you actually find that balance? And I think there are some because I've heard some actors, like, I guess you really have to want it. I think you, you like, you have to be prepared that there's going to be a sacrifice to both things where I think certain actors like maybe, I mean, I don't know Gary Oldman, but for six wives, clearly, like it leaned more in this direction. Yeah. But then there are some actors that are like, no, my family means everything. And I'm only like, they'll they'll pass on roles. Yeah, because they've got dates where. No, that's that's my family's vacation. Yeah. So I'm not going to take this movie. Right. Which is a crazy thought to me. Yeah. Or like my kids like, I won't do it while the kids are in school because I do do the drop on it. Yeah, exactly. In the end, these are very real things that happen. So it's not really all dependent. Yeah. Yeah it is. It is I love it. Movies. They're great, aren't they. Great. I'm actually going to go first with what are you watching? I guess finally we let our guests go typically last. But I'm doing something deliberate. Don't roll your eyes at me because it's a bit of a cheat on your list that you sent us. Mickey. Your list of movies? Yeah, it had the five, but it started with a sentence that I didn't even know how you felt. You were like, well, waves and shame are obvious. Those. And then. But here are the five. And we've covered waves and shame. So I wanted to recommend shame because I just want to talk to you about it and like, what do you like about she has her hand on her heart. Oh my god. Like we actually have a funny story about this too. I have a lot of funny stories about shame. I've seen this movie an absurd amount of times. Like it? Like, yeah. So I want to know what you like about it. Shame is one of my favorite movies. Yeah, but I've learned now that like, that is not always celebrated by people. Never. Do you have any idea the looks I've gotten? I showed this movie to my wife. She was a fucking lunatic. I was like, what? That. Wait, so I was like, dating someone? I don't know, last summer, very, very casual. And like, he kept saying, I was like a nice person. I was like, okay, cool. Like, I think I'm a decently nice person, sure. But it's not like I don't I don't think I'm like the nicest. So then we like, maybe it's been like a month and we get into like our favorite movies. And I tell him that shame is one of my favorite movies, and he has like a lot of questions about it. And he's also an actor. So I felt like it's in safe space. Yeah. I was like, yeah, like, you know, I've kind of had like a crazy history when it comes to like, relationships and stuff. And this just like, was so raw and so real and so ugly that, like, it made me feel like, wow, you can talk about this stuff in this way. And it didn't make me feel shame. It made me feel seen in. And after that conversation, this guy goes, have you seen the movie? Yeah, I think so. I don't think he got out. I think he was freaked out. Fuck that. That's speaking my language. I'd be like, oh, that's yes, that is what the movie is doing. Yeah, you missed out, sucker. You missed out. But it was funny. You, me like try to come back like, I don't know, like months later. And I just like a funny conversation after that. But yeah, I think I scared him because she was one of my favorite with me. Yes. This is what I wanted. This is amazing. That's the power of shame. Shame, shame. Hundred one minutes long. But, no, I love it. I love it because I think it talks about, like, addiction and such. I don't know, such, like a real. Yeah, and they never even say that word. That's a real right. And it's not glamorized. I think, like, oftentimes like you watch a movie and it's like, oh, it's like so sexy to be like addicted to something. It's like, it's not. It's very painful. Yes. It makes you have a lot of like self-hatred. And I think that's a shame and a lot of shame. I think Fassbinder's relationship to his sister is, like, so bizarre, but so necessary to have in the film as to why he is the way he is. And yeah, I don't know, as someone who's had a colorful past and has found myself in situations where you're like, why the fuck was I in that situation? This movie to me is like so beautiful because I think it does justice to like going through ugly points in your life and not knowing what to do. Yeah. And if anyone's afraid of that I'm sorry. Don't apologize for. Well yeah. Maybe you haven't lived a full life okay. No you have I think. Yeah I think anyone who like appreciates that movie and sees it for all the ways that you're saying you've seen life, you've lived, you've seen life. I don't wish it on people. Of course. Of course. I've dealt with addiction. It's like such a beautiful film. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And that's something that's following me around my whole family stuff and yeah, addiction is not certainly something that I'm not unfamiliar with in that better than any movie I've seen about addiction. It doesn't even matter to me that it's about sex. It's about this compulsion, this thing. And yes, to your point, it is not fun. It is not glamorous. I don't care what it is. It ain't fun. No. Maybe it was years and years and years ago, but now it's like it ruins. It's dominating this guy's whole life. Yeah. And I think that's what I love about it is like it goes a step beyond what we typically see. It's like we typically see like a cliché version in my opinion, of what addiction is. But this like, yeah, to your point where it's it's like he has like, I don't know just how it destroys your life and who lives around the people around you. And also like the, the potential life, you know, like it ruins the potential connection that you could have with someone because you can't let it go if you don't like, deal with it. So, I don't know. I think it's just. Yeah, such like, such a raw way of showing, like, the future life. You ruined right past, present future. Like all of it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that. I, last December I was going to see play in New York, and I just went by myself, took the train and I've always wanted to do, like, a