105: Ocean’s Twelve (2004) Commentary

“What are we stealing?” Alex and Nick have an absolute ball watching Steven Soderbergh’s irreverent masterpiece, “Ocean’s Twelve.”
Stray topics include George Clooney’s star power, Brad Pitt’s eating, Tess as Julia Roberts, Matt Damon as a buffoon, the cinematography of Peter Andrews, and so much more. As the movie nears its conclusion, Alex attempts to explain the film’s convoluted plot, and how that may have turned audiences off.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hey, everyone, Welcome to What are you watching? I'm Alex Withrow, and Nick is here. He's on this commentary track. I promise. He's just not on this intro. If he was here, I would call him Glen Snack. Well, naturally, Ocean's 12. Okay, real quick, before we get into the commentary, Ocean's 12, I really wanted to do this episode because I think this movie is very misunderstood. The back half of this movie is so intentionally convoluted that people either missed out. What happens, as I did the first few times I saw it, or some people may actually understand what happens, but then they're so pissed off when they realize that the movie tricked them, which is fair. That's the thing about Ocean's 12 the entire time we are watching the movie, we think that the Ocean's 12 gang are only trying to outsmart the night Fox, played by Vincent Cassel. But in the end, we realize they were outsmarting the audience as well. I love that stuff. Ocean's 11 does this for a little bit too, but it's only like a couple of seconds, like, you know, the whole thing involving the Bellagio vault. We, as the audience know that they have built that practice vault, but we do not learn till the very end that they recorded their practice run. And they have tricked Terry Benedict with staged footage. So Terry Benedict and the audience are being fooled at the same time there. But again, it's just a couple of seconds. Ocean's 12 does this for about 45 minutes, and I love it. We had a lot of fun doing this. You will occasionally, not often, just like once or twice, you're going to hear some police or ambulance sirens in the background. Welcome to L.A.. One thing we did not mention is Bruce. Bruce Willis. We mentioned how much we love him in the movie. But, you know, just where Bruce is at in life right now. We love him. We're thinking about him. I want to do a Bruce episode in full sometime. But Ocean's 12, directed by Steven Soderbergh, one of my favorite directors, one of my favorite movies by one of my favorite directors, one of the most irreverent sequels ever made. I hope you can watch along with us because we do laugh a lot at things that are said or just looks that the characters give to each other. When you hear the beep, that is when I hit play on the movie. So in 3 to 1. Now here we are, one of the greatest intentional efforts of Hollywood history, Ocean's 12, where Warner Brothers gave Steven Soderbergh$110 million to do whatever he wanted. And how did we get quite the experimental blockbuster film? Like? This is a major, major film and we love it. And I think I just think it's great they're doing this in 1113 or did starting like this with 12? Oh God, this is my favorite one oh series. Oh yeah. Which is the least popular opinion. Soderbergh's favorite as well. And this was the one for this entire weekend that I was the most excited that we were going to record. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I mean, it just would have already a difference from any of the way the other three movies start. We're talking like rain and, like, there's nothing flashy whatsoever about this. We're immediately being introduced into to a new character who was not in the original. And, you know, Soderbergh's thing, one of his tenets of filmmaking is when I'm watching a movie, I need to be able to understand the language. By the time the third shot is happening right here, this is all just been one shot. So he's someone who really knows how to open a movie. We're going to, you know, he shoots his own films. This under the pseudonym Peter Andrews, as he does with this film. So we're going to talk a lot about his great work as a cinematographer. It it just it doesn't look like an Ocean's movie at all. No, it looks it looks completely different, different setting. You know, we're taking it out of Vegas. It's just hysterical. Everything about this is such like a meta experiment and the choices they took that I really never seen in any other movie, like to the degree in which they played out. It's just incredible. Oh, this is so great. See, now this lighting, it looks a little bit more like one. Like I can take this shot right here with him with that lighting, that seems like something that could be an ocean's 11. I love that double take. That is amazing. It's really fun. When we see him jump out of this window, it looks like he could be jumping down far. But he was it was just like a five foot drop, which is why they freeze framed it. SODERBERGH Freeze framed it. It's hysterical. But I love this, though, because, like like they do that a lot with him. Like when he finds out he's stolen his phone and yeah, funny face. I love that. Know it's like, yeah, those stops really end, you know? I mean, I don't know how much we're going to get to like the plot of this movie because it's so parts of it are so convoluted in like us rehashing the plot as we go. It's not going to get us to talking about the things I think we want to talk to. But it's just so funny how she's describing, like, I'm looking for this guy and she's describing Rusty perfectly. So it's like, ah, it's the that's a little like in Cold Blood. I actually the rain coming down on the windows. One of the things that I really like about this movie is I really like the dynamic of this broken relationship that, Oh yeah, I think Catherine Zeta Jones have like, well, it's it's the same. It's just a repeat of Clooney and Robert. Yeah, the first one. Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's a little different cause she's involved in the world. Well it's, there's more depth to it. Yeah. Which is one of the reasons why I like this movie more. Because Julia Roberts, to me, in the first one, like, I like that she's in it, but she's not really doing like that much. She's just kind of there. And here they really give her a lot to do. But Catherine Zeta Jones is also like in the middle of the shit, like she's putting in the whole time. Yeah, it's so cool. It's like, that's impressive. So it reminds me of out of Sight to just these angles, you know? Clooney in a bank? Yeah. You know George Clooney, man, You know, he's someone that we that we brought him up on talking about Michael Clayton in there. Yes. Yes. But what are your thoughts on George Clooney? I mean, I love him. He's you know, we don't we don't have George Clooney is any more like someone who's just got that movie star gravitas who can there are long sequences of this movie like the Matt Tsui thing when they're messing with Damon and, you know, the Kashmir, he doesn't even do or say anything. He's so straight face and it just works like I, I think when he's at his best and dialed into where he knows, like what the intention is, I think he's just perfect. You know, I don't think every performances given is flawless. That's okay. But his job in Ocean's 11 was to be a 2001 version of Frank Sinatra because Ocean's 11 is a Rat Pack movie originally. And he did that perfectly. And I just I've always loved his I don't know. I don't think his career is as strong now as it was kind of back then. But I've always been a huge fan. Michael Clayton is my favorite. It is. But I mean, I don't know anyone else who could have done Danny Ocean like this and been this effective with all these players. And in one movie, well, he's just so prominently George Clooney. Yeah that there there is just like when you hire him you know what you're getting you're certain you're getting a certain type of level of a classy type of guy. Very charming, very charismatic. And that's what you get even even in his roles, where he actually does do some deep, deeper Caribbean type stuff like Syriana, right, like that. I mean, it's like the one movie where I kind of almost forget. Well, that's maybe why he won his Oscar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But my favorite still is The Descendants. That's. Yeah, You do like that one? I mean, he's good in it. That's when he's saying goodbye to her. That's like one of his best scenes ever. It just is. It's a it's a really humane performance. I really like him, and I think it's just because it's the one performance where he is the least cool, right? He'll ever be. So when they want to say, when Benedict comes in here now we're going to meet all the rest of the characters. You know, we're going to get to see where everyone is because Benedict has hunted them down. And most of the time now, it's a stand up comedian guy. But most of the time, they're all going to be in one shot. So when we are seeing all these guys for the first time since Ocean's 11, Soderbergh is revealing these intros to us all in one shot, and that's how he works as a cinematographer. Like, what's the least amount of coverage I have to do? Yeah, sometimes it's unavoidable. Like we're about to have 11 of these guys in one room. Like you have to cut, cut, cut. But I just love that detail of every time we're going to meet one of our new guys in the crew, it's all in one shot and they're not like easy shots. I mean, the ex-con, Casey Affleck, when we just go up the whole wedding dinner table and come down, Oh, it's brilliant. Even that run, it's got such like a sixties type of like, Oh, yeah. It's like, well, the movie's kind of like, is this going to be about him? Like, I think the knockoff jewelry stores, like around Yale, in Connecticut here. And then, you know, he comes back. Now it's a different movie like Run for Your Lives There, that whole kind of code phrase that she uses to head out. Like I must start quoting that thing she said when the guy was mixing the paint. She goes, That's it's too Oxblood. Yeah. Welcome to your new life test. A cool thing. You know, these movies are cool. Like, that's the point. They're super, super cool. But Andy Garcia brings enough danger to it, to where you believe, like, he he would seriously hurt them if they don't pay up. Oh, yeah. And that's what. So even though he's playing it like, cool and intimidating, he doesn't have to bust any heads to make his point. Everyone just believes it. Oh, he's got people who know people exactly. But I love when Soderbergh talks about this movie. It's definitely his favorite shot and assembled of the three, and I would totally agree with that. I mean, this really feels like a European movie. It it's patterns, It's cutting styles. Yeah, I just love it. And I love that this is what no one expected Ocean's 12 to be. Ocean's 13 is what people thought it was going to be. And they just did that on purpose intentionally. And and they're all great. I think you just got to like that. You got it. Fine. Oh, this guy. This is so good. Yes. This is all going to be one shot. And this is you know, these cannot be easy to do. This is a lot of dialog. He has to hit. Like every time he's mentioning someone, we get to see that person's face. It's just it's just brilliant. And I mean, and lest we forget all the little dialog, this just snuck in here like there. What is Eric Garcia say the the honeymoon to Epcot Center. It's just so perfect. Just like he ignores a book that he molded their time they have. It is just so great. Yeah. There you go. But, I mean, it would be so easy to cover this, too. Like, you see Andy Garcia walking in, but this is perfectly it's perfect. And now we're going to follow him all the way back up. Like it's just it's brilliant staging. And even in a movie like this is a supremely weird blockbuster film, but doing things like this, it helps us kind of it helps. It's not confusing when we see shots like this because some of the plot is going to be confusing. So it's smart of him to do it this way. I think my favorite intro is of Brad Pitt just leaving the hotel in the car explodes. I think that's my favorite of these of this bunch. So good, these red gloves, these outfits. I know that this Hollywood trip to consider good. Oh, I don't know why. I've always loved this line where she's like, you know how hard it is for me to be friends with guys Like this is something that only, like, truly, truly, truly, really beautiful women have to deal with that line. I understand that. Well, I mean, one of the best ongoing bits of this whole series and it's never even mentioned, is that they all understand Mandarin like everyone around you understands Mandarin in its hysterical. Never mentioned there is a love that does so in the end the like. How many times can you reveal Benedict and have it be new and he always finds kind of, you know, different ways like no yeah reflection and of course yeah of course Benedict just knows Mandarin like yeah okay. