94: Back to the Future Trilogy (1985-1990)

Special guest, Dan Bracey, is back to discuss his favorite film of all time, “Back to the Future.” As Alex, Nick, and Dan dive into each film in the “Back to the Future” trilogy, topics include Dan’s obsession with Crispin Glover, Thomas F. Wilson’s role(s), Marty/Doc chemistry, time travel, sticking up for “Part III,” watching the trilogy on edibles, and much more.
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Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex. We're throwing. I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How are you doing there? Match, match, match, match. Dan who plays Match? Billy Zane. Thank you. Dan Billy Zane, one of your favorite actors this was his first credited screen performance yet 171. After that, according to IMDB, 72 root roles. That's no joke. He's he's been working the match. I didn't know if you would know who match. He did. I had no idea. And I feel like I'm pretty well informed with these movies. So damn. But I'll take that. All right. And I will preface and continue to say, as always, I am excited to be here, very excited for this one. We do have Danbury back in studio. This one's very deliberately like Babylon. You wanted to call and have your cameo performed, your Tobey Maguire cameo on The Babylon Pod. You did great. You were there for us with Scream six. We got to see it in the theater. We had a shitload of fun. This is a little bit different. This is like when we had my dad on for a place in the sun. Cause I don't want to speak for you, but you fucking love the Back to the Future movies. And I would even argue, I would say that you know more about these movies than I do. And Nick, you know, a shitload. I do a lot about these two. So this is going to be a very fun conversation, which we are not going to explain the plots of these movies, but just talk about the whole series. But by way of introduction to Dan, tell us about, you know, kind of your relationship with these movies or why you like them so much. Back to the Future Pod, baby. Oh, hey, guys. How are you doing? Jesus Christ, I don't even know what that was. Just Jordan's George McFly. Crispin Glover. Hey, Guy. Everyone's literally turned off the pod, right? No, no, no. Tell me about it. You got these other fucking great. Yeah. Yeah. When did you first, like, start loving them as a kid? No, it was really. No, I don't know what happened. I mean, I guess I feel like it happened after I moved to L.A.. I know. Honestly, if I'm. If I'm reaching back into my vault of memories because I have so many memories too much to do. I remember my 13th birthday, too, and I remember that I saw Scream six. You know what we saw? Scream 16. Yeah, we did today. Whoa. No, I. I think it wasn't until after I moved to L.A.. Oh, interesting. Not that it. I mean, obviously, that was not 12 years ago ish. I just had never really thought of a favorite movie before. Sure, sure. I don't think. I mean, obviously, like, I love I love stupid movies. Okay. Like, yeah, yeah. I think I would always say like my top four used to be. I don't even know I would. I knew Princess Bride was always in there and I was like, It's a great movie. Yeah, But I don't know, I just kind of wanted the movie to, like, latch on to. I wasn't like, forcing myself into this kind of, like, clicked. I liked it. No, I didn't. Because I'm sure you, me and our friends, I saw it. Yeah, Tony was there. We saw it like a 25th anniversary. As a 25th anniversary, I think. Like in the theater. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think that's when it clicked. Oh, shit. And then, like, had. Had you seen it as a kid? I had seen, Yes, I seen. But I think I saw too. They for some reason t two is on TV more. I'm going to get there. Trust me. Trust that fucker on all the terms. Specifically to number two. Yes, all the time. Okay. So not like a childhood relationship? No, I didn't have any child. I don't really where movies weren't a big part of childhood. Not really, no. I wasn't allowed to watch R.i.p.d. 13 movies til I was older. Yes, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I mean, my I was mostly more than the music. I mean, my brother and I, we pretty much like we would grow up in like ninth Roxbury Church or like our dad and my undocked indoctrinated us to, like, Weekend at Bernie's as kids. Yeah. So, like, I was like, it's hilarious. Yeah. But Back to the Future came later. Later. And I don't know. I don't know why I don't know. Had you been. I remember because when we went to see that movie, we, we really kind of did just kind of meet like we, we didn't know each other as well as we do now, but we were we were becoming friends. And because I did not like you. Okay. Yeah. Dan is giving Nick a look right now. I would say, Well, no, it was about because if he wasn't going to say I was going to be like, is is that the period of time where you didn't like me? Has anyone met you for the first time in like you know the thing to say as he takes a drink of water? I get it. I liked you right away. Yeah, I picked up on most of the girls that I've dated who go. I mean. I mean. I mean, my parents liked me right away when I was born. I think it was. I don't know why it was later. I don't know what it was. I love this. Actually. I love this. I didn't know this Here. Go ahead. Well, yeah, to make it to the point when we saw that movie, I remember I asked you what your favorite movie was, and I don't know if it was before or after the movie, but I remember looking over at you during the movie and you were really enthralled, like you were like on board with everything. And then I think if I could be wrong, but I think it was afterwards, you're like, That's my favorite movie. You know, it's one of those things where like, I think I didn't have one and everyone has one. Sure. And I just kind of I don't know if it was like one of the classic where, like, I have to have an answer and people ask me, I was like, latched on to a movie. And that is kind of stuck. And obviously it's a great one. Yeah. And then I kind of just it was worked out. It fits for you. Yeah. So like, if someone's pressuring you, what's your favorite movie of all time? You'll go to this one, maybe. Potentially, Yeah. That or like that or like Place Beyond the Pines. It goes back and forth. Are you joking? I'm. I love that movie. Oh, it's like you do five for me. Why? I also love Nocturnal Animals, which I could not believe that you like. And it was going to Wet Hot American Summer. You always went back and forth between those two. Beyond the Pines is up for you. Well, I love