little shame. Location tour I can't wait. I haven't yet, so I went to like, all of them. And when I got off the train, I went, wait a minute. He runs from his apartment to Madison Square Garden, which is where Union Station is, and I'm like, I can do this walk. So I just I can't believe I never done it, I did it, I'm I'm at the front of his building and I'm like, oh, this is so cool. You don't need a, key to get in the building. So I just walk into, like, the middle of the day. The guy at the front desk stand was so nice. He was like the nicest guy. He was waving to me and thought, I, like, live there. And I'm like, oh, I don't live here. One of my favorite movies was shot here. He had he didn't know what movie it was. You know, it's fine. And I went, can I just turn the corner and take pictures of the elevator bay? And he's like, sure, okay, go for it. And I did. He was so nice. And then I stayed in the standard that night, which is where he. Yeah, this coworker stayed there. That was awesome. Like the same type of room. Very cool, very cool stuff. I remember him in that picture. Yeah. I was like, oh, up here, up here. I should do that the next time I'm in New York. It was a lot of fun, very like trendy, you know, hotel, that type of deal. But it was just cool to be in the type of room he was. And you know, you get that view who's also. Oh so cool. I love that shit. So I didn't I did not know you had that big of a connection with it. So I love it. So that was my recommendation. Just I just wanted to talk about it. So thank you for that. Oh, God. You sir, I got nothing that good like I got like that. I'm not gonna be able to top that. Well, do whatever you want. You gotta read. I'm gonna have to talk to her about something that she likes. Oh, we know because I brought a movie to the table that I want to recommend. Well, then do that. What is it? What is it? What is it? It's a really. It's a really. It's a cheat because it's in their to movie. It's okay, it's fine. But I've rep this movie hard in the podcast before, so I'm just doing it again. Okay. Licorice pizza okay. I thought you were going to say. Oh, interesting, I love it. Have you seen that one? I have, yeah, it was like not my favorite as a lot of people's favorite. Yeah. Yeah a lot of people. It's just it's a shaggy movie. Like there's no real narrative like thing. Yeah. It's very loose. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it wasn't like I disliked it. It just didn't move me in any way. I was just like, okay, kind of after. Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. I'm in love with him. So all of them. So her being there a lot and then you know, Danielle are there as well. And their parents that's actually like their real parents. It. So yeah I like it I haven't seen it probably since you and I saw it I think I've seen it I think it's from my mom okay. And she loved it. Yeah. I got to see that. There's just something like. Yeah, there it is. Very loose. There isn't anything there. But sometimes I kind of like finding a movie that's like that. Yeah. Where, like, I remember it dawned on me, like, maybe like 15 minutes. I go, I think this is all this is going to be, right? But then, then within that I'm like, well, I'm kind of curious as to where it goes. And, and then you're just met with, like, all these ridiculous scenes like the Sean Penn thing is just love. That's so funny to me. And I like that. It's just it's the stakes aren't very high. It's the two very confused young people I know. There's the age discrepancy that everyone has a big problem with. I don't know, I didn't really 70s. It was just it's just hooking up there. Yeah. It was just it. And then her whole entire thing is, is like, why am I hanging out with this kid? Yeah. Like she's not happy with her station in life and she's just as confused about it as anyone. Right. And so I was like, that's like the point of her character. Yeah, yeah, but I just love it. I did too. Yeah. Great pic. That's all I got I love it. Yeah. It's good. Anything it's like you recommend this is hard because I feel like, I don't know, there's so many you can pivot right now and just talk about ten. It doesn't have to be this one. You can do whatever you want okay okay. Well okay. I'll mention like a couple that are kind of related to Phantom Thread, just in terms of relationships and slow burner movies that are also gorgeous in my opinion. So in the mood for love. Oh, I yeah, that's like one of my favorites just because every little detail matters. And so and also like the tension that's there is just so good and then also Cold War by. Oh wow. Oh like oh yeah 2018 I think it was rocks. That is like I think it's over like 30 years ago a couple and just one of them's an artist or both of them. An artist I can't remember should I can't. Well the one she's like a shame. Yeah. You're like just having this, like, angst about her and, like, just very, I don't know, out loud with her love. And then the guy is, like, a little bit more reserved and just, it's like a beautiful love story. It really is a good call. So. Yeah. Love those two. For, like, relationship reasons and just like the drama and beauty of it all. Yeah. And then one that I just think everyone needs to watch because, like society would be better if we did is Origin by Ava DuVernay okay. That movie came out last year. Did not get the type of attention I think it deserved. It's based on a book cast. Yeah, yeah. So it's based on the author of the book. So it takes like a, like a really interesting way of talking about this, like concept of like cast in terms of how we view people and how we rank them in society of, like, who's the elite versus who's the commoner? Who do we pay attention to, who do we not pay attention to? And it threads like American slavery with Nazi Germany with the caste system in India, all through this woman who wrote the book through her tragic life, like she just goes through like all these different tragedies. But I think it's stunning. It's beautiful. And it like, will change how you like, view humanity. So it's like a very what is selling. So let me leave it I love it, I love it. I'm so glad you