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Bernie Mac, Big Medi, Panty Guy, Maddy Petty. Manny Petty yet. But he is in real life, so I love just putting him like this, you know, bringing all these people back would not have been easy because they're all very busy now. I mean, all these actors, like kind of famously Matt Damon went to Soderbergh and said, can you really, like, decrease my role here? I'm exhausted from these Bourne movies. Yeah. So they tried to work something out and obviously they give like they gave Damon more to do and it's perfect. So that didn't necessarily work out, which is great. It's great that they didn't lessen Damon's role, but one thing people may notice is that Bernie Mac really isn't in this movie that much, and that's because of scheduling conflicts. He was the only one with the scheduling conflict and they only had him for like four days. Wow. So my favorite scene in the movie is when they're all in the hotel room, like talking about the plan and the cameras all crazy. And Bernie Mac, the only one not there, but they make a bet that he's like, in the bathroom. But yeah, it's crazy. They only had him for like four days. And this is hysterical how they cut out him. Yeah, how they cut out all the F-bombs, the PG 13 movie. And why not like it works? Well, especially because you're talking about, like, how do you make each one of these scenes that where where Benedick is just coming to wrangle of all of them. How do you make them all something fun? Yeah. Look at that reflection. The piano. This is going to cause Damon, like, maybe even more than anyone. I think this is the biggest upgrade from 11 to 12. Like, I love all the stuff he puts into line this year. Just the kind of dreaminess, you know, I wouldn't have even. I almost didn't come over here to talk to you like you watched that a more invested interest and they just start messing with him from the beginning but they want he wants to be more involved. They're like, Alright, kid, we're going to crank the hell out of you. Can I hold? Yes. Terry Benedict Well, the way plays places, Yeah, Yes, of course, of course. I mean, when I sold Ocean's 11 in 2001, like I, Elliott Gould to me was like I'd seen him in friends and I'd seen him in like American history X and I didn't have any idea Carl Reiner was Rob Reiner's dad. And now I'm like, And these are two like the biggest these are probably the most famous people, like in these movies, like, yeah, who have contributed the most to film. I mean, Carl Reiner's just it a decades long. Yeah, it's great comedian, director, huge influence on so many people. But his Oh, God, this is hysterical. I know. It's just so I love. He goes, you know thanks for thanks for. Let me finish. What can I say you're funny guy This is great because when the production designer art directors, they were trying to think of what to name. This place came to Soderbergh, near which we named this club. And Soderbergh goes, Well, in the script, the scene is called the nightclub Scene. So they just name the bar, the nightclub thing. Again, it's it's all meta stuff, but it still works like no one. You know, you look at it, it's it's fixed. Yeah, it's simple. I'm like, oh, I think it's one of those things too. Or like, some things just don't need to be overthought. Right? Exactly. Just keep it simple. So that was one of the few character intros where it's not one shot. Yeah, we're cutting back, but I wonder what you could have done to make it. Like maybe he could have seen them from the set. Yeah, but yes, he could have. But we kind of did that already. But yeah, his thing is in one shot, which is fine. You know, it gets us in, in and out. Like this one's perfectly. You can have seen this coming. Yeah, exactly. This I remember I remember seeing Elliott Gould in these movies and I remember I recognize him from MASH. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I don't even know if I'd seen if I didn't, like, watch MASH as a kid, so I didn't even have that relationship to him in 2001. Yeah. Here we go. Handheld. We get it. Topher Grace cameo here. It's hysterical. The room's all trashed. And of course, he was. He played himself for the first one to tell you the poker lessons. What's the name of that movie? In Good Company with Dennis Quaid? Oh, yes. About the like, shit on it. I totally found in that Dennis Quaid movie. He was phoning it to Sweden, so. Oh, my God, It's all Frankie Muniz. Yeah. I mean, well, because around this time, like, he destroyed a hotel or something. Is this a standard? Yeah, this. It looks like the standard. It is not downtown, but it was West Hollywood. Yeah. I love Raymond. The Rusty's tried to. There it is. Basically, I quit the show. Yeah, Rusty's just trying to be like this hotel connoisseur. The guy. What a strange career Topher Grace has had. Like, he's still. He shows up and things, and I'm always there for it. Years ago, Topher Grace is here, but it's just such a very, very. It's all over the place. You got him. So this is an I mean, it's been one shot, but then we're smartly going to hold it here and then pick up. So it's just two shots. But that couldn't have been easy. The time when you're blowing up a damn car in the parking lot. And then Pitt's reaction is perfect. Thank God. The handheld. Yeah, it really is a great show. Soderbergh is so close to it. Oh, yeah. Soderbergh is very aware of like when to go handheld, when tonight He thinks about all this stuff. Puts a lot of detail into it. Like, do you think that if you're the actor, you're Brad Pitt, You're like, All right, should be now? No. Real close. No, I mean, yeah, maybe a little bit. But you just put the trust in in people. And so and watch like those transitions. That's such a hacky transition. That's like a stock like star wipe, essentially. Like you'd never do that. But he just pulls these often. These movies. I love these little white transitions. All right. Something really cool about this, like, oh, I've never filmed something where you're trying to cover 11 people. I just can't imagine how difficult this would be to shoot in the way Soderbergh does this. It's kind of a callback to when they first meet at Elliott Gould, telling the first one. So to settle this uphill is to have all the actors come in the room is like, Take your places. You know, I'm not going to tell you where to sit. And then he'll go around and map out all the shots, and he usually edits his own movies himself. But Stephen Marrone, who won an Oscar for editing Soderbergh's Traffic, he edits all the Ocean's films. And so he shot all of this stuff and then gave it all to Marion and said, When you're cutting the scene, try to never cut back to the same shot twice. And that is that was a ridiculously complicated editing exercise and shooting exercise yet. Yeah, well, yeah, you're looking at everything. Everything's like the first time. Every shot's like, I mean, maybe we go back to that, like, you know, But for the most part, these are all new shots, and I just can't imagine how we never got that one, though. Like that. One of Elliott Gould, Right? Yeah. But I mean, the amount of coverage that this is. Right. I mean, how, how long do you think this sequence took? Just based on, like you say, everything went right, Like there weren't any hiccups. It was just getting this amount of coverage. I mean, I Soderbergh works incredibly fast to three takes, so this probably at least a day. And for him to spend a whole day on a scene is a big deal. But I would that's a long time for him. Yeah I would think this would be like a day. I mean he he talks about having a day shoot planned out and then that that's when we've cut back to the week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he like as much as possible, as much as I don't ever rely on like, hey, I'm going to, that's my go to angle, just try to mix it up. I love this It sells out, zips out. Oh, they're all going around talking about how much money they have left over hotels now. And this look at like the look of this shot. Like it looks like I mean, the colors, the I mean, it looks like they're in some like, I don't know, like this is like a warehouse. Yeah. Yeah. Like in the Browns and the blacks and like, the like it's just a very, very it's a clear departure from the we're in. We're like rubble almost. Yeah. We have, we have left the beauty and the fluorescence of the first one. And this certainly does not have as much flash in that regard as the first one, which I don't think a lot of people were expecting, like in like an old beaten down, like a newspaper studio or a building that's been out of office. It looks great. It's, you know, manufacturing studio or something. Yeah. Look at all that stuff in the background. Hats. I love that he's already got the plans and they always in these movies are so careful about adding in all the like look at look at Frank's reaction to Amsterdam Yeah Oh that means something. And then he goes Don't tell Barney. Yeah but it's so cool that like just with one line of dialog in a look. Amsterdam. Yeah. Don't tell Danny. It's now we know there's something there. Yeah. It's like, what is it and why the hell does Frank know it? And I love that. Yeah. Best that he wakes up so believably. Yeah, it's like a little bit like his eyes. He looks so like he was just passed out. I love the way they play this particular. Yeah. Particularly the way David plays it. Just, you know, I wasn't going to come over here. That's obviously this is like desperation that he has is just so perfect, you know, chewing gum. Oh, God. Damian is is absolutely incredible at it because he is a leading man in so many of his roles. The way that he approaches secondary characters to me is some of the most fascinating work for a movie star of his caliber. Yeah, I think I mean, we've talked about this. I think it's he's almost even better at it. Yeah. Welcome back to the fucking Matt Damon Commentary hour. Yeah, The Departed, brother. I know, because he's not doing this on purpose. I promise. He is not afraid at all to make himself look like a complete fool. I mean, that's that's evidence here. But then we look at the informant like he's just a total ass. But, yeah, you're right. Not a lot of movie stars will do that. I, I personally love playing roles like this. Like just me personally. Like, any time I get to play someone that's really insecure, more like, really kind of worried about something, it's. It's the most fun I live with. A pit goes, okay, okay. And, you know, they're just setting up this grift here from the beginning just to mess with him. Okay? Okay, awesome. All right. So, like, it's so acting, but he does even before he comes back, he goes though the double take looking back at is that though this smile looking back takes buddy. Oh, my gosh. It's just. Oh, yeah. It gives like a look back to oh, oh, what a great I mean, I've never seen this in a just instead of saying, you know, if you all this is fucking brilliant. I hate that word. What's your take on that word? What? Brilliant mouth, fucking hair. I mean, whatever you like, you just get like, abused by the world of, like, film and incredible is abuse more because the actual definition of incredible is something that is not credible. So it's not believable. And now people use it as like, Oh, that's amazing. But it's actually but it's like if you tell me something, I could say that's bullshit, but I actually could accurately say, Yeah, that's that's incredible. That's incredible. We should start doing that. That will sound like fucking idiot. Excuse me. Now we're bringing it back. Yeah, we're bringing it back. We'll have to put it like an emphasis on the way we say it, because it's been saying me like. Like. Oh, that's incredible. That's like. That's incredible. Yes. We'll start that now. Yeah, Brilliant. I don't mind. I think brilliant is funny. I like when a British people use it. I think they use it better. Oh, that's brilliant. Because they'll say it about like smaller things. Yeah. You know the all these cuts of in this music. I love it just like so I honestly didn't realize what like funeral he was at. I mean there's a lot that goes went over my head the first time I saw this but this is her mom's funeral and I didn't really realize that. So he's like, paying a respects and she doesn't know who her dad is. That's all going to. It's a huge surprise at the end. I always of feel like there's this great pining that ultimately he really does have. Oh, yeah, he still absolutely loves her. Like he left her because he didn't want to get caught. Yes, a