122: 2024 Oscar Predictions

It’s the most wonderful time of year, and there’s a lot to cover as we lead to the 96th Academy Awards. As Alex and Nick break down every Oscar nomination, stray topics include an animated film Alex loves, a truly horrific documentary, Downey’s lack of humility, an extremely close Best Actress race, Kevin O’Connell as the GOAT sound mixer, the jackass of the awards season, a wide-open Adapted Screenplay category, “Anatomy of a Fall’s” chances, “Oppenheimer’s” potential win count, and so much more.
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Hey, everyone. Welcome to what are you watching? I'm Alex Witt there and I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How you doing there, Louis Straws. Don't call me Strauss. man, I don't know if I can. Can. I can't do an impression. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. Yeah. Bottom line, the only the best time you could do to pressure, it's like at the end would. He's like he would do it all over. Wow. God, I love him. Bucket. We're going to talk about him. I have some other bone to pick with already, Jay, but we're going to talk about him. You're excited to be here? I'm excited. It's that time of the year. Alex. Oscar predictions. It's the most wonderful time of the year. I mean, this is this is just wild because most years, some years every year since we've had this podcast going when, when we're doing the Oscar predictions episode, this episode, we always try to have a good attitude. You know, you were like a pig in shit last year. Your favorite movie of the year did very well, ended up doing very well, and that's okay. Second favorite favorite movie? Not when we recorded episode. When we recorded episode, that son of a bitch was your favorite. It was, you know, a year later, you very wisely stepped off Field Babylon as your favorite film of 2022. Not everything everywhere anyway. This is the 2024 Oscars for the year, for the movies of the year 2023. We're here today. We are going to talk about what we think is going to win, what movies are going to win, what performances are going to win. We're going to try to contextualize why they're going to win, because as as we like to say, to win an Oscar for a movie or a performance to win an Oscar, nowadays, you got to have a narrative. You usually have to have a narrative that that the press is touting, that your publicity team is getting out there. We're in the thick of it. We are recording this episode on Sunday, March 3rd. I'm going to get it out there as quickly as I can. Here we are voting for the Oscars, ended a few days ago, so it's going to be fun. Tell them what we're doing. Tell them what we're doing. Tell them the exciting news that I was going. It's exciting. It is. It is. It's. I can't believe you talked me into doing this. Yes. Okay, here's one. Here it is. Here it is. A little housekeeping, actually, before we get to the predictions, little housekeeping, but all fun stuff as it relates to the Oscars, The next time we record a podcast, we will be in person. I will be flying out to Los Angeles, as I usually do, to watch the Academy Awards with you for the first time ever. And what are you watching? History. We're going live. are we going live at 3 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, Sunday, March 10th, 2024. Keep in mind, the Oscars are starting an hour earlier this year. So if you're on the East Coast, they usually start at eight. They're starting at seven. The plan right now is to go live one hour before the actual telecast begins and then stay live right up until the telecast starts. So the telecast on Pacific Time will begin for us at 4 p.m.. That means we are going to go live at 3 p.m.. What are we going to talk about? We're going to have the red carpet on in the background on mute, but we're mostly going to be talking about our final day of predictions. Here's who we think is going to win. Do you have questions for us about anything, about the Oscars, about movies you can ask us live if you don't have time to tune in because you're in a different country or you're just busy that day. I later will be posting it on YouTube, so you'll be able to see it there because I'm going to download the video file and upload it later. So that'll be fun. That's it. We're going live, baby. Yeah. Talk to us, everyone. We're going to be live. We got your question. You got it. So this was your idea? Yes. Yes. One hour before the Oscars, during the red carpet. We'll be talking about the red carpet. We can talk about the dresses and the suits in, though, and who. yes. But yeah, questions, questions come at us. We want to talk to you, man. Movie buffs very excited because this has been something that I've wanted to do for a while where it's just like, let's get let's get some live interaction. We're having this a sick hotel. We do? Yeah, we've got a sick hotel room. So it's going to be, you know, nice setup and it'll just it'll be all good. You'll see us in I mean, certainly me like this is, this is my entire day weekend. Like, I get very, very excited for this stuff. So will this be being rare for very excited. But yeah, it's not going to take us long to go through each category live. But tonight if you have questions, submit them. You can ask live, you know, on Instagram or you can submit them early via social media or email, whatever. Our Instagram handle probably should have set this up. Top is w a y w underscore podcast. That's what it is on all social media that we're on. But we will go live on Instagram probably like 5 minutes before that, wait for people to come hang out. It'll be great. Yeah, come hang out. It's going to be a lot of fun. I will be sipping champagne. Who knows what you'll be doing? I'll be hammered. my God. Already. And then there'll be a direct correlation from that recording to the next podcast recorded directly after the show, the coveted post-Oscar show. All right, so that's housekeeping one housekeeping item two. This doesn't have to do with the Oscars, and I can make this real quick. I I've received so many nice messages about the Slippers podcast and just in general, I mean, from from people I work with shout out to Kat who did the succession podcast with me and Emma Rose. They're both huge fans. Big shout out to them. Fat people on Instagram, reach out about that episodes. We've had a few people on Instagram. Our new fan, Riley, tell us that just just us talking about the Oscars has gotten him into watching the show and like into it. And I looked at this and I was like, What? I just I don't know. I never thought to be, like, bravely guarded, complaining mostly. Let's be honest, complaining about this governing body of the Academy Awards that that would motivate people to become interested. But, I mean, you know, it's just great. It's great. I'm so happy that people are interested in it. People are digging the show and and that, you know, when we do get serious, people respond to that, too. So it's all it's just all good. Thank you. That's it. Thank you. And you're welcome. You humility. You have about as much humility as the probable supporting actor this year. All right, let's do it or get to it. I'm kidding. No. Okay. Here we go, 2024 Oscars. We're going to do these per your recommendation, and we're going to lead to best picture. Best picture will be last, an ascending order ascending. Yes. We're going to talk about every movie, every category. We're going to get into it. I have not been able to see everything. I've been able to see everything that is pretty much available. But I've seen I've seen a lot. So let's get into it. We will have our rock solid predictions. Yeah, on our Instagram live. So that will be our finalized. You follow it with us if you want to. But right now we're going to give our loose predictions and and some things that maybe we haven't seen and talk about potentially what the narratives could be, because there are some interesting things even where we're starting that I think they're actually pretty new for. yeah, yeah. There's some there's some good stuff here and there's it's definitely going to be different content. Like what we're doing right today is we're going to explain a lot of the narratives and how we got there when we go live right before the Oscars. We're not going have time to get into each race. So that's what this is. And I don't think my opinions are going to change. I think everything is kind of sealed up. I mean, voting's done. So, yeah, to the voters, everything sealed up. We'll see. And don't forget, there is a very, very real and very, very true deal of the shit that we do for you that you're holding me to that. he no knows. I told him. I told him yes. Yeah. All right. So to clue everyone in on this and then I promise we'll get to these awards, the bet is that if you get more winners right than me, then I have to give you $500. But if I do more winners right than you, then I get to punch our friend. Friend of the pod Dan in the face once said, Dan has been made aware of this. He said he didn't really have a problem. I did shape it up a little bit and I said, I can wear a boxing glove and but I won't go at you like full strength. But then he said, What's actually going to happen? And I was like, I don't know. It's really tough. Like Nick and I agree personally on our like what we think the best performances are, the best movies are, but that what you think is the best is not necessarily mean what you think's going to win. So I don't know. It's everyone's got to stay tuned. no, You're punching him in the army. Punching me in the face and in the face. I can, yes. just give a little tap. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. Of knock them out. All the judges knock him out. Just give it right in the kisser. All right, here we go. We're just so with an award. I've had a lot of difficult time with this year, and that is short film animated. These nominees are usually the easiest to find. The filmmakers put them out. You know, usually a few of them are on Netflix or they're usually just out there on YouTube. I've only one of these right now is available for free on line, and that's the only one I've seen, which is 95 senses, which was really good and has this little twist in it where I went, my God, I didn't see that coming. Like it was. It was really good. That's the only one I've seen. The other nominees Letter to a Pig. Our uniform. My Pachyderm Army War is Over. Inspired by the music of John and Yoko. These are frequently the ones I get wrong. These three short film on a very hard to call every year. I don't know. One of my best years ever was the slap you slap in year when I got. I only missed two categories that year and that was documentary short and live action short. These are always tough because yeah, like one, it's very hard to see them. They usually do a thing where they release in theaters. The whole entire lineup of all the short films are animated in live action, and that's out there now. Yeah. If you wanted to see every nominated short that way, that's always an option. Yes. So I should have said that that. But as some of the other categories, every nominee is online and part of me is just like, put it, put it online. I you know, but anyway, it would make more sense because if you're trying to get people, yeah, you should just make these things a little bit more available because it's only going to enhance the experience because you'll be able to actually instead of just being like, I don't know what these movies are, I've never seen them, right? Instead be like, yeah, actually I watched these. I would love to try to see these. I mean, just kind of going by the title, I like Letter to a Pig. That's a great title. And then the John and Yoko one, you know, you get some recognition there, but Letter to Pick is great.