that. I didn't know you liked it that much. God so good. We did a podcast on that. Not that you've ever listened to it, but we did listen to our first. I know you don't, but what makes it such a good guest is no pretense, no bullshit. Tell me you don't. Nick, When did you like when did you start forming a relationship with the series? With this trilogy? I was a kid. Same here. And I this is one of those things where my mom let me watch whatever movies I really wanted to, and she'd watch them with me. But this was one, if I'm not mistaken, that she's the one that like, turned me on to it because she knew where my sensibility was. And that's the thing about this movie is that this movie is a universally fun movie that everyone likes anyone any age. That's why it works its way. We're still talking about it. If someone doesn't like this movie, I'm really like, that's actually a weird barometer for me. Like, okay, something's wrong, because how do you not like Back to the Future? Yeah, that would be I've never heard you want to be like that. Movies, dog shit. Yeah. No one's ever said that about this movie. It's like this movie's pure magic, right? It's a fun. It's a fun, cathartic feeling. Like if I'm dating someone and they're like, I've never seen these movies. And I'm like, Well, get ready. Because I'm like, I love showing people, Oh, yes, this one. Yeah. I mean, I do that with Ali all the time. Like, I love the show her stuff and go, you know, get ready. It's so fun. But I mean, it's also really fun when we've made it this long. And then you meet someone who just hasn't seen them and you get to, like, share it with them. Oh, my God, it's so fucking fun. I love you in that. I love it. That's cool. I didn't know. Yeah, I think. I think that's. Yeah, I just. I don't know. It just worked out. And then obviously, I picked a good one. You did? You sure did a damn good of the stuck with it. Yeah. I'm not upset about it. You shouldn't be. But also it's like, you know, and then I just, like, eventually just doubled and tripled down on it. But I just it's like part of my persona is Nick knew me when I would wear the back to the future to have Oh, my God, I loved it. Oh, I didn't know this. Oh, I wore it before 2015, before like, and then I stopped wearing it because it became it became relevant when it became cool to wear back to the future. Well, when 2015 came around, when the future was sad. Oh, everyone. Now, I'm not saying I was a trendsetter, but that's pretty much. I think that's all I want. That's all I wore out. Yeah, I think you said it. You were in L.A. and everyone was like, Yeah, this dude knows what the fuck is up. This dude fucks my shirts. But they all say, Yeah, it is what they all say. Okay, my relationship to this was I finish line, but thank you. I don't know. He interrupted you, sir. Go, go. No, I want to hear. Mom showed it to you know, my mom showed to me and then it became a movie. That was I would I would watch it every day, but just one. You're just talking. Oh, no. The whole thing. Really? Oh, well. Well, we're talking about one right now. But in terms of the whole entire franchise. Yeah. I'm just wondering, your relationship with the trilogy in general. Yes. Okay. It was the first one, and then I found out there was a second one. Yeah. And it would. They were all on. It's all very interesting. Just in this current moment, I've realized that the two of you were brought up with, like, parents that have very strong movie roots. Sure, my parents were not like my dad. Love nineties action. Yes, I love like my dad swears to this day. His favorite movie is Joe Dirt. So awesome, which is great. But like Chris Rock, those are the type of movies that I grew up with. Like, Yes, stupid shit. I get it, but great. Yeah. Yeah. What's one movie from like that time of growing up where you had to say that you had a favorite movie and you kind of latched on to Back to the Future, What was like one growing up that you just were always watching? Princess Bride? Probably, right? That was it. Gremlins? No, I don't know. I my gremlins. I watched I watched I watched Wedding Crashers in theaters five times. Or is that too, too new? No, she doesn't. I think he means like as a kid, though, did you watch any movie, like on repeat as a kid? Was it Princess Bride? No, he was a Roxbury. I think it was a big one. And that. So that's a good idea. So, no, I get it. You didn't grow up in a movie house, so your movie came like, a little bit later. I didn't. I didn't know that. I didn't know that because I would call you a lover of movies. You maybe down south a little bit. But you you when you like something that you like. Yeah, but I also like it very much surprised me what I like I it's hard to Yes. Discern what you're going to like. But in COVID you and I got really into like we were volleying back Westerns and Kurosawa together and like and I would not expect that you would like that stuff. And I think I'm bringing all this up because this is going to be pertinent for part three in particular. Like I, I don't want to speak for you, but I think your love of part three maybe helped open up the Western genres for you. Is that fair or is it? I think so. It's also I also like westerns because they're just slow. Yeah, I know what it is, and I don't know if it's like my ADHD brain. Like once you like fall into it once that once the lands, once you're shown the vast landscape of the Wild West and it's just like so horrific in her favor. Sorry. So get the fuck out of my office. But yeah, I think I just like this. The pace and it's the beauty of it. Yeah. Obviously back to picture three. Like it's quicker than most. Sure, of course, of course. But they're just. It's just so fun. Yeah. Oh, they all are. They all really are. Were you finished with your remarks, Nicholas, of what this meant? I mean. I think so. Okay. Okay. So does anyone want to hear what I thought? Yeah. Okay. Think. Try it out. See? See how it fits the outfits. I my relationship with this was I became completely obsessed with part two as a kid, like, very early on, because they played it. I actually don't have zero recollection of ever seeing part three on TV. I do like, go and rent that. It is like they do all three now, now, now they do. They always undo years. We were on Young Nick. I spent New Year's Eve and New Year's Day together. I don't know what channel we had it on, but they were just playing all three all day like Booboo, and we started it like two that we would check in with three and it was funny. And then we'd go away for an hour and come back and I was like, in the middle one. But