thief. And it's kind of going to be revealed that she knew that was him and she was kind of struggling of like, do I take him down? Oh, what a great match. Cut their whole like the way their back story, their love stories revealed in flashbacks their meet cute. So my favorite thing Soderbergh has done because there's very little dialog there are these amazing shots or this thing of them dancing and just there's a spotlight on them and all these people around them during the car, like looking out the window, it all fits. You really feel that they're falling in love. All right. So this is like one of the funniest scenes and the 11, 12 or 13. Yeah, this really is. But let's just take a moment to just point out that jacket that that's a European jacket right there. He went there to buy a woman's jacket. And I think so convince me otherwise. Well, I feel like Dolph Lundgren would have worn something like that, like something and pulled it off. You know, call that dude a woman. You talk about a scene that has nothing to do with anything. Exactly. This is all character work. Yeah. You have no idea what's happening the first time you watch it. I mean, hearing Soderbergh talk about it seem like this in the way he describes. Yeah, it's picking all this coverage. Like, okay, I'm going to have Pitt and Clooney in one because this scene isn't really about I'm going to have them in one shot because it's not really about him. So they can share a frame. He's isolated in one mat suit here and then Damon's isolated. And it's just it's brilliant. Like when you cut to them and look at Clooney studying Damon the whole time. Oh, what is he going to How's he going to play this? Yeah, because you go to, like, turns of phrases or hysterical, and now it's all on him. Yeah, it he passes it back, you know, he's like, lobs back. I'm that ready. It's Yeah. Clooney looks like he wants to break, you know. Yeah. The for the default to quote Led Zeppelin isn't it hysterical is Clooney's look doesn't change Pitt looks like oh God you're burying us for Clooney this does not change and you don't. Yeah, you don't even find out who's a bit until like, Yeah, 10 minutes left in the film and they just throw it away. When he's talking to Cherry Jones, it's like on the Matsu. We think it's, Oh my God, it's everybody. You want to be more involved, you to figure this out. And how like Amsterdam is this lighting? I know it's so great. The pressure's just got it's just such a good scene for this book. I mean, one like this is really like I genuinely think this is Pitt's movie first. I think the main yeah. Through is Pitt and Catherine Zeta-Jones. And I think Damon's the number two here. I don't think this is Danny Ocean's movie on purpose. I dig that And Damon just Oh yeah, Damon just steps out so great. Especially with that context of wanting a lesser role. This is a great. Yeah, I know. Wanting a lesser role. Yeah. And they say Bruce being like, Okay, yeah, yeah, we got it. I got that. Yeah. How many days you're available, right? All right, we'll get you for a smaller double. Yes. It's he when he gets riled up like it's, it's really, really believable. It is. Yeah. What is his favorite? The best flip out moment he has is when he sees Bruce Willis. And it's really like a guy walk, like, seen this huge movie star. It's not Matt Damon seeing him. It's just it's like, whoa, Well, there's another great quote unquote hacky transition that absolutely works. All right. My favorite scene in the movie and like, oh, maybe a top five Soderbergh scene. I mean, Ocean's 12 is in my top five Soderbergh films ever. But this whole sequence in the hotel, I think, is I mean, it just gives me chills about how he decided to cover it, the exact end to the set. So that warehouse scene where we end, where every shot is on sticks, we're constantly cutting two different footage. Now we're going to go handheld. It's dizzy. They rehearsed it a bunch. They had to get the timing of everything down, like when we're cross talking over each other because there's so much cross dialog. This like from here until the end of the scene. Yeah, it's just it's honestly hard for me to talk over because I just want to watch it. But every little line like Brad Pitt's going to go, Please don't touch my food. But yeah, what does that mean? It means please don't touch my food like it's brilliant. But the only person out here is Bernie Mac, and they have it, you know that he's, like, in the bathroom. Got the handheld thing. Yeah, it. And. And you really get the the enclosure of the space to like things are smaller in like Europe and I love that the low ceilings yes you know Oh yeah I do too. The lighting of all of this, it's just a great looking shell. You really feel like you're in this room with everybody. You feel like you're in this room in Amsterdam, in Europe. And this was on a set on the Warner Brothers lot. And it's amazing. This isn't like in Amsterdam. They just built this and it looks so believable. But knowing like when to cut, when to hold a shot, you keep this the camera right there in the bedroom. Well, he's holding a camera. Yeah. Yeah. One of them has a camera and they're just playing with it. Like, Yeah, he's just. He's just filming stuff all the time, which I love it. Never. But it also looks like the way that we're seeing it, That's. I think that's part. Yes, I think that's part of the, the thing. But the real winner here is the sound and the sound design of it, because you keep hearing people talking over each other, which people, you know, can't hear. We're talking now, but simple as I love this dumb idea, he's like, don't want to sound like freaks. Code dumb. David gets all upset. Do we really want to be the type of organization that uses words but freak, that's all. It's just like the clunky clinking Brad Pitt's eating is always like, always. It's just perfect. Super freak. He's going to get so mad. Look, get if he's getting upset already. There he goes. Freeze it. It's just tell it the room, you know, so he doesn't have to say it. Gore phobia. He offers up the word get agoraphobia. So it gives the tickets that see it go very good. But then we don't even cut it. You know, we just stay on him and hear someone respond. It's like, brilliant. He's like, All right, well, cool, fine. It's lost. And part of the genius is how Rusty and Danny almost always know what the other is thinking. Yeah, they can always finish each other's sentences. It's like, great. You make them up. And I love how we get these terms. Like these code terms. Yeah. All the. All these, like, heist terms, You know, I have no idea what they're talking about. It's it's really big when they're talking about stealing the egg. They're just using the heist terms. And again, we don't need all that. Who know? We don't need all that. And, and we never need to know what they are. No, it just it puts us in the world. Yeah. And I'm watching like a medical thing. I don't need to understand every single thing they're doing. I just need to believe that the people doing it know what they're doing, that's all. And they convince us very well that. Still, I think my favorite one in the whole series is in 13, when Matt Damon is well, we'll see how well he's doing. And Irwin Allen. Oh, yeah, Yeah, it's great. Oh, we can't talk about 13 and 11. Oh, we can when he, like, yells at Elliott Gould, you know, because he's in the bed. Look, they're doing it to shout lines. What if I put down the rule like, we're not allowed to ever reference 11 or 13? Well, all right. It'd be incredible if we didn't reference. If we reference them. Oh, yes, it would be. Would be the truest definition of the word. Yes. All right. We're kind of getting like, I've never done the six degrees of Kevin Bacon thing, but I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I could connect Miller's Crossing the Oceans 12 through some actors or something. But, you know, it's not very often that you're seeing things like this be referenced. Like I think this is actually a direct extension of Julia Roberts is coming. I think they're kind of like just by inserting this pop culture reference, like it's letting us know in 13 does this to like the nose plays. They call it the Brody like they're inserting pop culture stuff here. I can do that in one movement. Go for it. Miller's Crossing. John Turturro. Rounders. Matt Damon. Matt Damon. So there you go. Yeah. So there is a connection, a very, very easy one that like they're just having fun with. And you kind of have to give up the you just have to give a lot of it up and just have a lot of fun with it, that's all. It's not meant to be taken literally or seriously. Just have a little fun. This I believe this is all one shot that we're about to see. It's incredible. Also, love that Clooney's about. They like rest in. Clooney's about the poor heart out. But Pitt clearly has caught on that like, oh, wait, I figured out the job and he just leaves. Yeah, just lots of. They typically give them at least one scene like this in every movie. I mean, they're funny. They're so great. Yeah. When they're in front of the blogs, you own 13. Whoops. There's another reference that sucks. Also, like, hey, to the two most famous movie stars in the world, you're really far away. One of you can have your back. To me, the other is like hidden by a giant gear. That was a great cut. And now right here, he's just Rusty's gone. He's totally figure. He's just totally out of it. He's like, Oh, shit, I figured it out. I remember. We can freeze the house. Yeah, Yeah, I bet that just happens. Like, it's like a daily thing. Another quote unquote hacky WIP that I absolutely love and just eating the chips. All right, now, here, here's a video. I've been talking with you about this for a while. What the food like. I mean, it's always an ongoing joke that Brad Pitt's always eating in every movie. But. Well, I think that we got to be clear. I think that star started Ocean's 11. Yes. And now it's crossed over to to Moneyball. Yeah. Like everything, but not really Jesse James. But yeah, regardless is there is no better actor who can eat food on screen and have it looks like chips are incredibly hard to eat. They fall out of your mouth. They're messy. Like Brad Pitt. No matter what he eats, it just looks as good as anything could possibly eat to look. It does ever interferes with his dialog. Well, that's what you and I were talking about, is that like, it's hard to talk in rude and gross with food in your mouth? Yes. Does it perfectly. I'm like, how do you do this? I think think about if you're at a restaurant with somebody and how many times you take a big bite is something, then the question, then you're like, you've got to like, hold on, let me get this down, or you're just going to end up risking talking with a bunch of Brad Pitt. Never does. He's constantly just shoving shit in there. Yeah, and it looks good. Moneyball, He's got the popcorn and the coffee filter and they're like, You want me to go tell it? And he's like, I'll go tell him. You're like, shoving that Twinkie down his throat. It's crazy. I just don't understand how it's such a good bit for the Ocean's movies, but then as like a career bit. Yeah, it's still going. It still pays off. He doesn't do it all the time. Like, it's not a thing in Hollywood. I bet you we can find one scene where he's eating and yeah, I mean, maybe one, but it's. Yeah, maybe one scene. But it's every scene. It is. You know, it's every. So yeah, yeah. But you're right, there is still one. This is really funny because Soderbergh doesn't know how to swim, so he did not shoot these. Oh, these shots here. They, you know that that tracks. I could I can see a guy like Soderbergh not knowing how to swim Yeah the do knows everything about cameras, lighting, audio editing. So if you didn't take the memory the time to commit to learn how to swim, I get the pass. How you feel about Don Cheadle's accent throughout the series. Black people have issue with it. I'm like, I don't think it's meant to be like spot on, dead on balls at that. I don't think it's supposed to be. I think that's kind of part of the fun of it. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing exactly like truly serious. I take what these movies were exactly like that, Right? Right. They're just fun. They're just supposed to be fun, but they're good fun. Yeah, they're. They're very intelligent. They are? Yeah, exactly. Even. And this is the one that I think people would argue is the least fun, but it's just a different type. Right. And I think it's the most fun. Yeah, I think it's having the most fun. Like with itself and with its audience. Think about how long it's been since we've seen Catherine Zeta Jones and now she's coming back like, What is this? Yeah, this guy having to interrupters is such a good like, so Soderbergh So good at putting in these these realistic things like we've all had to like know you need to go tell them and I just believe this guy like, Oh God, I got to step in and interrupt. They're like, When do I do it now? When he doesn't. Her reaction like they what? And this is the this is the best like form of exposition you can get too. Because one, she's covering all this ground about Lamarque and all this type of stuff that like is important for us to know when we're learning because we don't know. In that first scene she's talking about like we can't gather what's happening. And so now we realize, Oh, this is her occupation. Yes, yes, this is what she does. She's hunting. Yeah. These people. And she doesn't know. We don't know yet that Lamarque is actually her father. She doesn't know that. So. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like this is this is a fantastic way to get exposition across without feeling like that's what we're doing. Yeah, because it's not two people having coffee, like around the table and it's stuffy. It's great setting with these extras and just this tension. It's like he knows he's got to interrupt there because I've always been. It's gone down. I think it's a good conversation to have and we may as well jump into it and do it because she really had like a mask of Zorro, Like she really announced herself to American audiences, like very quick 97 to this is 24 wins the Oscar and 22 for Chicago now hasn't really been around much lately. I'm fine with that. But when she when she hit like it really worked and I thought she folded into this world very well. And I mean she's worked the Soderbergh lot traffic this side effects yeah she's great inside sex yeah I've always been a fan of hers to do it like a favorite. I don't know I've never thought about like, favorite necessarily. Oh, that's a good I really like her in this. I mean, I'm in really going to shoot myself with this one. I mean, I love her and America's Sweethearts, as we all know. Oh, that's great. We're all allowed to have our own tastes. I would say that's not an incredible choice. I think that's a fair choice. A very, very good performer. It's a credible choice that you have. Thank you. I appreciate. I feel seen and heard. We're going to and I'm not a military man, that's for goddamn sure. We're going to. That was Hollywood. I got that. No, that's so Arrested Development. Oh, man. My people seem pretty weird that the TV sitcoms that you do. Back to Ocean's 12 here, we're going to get we're going to get something really incredibly difficult to pull off, which is a flashback within a flashback. It's not going to happen like right here, but I just want people to pay attention to it. That she is about to enter a flashback of like how this house got done. And then we see that these guys did the oceans guys figure out that, oh, the night Fox has done us over, how did this happen? So we enter another flashback. But I'm getting ahead of myself because this is one of my favorite meet you. It's just ever how he spots her, takes off his glasses and does this double take to her. He looks like exhausted. What a great opening line. Do we know each other that's so believable and the confidence to play this off like did say a lot for the know it could be chasing me the lizard it right there technically is a flashback within a flashback. Yeah. Actually, like a really, really quick one. Yeah, that that counts. But all this stuff, all these shots of them getting to know each other, falling in love, I love just this story that's told with no dialog. They just talk the dialog out. Now we're like that white spotlight on them and everyone's dancing. There's a great shot of them in a car and that's this is really cool. He's learning all these heist tricks from her. I love that show. I always loved her. Looking at him. So. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I can. I love that's her putting everything together. Yeah, it's. That's just so good. Yeah. There's a great little bit what he's like. How did you get past my when Clooney's like, how do you pass my men? And then we see them arguing kind of on the roof and yell at me, missing my fox, Go get someone, the Americans. And so here we go. Yeah, this is a flashback. And then they are going to open the safe or something and see that they have been had by the night. FOX So then we are going to go into the guy's flashback and that's just something that's very difficult to pull off because it's not even Catherine Zeta Jones It's flashback within flashback. Yeah, we completely switch. We're switching to the view of points of view. Exactly. But again, it works. It's like, well, I think is he going? He's making it very clear, like it's not confusing. It shouldn't be. I think if you just like give in to the movie and don't try to track it as it's going, it'll it'll all land in a way that you know is reasonable. Well, even this is to argue to you that this actually still is her point of view. Like she's tracking how that went because she knows that crew. Yes. And yeah, it's so fun to watch her figure it out. She's great. Oh, this is really like killing the scene. Now we're going to be introduced to the night Fox, one of our favorite actors, Vincent Cassel. I love him. And this is great, too, because this is another. Yes. And we're back in that flashback. We're in her flashback. Yes. Yeah. But the style is not the montage that we were just like, Now this is just important information. Like this is plot flash. Yeah, exactly. And it's very rare that we get to see this group be had by someone. So it's a lot of fun to see them being toyed with. You know, one of the reasons Vincent Cassel got this role, Soderbergh saw a little movie called Irreversible. Really Like the minute. I mean, it was only two years earlier. I mean, I think that's fair and a very different type of, Oh my God, I mean, Jesus. Yeah, but he's kind of we talked to this. He's like an animal and irreversible. And here is, you know, playing the night Fox. He definitely has like animalistic characteristics the way he can. His movement is so good that, I mean, the actual literal dance. Yes. But even seeing like him practicing yoga in the beginning, there's another flat out. Here you go. Yeah, right. There we go. The one month ago. Now, this is what I mean when I were in a flashback within a flashback, we have change points of view. Who cares? Yeah. So this works. Yeah. And it's funny because we're like, it's. It's the voiceover of the night fox that connects the two in the night. Fox is always like, one step ahead. It's like, All right, yeah. Look in your desk. And once I. I don't know how many people pick up on this the first time you're watching it, but once you track that look, the only reason that night Fox is doing this is because he's trying to prove to his mentor Lamarck that he is actually the best thief in the world. Yet Danny Ocean is just a big fuck you, that's all. He's like, No, I'm better than you and I, You know, if I could prove that I'm better than you and Benedick kills you all in the process, great. Of course. Also a great bit. Right? In the end, when we see that the night Fox is like the gardener at the Bellagio, you. Yeah. We cut outside of him, and he sees him. Yeah. This is slow delivery that. Oh, it's perfect. All right. And now called. Yeah. Never called it back. That's also great. That, like, she just comes in with this huge flex and whispers one thing and he totally melts, like, what the hell? You know, what was communicated there? And the way like, it's she she's so powerful. And I believe this whole little scene here is going to be one shot. Yeah. Because then she comes right into the look, the way he used reflection to get more depth. Like he does this a lot. We saw this when they were introducing the scenes like the light comes up and Garcia is playing the piano just fucking brilliant. Like that's what you're going to say. Yeah. Now the guys come in so we can get a better picture of them because they're blocking the light. She can bring it out. There it is. She can bring. She had a year. One little sentence, and then she comes up to the glass like, Yeah, what the. Love it. She's a killer. Oh, so good. There he is, getting his nails done. But it's also the kind of No, I think I don't think they know what to do about, like, Dumb and Dumber. No, they're not that bad, But they'd be like, Yeah, they would look at my nails and be like, Son, you you have to stop doing this damage to your nails. Like, how often do you pick them? Like, take it down to the nub, can't help it. And so it would be, it would just go, it'd be silly. It'd be like going to a spa and then going mud wrestling after, you know, they're not getting anything done here, not getting anywhere. Oh, my God. The way the whole pit Zeta Jones chemistry dynamic playing off each other this high, it's And you see who she tracks, Danny And boom, boom, his side. Come on. It's great. It's bad. And the way it was, they were high. Yeah, I know. It's so great. I did three or four years for love of my life. I never, never left my mind. I actually like their next meeting when he goes to get his phone back and he's like, You stole it like you. That tingling, Sanjay, since he hears that none of my business and it's like and, you know, like, she's already done it, too. She walked right in. No, no, not yet. You sure that's where he put it? Yeah. I mean, they show has put it, but I think we're going to maybe I'm wrong. I think we're going to get another shot of it. I don't think we see her swipe it, but I believe we get another shot of it to sell it. Development of that eating always perfect. Okay, there it is. Nan in any able. Yeah. And she knows she knows all the terms to do it. He's really trying to assess like she's going to take me down. Like, what is this. Yeah. Because this is where we're going. Back to a familiar theme that like one of the main points of Ocean's 11 is so Danny can win Tess back. Yeah. And this is kind of the deal here, too. Like, this is why we're in Amsterdam, so he can win her back, and he's got the ace card in the hole, which is that your daddy is my mentor, and you don't know that I know that he's still alive and that I'm going to soon take you to him. Yeah, everything's going to be good. Well, he is, right. Well, he is begging for mercy. It's a little extreme. Got to go watch Heart. And she has all the power and control here, which I love because you don't know, like, we don't know how far she's going to take it. Is she mad at him for running out? So she wants to take him down? Yeah. Does she just want to show that she's a little smarter than him or whatever it is? And I love that he gives that last look, you know? And now we're going to get the it's not only does he find out that the phone is gone and we get that great freeze frame, but he doesn't even tell them until they find out like 45 minutes later that she stole his phone. Yeah. Oh, funny that he never brings it up. He's. He's got to be breath thief. Oh, yeah. But Clooney's in on this bit, too. It's obviously Clooney and Pitt already met with Lamarque. So it's all a lot of this movie. Just a giant bit like the whole stealing of the egg thing. They know they're being watched. They're just like, messing with the night. Fox. Yeah, it's really genius. Do do you think that like, Brad Pitt's outfits when these movies are coming out, they were so flashy and purposely ridiculous, but now they kind of seem I don't know, not to jacket you called it earlier, but they don't seem as like outrageous by today's standards because clothes are just like crazy. Like he's making anything look good. Well, of course, of course. I love the shaved head, too. Great choice. One phone call. Perfect Freeze frame. Boom. It was great. But then he doesn't even tell, like, does it? Well, I mean, it's mirroring the same thing Danny Ocean did in the first one. Yeah, exactly. On. Yep. And they had to figure out looking for the crew. Just a few members of the crew. What a great way to get them out, sport. They lose this luggage. You know, you have to pay attention to the dialog. But that's what everybody's talking about at the train station. He's got water, he's got air. I don't feel that bad for him, but they wear that. You know, they walk out in these football uniforms. It's so I mean, that's just such a cool, like practical trick that the dude's actually in there. Like we. You get in? Yeah, well, this movie's real. Yeah. Everything about it. Yeah. So the movie is documentary, right? It's like he's like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, all right, all right. I got going under the bus and it could come with the plan to, like, let him out. Don't know. On the bus. Under the bus. I love this. Yeah, this is just perfect, because everything