$0.95 is was good if you just type $0.95 is like into Google I think it was available for free on like documentary plus only 11 minutes it it had a turn it like a dark turn it I went okay this is this got real and I appreciated that, you know, but I would have watched them all. I know because the next category, I've seen all but one. And, you know, they were a little easier to see that short film live action. So here are the nominees we have the after I even talked about some of these in a recent episode, the After, which is David Aiello. Yep. And that's on Netflix. It's very easy to find invincible was wow. The filmmaker put that on his Vimeo page. Highly recommend that it's about a just a troubled a troubled kid who yeah it reminded me of some things I discussed on the Sleepers episode actually. So I, I really recommend that Knight of Fortune was easy to find. That's about two guys who meet in the morgue red, white and blue is the only one. I haven't seen it. I tried to rent it on the filmmakers website. It would not let me. But I think what's going to win is the Wes Anderson directed the wonderful story of Henry Sugar, and I think that's probably the way it's going to go in terms of winner. You can watch that on Netflix very easily. And that's going to be funny because that's going to be if that wins, it'll be the first Oscar. Wes Anderson has. God, that's funny. Well, yeah. Is it? Did you like it? yeah. Yeah. Not. Not. Not really. Sorry at all of the ones I've seen. It's my least favorite. I've been seeing all this on letterboxes. I've been reviewing them what he's doing lately. He's, he's losing me a little bit and that's, it's a total taste esthetic thing. That's all the hat on. The hat. The what Asteroid City was. It was like a play being adapted into like a TV show. And then the French Dispatch was like all these different all these different story ideas. I guess it's the way he likes to tell stories now. He's been doing it kind of from the beginning, even. I think I've gone on this JAG before. Like The Royal Tenenbaums starts. He's showing you the pages of the books like at the beginning of every chapter. Yeah. So that's like, okay, this is an adaptation of a fictional book. It's just too much stuff. It's too much mess. So he seems to be complicating his movies a great deal just in terms of structure. And I'm not sure why, and I don't think that really adds much to them. So it was okay. But I liked I think my favorite on the list is Invincible. That's my personal favorite. The the after is getting quite a bit of billboard loves here in L.A.. I see. Okay. Yeah So many billboards for that one. That's what I call, like a one scene short. It has more than one scene, but it all comes down to its final scene and you're like, okay, you spent 10 million, 10 minutes building up to this. Can the actor pull it off? And to me he does. But it's it's real raw, like real raw. No, no fancy stuff. Just raw. Like in the street clinging to life type stuff. Yeah. Not not that I love hearing that. It's got some billboard. The red, white and blue. That's I think that's about like one of the flags that is in the world that have those colors. That's about abortion. shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's what it's about. Starring Brittany Snow, I believe. And I tried three times to rent that for 399 on the director's Vimeo page. And every time it just didn't work. And I went, Okay, I guess you're the only one that doesn't want me to be able to see your short, but whatever, since the night I was way off. Wow. Now the next category, these are the ones that are usually the hardest to find. Usually the only way to see the nominees for documentary short subject is to go to that movie theater screening that you're talking about, which you can also rent them online where you're renting like all five at once or seeing all five at once. All of these are available to see online for free. Most of them are on YouTube. We have the ABCs of book burning, very political about, you know, books that are being banned a lot in schools. yeah. There's, there's, it's like huge thing. Yeah. Yeah. The Barber of Little Rock another I mean, really good documentary about equality and equity, which is a big topic right now. It's only 22 minutes. You can watch that on YouTube. I, I really liked it island in between which is about some guy living between on an island between China and Taiwan. I believe the last repair shop this was pretty cool. This is about people who like donate broken instruments, musical instruments. And then there's a group of people in Los Angeles who repair them for free. And then give them to like inner city schools so that kids who would have never been able to have like a trombone or whatever or tuba, that's what I was looking for, have a tuba can now have one because it's been repaired. So those are the ones that are like, you know, hitting kind of kind of in the political psyche. It's been the last the last nominee, Nana and WaPo is about. I think it's like 15 minutes on Hulu. I love this thing, man. This thing. It was fantastic. It was really fantastic. It's a dude just filming his two grandmothers, two grandmothers who become best of friends because, you know, your two grandmothers wouldn't necessarily like, become friends because it's like, yeah, different families have friends, they live together. They're very old. I just adored it. It's just them. That's all it is. It's just that it is the simplest film on it. And I loved it. I loved it. I do not think it has any chance of winning because it has nothing to do with politics or anything. But it's just great. Please, people, go watch this. The one with the quote unquote weirdest title. Go watch that. I think it's on Disney Plus as well. So good. I'm going to cry like right now, like just thinking of it. Yeah. And it's no one's dying. No one's do. It's just a guy filming his two grandmothers in this part so sweet and they're goofier than shit. And it's just That's it. There's nothing. There's nothing, like, shocking. It was just a beautiful, simple story. Does it? beautiful. Right. You've got to. Absolutely. I'm going to. I'm going to lose it. Visual effects and here we get to our first narrative. okay. This is tough. We've talked about it before, but I think it just bears repeating as much as we can, is that do we or do we not feel like visual effects is a controversial award now due to what CGI is versus what practical visual effects are? Because as you can see, once again, Oppenheimer is not in this category because as you can see by all of these nominees, they're all CGI, every single one, maybe. Well, Napoleon. Well, Napoleon is, too, isn't it? Yeah. Napoleon is CGI. The reason why Oppenheimer isn't here is for two reasons. One, if it would have gotten this nomination, it would have gotten 14 total. And that ties the record of the most nominations ever. So they they just weren't ready to do that again. La La Land did that as well. They weren't ready to jump up, put Oppenheimer at that status. The second reason is the reason you're suggesting that people I think best visual effects now to people means what has the best CGI, what is the most convincing CGI? And if you didn't spend as much as the big dogs, that usually lends itself a little better in your favor, like Ex Machina one, this and that, you had the smallest budget of all its nominees. So the nominees are the creator with an $80 million budget. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three with a $250 million budget mission Impossible. Dead Reckoning Part one. Yeah, with a budget of 291 million Napoleon with a budget of 200 million and Godzilla minus one with a budget of 15 million. That is the big narrative here. Kendall, Kendall, the little Godzilla that could actually come and win this. And, you know, it was made for significantly cheaper. The visual effects in it are stunning. They were so believable. They were so good. They were better than the visual effects, in my opinion, in Mission Impossible, better than the visual effects in the Creator, which were really, really good, don't get me wrong. But I would just love that narrative if that small team from Godzilla minus one comes in and takes us, it'll be fantastic. I completely agree. I, I haven't seen the Creator, but I have heard that movie does look very good. I don't know. It does. I would feel because of my my just complete CGI distaste. Yeah, I get it. Creator Godzilla or Mission Impossible. Yeah, I think it's between those three. Yeah. I mean, the Creator or Godzilla minus one. Winning would be cool to me because the Creator is not. While it is more money than Godzilla, it's not. It's still way less than something like Mission Impossible. So, yeah, I'm, I'm hoping for Godzilla minus one. And I think this might be the sort of kind of cute award that the Oscars do. They kind of do that and go, ha ha, look at this. You know, you don't need damn near 300 million to win this Oscar. You can do it with 15. And it's this is great. All right. I'm going in order of our ballot here. So we're doing I know you are. And whatever whatever order they throw it to us, that means the next one's kind of the big one. Film editing. Here are the nominees Anatomy of a Fall The Holdovers, Killers of the Flower Moon. Thelma Schoonmaker The most, the most updated editor in the history of editing. It's awesome. Love it. Thelma Oppenheimer, edited by Jennifer Lame and Poor Things. I think this is Oppenheimer's. I really hope so. And the reason why I said her name is that women don't often win in this category a lot, and it's just really, really cool. She's won a lot of precursor awards and that movie is marvelously edited. It's a lock, baby. It's like, God, here he goes. I don't know if I got a lock or Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to Christ. Yeah, well, you got to do this. You can't. You're not you're definitely not going to say this about every single Oppenheimer nominee. I know that. No, we're going to bunch up the next two. We're going to take production design and costume design. Only reason I'm grouping them up is because they are the exact same nominees. So here are the nominees for both Barbie Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon Oppenheimer, Poor Things. Let's look at production design first. I'm grouping these together and I'm grouping them together because I do not think Oppenheimer will win either of these. I think production design you're looking at Barbie or poor things. I think costume design both. So I think it's between both those. I think Barbie or Poor Things is going to split costume design, production design. I don't see Barbie necessarily winning costume teams, but I know there are a lot of like break costumes. I'm leaning more toward poor things, costumes and production design. Barbie But do they just make them both poor things? I don't know, but I think that's what you're looking at. I actually don't think Oppenheimer's in the conversation here. I agree that I don't think Oppenheimer is in the conversation for either one of these. However, Barbie's taking both of these. Okay, saying it, I'm saying it. It'll be okay. So as we go, it'll be interesting to track If you think poor things will take anything. I think. I think when it's all said and done, poor things could come out ahead. I could see Barbie winning one Oscar. I could see that as a reality. And we're going to get to the one. It's the one that's got a lot of discussion behind it in terms of how it will be presented. But if it takes another one, I could see it taking production design because that whole thing was built, that whole set they built on a lot. It looked very good. No one complained about it. Some did, yeah. So it could. It could definitely so I could see Barbie. I guess right now I would say Barbie takes production design. Poor thing. Six costume design. But I would not be surprised if both are Barbie or both are poor things, but it is between those two. Okay, good. So we do agree on that. Here we go. Cinematography. Candy, insane movie I watched on Netflix. Vampire movie is absolutely bonkers. It's a comedy. The Killers of the Flower Moon, Maestro Oppenheimer. Poor things. I mean, bring it home. Hoyt to Van Hoytema Oppenheimer is one of our best living. DP's It needs to happen. It's a lock, baby. It's a lot. Listen, take it here, folks. Addict said that's a lock. All right? I hope you're right. I'm just being. I'm so cautious about this. My everything in my brain is like you're out of your mind. If you think something you love so much is going to be decorated so highly. That's what my brain tells me every day. Just put I'm fixed like no one else. Sorry. Just puts your little hand in mine and follow me. I will guide you. It will be all right. It's a lock to lock this is another good one. In conjunction with production design. A costume design? We've got a makeup and hairstyling. Our nominees are to Maestro Oppenheimer. Poor things. Society of the snow. There is a huge narrative here about one of the makeup artists, a guy named Kazoo Hero. He did the makeup for Maestro. He also did the makeup for the darkest hour. And this is a guy who did make up for a while, became like, really well known but was never recognized for it. He was always appreciated but never recognized for it. So he retired from this. And Gary Oldman basically calls him and he's like, I'm not going to play Winston Churchill unless you turn me into Winston Churchill, unless you come out of retirement. I'm not doing the movie. And he's like, All right, whatever. So he does that. He wins an Oscar. The next movie he does Bombshell that also wins best