yeah, I became obsessed with two and became obsessed with all that future stuff. Yeah, Hoverboard. Oh, I thought it was so cool. I was like, I even. I never thought we were going to be. I mean, it's 2015. It's like. It's like flying cars and researching this film. They knew that too. I just loved that so much more over why I like two so much, because I think I think that was one of the first movies I saw that entered into its own narrative. Yeah, right. Because like, they go back into Back to the Future, like in the first movie. Yeah. And he's seeing himself on stage with Johnny B and I'm like, this kid putting it together, going, I didn't even know movie can fucking do this. Yeah, I didn't know you were about to double back on your narrative and like, see, you're seeing things in, like, a different way, and that is what always sticks out with me. So I, you know, I love them. I, I honestly didn't love three until probably like recently. I've always kind of three. So much fun. Yeah. I've been the guy who like will say, see my lips really hold up, but it does. I like it a lot. If you if you split apart back to feature two in three parts where it's like 20 1585 alternate and then 55 again. Yeah. My least favorite is the future trilogy. Yes, that's probably one of my favorite sequences in the entire trilogy. I, I just, I don't know. I mean, it's fine. Yeah, it's kind of like, I don't know, compared to, like, the Ewoks and In Return of the Jedi. But it's like, I don't mind that you walk now for talking about it. Yeah, it's like part the future for me is it's okay. It's super campy, but it's supposed to be supposed to be. That's why I like it. Like the sleeve that, like, fits. Oh, my God. And just that hoverboard chase around the world. Oh, it's great. It's great. I loved it, but I just. I just really like the dark timeline. Yeah. And like you said, like, I'm going back to 55, right? There's four of them. Yeah. Yeah, two of two. Right. Exactly. One of the most scared I've ever been is a kid watching movie because I would. Because the same as you. Like, I'd watch these movies so many times, one and two in particular for me one particular because well two was on TV all it really was I don't know. You know what? Maybe it's all the fucking product placement. That was maybe prison video product placement. When I first started becoming super familiar with these movies, the most iconic scene I remember seeing on TV the most was the end of two. When when Bernie runs around. Yes, runs around and catches dock in the street right after Marty takes off. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that. I just remember that ending all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It was a too. That's my memory too. Which is something we all the time. I don't know, but yeah, the scene where. Where Marty finds out that George, in this alternate universe where George McFly, his father, is dead and he runs to the cemetery, there's like, a crack of thunder and lightning. And Alan Sylvester, his music comes in, and you just see Marty, like, basically falling over, like, the cemetery with a flashlight. I remember being so scared of that scene. And then he sees the tombstone. Yeah, is I know. And I just like to this day that was on I put it on earlier and I remember I watched that scene. I was like, give you that? I don't know what it was, but it's one of those things about these movies that like, I'm really grateful that I grew up at the time that I did because I think this is one of those movies where if you saw it as a kid, you really latched on to it. There's something so fun and something so unique and creative. Yeah, because to your point about seeing this movie at at an age where you're like, Oh, I didn't know a movie could go inside of itself like that. Exactly. Anyone at any age can watch that and be blown away by that. But I think as a kid, it it really does something a little bit different. All three of them did this, but it's also the first movie. It's like when you're younger, you you watch it really only focused on Doc and Marty. Yeah. I mean, you both know my favorite characters, George, because he's just. Oh, you are? Yeah. Yeah. But it's like, Well, you did Crispin Glover so good, but you just. But you just forget. You just don't know until you. Until it clicks. You don't realize how incredible. Crispin Thomas Wilson is. Oh, my God. So, yeah, we'll get into it. I know where we are. Yeah, Yeah. But it's just Crispin is just every his just physicality in every scene. Oh, my God. It's just. You just watch him do the goofiest shit. Yeah, it really. It's very broad. Like, it shouldn't work, and it really. I mean, we had it on earlier today and we were all laughing our asses off. Well, that's the thing. Particularly about the very first one. Yeah. This movie should not work. There's a lot about it that shouldn't get out. Can we get into this now? You go. All right. This is one of the things, though, when I think of a perfect movie and I think I brought this up on the pod with the few times where there's just movies that are not necessarily the greatest movies ever made, but for what they are and what they do and how they execute it, it's perfect. I think Back to the Future is a perfect movie. You have so much fun with it. You fall in love with the characters. Everything works, but there's so much structurally that shouldn't. Yeah, because this movie breaks so many rules. Yeah. And my favorite one that it breaks and we'll get into more but is that we do not know how Doc and Marty know each other and never do we care. This is a thing that if you were to watch any movie today and the way that they introduce these guys, Marty is asleep at his bed at 1230 at night and he gets a call and a school. They probably and it's some person he's like Marty leaving a Twin Pines mall. It's like he's like, I'll be right there. All of a sudden, he just skates down 1:00 in the morning, a high school kid, and he meets this wild eyed, great haired, mad scientist. Yeah. And we begin all this exposition, and no one once wonders, how do these two know each other? Where did they meet? Was Doc like, a weird ass schoolteacher that got fired? Was it like there's even, like, you can bring up our. They love her. She's like, there's so many things, but you never question it. And if you do, you're like I said, why would I do that? Why would I think why would I think about how they know it? It doesn't matter. But that's crazy, though. Yeah, I do believe Bob Gale explained it off like an interview or something, but I don't remember what it is. I think he broke into his house or something. Yeah, I'm sure there's no explanation. This one. Yeah, but I back then. No, that's an explanation. Decades after nobody cracked. Yeah, yeah, nobody. You could show the movie to someone who's never seen it. I guarantee you they're not going to want to. Or if they do, they might for a second. And then they won't care because Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd are so, so good. Yep. And the way that that relationship just is, you don't care because it's so wonderful to watch. And going back to the exposition point, the whole 31st 30 minutes of this movie, they're just explaining this, exclaiming, nothing happens, right? And it's Marty being like an English doc in English. And he's like, really dumbing it down for us. So we understand. Yeah, when it works, it's so it's crazy that it just carried on performance alone. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously score. Yeah. But that's the feeling like I just don't like it. There's all these like obviously like there's like Easter eggs where, like, you know in Strickland's like you're never going to amount to anything. And it's like, well history is going to change. There's all these like tiny things they put tiny that is showing is obviously foreshadowing everything. Yeah. And you've got you've got the power of love, which is just a great like you want a way to break into a movie with Marty like, you know, skateboarding on the back of people's cars. Yeah, but even that opening scene when you're just watching all this dog food, you're over hearing the news. That's all exposition. Oh, yeah, it's all exposition. Why, Doc, is that Marty's? We don't even know any of this. There's plutonium. Why, Marty, is it? Why is Marty? But yeah, then the guitar. Yeah. Like there's these things that just sort of happen that you're like, I don't care. This is awesome. Yeah. The blues, you know? And then when we even meet George and Biff for the first time, we're getting exposition because all that scene is. Is to explain that Marty cannot take his car on the weekends, Right? Yeah. And, and and introducing Biff. It's introducing Biff and it introduces how much of a loser his dad is. So we are getting things we are like. But for the most part, no, the we don't know what we're doing doesn't stop until he told Father 1955. Right. So it doesn't stop until I would say you can really start. That's good, because Leah Thompson explains the whole Enchantment under the Sea dance thing. You need to know, which you do need to know, right? So it's in the beginning. You know it is, but I'm saying it really the exposition doesn't stop until Marty goes to bed. Yeah, well, what Lorraine was. What? Lorraine? What's he. No, Mom, he's under the fish under the sea dance. No, no, It was the enchantment under the sea. Well, then you brought up a good point to me, and Tex talked to me a little bit about Marty's arc in the first one. He doesn't have a great example. He doesn't have. Exactly. That's. That's what's so great about it. So Ray wins. He doesn't change it. He wins. He becomes rich, right? He wins. He wins the Marty that comes back to 85. It's the poor Marty. So not to, like, dive too much in as time travel and shit, but like the Marty that leaves at the end of the movie in the mall is the rich one. And this dude just is like, I'm Marty. And so he's just. But yeah, he's just like, he, he gets everything he wants, right? So but it's very rare for like a main character to really not have any or No. And there's none. There's not like a and I'm sorry real quick. I just never consider that until you text me that it was like, holy shit. But it's just reacting to things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, essentially he's our he's our hero. He's our protagonist because he's the one that, for better or not, like his chosen jerk, you know, to have to figure out. He just reacts. Yeah, but that's George. He pushes George because he's a do you know, he, he just has to figure out a problem and he's got to help along the way. But basically that's it. So this journey that he went onto was by accident, too. And then by the time it's over, I remember I explained this to to to a special friend. And boy, she was like blown away. Like her eyes were like, I need to rethink everything about this movie. And that's what makes it because he doesn't learn anything. Right? Anything. Which is why in two and three they're like, We should probably give Marty an arc. Yeah, something. But his arc at the end of three, if you were to look at the entire Marty McFly arc, the arc is, is that he basically learned doesn't take it seriously because he isn't on the race that was that was a controlled trial and anger that's not really that big of a deal in our review you know three movies in five years. Yeah and if Marty doesn't get mad. No. And my favorite part about the third one is, is that Marty is really the antagonist in some ways. He is a little bit, yeah. Because he's just there to get Doc like to do what you need Doc to do. But Doc is like, I kind of like it here. I'm also in love. And Marty, he's like, Doc, I mean, he told him not to come back, right, Doc? They don't come for me like I'm fine. But he did it because he gets killed. I know. Over time, he's trying to be selfless. Yeah, but we understand it's true. Everyone does, no matter the year. Oh, what else you want to talk about? Zemeckis? It all just where like he was at at the time. And, I mean, I want to give a little, you know, Robert Zemeckis like, yeah, three movies for I Want To Hold Your Hand, which I used to own on VHS. It's about a bunch of crazy Beatles fans. I've never tried to get to a Beatles concert. So it's like Detroit Rock City. Yeah, but like earlier, they're very goofy and then used cars, which isn't. It's funny, but it doesn't. It really hasn't. Like, it's not available anywhere. Like, it's hard to find. Romancing Stone was the big one. Who's going to veto? Yeah. Michael Douglas. Love that cat. Yeah, it like it is. It's really, really good in that I think they get let him make studios exactly studios because they're in canvas for rentals are back these are before Oh they did yeah I think okay I'm almost PA they can couldn't get you make it right couldn't get the money for it. So that's what it's just kind of interesting to track with that and then you know he makes these and he does I love that he does Roger Rabbit perform, you know. Oh my God. In the middle. I wasn't in between one and two. It was between on let me get this right. It's two and three back to back, I think. Yeah. Two I believe. Yeah. Because it has to be