that's going on here, it's like what's not being said, and these are a real first hint at Julia Roberts is coming. Yeah. I mean, the whole pit Damon thing. Like you asked me a question. Wait till I can respond. This is totally disconnected for good reason, but it's out of it. It's also funny when they decide, like, to pair up people that we haven't seen paired up for, you know, just two people playing off each other. That's great. You think I'm 50 years old and get it back? Yeah. Human Rusty is not 50 years old. This is. I love how this turns into that. Yeah, Then we know that all of this. But let me ask you something. If it doubles down, it's this 5248. You think a 4852 But you didn't. So really to shove it in there, you should ask me. You got, you got to just do the. Oh perfect. Yeah. Yes. Don't ever love it. Yeah. Just shutting it down right away. It's like the greatest slide ever. So, kids, I want to get like, Well, why? It's not my nature to be mysterious. Just like a great line, I guess I should say. The script was based on It was a totally different script person than the writer George Melfi. I believe his name is. They got a hold of the script and he adapted it to make it turn into like a an Ocean sequel, which is common. They did that with Die Hard With a Vengeance. That was a script called Simon Says. It was just floating around Hollywood, and they turn that into Die Hard with a vengeance. So there's a great commentary on the Ocean's 12 Blu ray with the writer and Soderbergh, which I highly recommend after people listen to this one, to say thank you, to say, you know, that is that's credible. And well, yeah, we didn't say credible was hard to use. We have to use incredible correctly and I get a win. George No fee. My mistake. Melfi is the last name of Lorraine Bracco is character in The Sopranos. What a fail that I did not her performance to great performance is one of Bernie Mac's four days of shooting. Yeah, they you know, for what they had with him they they integrated him in well though it's yeah it's a very well I kind of forget that Saul's been gone, you know, and he's going to come back at such an important time. But I love this little one. One shot reminder that he's still in the game. I love the zoom. Stop bugging me. Oh, man. It's eating away at. Yeah. So letting his crew down. But it's perfect. He just comes back at the absolute best time. There we go. Areas like that and fucks perfect portrayal. A perfect embodiment of who this guy is. Friend. Smile, Tyler. Yeah, The perfect name to like everything about it. It is really perfect casting. Yeah, he does great like little work, but great work in 13 as well. It's just nice to see him pop up to three scenes. I thought we weren't going to mention 13. No, where I went back on that, I was like, Oh, you want that guy? You weren't going to tell me that we were going back. I guess I did. I said it wasn't possible. I said it wasn't possible to not reference the other time. I was I was under the impression let's just not reference eight. We'll let that one stay where it is. Look at all these locations. This is what I miss from blockbuster movies nowadays. There's my rent not see this anymore. It's all just greenscreen shit like they're driving in. It's green screen. Amsterdam in the background. Yeah. Or like in a queen's camp and everything's just greenscreen. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm not. I wasn't going to isolate just that one show. I mean, the Gray man, the go to thing here is what? We're not going to take all these actors to these fancy locations. We can just even if it's a backyard or set this giant green screen, but it doesn't even look that good. I don't know. Whatever. That's it. Honestly, that they're managed with the softest pants anyone could ever wear. Well, that's too low. Or maybe that's too to be your bathrobe guy. No, no, I'm a sweater man. I can't handle that. Sweat my ass off. I can't do robes. I'll do it as a treat for myself If I'm in a hotel, it has them. But otherwise, now and then, it's only like for a couple of minutes. Information. Absolutely. No one wants the answer to. So I always like how he he he knows how good he is and everything is a competition. So like that, he loves that he just got stolen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, wow, that was impressive. I was like, All right, let's let's go. Let's do this. And this is such a good, like, back and forth because Ocean's not going to play ball. And then he goes, What are we stealing? Yeah, he doesn't even care. Yeah. Oh, Danielle. Yeah. Danielle Mm hmm. Okay. That shot this. This is such a So that's just a perfect shot right there. I would argue that. Damn near every shot in this movie is perfect, but yeah, it absolutely is. Ah, that's kind of important here. So this guy talking, we don't hear That's Jerry Weintraub, who in real life was the producer of Ocean's 11, 12 and 13. And he is kind of this character here shooting his mouth off and kind of bragging about how, Yeah, Danny Ocean ripped over, you know, the Bellagio and Terry Benedict. He's the best ever. And this is clearly making the night Fox very jealous. So then we see that character, Weintraub show up as a guest of Pacino's hotel in 13, and he's in on the grift. He's what? He makes all the whales, quote unquote, whales, leave the hotel during that heist. So it's kind of cool to bring him back. But he's the guy responsible for these movies. Old school Hollywood producer, fruit smoothie. I love watching him dance, like when he's practicing the dance. Oh, it's such a cool scene. Well, I mean, even I mean, forget the dancing yet, but there's a cool little montage of him like warming up and practicing on his, you know, little veranda there. I believe with the end of the movie, we call back to this shot doing Will we go back here? Yeah, when Julia Roberts is back here with him. Yeah. So they'll have their their final meeting right out here, their last little standoff on this amazing location, none of which is green Screens gotten out again. Oh, yeah. Now he's got you. Yeah, but it's all like, you know, the night Fox thinks he's in control, But right here, the grift is already on. Like they. They already know what the whole deal is. And if they're going to get caught, they can get taken out. Like it's all. It's all good. Black and white. Little color's great. I think one of the more confusing bits of like, in terms that I remember, I had a difficult time the first time I saw it, because I was like, Wait a second, they didn't need to do any of this. But that's partially the point. Yeah, that's it. Well, I mean, it helps them. They do get to best the night. Fox Yeah. And you know, that's part of the deal. And moreover, Rusty gets to win her back. That's it all is moving toward that. But you know, this one is not about making money. That's what's so cool. Ocean's 11 is about these guys getting rich. Yep. This one is about these guys fighting for their lives. Like they have to do a heist so that they can live. And then 13 is all about how can we all come together to yeah, fuck over Al Pacino which is what it it's not about getting rich That's what makes them great. This I mean talk about this setting. This is like a real setting. This is not a set at all. Really looked like this. It's just so cool. It's underground, like layer of all the toys. It's great. It goes, Tell him I said, He dresses like a gigolo. But, you know, part of her downfall is that she is not like an above board detective because she signs this form illegally, which takes her down. She stole Rusty Stone. Can't do any of this stuff. You know, you got to follow procedure. So she has a little a thief in her as well, you know? Oh, yeah. A little sidestep or backslide or backslide or a. Oh, I'll never be a backslide. Backslide. Eddie Izzard, So great in these movies. Another fun transition that's this like a freeze frame. We're just hearing cars honking and then we punch, right? Yeah, yeah. He's. He's so good. Yeah. I mean, he thinks because he, he didn't edit these but he has a hand in like all the title cards, all the font choices. He thinks very, very hard about that stuff. Every transition, everything is thought out. Yeah. And he's right next to him. Right next to her. Yeah. That's the form that they keep referencing that she's going to forge. There's nothing back there but forged 1077 So it says to now do you think that's a little bit of a stretch. What the thing was there the egg was. Yeah, sure. I mean yeah, yeah. And that she figures it all out and puts it all together. Yeah. There are, there are stretches in line. Oh my God. Like that is one where I'll be like it's just cute but because of she is who she is and she knows what she knows and she's very smart. You can, you can, you can ascertain for yourself that like, ah, I bet you they're going to go after this thing. Yeah, That's so great out here. This is a suitcase that was jumping on the bed. It's got to stretch it out. Yeah. Looks like a little kid. Robert Ryan. Danny Ocean. Interesting. What do you mean? She. She refers to. It's like it says Danny Ocean is friends. Oh, yeah. Robert Ryan. Rusty Ryan. Yeah. I think, you know, that's obviously the most important man in that group to her. But I do think he's the most important character in this particular movie. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's I think it's one of the only times you would ever refer to Ryan as the group. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Because it's not, you know, Rusty 12, right? Well, yeah, exactly. Or Ryan 12. It doesn't work now. It doesn't. Oceanus Oceans is a great, great in here's the infamous form that this guy's refusing to sign because last time he did four screwed him over. Even in voiceover, he, his mouth is full of food. Yeah. This is a great foreshadowing of a just a tremendous scene that we're going to need to see. So much fun and a great homage to the great Entrapment with Kat. And I'm sure they were absolutely paying homage to that great film. That's the entire reason that they did that. That is, of course, you know, with lasers. It is. I mean, there's got a love lasers. Lasers are always a fun time. Case in the joint out. I love injuries. Which one? Case in the joint. Yeah. This is really cool. It's a really fun way into the scene that every time we punch, every time we switch a shot, we're getting wider and wider out of this model. But the fact that we like started in the models so close and then we're going to get wider, wider till we get really wide, that's just pure. Soderbergh Mm hmm. I love this. Timing it all out with the snaps. Another thing that's brilliant about these movies that were brilliant is that they often they always explain the heist to us before we see it and like how they're going to do it. And of course, there are some, you know, bumps in the road that messes message. Some of it's kind of played for humor sometimes, but they're really like doing their best to tell us what they're going to do and then they do it. It's just it's crazy how much they pull it off. I love how that time stamp it, too. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. To the minute. This is great, We all get arrested. Yeah. So now, did they now do they all know that they're like, is the arrest is or is not part of the plan? Yeah, I believe everything is to some degree part of the plan because they're being surveillance, right. That everything in that warehouse, they're being watched by the night fox so he and then they know that as well. So I think this is all just a ruse like it's all one giant elaborate It's all one. So the whole entire plan for everyone to get arrested. Yeah. Just and it's all to, you know, throw the night fox off even more because again, they have this thing in the back of their they have this Lamarque card. They know who the marquee is they have the in with Lamarque. And this all that conversation happened before the events of this movie. The the only time I ever I ever questioned the situation is when they all get arrested and like Damon's leading the leading the the troop and they talk about what are we going to do now and all this and that. But is that also because they're getting surveillance? It could be, yeah. Yeah. I just I think they're all kind of in on. No one looks nervous that they've been arrested by like these. You know, they're in a foreign country. There is no the Damon's mom is going to come in and say, Yeah, and that's just kind of how it's going to get worked out and paid off. Hurley It goes. You, I love this. So Clooney is like, So that means yep. So Damon gets all pissed to, uh. Well, yeah, I love this scene when he goes, Look how pissed David is. I mean, come on now. Oh, this is just so great. He's already in there. And then she, you know, senses that someone's in the room, gets the gun out like this costume design, I believe the costume designer. This movie won Oscars for Marie Antoinette and the Grand Budapest Hotel and Wrath. I don't believe it. No, I could look her up, but it's not Wrath. It's not. It's just that you always kind of just go to In Wrath. Well, yeah, it's not a never bad guess. She's the girlfriend of all time, you know, like Mark Bridges, too. It's A good dude. Phantom thread met him a few times. Dress me for the gal. Melina Carneiro is the costume designer, very famous in this profession. But I love this this interaction so much. Kind of my phone. No, was a little bit. I love the long the kind of patient delivery of Ock that he has to her like he could he needs to be saying more but he just doesn't back to that economy of dialog of course more food yeah yeah grittier yeah yeah yeah Which is usually like explain yourself a little more not. Yeah, I'm good. We got it. That's the one she's referencing in the very beginning of the movie. Yeah. Made her jump out the window. Ran away? Yeah. God, I love. This is so soulful. Mm hmm. There's. I mean, yeah. You really feel that they intensely loved one another for a while ago, and it's like, how do we both play this? Like we're on opposite sides of the law? There's all that stuff with it, but it just goes so much deeper. Yeah. Like that dialog that they had, like, this is great because they're talking. She's like, someone stole a bunch of paintings from like Lake Como and that's what they just did. Yeah. And he's like, Any leads? Ana That's perfect. I mean, anytime he says, like, any leads, like that's basically him being like, Did you know that? We did exactly, exactly that. So he gives that little sly smile like, Oh, that's interesting. That was us. And there she goes, the thief's daughter forging the important document which will lead to a downfall. How honest of a detective were you? Which she's like one of those silly kind of MacGuffin things, just like a forging. Like we don't know what the hell form is. You know, all this stuff. He's got to follow it. It all works for me, you know what I mean? To me, to. To. But it's. I mean, you know, this movie was the people just did not know how to react to this when it came out. You know, Ocean's was a huge smash. And I'm just bringing up all the things I like about this over and over because it's, you know, a number of them were things people didn't like about it. Yeah. And I think that's like, I'm definitely going to address some of the ones I'll look at. That's perfect. Yeah. Just as we can kind of just like, run through them. Yeah. Because I understand, like, this is the design of this is to kind of be the total antithesis of Ocean's 11. And that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. And I understand just worked for me. Yeah. Just the difference to his hair in those glasses makes all the difference. I'm you personally. I love the French accent. Yeah, he's great. Here's a little swap. Oh, I love how there was, like, a quick cut. Yeah, a quick cutaway when she too walked across frame. Good cut. We're, like, slowly but quickly approaching the big moment. The thing the Julia Roberts, you know, which we're going have a lot to say. Oh, so good. It is good. It's like the highlight of the movie and one of the it's the biggest swing of Soderbergh's career. It's one of the reasons I appreciate it so much. It does in 12. Oh, boy. Yeah. So they're like, they're just aware of all this that they're going to get caught, like doing this stuff that we're going to be on camera at the night, Vox's place. But it's all just this grand set up. I think that that was definitely lost on me. The first time I said, Yeah, this is a great bit. And I think I think it was me too, because I was like, Wait a second. Like it takes a few viewings to kind of put it all together. This is hilarious because obviously it's a night fox like, you know, calling him. I mean, I just love this. How many surprises you have? Five years. What are you doing, 6 a.m.? Dev Time for? Oh, it makes you wonder. Maybe I missed it because I don't. I didn't remember Clooney checking his watch, so it leads me to believe that did like the night Fox adjusted at some point I wonder. Yeah. Oh he's been through who much and this is great just watching Happy Days. And now here's a fun example of Pitt like getting a little personal talk about his personal life and included you know, nor is it because he's so tired or out of it. Oh, he's just mean, mean spirited. Yeah, that is a mean prank. It's too good once it's 530. Morning J. His fate. What are you doing? Line doesn't even get in the glass. That had to be the one. The huge one on his arm just goes right into happy days. Great. David Holmes music. David Holmes. Very important to the Ocean's franchise. There are a few different go tos that he'll use for music. Cliff Martinez is a big one for Soderbergh, Big one. David Holmes is a huge one. Now. I think his music is such an integral, integral part of these movies like it really are this very go the working out, the dancing, the prepping. Very impressive. Yeah, he's sort of flexible. Just makes it look easy. Yeah, I love this music. I remember buying this score on CD. I didn't have Ocean's 11, but I had Ocean's 12 play the Shell time. Security is too hot. Take a dip out, man. Oh, by the way, total tangent. Yes, but we were watching Collateral the other day. We were this amazing soundtrack. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I love all those songs. Yeah. Michael Mann, How to score his movies with, you know, original score the songs. Yeah, the Paul Oakenfold song. That's during the whole entire, like, big club scene, Right? Right. Yeah. Hey, man anyways, back to the movie, The Collateral. Great film. Held up about the wheelchair. This. It's so I love watching them all, like, fall out of line one on one. Like, Oh, shit, we've been had. We can't make it to these detectors. I mean, fun right here. Just to see them all getting ABD Yeah, and get taken down. And we're, we are watching like, wait, wait. And then the few people who escape come on with this. Well, a plan that I've never really seen in movies, I guess I'm glad we're watching it this way too, because this is something that like now it makes complete sense. But I had always been under the impression that this was not part of the plan. It's all part of the plan. I mean, they they didn't like, hire these guys to arrest them, but they are waiting to, get arrested. They're waiting. It's an inevitable conclusion. Yeah. Yeah. And and I suppose the reason why it always confused me and I love to watch is the scene approaches, but because of the ones that. That remain. Yeah. Because, because these are ones that haven't been made. Right. Exactly. It's like Cheadle Damon maybe there's one other one but that yeah there's very few that get of you know escape here now now this is all planned to like the ones who are supposed to escape were like I guess that's my biggest question is is like which ones that they weren't going to get arrested and which ones did. Maybe, maybe that wasn't part of the plan, but they just knew, like, whoever doesn't, this is what we had because that's why he's smiling, right? This is all part of the plan. Like I get. It's all good. I'm not nervous. That's why no one's nervous when they go to this jail. But yeah, like, these are the details that I can't I can't fill in. It's like, did they know was going to get taken? And I don't know, but they have to pull off this whole Faberge egg thing because they all have to get captured. Catherine Zeta Jones, They're all down. And it does make sense because Casi Zito and Damon were the ones working the egg. Exactly. Exactly. So you see, they're he's surveilling it and then we're like, oh, my God, they've been watched. They've been played this whole time. Yeah, that's right. Seconds The other one who got out tries to be Danny. I made you Danny. Yeah, I guess I always sort of know that it works, though, because I always assumed that this was now that I'm, like, watching, like. Like that. I always thought this was then being like, Oh, God, what do we do know? They know they're being surveilled, so they know that everything they're saying right now is being viewed by the night. FOX This is all like a ruse. Now. Now, did they tell test you ahead of time? No, no, they didn't tell her that this was going to have to happen. Can't train that quickly. But again, using all these like grifter terms, you know, now the camera starts to move when an idea has some direction. Look, you Yeah. Because all of this is code to sort of being surveillance like everything they were saying before to let's do one of these and do one of these. Yeah. It's also great in the end. How much like indignation Vincent Cassel has against Tess. He's like, Oh and by the way, you look nothing like her. Yeah, I love that. Hmm. I mean, I will. It's genuinely this is 2004 and it's one of the most memorable moments I've had in a movie theater when this guy in this hotel clerk just exhales and goes, Julia Roberts is coming to the collective gasp like that. People didn't know what. They didn't know what was going on. So the plan was always to bring her in. Yeah, but this is the only way that they could execute it, right? Because she needed to be in prison. Yeah, exactly. Your line is to make this call for her to come out. Yeah, well, it's. You started out, you studied art. There's no downside. Okay. Yeah. So this is all part of the plan. Like they already booked all of this? Yeah. To have arranged. And she's. There's no way she could. No, because Danny's in jail. Yeah. She's got to come get her. Get her man. Get her husband. She's not happy about it. Obviously, this whole thing in the limo is just. Oh, my God, it's great. In the way they're constantly getting. Julia Roberts is like, credits wrong, like for ratings of, you know, she goes, she wasn't in four Weddings and I was in in four weeks. I yeah, yeah. Oh, oh my. So I want to start off a little now just to give a little context that this is in terms of cinema history, this is not unheard of. Like in an actor, really famous person referencing themselves. I think this is the most blatant example of it I've ever seen. But real quick, in His Girl Friday, this is an example Soderbergh has cited. There's an early scene in the movie in which Cary Grant is trying to describe what a character in the movie, a character named Bruce looks like, and he's trying to describe this to another person. And he kind of Cary Grant stumbles and he goes, Oh, he looks like the fellow in the movies, Ralph Bellamy. And the joke there is that that actor playing Bruce is actually Ralph Ralph Bellamy. So he's like calling that actor by his name as a way to describe him. So that's a really, really early example. It's a deep cut for sure. I think even a more fun and convoluted, convoluted example. This is the freshman from 1990 directed by Andrew, and this is where Matthew Broderick is playing a New York film student, and he meets an old famous gangster, Carmine, who's played by Marlon Brando in the movie. Now, what we learned is that in the world of this movie, the freshman Carmine Sabatini was the real life inspiration for Vito Corleone in The Godfather, which is played by Marlon Brando. So there's all this like menace stuff going back and forth and that's all. I mean, to explain, it doesn't make sense. I don't know. I think it is a it's just a massive, massive swing in Ocean's 12. And I think it totally I think it's some of the best acting Julia Roberts has done. And I'm not kidding. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, it really is in the history of her here. You got to smile. You got to smile. I think her of Bruce Willis in this scene is just some of some of her best acting because she's playing this test woman having to play this famous person when they see Bruce, they, like, react like they're actually seeing the guy from die Hard, you know? Yeah, great. Sneezing all awkwardly intact, your fake baby. And this is so like, Oh my God, that's brilliant. That and everything all the terms are going to use here. It's real to life. So when he's referencing Bruce Willis is referencing his daughter like that's his daughter's real name, all the assistants and publicists and agents they use for Julia Roberts, like, Oh, you fired. And that's all her real stuff. Like, it's so inside baseball, so lived in, and it must have been a hell of a lot of fun for famous people to, like, make fun of this aspect of the business, you know, the agents, the publicists. Damon's great here, Glenn Snark. Well, we're looking to come off this baby thing really strong, too. This is one of my favorite moments, this reaction when Bruce just storms in, Julie screams and Damon, it's like, Whoa, whoa, The mean like mortally Damon's outfit is also just, like, hilarious. It's so, like, subdued Hollywood publicist cleanse. That's our time frame, right then. So forget the accent. Bruce Room service. I know it. Her shock when that when it's so good. Damon's too. Oh, it's so believable. I love you. That's the best in Bruce. God, we love Bruce. I mean, he's just so. He plays this so perfectly. Danny That's her real life husband's name. Yeah. Glenn's That cool? Well, there is an absolute. There's a great touch coming up here. When Damon keeps his hand on Bruce, and Bruce looks at it like that is such a good thing to do. Like, Hey, man, complete your hands on me. Yeah, Yeah. A story for the concert is for, you know. Yeah. It's like you should be fine. I'm just studying this, like dweeby. Yeah. And now I just never got to the Oscars. No, he doesn't know what you're talking about. And now, I mean, we're going to go an extra layer on, like, an extra layer under in which Tess is going to be talking to Julia Roberts on the phone, and it's just, Oh, I just love all of it. But what makes it work is all of their their conviction. The conviction, Yeah. All the actors. And Bruce is playing it so straight. Yeah. And it's great because it's like this is the swerve for them to get right. No one expected this one. Yeah, this was unplanned. So this is genuine. Like panic and my God, she's Julia SpongeBob. And then we get Carl Reiner just clapping back into frame. I love it. Zip it in zipper. This is great. And Bruce Willis, he says, done because I'm Bruce Willis. Oh, it's so good that he knows everything. Yeah, exactly. It's like their best actor ever. Like your nan here this year. That second vacation watch. And Bruce kind of put it together. Very good acting snack bar sticks. Oh, that's great. Five Dawn. Then when she's signing it, you know, put your left hand it. She is It's not this great. Why would I say that? It's like, come on, what is it then? This is so great. Everyone coming up to a I figured out the Sixth Sense. Everyone figured out why to make 650 million at the box office. It's so good. Amazing, right? Barry? We're practically jogging, waiting for the egg swap. Yeah. I mean, there's still some things that need to fall into place here. Like, everyone needs to get khaki brought in, know, so there's. But no one really looks like tear wibbly nervous. You know, they're in like a jail, so they're still being watched. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they have to play. It can't be like I just a matter of time till we get out of here. I love this. Just getting everybody. Yeah. He's really good about doing this when they're all. It's like when they're all leaving this jail. He'll do a really intense zoom in of all of them. Mm hmm. You got you. That's great. Now, there's six of something to love it again. We're just so in. Oh, my God. It was always fun to watch someone who thinks they're like they have it one. Yeah, And then she gets so defeated. It's always a good time. That classic. Thank you, Bruce. Will. Thank you. Museum or code for. I love watching Bruce slowly figure it out to nuts. Okay We're not stopping. Don't stop. It was great. Okay? We're not stopping. Oh, God. And perfect little kicker at the scene. Is Bruce trying to get a little flirty with Catherine? Yeah. Yeah. He was often friend movie. I'm sure Bruce figured it out. It's been grift. Is there any kind of clowns Can't sleep? Is there any kind of deep cut reference? I don't think so. I don't think. You know, there has to be something. Yeah, it might have. Might have made sense to someone at some point. But I love that clowns. Can't sleep. I don't think I've ever met Bruce sing with that. Oh, that's great. Julie Roberts was actually pregnant when they were filming this, so it's kind of funny to see them have to turn that in to part of this bit. Like the TSA taping pregnant. I just I think she's great in the way she plays all of this. That whole sequence you just said, it's one of my favorites and this is perfect. So how'd it go? And because they're still being surveillance. Now we're just going to get an amazing heat check of Cherry Jones showing up and just completely stealing the sequence. We have no idea who she is. We. I mean, the first time I saw this, I'm like, Whoa, I really think they're going down tune the gum picks out lines. It's just it's one of the great, like, audience tricks that they put on. It's like a great audience. Colin Not knowing who this is. Yeah, and she plays it so perfectly. Oh, I love Cherry Jones. I've always loved her role and got very confident. Oh, yeah, I guess that's something I've never particularly noticed. Thank you for wearing that out. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Takes it time. Oh, that one. And then, you know, I mean, they all know who she is. Yeah. And then, of course, Linus obviously knows who she is and the no eye contact. And, you know, you really for a second, we kind of think when he goes way to her, we kind of think like he could dine them out. Maybe like maybe he doesn't have the stomach for this and start with that one looks so nervous in the way that she right as she's about to leave, you know, Linus forgets his name. This is probably this is one of the greatest tricks against the audience. And I've no problem with it. And somehow he manages to do it again. In 13, Winstead shows up and saves the day, pulls it off twice. Yeah, because he brings them up in the very beginning. His first thing is he didn't tell my dad about this, did you? Well, I mean, in even in Ocean's 11, he's like, he goes, you know, you're so and so speaks very highly of you. And goes, Yeah, fathers are like that. Yeah. So you get to like, his dad's in the business. I mean, he just plays it so well, so low. I still think it's hilarious that he asks for a smaller role and. Yeah, cause he was so exhausted today. I there are rumors that they were, like, trying to figure out maybe how to do that. And I just loved that it landed on this. Like, we're actually going to give you a little more to do and you're kind of going to be like the lead. The second lead. I love that for getting his name Oof! L.A. And then yeah, see, I really believe him here. And then he's so tonally polar opposite different where we are with him. The car, you know You told Dad. Yeah. Some people might think 11 zoom ins back to back would get a little tiresome, but not for me. He actually might be like, No, I love it. Yeah. Picking him up at different places. I don't know. It just works. Also, respondent playing their parts. That's part of the joy. These movies. It's like watching it. Like, I can't take all these guys down. Like, how are they going to get out of this? And you know, the people who made it are smarter than we are and they've been tricking us the whole time. Soderbergh often says it for when it's cutting together, like quick montages like this. If something isn't working, first thing he'll do is take out all the sound. Just put a little music over it. I think that can be really effective. He does that in almost all of his movies, takes out all the dialog, all the sound. Well, it's the biggest it's the biggest way to make something work is if you can just follow it or if it even if it's not something that's plot driven, if it just looks good. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Now, cut. I love this. Slide the cuts right off, and then I remember figuring this out in the theater, and, like, it was like, Wait, huh? Like, that's even enough of a reveal. But then, yeah, yeah. No. Expecting that to it. You don't know who she is until he says you told the head. Your father's too. Yeah. You will go. We were on vacation. Oh. Oh, that's great. And now the fun music starts up again. It's like now we're all good people. Like, we were just. It was like, this is all part of the grift. Every time with him, it's like, Great, cut. Yeah. And they don't actually get, like, a lot of time together in the first and Ocean's 11 Anderson Show by the time they have the other is really, really believable. You just believe that, Oh, this whole dynamic. Yeah she plays it. It's great. That's they have such great chemistry. Yeah they really do love each other so well. Yeah, I'm getting a ticket to that Ticket to paradise. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Let's go. And everyone's going to branch out. Who do you follow? Ryan's car. And just like Ocean's 11, it's like the kind of day New Mountain here is all about. The main guy getting his woman back. That's kind of. It reveals to us that this has been the point. Well, yeah, Yeah. I mean, women matter more than money. Sure. Yes. I mean, that's that is a big part of the end of these movies in the way he just kind of it's one little sentence, like there's nothing back there but a forged 1077. Mm. Because I've known all along. Mm. You really see her like you know, tugging at that. There's a thing in there like I'm kind of, I'm into being a detective, but I'm also a little dirty, so. Mm. On mine. Kind of shacking up with Ryan here. Robert Yeah, It's a lot to take to say. I love that one. There's one of our themes. I love how Soderbergh constantly keeps a scene like that where it's basically like so much and it keeps it so far away from Yes, yeah. Taking all the information. Anyone else would cut into close ups to them back during that. It's like a huge go in for that closeup moment of there's nothing back there but forged in 77 and they smile and now you just don't need that. That's what this is for. Here's a great callback. This guy is the one who's pretending to beat up. Yeah. Danny. Sorry Danny. He gets it. Little smile on Frank's face. But I love that we still have. You know, the movie has loose ends, and it's. It's going to tidy them up in a way. Like we saw some pretty exhilarating sequences, like the laser dance sequence. It's like, awesome, great shot. Yeah, I love it. And this is just such a good gotcha moment. The whole way they interact with him. It's such a cool car. Yeah, very. This is one of those things where they to they did not have a lot of time to get this color every night because it's magic hour. When you're shooting on film, you're only going to be able to capture that color for like 25, 30 minutes. So this is you know, I don't I don't think they were probably able to get this in one night. It's something that you're coming back to after an idea to capture it. But it really plays because this blue in the sky is just remarkable. It's French. Hello. He's French. He thinks he's one. I mean, the yellow bouncing off him and in the blue in the back, just it's great. And it's all you got to do. Yeah, they because you're the best can't help himself. He goes, Yeah, okay. Yeah. Still thinks he's got him. Still thinks he's going to be dead soon, you know, coming up with this whole dance sequence. This was actually he actually did all this dancing like the lasers were CGI. They were later, but he actually did all this stuff. There's like, I think there's a flip he does at the end or something that I know not to flip with him, too. It's just crazy. It's crazy that he practiced So this is great. A lot of guys in my team that see it, of course there are good. I'll give you $1,000,000 field speak for, but your in my recutting that's you and you're like, we're wrapping up the movie and then we just stop for like three and a half 4 minutes. See this awesome sequence? David Holmes, the composer, hated this piece of music. He hated composing it, really scoring it. And Soderbergh was like, It's not what you like, man. It's what the night Fox would listen to. Like, what kind of music is he listening to as he's dancing? Because I think this track, like, fits perfectly. Oh, this is a slap. Yeah, No it's so great. Banger reasons about that dance CD. This is just so fun to watch. Like does he clear every laser? I don't give a shit. Well, I mean, the thing is, is like, Yeah, I mean, what with this depth, though, it's hard to actually tell, right? But it's this fun. They could have done a better job maybe with the lasers because these keys come through some of these right here. It does kind of. Yeah, it does kind of seem like it. It's not like that couldn't have been so hard. I mean, maybe 24. I mean, they didn't have much of like a CGI laser shows back in the nineties. I was in school where, you know. Yeah. But people aren't trying to avoid those lasers. Those are real lasers. These are fake lasers. And I think I think, I think, I think, I think well, the only qualm you have is that they could have done better with the lasers and Ocean's 12. It's pretty, pretty good. It's a pretty good movie. Yeah, probably. That's exactly it. That was probably my biggest qualm with the whole movie. And to do