liked it. Yeah. Did you read the book? I, I actually haven't read the book. I bought the book. It's sitting on my shelf. It just feels too intimidating right now to get into. Oh, yeah, but the movie I like bawled the whole time. Oh, wow. Wow. Because that that's such like a that's such like I wonder like how the book adaptation is for the movie just because it seems like such a very, very not, not, convoluted, but like a very dense way of mixing a lot of different things that work in the movie. Well, I think that's why the movie's so beautiful, because she focuses on the author. And so you like, that's the. Yeah. So like, you connect with her as, like a journalist becomes an author and how she has her own personal relationships and how she, like, has to rely on the people around her to get her story made. So it's like a very, I think, like, high level way of like talking about a topic, but making it personal. Yeah. And that's, that's what you have to do. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the way in. Because I mean, you could like, have college courses about what the book gets into. But the movie, I think does a beautiful job of like condensing. Yeah. In a way it's relatable. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Cool. Great shout outs I love that. Nice. Yeah. I didn't know about the, I mean, I knew like loosely about that caste system in India, but I didn't know it was. I have friends who've read the book and they say it's like their favorite book ever. Yeah, I didn't know about any of that. It was wild. Yeah. It, like, flips everything on its head. Just like the way we like you humans. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, very, like high level, but I love it. Good, good. Well, thank you for those. Those are all great. Yeah. What else. Anything else you got going on like auditioning film, TV? Yeah. Those are the main goals. And then doing voiceover, which is always fun. And I have my children's books and I also this is called Cake Mix learning to love all your ingredients. It's a very cute like children's book because I, I don't know, I was bored during Covid. Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah. But it's been really fun to kind of have a story that exists in the world that I, I get to meet the people that it's impacting. So it's like doing like school visits or festivals. I recently did a festival as like for Hispanic Heritage Month. And this girl, she's, I think in junior high now, but I met her last year and she came up just like, hey, like, do you remember me? I was like, yeah, I remember you. Like, I met her whole family. And her family is like very mixed, like multicultural. So it really resonated with them. And she's like, yeah, like, I keep your book in a glass box for all my important things. And I like, oh. So yeah, it's like, that's why I wrote it. It's like to connect with kids and to help them understand, like who they are in a way that's like light and fun, yet important at the same time. So yeah, cake mix can be found on Amazon or bookshop or wherever you like to buy your books. One. Yeah, and it's fun. I don't know, I think I've had friends to who are like adults who are mixed, who love it, and also people who are not mixed, who enjoy it too. Like I think it's for everyone. So yeah, a little way to be a storyteller. Yeah, I love that. I look for it every single time I go to a bookstore. Do you like I literally am the weird guy that goes in children's section. Yeah. And I was like, so let me say that out loud, I, I love I go to the children's this year. Yeah. Mixed. Oh I love that. So what a story to to hear that. Like I keep it in a glass. That sucks. Oh so so sweet sweet. Like, why do we make stories right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Make people feel I don't know. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Exactly, exactly. And when you're able to share it and it and you get that type of response, that's just what it's all about. Yeah. It's very cool. Thank you so much for doing this. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes. Thank you. So I'm so happy I want to do it every time I come to L.A. Like oh yeah. Get you on a pod. Yeah. This is great. I really loved all the different perspectives that, you know, we talked about as it relates to Phantom Thread. It was fun. A lot of fun. Good times. Times. Maybe the best guess we've had. Oh, absolutely. 1,000%. Yeah. And I am the first since the first woman. Yeah. Oh man gets to talk about film. Yes. Yeah, yeah. God. All right. Let us know what you think. Phantom Thread of Nic's performance on this podcast. We don't make you did. Well, I like Nick's notes. Yeah, yeah. Handwritten notes. Yeah, I was saying. Right. I'm on my laptop here. Just a few. Just a few. You didn't have any. You just have a great. I watched it three days ago. Yeah, it was press. Yeah, it was up there. Let us know what you think of Phantom Thread of Everything at WA w underscore podcast on Instagram. Twitter. We're out there. What's the other one? Letterboxd. We're out there to let us know. But at what? I just sign up for Letterboxd. Yeah, I follow you about it. And I'm like, follows like another app. But no I'm excited. Yeah. There it's yeah okay. Do it, do it. All right. But as always thanks for listening and happy watching. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was amazing. So thank you guys. It's awesome. I feel like 72 because I was like I don't talk about movies. I know you I like talking with friends but not like formally. So this is fun. Well and that's and that's kind of like how we try to do it. Right. Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick. Hey, everyone. Thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex withrow.com. Nicholas Dose Telecom is where you can find all of Nick's film work. Send us mailbag questions at What Are You Watching podcast at gmail.com or find us on Twitter, Instagram and Letterboxd at WRI w underscore podcast. Give it up for the great Mickey Hernandez. What a privilege to have her on. Loved all of her insights on Phantom Thread. Shame, shame. 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