eight. Yeah. Then two is 89 and then six months later released in theaters was three. That's crazy. They film in both at the they say two and three but that's crazy to release them only six months apart. I didn't realize that's nice or nice. It's not swinging a fucking year. Yes not I watch nothing. I watch Marvel movies, but it's just like, Why? Why, Woody? It's like waiting year for, like, Avengers. I get it. Trust me. Whatever. The other one, we're getting stream seven in six months, guys. Well, we don't. Well, yeah. God, God willing, God willing. Excuse. That's in that case, you know, he said he's had an interesting career after certainly like after the back to the future, he goes Forrest Gump, he gets his Oscar contact and then things start to rate that. You like that one? I like. Yeah, I like what lies beneath. I love Castaway. Oh, it goes a little crazy. After Castaway. I do like Slate a lot, but then something happens, like with his filmography where he starts writing more and he did write the Back to the Future movies. Write him and him and Bob Gale wrote them. Yes. Yeah, him and Bob Gale wrote them. And those are like really good screenplays. But his biggest movies he did not write. And the ones that have come out recently that, you know, we're not really fans of, he wrote all those. So, you know, he helped write Marwen Yeah, yeah. I mean, his career has gone where it's gone, but we can't take away from these three miles because, oh, here's a good point is this If we're just talking about three, talking about a trilogy, yeah, that's all. There's nothing after Is this in the conversation? Is one of the best ever. Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I don't even we tried to Google like everyone go Google like Trilogy's favorite, you know, best movie trilogies. You're going to see the first Star Wars things that we get that doesn't count. It doesn't count to me because it's out. I even saw it was like scream one, two and three. And I go, What the. No, that doesn't count. If they've made another one. Toy Story does not count. They made the fourth. I mean, I mean that's feature three It's it gets a lot of shit for some reason I just think because people don't see it a lot of people don't haven't rewatch dude that was me that was me for like, honestly, until I met you and I, you know, I thought you told me that three was your favorite a year ago, But I do know that you love three a lot. Three. Great. Now that my order is one, three, two. Right, Right. Well, thanks. I was going to be at the end podcast on. Thanks for listening. Everyone is not skipping. No do want to with your like love for it I reinvestigated it and then last time I watched these movies was like last week and I did them all in a row. I never done that boom, boom, boom. And it really did hold up. I was like, Yes, I was being too hard on it because it's I guess it's a little slower than the second one. It's a little slow is maybe I would gather to say that it's actually the most mature. It is. I haven't it's hard and it's it's hard to like introduce a character and Mary Steenburgen does really well, like just coming to dinner, like the last movie of a trilogy. And it's been it's not like you're not feeling like, oh, another one, like another random character where you establish in the relationship of Doc and Marty, and we haven't even established that Doc is like into romance or love. It says a new movie Part two. Oh, he does. He does. Odd when he says he wants to focus on like another unknown part of the universe. And he says women. So it's like it's hinted that he's ready to like to go to look for. Well, okay and this is really doc story the 13 Oh yeah. Part three. I think that might be the reason why some people because you're used to seeing this movie through the lens of Marty were these stories to the lens of Marty. And then you get to the third one and it really switches to Doc's. And it's not a bad thing, but it is a switch because the first one we really it's Marty story. So yeah, obviously we get two versions of Doc because the doc we spend the most time with is the doc will never really see Nazis and three bit but we really don't used to it's mostly Well he never changes though. No I mean in 1955 85 2015 Dr. Doc gets like he said he gets more of an arc and three as well. That's what I think It's like his RV. Yeah, yeah. No one has an arc in the first one except George, I guess. Well, George goes actually. Lorraine says Susan, but it's not that. But they didn't do anything to achieve that. No, I did too. Well I guess George, George is going to punch Biff. He punches them and stands up for himself and punch him in the remind me. Oh, they just put the dance together and they had a kiss of the dance and that was it. And then and then the dynamic between Biff George doing this homework and carriage carries over to him. Yes. Yeah. So that never got squashed. I got you. I got you. So that, that is. Yeah, that is an arc. Like he learned to stand up for himself. Yep. Yep. And Marty is really just he actually helps that happen. Yes. And so he doesn't actually do anything for himself. Right? He just gets back home. But along the way, he gets his father to make that he sets himself up for success. The so he's unbeknownst and yeah, speaking of like things don't have anything to do with the plot like that. Johnny B Good sequence. There's nothing. No, no. Just get good joke out of it. It's great. It's your cousin Marvin. Yeah, Yeah. Marvin Berry. Okay. Just. Yeah, yeah, very obvious, but. Okay, we could do. We could get into the. Oh, best trilogies. I mean, note here we have the Godfather one, two, three. That's pretty good. And then the Mighty Ducks. Oh, okay. No, that's great. That's fucking great. I mean, what? We're not going to have the Mighty Ducks show no shows. Don't count. Shows don't count this. I thought about this since we had this conversation. Okay. I think a big part of the reason why this conversation doesn't work anymore is because back maybe like not even maybe 20 years ago, you could have a conversation about what were the best trilogies because you had Indiana Jones. Yeah, you had the original star Wars even before the prequels. These were the trilogies that were a part of these conversations. But now almost all of them have gone on Matrix franchise. Yeah. Would you guys sell that? Yeah. So trilogies are no longer a thing. I mean, even Scream was the third one, which they definitely like. It's a good conclusion like this story is over and then the 11 years later they made for yeah yeah everyone's dipping back into this IP What about would you guys