makeup. This is his third movie since retirement. Maestro, I think Maestro is actually going to be an Oscar winner. I think it's going to take this. I think we're going to have a little bit of Bohemian Rhapsody best editing here. When the editing was getting mocked relentlessly and merciless Lee in the press, and then it went on to win, just as the nose was mocked relentlessly and mercilessly. I think we see a maestro win here, you know, So what you're basically saying is that the nose is the nose plays, the nose is going to play. I think the nose is going to play all the way to the stage. I do. I, you know, I, I, I agree with all of this. And I think I also don't disagree if it wins because I concur. If all of the things that we've said about Maestro, one of the things that did not bother me at all was the nose. I think it's I think it's very jarring when you're watching the trailer because you, you know, Bradley Cooper. And so whenever you see, you're like, wow, that's a hell of a nose. And you get made fun of it's just, you know, all this and that. But like as soon as you see him in the movie and it starts, it never once distracted me. It never once took me out. I never once was like, God, look at that thing. That's ridiculous. I thought it looked great the entire time. I thought the makeup of that movie was quite good. Yeah, I didn't have a problem with the makeup at all. My problems went. That wasn't even where my problems began or ended. It was never on my scale of problems with that film. So yeah, yeah. But I do think that's two things here. I don't think Oppenheimer is going to win this. And I do think Maestro will be, you know, an Academy Award winner, just as a star is Born won one Oscar for best song. I think Maestro is going to win a single Oscar. Now, really quick as we wrap up this one. Yes. Maestro isn't going to win this one. What would be what would come in next? Probably poor things to me for all of this. I think I mean, Oppenheimer does a lot of makeup and movies is very subtle. Like what, Maestro? I mean, what he had to do to Carey Mulligan in the end of that film that it was really good makeup. I absolutely hated that plot device, but it was really good makeup. Oppenheimer is doing they're doing subtle makeup throughout. And then for, you know, 45 seconds, it jumps in the end and everyone looks really old. But something like poor things. What's on Willem Dafoe or just, you know, on everyone? I think there's also there is also a wave that happens here where production design, costume design, makeup, poor things, poor things, poor things that could happen. I don't think it's going to go that way. But if it does, it's not surprising that wave that all quiet got on last year. That's what threw me off, because last year my ballot, I got last year I got a little too close to the awards. And I kept like even when I floated this episode, I kept like interjecting with, there's an update, There's an update. And most of those updates didn't end up winning. So I'm I'm definitely taking like a step back and not like reading everything this year. I'm kind of just cooling off with my gut with a lot of these things. But that wave can happen. We did. We witnessed it in real time last year. Where were that movie Won four in a row. It's like crazy. What is going on? Like, this is okay. Like, I mean, God, if you whatever that movie was fine. But if you rewatch Babylon now you're like look in all Quiet won best score. It's like three notes there. Awesome. No, but it's like. I know, It's like, anyway, anyway, second place. Yes. Poor things. Keep that second place thing in mind. I have that for a few other categories, just like tossing it out there. What do you think second place would be? I like doing that. spitballing. We'll never know. Yeah, I'll toss it. you'll toss it. Fucker Best sound. I can't believe it's taken me this long to get to my favorite narrative. One of my favorite narratives of the year. Best sound. Here we go. This is our historic. This is the What are you watching? Oscar Award. This is our this is our favorite. We've touted this. We do. We have. But this goes so much deeper than that. Talked and talked to how deep disagree here. Here are the nominees the creator Maestro Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part one Oppenheimer The Zone of Interest. I didn't list the names of the nominees. Well, first of all, I think this is between Oppenheimer, who I do hope wins. But the zone of interest, the sound is a huge part of that. It's been it's been in the discussion a lot. So that see that to sneak. Why I'm so excited is that my main man, Kevin O'Connell, is back. He's nominated for Oppenheimer. I love this guy, a famous sound mixer, famous to me who infamously lost like 20 times, lost this award 20 fucking times. And in 2006, when he was nominated for Hacksaw Ridge, if he lost that award, he was going to be the biggest loser in Oscar history, the biggest living loser in Oscar history. And this was a narrative. And then I just I don't know, I latched onto the guy. I've even talked about this on the podcast this Oscar season, so I apologize for repeating myself. And then I wrote an article just about how many times this guy is lost. And he should he should have at least a few. And then he won that year. And it was so it's so good, such a good speech. He's so emotional on stage. And it's just it's great. Like they gave him one. And then I had I missed the boat. I had no idea he did the sound for ten. It was you know, there's a lot of people who are nominated for each movie. But he did the sound for Tenet, and I was like, And then when I looked, I went where he's nominated and could likely win for Oppenheimer. Kevin O'Connell, I love you are just great. If zone of interest wins, I'll be a little like I mean, it deserves the win because it was really good. But then, you know, it's Kevin O'Connell, man, I can't turn my back on Kev. Well, you can't turn your back on Oppenheimer. You're damn right. Damn right. This is an interesting one because my pick is not, as we said, our picks are not rock solid, but I do have a pick for this as of right now. And. And it is going towards the movie I haven't even seen. So I am actually saying that the zone of interest is going to win this one just because of not only conversations you and I have had, but everything that I'm seeing about the way that sound is in this movie. It sounds like it sounds like that it is one of the more unique uses of sound that in recent memory. I mean, having seen Oppenheimer, I would say without a shadow of a doubt that the award should go to that. But based off of just how unique this movie is, the zone of interest, I think this has a real shot because this is this sneak in movie of the Oscars. This thing just kind of came in and it's in some pretty high class, powerful categories that I am because I think Oppenheimer is going to take so much. I think this is one of the ones where a zone of interest is going to really grab it. This is the first time in this episode we've said the zone of interest. Now this movie is going to win one Oscar. We're going to get to it. It's going to win at least one. But this, I think, more than any movie, has been making the biggest sneaky play behind the scenes since nominations were announced. And it has been number one on Letterboxd for a long time, four weeks. And that means number one, in terms of how many people are logging it and watching it. So there was this huge surge. Steven Spielberg released a statement staying saying he thought it was the best Holocaust movie that's been made since his own. So that's a big deal. That's a big deal. But that's a little what's it, Steve? Come on, Steve. Yeah. Steve. If anyone watch a great video, go watch Steven Spielberg watching the announcement of the 1975 Oscars when he fails to get a best director nomination for Jaws, he does a little hissy fit. And it's it's just so cute. It's so cute. Go on. So cute. Anyway, what are we talking about? I'm talking about sound. The difference here is that the sound in Oppenheimer is so propulsive, bombastic, It's it's enhancing everything. Those quick flashes when he's seeing fucking neurons, it's so intense. And it's it's the loudest of the sound here. You know, it's the biggest zone of interest is like a character. It's like an atmospheric thing where just putting you in the world and you don't realize the importance until you're in them in the midst in the movie. And you're like, okay. But also I fear that in some of the ways I've described it, it's it is not like the the horror, the horror. It's not that this is a PG 13 movie. Yeah. Subtlety is what helps reinforce how you know, how much of a command the sound has on the movie. This isn't a lot of people have seen the movie by now, but the movie opens like you'll know that sound is going to be a big part of it because it's a different sort of opening. It's a very, very different sort of movie. I cannot believe it has taken off this way and people are so stunned by it. My dad was floored by it. He absolutely loved it. He said he thought it was the most important movie of the year. He thought it was stunning. She's riveting. It's such a good movie. So that could win here. That could win or it could be Oppenheimer. We'll see. It's between those two. Certainly. Don't forget about Maestro. Well, I guess, but I mean, it's there. I didn't. I just don't know. And when you said you're voting for something that you haven't seen, keep in mind that there's about 10,000 people who vote for the Oscars. And if you if you all think that they watch every single nominee, that ain't the way this works. It's just not It's largely what what is on the most billboards in L.A. Like this stuff does matter, I promise. Like it. It should, because it's kind of silly, but it does the the promotion. That's why we're talking about the narratives. And Jonathan Glazer, the director of Zona of Interest, has been taking I think his name is Johnny Brown. And the fact that I even know the guy's name, the sound Mixers name says something because he's been taking him on a lot of interviews. I'm going to double check to see if that's his name. Johnny Byrne. Johnny Byrne. Okay. But the fact that I even knew that it's like that we don't know many sound mixers names. Yeah, I do know Kevin O'Connell's name. Yes, you too. Kevin O'Connell. That's a good look. That's really good luck to it. Yes, good luck to both. I think that's mean. We've always said this is our favorite category and it always seems to kind of be a big champion for what I think is one of the unsung aspects of movies that people don't really take into consideration a lot. Yeah, yeah. Here we go. This is the award that Barbie is winning. Original song The Fire Inside from Flaming Hot. I'm just Ken from Barbie to be performed on stage by Ryan Gosling. It never went away from American Symphony. Who has a song for My People? Killers of the Flower Moon And What Was I Made For by Billie Eilish? Barbie, Keep in mind, if I'm just Ken wins. Not like that. Oscar goes to Ryan Gosling. That also goes to Mark Ronson. The Oscar for What Was I Made for Will go to Billie Eilish. I just don't think she needs to win again so soon. She just won this. She just one original song I say give it to. I'm just can I? It's definitely between those two. We're going to see but I'm just Ken would be they they do like to get cute here this is this is one category that the Oscars have gone out of their way to be non stuffy. You know while like it's hard out here for a pimp lose yourself fight Eminem like they can do it too. They can give it to fun song sometimes but we don't need you know I don't think we need to Billie Eilish Oscars in as many years so I'm just Ken I would love it And that way Barbie secures an Oscar win. Well it's going to be one of these two. Yeah, I actually think it's going to go the other way. You think it'll go to Billie? I think it's going to go to Billie. All right. Whatever. I mean, it's a better song. Better. Better doesn't. Okay. Hey, I have no idea. I'm not, like, on my high horse about either song here. I just. I like to spread the wealth a little bit. I don't think she needs to in, you know, three years or something. No, no, I get it. I get it, I get it. But we do agree that Barbie will win an Oscar. Yeah, At the very least, it'll win one. And it's here. Yeah. Yes. And like we've said before, I've loved Gosling's facial expressions leading up to this. I know. He's like, How is this? How does this keep winning? All right, Original score. Hellboy. American Fiction. Indiana Jones. And the Dial of Destiny. Killers of the Flower Moon. Oppenheimer are poor things. This should absolutely be Oppenheimer is that the score was so