this front flip here right in front of the camera, he, like, jumped off a box spring, but he just landed like right in front of the camera. It's crazy. Very agile. This is great. Shawn Michaels. Very. Shawn Michaels. Look at that little flip. I love this little like tap he does as he walks off that. I did it the other day and I almost rolled my ankle. Well, you got to stretch before he does, right? You're right. You're right. It's very important. You are the best. That's all you wanted. And watching him put it together. But that weight, that means you met with Mark and white suit. That's perfect. Yeah. This is great. Eventually. Eventually, the way you walk and the dress. You know, anything like that. I love that. Oh, yeah. And with him not saying anything and him putting it together in the way that he, like, knows the code at the end, it's just in there like, well, honestly, how do you know that? Yep. They did a perfect little Soderbergh montage here, but boom, boom, boom. Great. Albert Finney call back you know, was in Erin Brockovich got nominated for the Oscar in 2000 directed by Soderbergh. So it's great to see working together again. Now do you have a problem that that this this of such an important piece of the whole entire heist was saved for this. Well that yeah, that's a really fair question because think what people you know if you're paying attention are putting it together like we the audience have basically been screwed with for like the past hour. Yeah. And that can piss a lot of people off that we have been very intentionally tricked. And I do think a lot of people have a problem with that. I think a lot of people are like, Oh, that whole thing. You you told I was in on this grift with you. I wasn't. You were lying to me too. And I actually don't have a problem. I love it. And I think that's what I was trying to do in this commentary was along the way. Every time I felt like, okay, this is a part. Where is the audience? Yeah, I'm questioning this, right? Like, but yeah, no, I agree because it's the style of the whole entire thing. You're going to switch to color here in camera. It's great shot. It's like a 12, 12 millimeters lens. So there's so far back, it's why it's a little like curved on the edge of the screen. Great switch to hyper color because this is the only time in any of the Ocean's movies and where they really take us not for granted, but it took us for like a ride. Yes, yes. Yeah, it's the whole movie. You're watching it just like Ocean's 11. You think like I'm in with them, like I'm involved. I'm doing this with them. And then you learn later that basically the back half of this movie, the stealing of the egg, the planning of stealing the egg has all been an elaborate con. Yes. And we now we're realizing shit. We've actually been in the point of view of like the night fox the whole time. Yeah, that's all I can say to Jones point of view because they Yeah, that's, they were trying to trick. That's what we figure out shit. We, we actually haven't been in Rusty's point of view because this is the. Oh yeah. No that's it, that's it. Because this is an example of where the ocean's 12 tricks us as opposed to tricks like into level 13. Yeah. Yeah. They're tricking the characters in the movie in here. I love that The Yankees versus Boston. It's so, so simple. Bag swap that's included he gets beat to sticking up but yes I think a lot of I don't think people a lot of audience is like being in on the joke They'll go with it but then some people could get to this sequence and be like, Oh, so that was all just bullshit. Like, what was the point of this? Of watching it? And I don't know. I like being I don't want that to happen with every movie, but I really like the way they pulled it off here. And to me, this is why 12 lends itself the most to repeat viewings. Because you can go and I can't even promise you that everything tracks like all the title Cards six weeks ago, three days ago. Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure the mass of it adds up. I've never studied it like that closely, but I'm sure it all does perfectly in back on him. But the way he knows this number before they do, you know, they're about to read it to him. He like finishes it That's the the codes to get in. It's like how does he know that they're generally impressed. Yeah. I think one story is enough for the green line. Yeah. Yeah. You've been had. Sorry Night Fox wasn't your show. It's kind of the love theme that was around for when just reminds me in the music that was around when like Rusty was watching watching her at the funeral and stuff. I love this kind of music. Perfect for the setting to Thriller. Looks like they shot it on location. There's no fucking green screen out there. Hence the wide, wide, wide look beautiful. So then the the issue a lot of people ran into, particularly when the movie first came out. It's like the reveal is already happened that we've been duped. Yeah. So then, like, why the hell do I need this tact on Lamar? It's actually really your dad thing. That's. That can be. The trouble is, like big swing movies when you lose people. Yeah. Not going to care about all this shit after. And it just might be easier for them to, like, make fun of it. Not for me. I think this is a great reveal that she finds out that the most famous and accomplished thief in the world is indeed her dad in this red pants. That's a statement. I mean, think about what she's going through. She thought he died when she was nine. Her red dress with his red pants. It's great. That was going to say, biding his time. That's not really a good reason, though, You know, I mean, doesn't change the fact that you've been gone for that long. Well, I mean, you know, when we listen, it was like the mom said, if you ever go near her again, I'll dime you out. So you have to, like, go away and the mom is just out. So that's presumably the only reason he's felt he can, like, get back into her life, It's all said and it all ends to me. And that's like one of the few emotional moments we get from Rusty Ryan and the whole series. Beautiful, Beautiful shot. It's is great. Tell me it's good. Ellie Gold, You don't want any of this issue, girls. Just you really so perfect. That gardener in the back. You know, I love this subtle push it on him. But this you miss. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Then it really pays off in 13. This is great. Yeah, I. I mean, I love this end sequence so much, and I love that It's like you're bringing them all in. The only thing Soderbergh dictated is he picked the order in which the people come in. But other than that, it's like they're coming in and he's just shooting it, you know, shooting the stuff. And then they ended the scene. The scene was wrapped all the actors left. And then for his end credits sequence, he just went around the room kind of getting these still shots of, you know, poker chips, alcohol and glasses and totally works that pit coming in. Well, actually, it said it Jones who comes in first and then the collective pause is like crate and pit literally slides in Oh my hello. Hey great little delay there. And she really Catherine Zeta-Jones really fell out of her chair. So that's. Oh, really? Yes, That's great. That that's what they included that she's such a good way to end the happy moment. It's really hard to top like the Bellagio Clair de Lune thing, you know, number one. And then from 11. And then to go to this, which has way more energy and you like playing poker? Yeah, I mean, playing playing with, like, people who really know how to play with professionals is tough because is a different level of, like, seriousness. But just playing to play and like, have a little fun. It's such a good frame to end on and then boom, you don't expect it like, Oh, that's the end. And I love these just like a collection of nice still shots. So Jerry Weintraub, that was the guy on the boat that I was referencing. And these are great little inserts right here. Yeah, it's for Peter Andrews. Steven Soderbergh there. Yeah. I mean, just going around the room and not touching anything like everyone already left. And we're just going to pick up a few few shots here and it totally works. Oh, I was there always. These are always fun. That was a lot of fun. I mean, got Ocean's 12, Ocean's 12, Baby. I hope people are listening to this or they watch along with us. You know, there's some people never really if this didn't work for you, the movie, we've encouraged you to give it a second chance because we both really love it. Obviously. Yeah. You just got Yeah, you just got to have fun with it. Yeah. And just trust it, too, because this is the one where, like, Soderbergh is really just like, doing his thing with it. It is by far the most Soderbergh of the three, no question. And like we always say with directors like this, they're never going to let you down. You just gotta you just kind of got to just give a little bit into what they're Yeah, yeah, give a little and then understand that's he always ends up with these Ocean's movies introducing That was funny introducing Tess as Julia Roberts. Yeah. Yeah. Because in Ocean's 11 it's introducing Julia Roberts as Tess. Oh, that was great. Well, any final thoughts? Anything you want to say to the masses? No. That's as always. We really appreciate you. If you had a chance to, watch along with us. You know, when we recorded this, it was on Netflix. That means a great deal to us. It's a lot of fun. We also hope that these play well with, you know, if you're just listening to us. But I think it's really cool that the only reason we started doing these commentaries is because our dedicated listeners had interest in it. And that's what we went with. And it's been a lot of fun to just randomly pick the ones we pick. Listen, we're people's people, you know, We know what we want and we want to do what makes you happy. We're part for the people. Yeah, that's why we just did a commentary on Ocean's 12, the least popular of the Ocean's franchise. So maybe not of the, you know, the core three. That was a lot of fun. That's at it signing off. Mhm. All right. Thanks for listening and happy watching. Happy listening and well I know that to a bun bun. Oh God. Hey, it's Alex. Back in real time solo. See what I mean? Basically, when that Faberge egg is introduced, the movie is deliberately messing with us by not revealing that the group knows they are being watched by the night Fox Vincent Cassel, the night foxes mentor to lure blabbed that Danny Ocean and his crew are the best thieves alive. This pisses fox off, so he breaks a cardinal rule in the world of thievery and that is that he dimes out all of the Ocean's 11 crew to Terry Benedict, a fellow thief should never reveal the names of thieves to a mark. Big. No, no, Big, no, no. So because Teller blabbed, he feels bad and he agrees to help Danny, Rusty and the whole crew to one screw over night Fox with a very elaborate long con scheme involving a Faberge egg to pay Terry Benedict back in Fool three Help Rusty and Isabel get back together and for help to lure reunite with his estranged daughter Isabel, played by Catherine Zeta Jones. Everything with the Faberge egg is bullshit. Danny Ocean and his team, they all know this too. Lord knows this. But the night Fox and we the audience, do not. I did not put all of this together the first time I watched this movie. But then when I went back and kept investigating it, I was like, Damn, this thing is way twisted than I thought it was going to be. This is this is something. So for that reason, it's one of my favorite ones to go back and rewatch, because when that egg is introduced, that's when you start notice all like the sly smiles and back and forth. It's it's really what isn't being said there. And I love that. I love that. Thank you all again for listening. We have some stuff coming up. We try to keep it light. Gremlins two, Ocean's 12. Our next few episodes are humor based. The next one, odds tease it. Now you got to jump all the way back to episode 42, the scariest movies we've ever seen. Following that same style for our next episode, we are simply going to talk about the funniest movies we have ever seen. It's going to be a lot of fun. Thanks again for listening and happy watching. Hey everyone. Thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex Withrow dot com. Nicolas Dose Dot.com is where you can find all of Nick's film work. Send us mailbag questions at what are you watching podcast at gmail.com or us on Twitter, Instagram and letterboxd at WUKY w underscore podcast. Next time we are ready to laugh, we discuss the funniest movies we have ever seen. We're going to split into a few categories. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be funny. 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