say, Where's the magic Mike? Sure. Would you like a magic Mike? Trilogy's way up there. But it's a tough one because Soderbergh didn't direct to I mean, it's still a trilogy, but it would have been, you know, if we had that through line of Soderbergh the whole time. I know you're not a fan, but The Lord of the Rings trilogy is really no, it is that one that once ranked really highly. But does that count if they're remaking them or since they made The Hobbit movie? Yeah. Does that count? It's a whole Well, I don't know. I think they do. I think if I was really going to, you know, than that The Lord of the Rings trilogy is definitely out there. People love those movies. Not going to remake them. Yeah, but I mean, they're already fucking and understand to understand the before trilogy, before trilogy. Yeah. There we go. Not one that certainly not doesn't have the box office know of. Back to the Future. I haven't seen the before trilogy. Oh, man, it's good. I don't know if you'd hate it. Yeah, I don't know. I relationship stuff. Really? Yeah. Pretty long. Lot of talking. Oh, yeah. The whole thing first. It's like on a train, isn't it? No, they meet on a train. It's very good. They're very good films. Very good. The second one's in real time. 80 minutes. Watch it. Walking around for 80 minutes in Paris. Ethan Hawke, baby. Ethan Hawke. Lovely, lovely. Richard Linklater. Maybe. Michael J. Fox. What do we think? Do we love him? Yeah. Get into Michael J. Hated McFly. He's amazing in the years. He's so good. It like I say this all the time, like a perfect marriage of character and actor. Like you can't imagine anyone else as Marty McFly, which we're going to get to. You know him in a second. Yeah, we are. But no, I want to talk about I want to talk about let's open the cast up. Just he nailed it. He did it. He filmed part one like he was doing Family Ties. Yeah. And then back to the future tonight. That must have been rough shit. Oh, yeah. He did everything That only lasted for a little while, right? But in order to get him on to do it, they were like, okay, we'll do this. But you can only have him four nights. Right? Right. And so he just worked for basically 24 hours for a while. I will talk. I want to get more, but I had someone throw my $0.02 that I think that Back to the Future is one of the most well cast. Oh, it's so welcoming. It's great anyone's ever made. Yeah, everyone's so good. They're so good. It's they're all iconic in their ways. And how many movies can you really say that about where everyone pulls their weight? Exactly. Perfectly. Everyone. It's like everyone was on board. They got what they were doing. Yeah. Like, if we're going to play it big, like sometimes Glover does, and certainly sometimes Thomas of Wilson does. Like if we're going to push it and make it big, I mean, even Leah Thompson with like the drinking and the oh my God and the troubles of She's so good, like she's so good and she plays so many characters. Through Exactly. And so the whole series of the whole series. But even you get the side characters like Strickland. Yep. Lacher like, even like the red, the homeless guy. Like there's these sort of just these people that you meet along the way that they'll play other parts and they're like, This is also good. But to Michael J. I mean, was there anyone more charming and special like he he wasn't an action guy. No, No. But he was like the perfect like, it's like an everyman teen everyman, everyman teen. But he's got attitude. Yeah, he's got charm. He, he, he's got comedy. Like he, he has everything. And there's something just like you want to root for him. You just do. Yeah. You want him to succeed. Yeah. Well said. What's the way he reacts to everything? Yeah. Yeah. Great. Great reactions. I mean, what is it? Paradox. That the thing that. Yeah, I mean, he sees these things the way he tries everything is just so ridiculous, which is why it works. No. Yeah, Yeah, that's great. That's a good point. I never really thought about that. Yeah, well, then maybe that's why the doc relationship goes so well is because whenever Doc is telling him all this new information, his reactions to it are they kind of are just like, what these WTF moments. Yeah. Like, like this is heavy but but at the same time, like it's so light, right? It's so light that you just buy you blow past all of like what could be like, wait, no, I actually have more questions about this. Yeah, Yeah. You just go along with his energy. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Can we talk about it before we get to the other cast members? We talked about poor Eric Stoltz and what happened. I mean, I know a lot of people know this, but do you want to give a quick just a quick break down? You think what they woke is? Well, they originally wanted Michael Jay and they couldn't get him because of family ties. So they're like, let's get Eric Stoltz. And then they got him. And then it wasn't working for six weeks. It was a lot. They shot a lot of footage. That's a lot of footage. So this is not something where you I mean, you can't, like, edit around that. Not really. They they said they used some reaction shots. I think I told you there's a there's rumors that like when he's driving the DeLorean in like the Twin Pines mall in the beginning that could be Stoltz. And then there's a whole thing about I don't know if it's true, but they people have said, like, when when he when Marty punches Biff in the diner. Thomas Wilson's Eileen's too high. Because Marty's because Michael J. Is lot shorter than Stoltz, right? I believe so. It's like it could be Eric Stoltz throwing the punch, right? But going in and having to, like, reshoot all that stuff. I mean, obviously everyone feels bad for Eric Stoltz, of course, but that would have been a terrible decision for Zemeckis to be like, Oh my God, like, I have to do that. Not only that, like I have to start this fucking movie over. Like, this is crazy. He is the worst decision he's ever had to make. Well, how do you. Yeah, it sucks. I mean, because. Because I think Stoltz was treating it, though. Seriously? Yeah, he was treating it very seriously. Yeah. Yeah, It's always crazy me you got that far in, like, the auditioning casting process. So you got this far and then. And he's listen is Mac and C said like, I let it go on for that long because I just, I thought it was going to get better. Yeah it's going to be fixed and it didn't and that decision was made. Yeah. Well, have you ever seen any of that footage? Well, little bit, yeah. Very, very little. Yeah. Here and there. They really some even you can tell in that