highly rated on Spotify like it was like one of the most listened to albums of the year. Just in general. The only thing that scares me here is that Lou Goransson already has an Oscar. He won best score for Black Panther. And I don't know if that's going to matter. Our our guy, Justin Horowitz won two Oscars for La la Land and they were like, Fuck you, buddy, for his Babylon score. So I don't know. I don't know. It's a lock. It's a very. He goes, folks, for luck. It's a la Oppenheimer. All right. Take it to the bank. That's what he says. You better be right. It's going to be so defeated. I got stuff anyway. All right, here we go. This is another Lock international feature film. El Capitan. No Perfect Days, Society of the Snow, the teacher's lounge, the zone of interest with France making the very dumb decision to put the taste of things as their nominee and that failing to get a nomination. If they would have put anatomy of a fall here, we would have a great duking out here. Anatomy of the Zone of Interest. It would make this category so compelling because, you know, those are these are two huge foreign language nominees that have crossed over this year. There are they are hugely popular. They're the movie since nominations have been getting so much press. And I love it. They're both great films. Anatomy of a Fall Should Be Here, because then I would be telling everyone I do not know what's going to win this, but as this gal, Jonathan Glazer, is going to win his first Oscar for the Zone of Interest, and it it's very, very well-deserved. And if you're wondering why, you know, it's from United Kingdom, why is it an international feature film? None of the movies in English, it's all in German. It's not. That's why. Yes, I agree. But but also society of the snow is also I think that movie is definitely that's been regarded a lot. That's true. That's true. Documentary feature. We have Bobby Wein, the people's president, the Eternal Memory for Daughters to Kill a Tiger 20 Days and the Pool. Okay, I've seen one of these. you seen one? you really you got the documentary guy? Well, we're going to we're going to open this up a little bit. I have. I've had something on my mind. like genuinely. And a lot of these are you can find them, you can rent them. They're online 20 days and Mariupol is on YouTube for free via PBS YouTube channel. This is about the first 20 days of the war in Ukraine that's going on right now. And I'm watching it. I did not know what it was going to be about, and I'm watching it and in minute 17, I see what is, to my recollection, the most horrific thing I've ever seen, period in a movie and the news on TV. And it was a four year old child failing to be resuscitated by a doctor. And I was looking at it. My brain did did a thing where I thought I was looking at like a CPR dummy that they practice on. I like shook it out and I was like, I just watched a four year old boy die. well, okay. Wow. I didn't know where this is going. That was in minute 17. It gets so much worse. It just gets so, so much worse. So my question is and this is it's a documentary, okay? They give a little, you know, little one sentence warning before it started, but the next day and I promise I'm going to land the plane here the next day on Reddit, I saw someone post and say, my I'm 18 years old. My mom is into like extremist cinema. I'm getting into extremist cinema, but I'm wondering if I'm actually ready for irreversible like is how bad is this? I do like this, but my mom's telling me, you know, you're 18 now, this one's tough. So like, if you do, like, go, go, proceed with caution. But they're just asking. Reddit in general, Irreversible is, like, rough. And it is. We've done the whole podcast on gas bar in a way, we've done it, but like, but everything in Irreversible, it's fake. Everything it irreversible, it's staged. The actors are smoking cigarets and drinking coffee and watching their playback on monitors. Monica Bellucci is going, Yeah, Wow, it's so brutal. I think we can push it harder for this take. They're joking around. It's all staged. It's all talked about there. There ain't no second takes in 20 days air pool, there ain't no do overs. There's no laughing and talking about how, like, authentic this looks. This is fucking real. This I talked about Night and Fog recently on this podcast where it just shows you picture and you're seeing a bucket of heads and their bodies are right there and you're like, this is not this is not like some I'm not watching Schindler's List where this is fake. Those are actually really heads that were attached to that body like 30 seconds ago. Okay. Okay. So my question is it like I'm not trying to be insensitive, I'm not trying to be anything but like, if someone is open to a movie like Irreversible, I'm not talking about mass audiences. I'm talking about that an Irreversible is a very difficult movie to find. You can't rent it anywhere for a price. It's hard to track down. But 20 Days and Mary pulls for free on PBS. Is YouTube channel like what the fuck is this? I mean, like how Like it's like we're desensitized guys to actual war, to actual violence, and we're fucking like, we'll lose it over violence in a movie. And I'm not saying of course I'm saying the stuff in Irreversible is bad. I'm just using that as an example. I could be using any other shocking movie, but do you see the point I'm getting at where I was? Like, I think anyone, my personal opinion, any human being who watches 20 days in their pool and makes it through, you can I can't fathom that you wouldn't be able to handle any other movie. Maybe that's a naive opinion for me to take because irreversible has a sexual assault in it. So that's why it could be extremely difficult for people to watch that film. I get it. But my overall point is in the press or in the culture writ large, sometimes we're so critical about, this this horrific violence, what's it teaching us? But like, there's real life going on. That's what I'm saying. There's real life shit going on. You can watch it for free on PBS is YouTube. And it's like, I just I don't know. I don't know my overall point, I guess I wish more people were like this impassioned about this documentary or what we're seeing on it and stop complaining about like onscreen violence that you know, was scripted and agreed upon. That's all. I don't know. Whatever rant on, I guess. No, I understand your point almost in a in a counterpoint to what you're saying is that I think what they're trying what I'm assuming that they're trying to do is with something like this is how do we actually get out into the world what's really happening here. And the only way we can do it is just by making a movie and showing it. And and I think PBS might be like, listen, we're just trying to do our best as, what is the truth? Here it is this this is a document and I really respect them for that. I'm not I hope it's clear that I'm not. I really respect this documentary. I'm just using the documentary. no. Yeah, absolutely. I suppose what I'm saying is 2023 in terms of movie outrage, was dominated by fucking thing. And that was Florence Pugh's breasts in Oppenheimer's like, 10 seconds. I hear. I heard about it nonstop. I'm still hearing about it. I wish 1/10 about of that outrage of, my God, how was this consensual sex scene in an R-rated movie? I wish 1/10 of that outrage could go to Holy fuck. Have you seen 20 days in Mayor? This shit's actually happening, but it doesn't. And of course, it's not going to. Of course it's on. I'm not I don't even know my own my overall point, But my eyes were just open watching that stock. And I've seen horrific documentaries since I got into movies. Like I was watching Hearts and Minds, The Vietnam War documentary, that one in 1973 I saw that so young. And you see you see things in that that they would not be allowed to put into Platoon or the Deer Hunter, or if they were in that, you'd be like, Well, that's not real life. And then you see it and you go, that. my God, Like, I just saw that happen. So I respect and documentaries do this, but I, I, you know what? I just think our pop culture outrage is misguided in so many ways. It usually is. And I don't know, I just switch attention could be focused on other other things that sort of, no, you're 100% right. I mean, that you're talking about such a bigger problem. It is. It's way bigger then. Yes. This movie, this awards I know that it's like I pitched this to Allie last night and she finally got it because she's always wondered how the hell like, why are you in such, like, extreme? Why do you like such extremist cinema? Sometimes it's not like this. The only thing I'm watching, but like, how can you like that? And I gave her this example and she was like, I've never thought about that. That's actually a good point, because I said, There's nothing in that documentary that's worse than what's an irreversible or ex movie, your ex movie. But anyway, we're getting yes it's and she said this is like this could be its own podcast type topic like for like an entire show, you know. But anyway, all right. I do think that movie will win. But knowing that after I dude, after I watched that, I was like, I don't know if I can. All right, let me see what these are about. And I read the long line for the logline for it to kill a tiger. And it's like after a man's daughter is gang raped, he and I went, All right, forget. can't do it. I was like, I just I can't respect to all you nominees, but I mean, this shit is, you know, I even said in my letter box review, I can watch fiction, analyzed violence, pretty much anything. I can stomach it if it is fictionalized, it's in a narrative, fictionalized movie, but I am not cut out for the content in 20 days. And Miracle. That's what I said. I was like, Good on you for if you guys can stomach this, I don't have the stomach for this. I can't watch little kids dying like over and over and over. It's, you know, I quit. I You want to move on from this one? Yes, I do. I do. I'm just trying to find a funny thing to say. I would go we're going to go right to the right from that topic. I am glad. You know, sometimes we work stuff out on this. We got something to say, that's all. I'm not even, you know, a big statement. I just thought it was an interesting conversation, that's all. Because I do think that a win I do that movie, a win, and it ain't easy. That's. That's all I'm saying. I'm glad you brought it up, because I think that, you know, I mean, far be it for us to guys on a movie podcast to talk about like, you know, try to figure out what's wrong with the world. Yeah. But this is something that is truly wrong with our with our society and our culture right now. And I don't know what the fix is. No. One, I it's really tough, but I think even just pointing it out in this way, it's something. Yeah, it's something. All right. Changing gears, Best Animated Feature The Boy in the Heron Elemental, Nimona Robot Dreams, Spider-Man Across the Spider-verse. This is interesting. I think we have a two way race here. I think we have the Boy in the Heron versus Spider-Man across the Spider-verse. What makes it interesting is that my Ozaki, who is the director of The Boy in the Heron, he won for Spirited Away years ago, but then the first Spider-Man won a few years ago. So it's they both have an Oscar. So which one will it go to? I don't really know. Here. I've seen the Spider-Man film. I've not seen the boy in the hair. And I know people love man's movies. They really do. Yeah. You know, but I think more I think a lot more people have seen across the spider-verse. So will that you know or are they like we already gave it to the first one We I don't know. It's an interesting thing and it is a bit of a tossup. I don't really know what's going to pull away here. I think it's going to be one of them too. And if I had to put my my stamp on it, I think I'm going with the boy in the heron. I think it's fair. It's a fair guess. It would be, yes. So I guess I'm leading with my heart on this one as opposed to what I think. I think it is between the boy in the Heron and Spider-Man. But I think it would be very cool point. The Heron took this one. I agree. And he's he you know, because I don't follow animated movies as closely. I know he's retired once or twice in the course and movies. So they like that's a narrative that they like. I personally was not the biggest fan of Across the Spider-verse because I'm not a fan of like the serialization of movies. I'm going to talk about this in my what are you watching recommendation a little bit like I didn't know going into that movie that they already had a part three plan so that it's not a spoiler. Like that movie ends with them being like building up to this huge fight, this huge fight, and then it just doesn't happen. They're like, See you next time. And I was like, What the fuck? I didn't know that was going to happen. see, I didn't know you seen it. Okay, so you watch it. Yeah, dude, I was pissed. I was in the theater to see that. I was like, What? And I'll be honest, I really like the first one. I really like. I like that one much better. The first one? Yeah, but I the whole entire time I was watching this one, I thought that the other character was a much more interesting story to follow that we didn't see the. The girl. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was, it wasn't bad. I just kept thinking. I'm like, I think what's going on in the other side of things is more interesting and then we get the that cliffhanger ending that I didn't know about either. And I go, this is, this movie is like two and a half hours. It was not a short movie, not like it was an hour, 40 minutes. Like you took us there. I, I, yeah, I'm not a fan of that in really any genre. I don't It just rubs me the wrong way. But, you know, some maybe some voters will be like, well, just wait till the third one comes out. We'll give that animated feature. I don't know, maybe. But really quick as we move on, just because I know that you are this is not your favorite category because it's not your favorite genre of film. But I did hear from Little Bird, a Big Bird, a big tall idiot bird named Dan Banana. Dan Bananas. Yeah. And then and in that, you really like to robot dreams I don't know fact were okay you're asking now thanks for spoiling my what are you watching recommendation an asshole I'm doing I'm doing what are the things you're able to talk about a few movies so my my movie related to this episode is Pablo Berger's robot dreams. Which Banana Dan friend of the pod Dan did watch and was trying to sell me on it, as he often does with animation. There's nothing wrong with the animated movies that you all love. You all, all you people. You all people love these movies and talk about them. You're not wrong. There is an emotional block within me that I just I can't fully connect. And that's like, I don't know. It's just the way I am. Noting that Dan selling point. He said Robot dreams is wordless, it is dialog free. And I went, that's really interesting to me. Like there's no narrator And he's like, No. So I watched it. This movie is absolutely fucking delightful. It's fucking delightful. I really liked it. It was like moving along the last 15 minutes I found to be so moving. I like, I was stunned. I was just stunned. All for its simplicity. It had a little melancholic streak to it that I don't see a lot of animated movies doing a lot that was very genuine and earnest. I mean, it's about a dog and a robot, and I was like, It was really good. And one of the reasons I liked it so much is that it has no chance at winning this particular Oscar. But. Well, I yeah, I really, really enjoyed it. The the gimmick of not having any dialog really, really works. It is funny at times. It is cute at times. And there was like this there's a something that happened that kicked off this like kind of this last 15 minutes. And it was so simple, so simple. There's this one scene of the dog and a robot like having a picnic on a park bench and they just took it. It took a second like a little beat, too. They were passing each other sandwiches and they just locked eyes and smiled at each other. And what they're communicating is it's just really nice to be out here with you, man. And I was like, Yeah, as cool. Fuck. That was like, really, really just beautiful and like, just so simple. That's always communicating. Like, this is like, I'm really glad that we're doing this. Like, I really enjoy being your friend. So yeah, Robot Dreams would definitely be my vote if I voted for the Oscars to win that. I really liked it and highly recommend. I know it's going to be coming out wider soon, but yeah, that was going to be my What are you watching? Recommendation. It's it's just good. It was a good movie. I'm not. I'll tell to you straight if I like something animated or not. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Well that's that's, that's special, as you like to say. It's a special good discussion. We opened up animated feature and documentary feature in ways that I didn't anticipate. I love that. And we've got the big eight, baby. This is it. We're going to start with what I actually think. No bullshit. I actually think this is the most interesting category of the night. And here's why. Talking about Adapted Screenplay, your nominees are American fiction. Barbie Oppenheimer. Poor Things, The Zone of Interests Dead serious. I think any five of these could win. I'm not kidding. I think any five of these actually have a decent shot to take it with American fiction. Cord Jefferson. Just, you know, the movie's been doing well. He won best screenplay at the Independent Spirit Awards, which Marilyn, they used to, like, promote those. They used to always be the day before the Oscars, I didn't even know that things aired. I found out the morning after and I was like, What Those were last night. I hung like, I pay attention to that stuff. People like I follow this shit. I didn't even know that I text you. And I was like, What the fuck these were last night? How did I not know this? I had no idea. So I watched them right away, but I was pissed that I didn't know they were on. How was the show? Because that's the one I haven't seen. Pretty good. You know, it's. It's a good show. They. I actually like the BAFTAs a lot. If all the BAFTA winner winners ended up being the Oscar winners, I'd be like, Hey, that's okay. Sometimes those can be hit or miss. Court Jefferson speech for Best Screenplay was so good. He got he had a line. His speech shook me to my core because he had a he had a line that said, you know, happiness has always been elusive for me, but this award and, you know, everyone's kind of recognition, it's making me feel just really good. And I was like, wow, what a thing to admit that like is hard for you to achieve when like, you're able to, you know, get this movie out there. I think that could win. I think Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig, especially with her not being nominated for director, could mean it has a big chance at winning. This for Barbie. Oppenheimer is actually the one I think has like the least likely chance to win because, you know, directing and picture is coming up. I don't know. Will they give it to Oppenheimer? Poor Things is a really good is a really good chance to award that film if it doesn't get anywhere else. And Tony McNamara, who also wrote The favorite, he's a very beloved writer and the Zone of Interest is a movie a lot of people are seeing and a lot of people are talking about. And that is going to win international feature film. So it's pretty even money between all five of these nominees. And I don't really know what to say right now is going to win. I don't really know. It's a fun category. That's all. It's a very fun category. And I think all the points that you made are are exactly right. However, however, you know, I'm about to say you really think it you think he's going to win screenplay? I absolutely do. But we've talked about this. We've talked We didn't even think it was going to be nominated. There's no way it was going to be nominated. It there's been talk about the screenplay. Just, you know, it's in the first person. Yeah, this person. And because he took that whole entire book and condensed into what we see, that is someone who read both like I literally read both. I listen to the audiobook of American Prometheus, but then bought that fucker and actually read it and it is like as big as a phone book. And then seeing what pieces he took, it is an accomplishment. But I don't know, I but no one will be surprised if that's the one he loses. If Christopher Nolan loses an Oscar that night and it's adapted screenplay, people like if I'll tell you what, I'll be nervous if he wins that award on the night of I'm going to be adapted screenplay will be before director picture and you will hear me be like, my God, are they going to give him this and then knock him? Director my God. my God. I don't know. So But you think it's a lock? I, I cannot share in that enthusiasm. I would love if it's Oppenheimer, but I don't know. I, I don't know. I see a good, like, three or four way split here. Anything could win this. Anything could. I'll say this. In my opinion, if Oppenheimer doesn't win this and I can't, I can't believe my justification. It's so weird. I think it would go to the zone of interest. No, that's a good I think that is I think that might be in first place right now. I do. And and but it's the only one that makes me not think it's a lock. Well, and it's the only one. It's the only movie here that is not at all based on the dialog zone of interest is much I mean very rarely are they telling you like what the things you want them to be talking about. Like what the hell? You live near Auschwitz. They're not talking about this shit. I'm talking about, you know. Yeah, it's or if they are talking about their work at Auschwitz, it's very matter of fact and banal. That's what the movie is about, the banality of evil. And because also, like, it's the complete opposite of Oppenheimer, where Oppenheimer is all dialog. Right? And it sounds like the zone of interest is, is the dialog is not the star of what makes that a good screenplay. It's it's a circumstance. Yeah. And then executing that on paper. Yeah. And then translating that to film I suppose it just kind of goes to the school of thought as to what is a good screenplay, but it's also one of those things where this could be one where it's like, we want to give the zone of interest. A lot of love. This is a category to give it that opportunity because that But other than that, I think Oppenheimer is taking it take in it. How to talk about your Oscar ballot is tough because it's like, will Oppenheimer just do some sweep and when win a bunch. We obviously don't think it's going to win everything it's nominated for. Or will they spread the wealth a little bit like will the Poor Things train keep going? It is like production design, costume design. I doubt it wins make up, but let's call it their makeup Adapted Screenplay Network four. And that's a wave. That's what all Quiet did. So again, I don't think that will happen, but that can happen. The mini wave dune was not the best picture winner because that went to Kota, which everyone remembers and everyone talks about all the time. Dune won six Oscars that night. That was the biggest winner of the night. That was the wave that it was on. And it was like, man. So it can happen. But this could also be a year where, yeah, zone of interest gets to poor things, gets one. Oppenheimer gets blank. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, there's another one that we're finally going to talk about coming up that we haven't really had a chance to talk about in original screenplay, because I think this is a three way race with a pretty newly emerged frontrunner. Here are the five nominees Anatomy of a Fall, The Holdovers Maestro May-December Past Lives. Here's a narrative Justin Tree and Arthur Ferrari, who are partners. I think they are going to they could very well join the ranks of Claude, the lush Pedro Almodovar and Bong Joon Ho as people who have won the Oscar for Best Original screenplay for writing a film that is not in the English language, that is an extremely rare thing to happen. I also think the holdovers and past lives are circling and could steal easily. So we're talking about sharing the wealth. The Holdovers is going to win an Oscar, which we're going to get to shortly. That is winning an Oscar. So today, go. That's fine. We'll just give it that one. Oscar. Another holdovers is an Oscar winner, just like we're going to give him best makeup to Maestro. So that's an Oscar winner? Or are they like, no, we we're going to give it that, but we're also going to give holdover screenplay because, like, we really liked it that that's what I mean like I, I don't know or past lives didn't get a lot of love elsewhere or this is the only chance to give it an award. It's not going to win Best picture. This is it. So do you do that or do you just go with anatomy of a fall? I think it is between those three and it's a tough call. A tough call. It's not a tough call because you will see what's doing it or not nominated. I know it's not. I know it's not. No. This is Anatomy of a fall. The way all the way a 100% talk to me was I want to hear, because it's not nominated for anything else that they can win. I mean, it's nominated for film editing, but I don't that I don't think anything's beating Oppenheimer for that. It's not in the international feature film category, as you pointed out in that conversation. It's not going to take best picture. So that movie has gotten so much love and attention this whole entire awards season. This is the only thing that it can win. You're right. And it's that good. I have not considered this. You're absolutely right. This is probably the only thing that's going to win. And as you're talking, it's making me even more nervous about a few of the awards we're getting to. And this film's chances, because this film is very buzzed about and they have run a perfect campaign because somewhere someone along the way said, Hey, our movie super serious, like dead serious, Let's do the funny campaign. We're going to be the funny people. So, Justin, Trees get up, They're telling jokes on stage. They're bringing the dog from the movie to like press events, like they're doing the Funny Campaign, the self-deprecating one. Okay, you sold me. You convinced me. So. Okay, I like that. Anatomy of a fall to win this. And then that would be the only anatomy of a fall win. Which makes me nervous because I see that movie winning more than one. Potentially. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So look for that there. And that's again, that's rare. It is rare for a foreign film to win Best screenplay. Here we go. Here we go, baby. Best Supporting Actor. Sterling K Brown, American Fiction. Robert De Niro, Killers of the Flower Moon. Robert Downey Jr. Oppenheimer. Ryan Gosling. Barbie. Mark Ruffalo. Poor things. It seems that everyone is convinced that Robert Downey Jr is going to win. I suppose I can agree. I will say that I was somewhat dumbfounded by his SAG speech because I've said on the ENS podcast as it relates to his campaign, I would like to see him practicing a little more humility. And the first thing he says when he gets on stage is why does everything seem to be going my way? And I was hoping there is going to be like going to like a joke to make fun of himself at the end of that. And there wasn't. And I went, okay. So there's just dirt. I see what you're doing. You're you're just being yourself. And like, there I expected a little humility and a little gratitude. I'm not really seeing it. But as I was reminded very recently, I had completely lost sight of this, which is dumb. This man has made that town billions of dollars for Iron Man for doing the Tony Stark thing, for basically carrying the MCU for those years. And this is their way to kind of give back. So. Well, I could see in a very radical world, Mark Ruffalo, steal. And if you think I'm crazy, I'm not because this has happened. I guess, yeah, Robert Downey Jr's going to win, but the lack of humility has surprised me. I know that's not what he's known for. I know that. But it has it has surprised me. Just going up there being like, this is mine. I deserve this. It's about time. At least that's what I'm reading from it. And traditionally, the Oscars don't like that. And you I'm just saying, Sylvester Stallone wins. The Golden Globe does not thank Ryan Coogler does not think Michael B Jordan that dominates the press and that man loses an Oscar to someone. I'm sure Sylvester Stallone has never heard of Mark Rylance. I mean, that was the phrase. He's probably like, who's that? And I mean, stuff happened. Sly did not win this. The Screen Actors Guild is down. He did. So it's not a 1 to 1. But I'm just saying like I've I've been following the Oscars very, very close for decades. There are a few I don't want to say certainties, but there are a few trends. And one thing they do not like is this thing. But so I do a long way of saying, I do think I'll take it. And you know what you're going to say. It's a lark. But I'm just saying it's been it's been a bit surprising, I guess. I don't know. But he has had a good sense of humor. He's been joking around with Christopher Nolan. I think he's actually brought Nolan out of his shell a little bit like on this awards circuit, which is helped him a lot. So he's done good. I just I expected a little more humility, that's all. Just like a little bit. Just a little bit. I just it's just not who that guy is. Not who he is. I know. I know. It's your right. That's right. I do think it is a lock, but I do hear what you're saying. Absolutely. Because, yeah, you just get too much of that. And if you just get like enough people to kind of be like, have you had it? But, you know, I mean, you just talk too much shit. But I also think that he's been doing this his whole entire career. Then it's sort of like one of those things where you're hiding in plain sight, like no one, you know, you can do like the Jane Campion thing where you're not an outlandish, outspoken person and then you fuck up once. Yep. On the campaign trail and you just ruin all your chances. Yeah. Sylvester Stallone. Same thing like that guy's always given respect to be true. But this guy, his whole entire career has been his mouth off. So it's sort of like it's sort of like, Well, what do you expect him to do? And, you know, he does have all of that clout back him up. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think if this doesn't go that way and they do kind of like punish him for is is it for him being him, then I think it is Ruffalo that sneaks in here and gets it. And honestly, I would love that so it is. I loved Mark Ruffalo in this movie though I do think and I do hope that Robert Downey Jr wins because he I mean, he just did an unbelievable job. Yeah. Yeah. And think I'm probably making too much of a thing. I guess my prediction is that if they give him this, it will be in this this I know it will be extremely difficult for that man to be nominated, let alone win again, because they are going to be like, We did it for you, buddy. All right, now leave us alone. Go away. I mean, he could he could do something that is even better than his Oppenheimer performance next, but I don't think he'll be recognized for it because I think I think people are going to want a little break. We'll see. Yeah. If Someone was to steal Mark Ruffalo. Stealing would be amazing. And their friends so you know they were It's Hulk and Iron Man duking it out. So I love it. I love it. Yeah. This happens once a year. Our next category, we typically get a lock in an acting category once a year. It's difficult to tell what it's going to be even when the movies come out. But for some reason the wave starts and it's just not going to break. And that's what it's going to be. And Dave, I enjoy Randolph is going to win Best Supporting Actress for the holdovers Without Breaking a sweat. I don't know who knows why this stuff happens? I don't know. It's a narrative. It's an arc. It just cements itself like Kiwi clawing last year that would not have been able to lose. He could do like there's nothing you could have done to lose Virtually nothing. Nothing. He won everything. She's won everything. It happens that, like I said, usually happens once a year. Her fellow nominees are Emily Blunt, Oppenheimer, Danielle Brooks, The Color Purple America Ferrera, Barbie, Jodie Foster. So my kind of fun question here, since I think this one is so obvious, is who do you genuinely think is in second place? If they actually showed us the nominees? I actually think it's America. I think it's America Ferrera is probably in second place here, but I don't know. But I do think that, like, if I had to pick a performance that was on here, I really like Jodie Foster. And I said, same here. I loved her. That would be where my heart would go. But I do think that it would go to America Ferrera because she hasn't been represented very much long, this award trail for this role. But yet she's someone that's been talked about so much in Barbie, I think I think that's where it would go. But yeah, this is this is a complete loss like of all the locks and talk about someone with gratitude and humility like she's she's just my God. And a lot of these people, a lot of these nominees have been on Marc Maron's podcast recently, and I've been listening to them. The Mark Ruffalo interview was I didn't know I could like Batman more, and I was like, my God, He's like, really fucked up mentally and has worked through a lot of it and is still working on it. I love even more. I get it done and then divide Joy. Randall It was it was just beautiful. She's a trained opera singer. I no idea. So she talked a lot about like breathing and like stuff you would appreciate and just a really a really gentle, unique spirit. She I just loved her. I think I texted you. I was like, I love this woman now. Like, I'm so happy she's going to win this. I love it. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Very gracious. Very gracious. Dad, if you're listening, why don't you just go ahead and skip through this category? Because we have two awards to discuss for best actor in a leading role. The nominees for the actual award are Bradley Cooper, Maestro Colman Domingo Rustin, Paul Giamatti, The Holdovers. Kilian Murphy, Oppenheimer, Jeffrey Wright. American Fiction. Before we get to who's going to who we think is going to win the Oscar, let's talk about the other award here, because once a year, folks, when the Oscar campaign season is happening, there is someone who emerges very clearly as the jackass of the year. Last year, it was Austin Butler. God love him. I mean, just out there with the accent and I'm going to talk like this forever and I can and it's the accent. The accent. It's all that. The year before, you already alluded to her. It was Jane Campion. She really put her foot in her mouth and she so won her Oscar. But she hurt her film's chances. The Jackass of the Year award this year goes to none other than our beloved maestro, Bradley Cooper himself, who has never failed to just keep his mouth shut this entire time. I know we've poked fun at Maestro along the way. He has run one of the just craziest Oscar campaigns in history. The the constant, constant crying, saying that Leonard Bernstein came into him every day and said, Just do. Just two fucking days ago. I swear to God, just a few days ago, I open like Twitter and he's talking about how his dad was naked around him all the time growing up, and now he's totally comfortable being naked around his daughter all the time. And I'm like, Why am I reading this? Like you're campaigning for an Oscar? What's going on right now? And I mean, you just buddy, you got to you got to make a movie and let us it. You don't. Yeah, you know, you did. Well, I'm so fascinated to see where his directing career goes from here, because every time he did an interview, he was talking like the way he made this movie. I don't have any chairs on set. Are you kidding me? I don't have any playback. Are you kidding? Just. And it's like, dude, I mean, you're sitting at a table fucking Ridley Scott, man. Like, chill out a little bit. So, yeah, I did. Well, I thought we could just say a farewell to Bradley Cooper circa 2023 because we're about to be rid of him soon. God. I. It's been a lot. It's been a lot. I It was a lot. That's all I'm saying. We're I'm having fun here, But it was a lot. It was a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of ridiculousness. And yeah, I, I and you know what the thing is, though, is I'm actually excited to see what his third movie directing Wise is going to be. I mean I know a lot of people actually didn't like a star is born I don't know I don't know how you could not like that movie. But when that was happening, like he was so humble. So that's he was so humble the whole time. Only thing he overstepped once on that campaign trail when right after the nominations. I don't know who's doing the interview, if it was Diane Sawyer, but they basically said like, are you a little bummed that you didn't get nominated for best director? And he said, Yeah, like, I thought I did my job. And then I was like, Ooh, don't do that, Don't do that. And he stopped. He didn't say that again. That campaign trail. But this version of him is completely different than who was promoting it. Star is born. It's a very different vibe and I what I really loved on that A Star is Born. Time was any time he was talking about the direction of that movie. I love the way he spoke. So did I liked his approach to directing I love and I think he is a good director. I really do. Twice, I think. I think I think this this one just kind of got away in a lot of ways. So it's almost kind of like wondering, like is is there going to be with this next one, whatever it's going to be where where's he going to go? I'm curious. I'm very curious because like we've always said down here, we we've we've dunked a lot on this one. But ultimately, the end of the day, we do say that maestro is not bad. It's just it just fell short in ways that we needed it to not. Yeah, for us, I really want to see what happens, but I really want this to be over. So I just wanted to, you know, I don't. I don't want him to be forced to talk about my share anymore. But he will not be winning this award. This, I don't know. It seemed. I'm going to start this one. Go for it. Please. Please go for it. Go for it. It's a two way race. And I actually really like Bradley Cooper and Maestro. He would actually be my second. cool to win this now. my God. Here we go, folks. I love Paul Giamatti. I've ever since. Yep, everyone does. I think he's unbelievable. I like I can't say enough good things about him, but, you know, there comes a just a situation where the performance just kind of comes around. It's just undeniable. And that is Killian murphy in Oppenheimer. It's there's so many good things to say about that movie as we are all the lox that I'm talking about. This is a masterful command of a performance in so many different ways. And the movie wouldn't work without it. This is about him. This is everything is about the weight of of this. I just think that what's happening in this movie by design, the movie is designed to have an actor make this work. And I just don't see how anything can beat a performance like so the fact that there is another performer that is just in Paul Giamatti and like I said, I love him, but I'm like, I can't like, I like like how, how, how is this happening? Yeah, it's I agree with all of that. If everyone likes Paul Giamatti, if he wins this, it is a career win. It's all those people who thought he should have been nominated for and maybe even won for Sideways and he wasn't even nominated for it. It's all that stuff. So we'll see. Killian Murphy did win the SAG, which I was very thankful for. It seems to be tipping more his way. I hope the case. But is it because Randolph is already winning supporting actress? Are they going to do that with the actor and just go, All right, will do boom, boom or given and just go with the holdovers? Here's a bit of very random Oscar trivia. This is just weird how this happens sometimes if Killian Murphy and Robert Downey Jr when they will be winning the films of 2023. The last time an actor and supporting actor won for the same movie was ten years ago. In 2013, McConaughey and Jared Leto for Dallas Buyers Club. The time for that was ten years earlier, 2003 Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, Mystic River. So that's just one of those weird things. So that'll be a cool thing if it happens. I do hope it happens. I definitely think Gillian Murphy should walk off with this. We're going to see. But I'm hoping good things there. I don't know. It's tough for me. It's tough. I don't know. I don't know. And I also want to say that, like, I wouldn't be angry if Paul Giamatti this as like as a person that's watching the Oscars and has their own opinion, I loved my so much that I wouldn't be in it. So it's like it's different from last year's conversation. Yeah, like I remember we were talking last year like Brendan Fraser and Austin Butler and I was like, okay, this is Brendan Fraser. Let's just let's not fuck this up. Yeah, that would, that would have just been terrible. That was it. my God, Yes. So this isn't like that. This really isn't. This is just one of those things where I would be very happy for Paul Giamatti for that career because, yeah, that is a career win and he is very good in the holdovers. It would just be one of those things where I'm like, I think this is where this is where the awards get in the way of themselves. I think sometimes where you do give a career win over not silly, like just looking at the overall year and I Yeah, yeah. So I wouldn't be angry. I would just be a little deflated for for Kellyanne. I would too. It's going to for me, it will largely depend on how the night overall comes out. If if picture and director go the way that everyone is predicting, like everyone is predicting, then that lessens the blow if actor goes. Giamatti to me, but we'll see. I, I also think I think both of these guys have a really good shot at being back here. But Killian Murphy doesn't. He's not someone who gets like the starring role a lot of the time, not movies this big. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see this next one. Wow. The SAGs throw a wrench. This actress in a leading role. Who? Annette Bening. Nyad Lily Gladstone, Killers of the Flower Moon. Sandra Haller. Anatomy of a Fall. Carey Mulligan, Maestro. Emma Stone. Poor Things. It's The Battle of the Stones. Lily versus Emma. If Emma Stone had not won this for La La la, Yes, in 2016 she would be walking away with this. She would be winning this, and it wouldn't really be I. That's my belief anyway. I don't think it would be much of a discussion. Now we have Lily Gladstone coming up who won the SAG, which I think was a bit of a shock. She was surprise gave great speech. I don't know who the favorite is here anymore. I don't know. I don't know who walks away with this. I have always from the beginning since I saw killers, The Flower Moon, even on this podcast, I said she's going to win it. After I saw poor things, I still said Lily Gladstone. I've always thought that this has nothing to do with which performance is better. It's all about like narratives, who's won before, who hasn't? Not many people had heard of Lily Gladstone until this movie and till this year. It's going to be a great moment in Oscar history if Lily Gladstone wins, whereas if Emma Stone wins, it's going to be Emma Stone's second Oscar. It doesn't do anything. It's not like, Wow, this is history in the making and that these are narratives that matter to voters. So my vote would go to Emma Stone if I had a ballot. Who do I think's going to win? It's a damn tossup. They've both run great campaigns. They are friends. They've been very good about being like, this is not we're not like duking it out privately. Like they're they're friendly, they're friends. So I don't know. We're going to see it's Lily versus Emma. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know either. You're 1% right That. That everything you said I got Emma Stone is so good and poor things. She's no good. I think this will be the hardest one for me to take on the day. Yeah, of what do I think will win? So if it's between $500 and you think this is. This is. Yeah, this is the one. This is best actor last year ish. Although Brendan Fraser have an award. If Brendan Fraser had already had an Oscar, I would have been like, my God, he's not going to win and Austin Butler is going to win this. So again, not a 1 to 1, but as and then as my dad keeps saying, he's like our Lily and Emma to split and then it goes to Annette Bening. My dad, my God, that's not going to happen. No, no. But you know, I don't know how well either of these films are going to do. We have not said Killers of the Flower Moon is going to win anything. So is this going to be another Marty movie that gets ten nominations and does not get an award? Or does it get ten nominations and gets best actress? I don't know. Is poor thing the type of movie that gets a bunch of nominations, but it does not win an award is that it's because I don't think you've picked poor things no you did you picked it's win production design and costume design. Yeah. So No, no, no, no. I pick Barbie or you pick Barbie. So. Yeah, like, yeah, it does. Poor thing. Does not get a single win. That will be that will be nuts if we get all the way down to actress and poor things. And killers of the flower Moon have not won anything. And then it's going to go to one of those two and that'll be like the award of the movie. That'll be wild. I don't see that happening. I think poor things will win some of the technical maybe, though, I don't know, maybe this is the biggest of the major races. This is the biggest one to watch. I agree. I agree. I'm in agreement. And then since is our last acting category, before we get to the last two, they're going to do a really cool thing this year when they present these awards. They've only done it once. They did it in 2008, where they are going to have five previous winners of that award come on stage and introduce each nominee. So if you go back and watch like the year Heath Ledger won, for example, there's five best supporting actors on stage and each of them give like 2 minutes to each nominee and talk about their performance. So it's that's what they're going to do this year. And I don't know everyone is going to be on stage, but when best actor is presented, there's going to be five previous best actors on stage and then someone you know will give it out. And I like that. It's cool. So just a bit of a programing thing. No, that's kind of cool. But I have a question really quick about the show. Are we going to miss out on some awards like we did last year? Like they're going to just know they're doing them all. They're doing them all That's done. Good, good, good, good. And I think they did them all last year. I think it was the year before it might have been 2021. Yeah. No that's, that's done. That was not received well at all. And I was like, holy Christ, was I mad about that? I was so excited. So it was like cinematography was one, right? Yeah, like one year. Yeah. I think like, I think that was 2021 or I don't remember. I was not pleased with that at all. Yeah. No, they're showing everyone. All right. Thank God. So. good, good, good. That's a cool programing note. All right, here we go. Drumroll, director and picture. Will do. Director First, here are nominees. Justin Tre Anatomy of a Fall. Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon. Christopher Nolan Oppenheimer. Yorgos Lanthimos. Poor Things. Jonathan Glazer. Zone of Interest. Those are five utterly perfect nominees for this award this year. Just perfect, flawless nominees I love. They all deserve to be here. Everyone telling me Christopher Nolan is going to win this. I guess it it's just really hard for my brain to believe this. But if you all are telling me that Christopher Nolan is going to win this, I my God. Do I hope that that's what's happening? I just hope it's happening. I've heard comparisons to a bit of like how Spielberg was anointed with Schindler's List and. Spielberg was known really primarily for doing. He did some serious movies. The Color Purple is a serious movie, of course, but he was he was not known as like, whoa, Serious? Like Oscar director. Not necessarily. And then when that movie came out, that winning picture and director was like very much a foregone conclusion, I was too young, but I've tracked it like, since, and everyone knew that was going to win. Is that what's happening here? Tell me. It's like fucking a. my God. Back to back looks right here. Picture The nominees are American fiction. Anatomy of a Fall. Barbie The Holdovers. Killers of the Flower Moon. Maestro Oppenheimer. Poor Things Past Lives The Zone of Interest. It's an AP 112 Punch. It's an AP homey win that God. Did you write down how many you think Oppenheimer will win? You don't tell me which ones they are. Do you have a number? I just want the number eight. Eight? Well, okay, Good. Good guess. Okay, so here as I pass it out, because a lot of people are talking about this could if I had seven. And that's very you know, I'm lowballing it because I'm like nervous. So seven can happen. It happened last year with everything everywhere it's been popular with the preferential voting of best picture. But to get eight or over is incredibly rare. I actually don't know how I actually didn't realize how rare it is. So the last time a movie did this 28 Slumdog Millionaire 15 years ago, well, that movie won eight Oscars. That was 15 years ago. And that movie wasn't even nominated for an acting award. So that's pretty wild that it walked away with eight. That's crazy. The time before that we got to go to 23 Lord of the Rings, return the King, it wins 11. Then we got to go to Titanic. 97. It wins 11. Yeah, that was a12 punch because the English patient, the year before 96 that won nine, but then the last emperor in 1987, one nine. So 1987 is a long time ago. This is not something that happens a lot. These huge sweeps are not. So we're going to see it. Winning eight does boost Oppenheimer up to a certain, you know, pedigree of film as it relates to Oscars. I don't know. I Have it in the seven category, which is still no slouch. I really hope it gets to eight. The eight is going to depend on some of those, you know, kind of smaller ones that we're not really sure about is, you know, Yeah, costume design, production design, I don't know, like yeah. And then for it to win eight, it's got to cling to, it has to win screenplay to win eight like it has to be that That's the, that's the one that's the one for me that I actually didn't have at winning that. And I went, okay, so that leaves me at seven. I hope it's eight. It's very hard to get to nine. If we get to nine, then it it needs to make up it needs to do production design, costume design. But even for it to get to eight, you know, zone of interest can't win. Sound like it's got a it's got to knock out like all the ones that people expected to We'll see either way seven eight. This is fantastic news to me. These are great numbers. It's great numbers. I love it. I love seeing it. I love seeing it. my God. I'm really looking forward to good night. I'm very much looking forward to watching them with you. We are going to go live before will be on our socials kind of posting about it. That's it. That's it. There we go. We got seven days till the big show is going to be away. It's just going to be a better show than it's going to be the most fun Oscar show we've had since we've been doing this podcast. Because, yes, the stakes are just way more fun. So I'm looking forward to Good Night Shows hosted by Jimmy Kimmel. Again, big presenters. So we got like Mahershala Ali. He's definitely going to present. He'll be one of the five presenting supporting actor Nicolas Cage, Matthew McConaughey, Al Pacino. They're all going to be up there for actor Sam Rockwell. He'll be up there for supporting actor. Jessica Lange will be up there for actress. Lupita Nyong'o will be up there for. Supporting actress Michelle Pfeiffer is going to be a presenter. Sunday is going to be a prevent presenter. They're going to have some good people. It's going to it's going to be a good show. here's a fun question. Does Leo show up not nominated when he's not nominated? Traditionally, he does not show up. I don't know. It's Marty. It's Marty. I don't know. I think he'll. You think he'll show? Okay. I think he'll show. I don't know. I don't. He may not because he's got to sit in the front row. He's that's what it's always going to do. I don't know. We'll see. I hope he shows. It's always good to see Leo. If Lily Gladstone wins, she has him to thank a lot, just as it relates to campaigning, because every single interview that he did for Killers of the Flower Moon, she was right next to him and he spent more time talking about her than his performance, which I really respect and appreciate. Well, I think it's also understandable. Yeah, Well, okay. We know how you feel about all this, Leo. What you do for a living. Can't believe God. He was great. I gave you $20. I came out all right. Oscar's looking forward to. It's going to be a lot of fun. What do you watching? Here we are. We've arrived. You stole mine right from out. Right from under me. Robot dreams. I'm going to list a few more that I've just been watching for. Fonzie's. I'm going to. So I have three on here. Yes, because they're the two that haven't seen that I want to see. And that is American fiction and the zone of interest. So as I feel, I really feel like I got I haven't even seen the movie and I just feel like I'm a champion for it because of just the way that I feel like that movie is doing something different. But the one movie that that I can't get out of my head and you're going to hate it. You're going to hate it. You're not going to hate it, but you're going to roll your eyes. I have not stopped thinking about this movie since I saw it, and I think if I had to revise my top ten, it would go up a spot as past lives. Really? Okay. All right. Well, really, really, really can't stop thinking about it, and I really like it. That's good. I'm glad you liked it. I mean, but would it be your vote for original screenplay? You think like on your personal ballot? No, actually, my personal ballot would go to me. December. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I'm so glad. At least got nominated for that. Still surprise December to not do better with Todd Haynes of it all the very famous people. Natalie, Natalie, Natalie, Julianne, all Oscar winners Netflix very surprised by that. Do you think you will be seeing the movies you haven't seen before? Oscar night Zone of interest. I really want to see this sort of interest before Oscar night. That's the one I'd rather see than Dune two, honestly. I'd rather go see. You're crazy. You're crazy. Why? Because Dune is awesome. Yeah, but, I mean, I'm going to. Okay, so. All right, good. I hope you get to see those. Let's go to Dunes too long. So I don't think we have too many paths we have to deal with. Dan, I will figure it out. No No, we've got. We got. We can't do it. But I am very I have not been excited for a movie in a long time. I'm very excited. See Dune two. I was putting that out there. Okay. Well, I wanted to kind of We'll get to that very. You know what? It's all right. Let's do it now. Yeah. So. Yeah. So programing delays. I was going to initially be watching that and then we were going to record this episode and some things happened. So we recorded this episode about an hour after we finish I'm going to see Dune to an IMAX. And you said, and I shared something with you and you were like, Let's just talk it out in the So that's what we're going to do. So I know that's how you felt about it. I should be more excited and I'm just not excited really. I don't know why people I love Denis Villeneuve. I like the first movie, but I'm okay and I now I can track it. We already got into the conversation with Spider-Man across the Spider-verse I I'm not a fan of this, like serialization, and I've never read the book. I've seen David Lynch's film. I know he condensed a lot down, but I don't I don't know how. This story ends. I don't remember from Lynch's film, and I've never read the book. So what I'm about to say, this is not a dune to spoiler because I'm not watch the trailer. I haven't read a single thing about it, but it's been all over the press and I'm seeing everyone say how excited they are for potential third movie. So when you say that and I didn't know there could be a third movie, it just it's like there's no stakes. So, like, so no one dies, which is fine. No one has to die. But now you don't know that I don't know it. But then if you're that excited to, like, come back for the third movie and you're that excited to come back, like as a ghost or like a figment, because you were killed. Like, okay, but now when I go watch this movie and characters are in peril, I know in the back of my head there's no danger that came before them because they're going It's like we're talking about superheroes, which is fine if that's what it's supposed to be. But I don't I don't know when this ends is there is a room for it. Dune four And I'm serious. Is this an avatar situation? Like go look at Denis Villeneuve's movies demand for many years. One movie to the next. They had nothing in common. They were so different thematically, what they were about. And that's all good. If the man wants to be in dune world for a decade, I guess that's cool. Just I wish he was still doing other stuff, so I don't know. I also wish I didn't feel this way, but I'm not like I'm going to see it, but I'm not like that. Excited for it. I mean, I don't know. You're talking about a director that you love and this is this dude's favorite fucking thing. Dune is like the thing that he loves. It's what got him into everything. He's talked about it. I mean, let the dude tell the story that he wants to tell. I am. I am. And I'm. I'm excited to see it. I have all open minded. I'm sure I'm going to watch it and be completely wowed and dumbfounded by like, it's awesome power. I rewatched the first one yesterday and I was like, okay, like getting in, getting into the vibe of it. I do think it's going to be a good movie, but I it's not the movie itself. Dune two might be a good movie, but Dune one started in me. I had no fucking clue that it was going to be two movies, and the first thing you see in that movie is Dune Part one I in the theater went Part one of what? Look what's happening here. When does part two come out? And I wasn't saying, is Dune two I'm seeing it today I shouldn't dune what are they calling it? Messiah. I shouldn't even know what the third movie could potentially be called, but that's all anyone's talking about. Third movie, third movie, third movie. So every it just bums me out. It bumps me out that there are no. Did you have the same stakes like question for yourself when you saw the first one? This is the only that was in my head the entire time when I sold dune part one at that first viewing, like, a lot of it was ruined for me because not a lot of it, but I spent the first half hour of that movie going, What the fuck is going on? How am I just how many movies is this? How am I just learning right here that this is Dune part one? I thought. I thought when walked into that movie I was getting the whole Dune experience and that three years later, in 2020, for Denis Villeneuve and everyone involved, we're going to be moving on, will have moved on to something else. I just don't know. Like when does this end? That's all I'm saying. It is not Dune's fault. It's a fault of it's. It's what is happening to movies now. It's it. I can play this exact argument to across the spider-verse, which you said, you know you didn't like. Now maybe Dune does. Maybe Dune two does end with a big battle, but we all know the first one didn't. I gave the first one to pass, but the first one ends with a hand-to-hand knife fight. And then they go off and say, you know, this is just the beginning, which is exactly how it crosses fight over card of which we just gave shit for. We just gave shit to that. So like, when does this end? But it's, it lets you know of Dune part one. Okay, there's going to be, there's going to be more like we know like it's, it's not a fight. There's, there's a side. All right, all right, all right. Yeah. I'm just if you do the avatar thing and he's like, Hey, my career is Avatar only. I'm doing five movies. Sorry. That's all you're getting. Then I go, okay, but we talked about that on the way. The water pot. Like, do we miss that? We don't get Jim Cameron anymore. We only get Avatar. Jim Cameron. We do not get Big Jim making like other movies. So I don't think Denis Villeneuve is going to do Dune forever, but I just. I don't know when this ends. So now you're talking about Dune Messiah, which is probably going to come out in 2027. This is not Dune fault. This is not Denis Villeneuve's fault. But I do think we're giving the exact same argument to the Spider-verse stuff. Think. I think it's one and one what we're doing here. I think I think. I think I think this one's just like this is like you're talking about a better movie right here. It's a better experience. Well, see, I'm hoping for good things. I want to be wowed by it. I mean, listen, you're you're talking about a guy that doesn't like these types of movies at all either. That's like, well, I don't either. That's the thing. Like, I don't I usually don't like these. And, you know, it's longer. It's bigger, it's got a bigger cast. But I'm just that's all. I'm just sitting here wondering in the back of my head how long is Denis Villeneuve going to be in Dune world? Like heavy, man, You know, I see you. I know. I'm excited to see it. I am excited. See it? I'm excited to see. I hope my overall point is that I just I don't really like knowing going in that, you know, I understand coming, that's all. You know, there's all sorts of potential for stakes. I feel like Disney is going to give you those. It'll raise it up beyond just that. Yeah. And that's like, it's kind of nice to be in this position where I'm like, like I'm not flipping out. I'm not really excited for it. I'm just going to, like, watch a movie and I hopefully will get like pretty blown away or, you know, I'm doing it. I'm doing the IMAX thing. I'm seen in the best theater possible. I'm I'm ready. I'm not going to be looking for faults or anything like that with a movie like this. I mean, it's what I do. The first one, I just give into it so I know what the fuck they're talking about. I don't know, like all the terminology and stuff. So I'm just going to give in. No, I'm excited. Denis Villeneuve You got to look at the director. He does not. He doesn't do that. Doesn't miss. Yeah, he doesn't do bad. And I'm still ecstatic that he agreed to push Dune two because of this movie. man. Will it come out when it was supposed to? It would be giving Oppenheimer a huge run for a lot of these awards. A lot of the technical awards. So I'm very happy for that. 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