footage. Yeah. Because it's in the diner, right? Yeah. Yeah. The diner. There's even like. Well, some docks. House. Yeah, docks, house. The difference between what happens when Michael J. Fox is in those scenes? Yeah, it's just night and day. It really is. And I think that's just one of those things where if you're Zemeckis, you kind of got to look and be like, You know what? This is not working well. Just the way Marty misread Michael J responded, This is again, his reaction to everything. Yeah, we're goofy. Yeah, it's much more like comedic and that's what they want. Yeah, He's got the voice cracking. Yeah, yeah, he's playing it up a little bit. But one of the reasons why this is so hard and such a tough story is that we all agree Zemeckis made the right decision. Yeah, and it's got to wait. Really? Just forever. Yeah. Shoulders like, it just really has to suck. Like it's the worst thing that I can imagine if I'm an actor. Another really famous one is Harvey Keitel was already in Apocalypse Now. He was. He was doing it. But that lasted for like I think, a week. And then Coppola was like, This isn't going to work. So he brought in Martin Sheen. And that that that is tough. Like, don't get me wrong, that's tough. But it wasn't six week. It was like it was like there's another one. It was I mean, Dennis Hopper and Truman Show. Oh, he's supposed to. Ed Harris. And he was they brought in Ed Harris and they brought Hopper and they brought in Hopper. He was not doing it. It was not working. You're right. Yes, that's a great one. You know that. How long were they shooting? I don't know. I don't know if it's that long. I don't think it was that long. But they gave Ed Harris he had Harris had no time to prep that. And he got nominated for an Oscar for it. Like he had it, right? Yeah. He just goes, okay, I'm going to do it. That's right. That's right. I forgot that. Yeah, I mean, that. Fuck, I can't imagine. It's like Dennis Hopper. Like this is, this is then Harris is amazing that. Yeah. He really is great. He really is. Yeah. It's always crazy when that happens. I didn't. I don't have any research here. Like, the biggest times that's happened in movies, but this is one of the biggest ever. This is. Yeah, one of the biggest. Because I think also even using those examples of Dennis Hopper and Harvey Keitel at the time, like Dennis Hopper was already Dennis Hopper, right? Harvey Keitel was Harvey Keitel. He was they were, they were well known. Yeah. Eric Stoltz was this would have been Oh yeah. The big break, the big break like it did for Michael J. Fox. Yeah, Yeah. Like it opened it up would have been unless he was bad. And then the movie tanks and no one and we're not talking I mean, I don't really know another Eric Schultz moving to Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction, Rules of Attraction. Oh, he's of quite a killing. No, I know he does indeed. A lot of good. He's great ideas and he's he is. He is. He's like I mean, it's all talked like. I mean, I don't I didn't in the show fringe they go to an alternate reality of earth and it's has their screen back to the future starring Eric Stoltz so it's like it's that's brought up to like it's still brought up and things Yeah I love that. Yeah that's that's cool. I didn't know that. Yeah, I like that a lot. Leah Thompson love her. She's so good in it. She's, Oh, my God. I'm going to find That's your lie down. She's an absolute dream. She's an absolute dream. Lorraine, I. I mean, she's so good and one, but I really like what she doesn't do as well. Like, I'm going to keep bringing it back to that. But just to see that she's, like, miserable with this, I But I always loved that. I loved it. Jesus, she's so good. I said, because we put them on today were just know walking around and we had them on in the background. I went, you know, as a kid I missed like how much of a booze bag she is. Like, I didn't I didn't care. Oh yeah, it's a lot. And she isn't Part two. They are too far to the timeline. Yeah, I mean, she's great. She's so committed. And the makeup looks just really holds up on her. This is another reason why she's gone. She's good part three, too. Yes, she's good. That's part three. Yeah, you're right. Them. She is. Another reason why. Back to the future. One part one should not work is because so much of her plot is devoted to incest. It's reverse out of this. Yes, but it's it's not you. That's a strong word to say that. Only if she knows. No, no. This is very her son. But yeah, if you if you think of the if you are a studio at the time that No, this was the selling point, this is the logline. Yeah. And it goes back to how journalism didn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly Like this is this is a part of the script, right? Like, this is what's actually being made. And in the 1980s, how does this movie work? It's just another example of why no one actually cares because you're watching this and of course you're thinking like, Oh my like is that you telling me about my mom? Right? She's got the hots for me. And that line, it becomes almost like, funny. Yeah, it's fun. As opposed to creepy. Whoa. Yeah. And even when they actually kiss, like, if you. I saw that movie in theaters and everyone goes right, they go crazy as opposed to. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. Like, like no one's offended. Well, that's think it's also because Marty, she's so helpless. Well, yes, it's just she's. Lorraine is the driving force in that car scene big time. Oh, my God. That's like you just. Yeah, No, she's. She's ready. Yes. So the fact that she obviously makes the decision to not do it, which is the best thing she could do. Well, yeah. She's like kissing my brother. Yeah. Yeah. No, it just. It just works. It just works because you shouldn't. Yeah. And it's just. Marty's just so helpless in his goofy. Oh, my God, it's so good. But, yeah, I love her. I love her in all of them. I mean, even when we go to the future, in part to, like, just the way she's playing all that up, she's so funny, like, their voice is down here. Oh, gosh. Oh, wait. When she plays her older self. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's hydrates a level five. Yeah, exactly how Michael J. Fox plays the daughter in part two. Oh, in 2015? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I always like how he plays his son and he plays his daughter. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, literally playing the same card. He plays the woman. He plays the female, so he's great. So yeah, he's like, His hair's all too big. Yeah. So good. That's a fun scene because we get stuck in needles, we get fleas, flee the league. Great, Great. See, Flea, Good inclusion to the series. Okay, let's go to Christopher Lloyd here. I mean, I, you know. Wonderful. He's been he'd been around for a while. Yeah. Taxi like he'd been around it just it's inclu it's Yeah. He wants to do the business. Yep. This is one of it's so iconic of Doc Brown. It's like it's one of those performance. He still plays him exactly today. Exactly like you see it like it's like and he's okay. Everyone knows what it is you know we all know like oh that yeah that's Doc Ock. That's from Back to the Future. I get it. You know, you get to make that what you want. Like if you look at the lines that that Doc Emmett Brown has on the page and what Christopher Lloyd does with that. Yes. The cadence is also a very calm person in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's everything. It's the wild hair. But I mean, I honestly think it's one of the greatest characters that film has ever had. That's what I mean. It's like it's an iconic film. It's a bold statement. Yeah, I firmly believe it. It is. It is. He's so good. He's so good. And like we said, like he really gets to do more in three, which I like. It's, you know, he gets to give him a love interest, which is great. Yeah. It works out really well. Yeah, I like it when he hits Biff in the face with the car door. That's great. Part so good Part two. I like that. One is fucking glasses he brings back at the end of part what I like when he's reading the letter. He has the magnifying glass in front of him. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. He's great. I mean, it's everything. It's like such a broad question because everything is just so good. And I mean, we talk about chemistry on this podcast. His chemistry with Michael J. Fox is off the page. They feel like they this relationship feels so real. And to your point, we're never questioning you're never questions me, you just bleep it. I think it has to go down as one of the greatest all time duos in movie history. Absolutely. Like Marty and Doc like I mean, I mean, Jesus, even the the show, that's the cartoon Rick and Morty that's based off of Doc and Marty. And you can absolutely tell like it. There's so much of what I know there's a story I shared earlier today with you that you don't remember. Dan I'm talking about Dan and I will occasionally, not occasionally, but we will often just reference back to the future quotes. They're usually Doc Brown quotes, right? And we were trying to figure something out, but we were running into a problem about arranging a situation. And you go, we may have to blast. And that's just a very obscure quote from the third one. I did do a George one. Well, you are Crispin Glover. Yes, that's our he's we're talking about him now. What you want, Biff? How much you want Because you because you are you ask me out somewhere like how much money you got on, how much you want. Bill Oh, it's part of my Christopher Lloyd conversation here is that he goes and makes who framed Roger Rabbit. But the middle of these. Yeah. And that is great. A terror fighting performance. I love that he's such an asshole that I remember as a kid putting it together. Not judge did that. Yeah, Judge, do not only that, that was the scene. That's not a bad guy, right? This is not only was that the same actor, but these movies were directed by the same person. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so cool. I love that movie. I love concurrency. Oh, it's so good. Let's also not forget the great Dennis the Menace. He isn't Dennis the Menace. He's the bad guy. Dennis the Menace. Yes, of course he is. But they don't even lock their doors yet. Here we go. Let's talk about George McFly, your favorite actor of all time. He's just fucking favorite maybe, but he's just so good in this. Oh, my God, He's so funny. Every scene he is and he steals. He asks to see him come back at the end. Now, you know, Mister Suave, like, and he's just like, even when he's not speaking, he's doing things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can always keep your eye on him. He's just. You just can't. That's. Don't. Have you ever. Have you ever watched a movie again? Watch him. Watch him. He's so funny. What. One of the things that I'll quote from him, which is not even like a thing that he does, but it's when he's smart, he's giving him notes on what to say. You know, this is good stuff. Ho, ho, ho, ho. Oh, I'll just say, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. And no one will ever understand that reference. People just think I'm weird, but I'm 100% just quoting Crispin Glover that it's just. So could you hear this layer? Can you explain to people why he didn't want to come back for part two and then I'll talk? I wanted to be you wanted to be a role? Oh, see, I'm pretty sure. Okay, so you want it because what he said was mostly a Thompson's is diminished. Like, Sure. Because I remember him saying, like, he didn't like the end of that. You know, I could be like, rich. Yeah, but no, I mean, but I think he just wanted a bigger. He had no I mean, he had a huge part in part one, Right? Right. So then they use his likeness in part two and they use, you know, and without really asking started everything. Yeah. And he, I mean, he really started all this like he sued them and made it's never been disclosed but shitload of money over likeness over likeness in part two. Now, like, I know it's funny, I was thinking that people are watching Scream Sex. I'm like, Oh, Timothy Olyphant got paid for this and less and less that those are like publicity sells like from movie. Then it wouldn't I don't I think you could be like because if they take a publicity stunt Oh Jack we definitely got paid for stuff anyway. Yes he's I mean I think it's what an interesting thing for an actor to be like. No, I'm not going to be in this undoubtedly huge movie back. And it's like, it's insane that he doesn't talk about it. Right. And he won't do any Casper unions. He just won't. It's just crazy. But he's also I've heard he's a nightmare to work with. Yeah, I. Yeah. Which makes two. Yeah. Yeah. He seems. I mean, if you're channeling that stuff and it's working out like it does in Back to the Future, I mean, those are big swings. Like it. It's very easy. That's like, I mean there's like a deleted scene. I mean, I don't know if it was ever released. I think it's true. It's when like, it's the scene in the first one where Marty's chasing George McFly back to the house and he's like, then anyone's you are. My plan was plans to changed my mind like some of the dances stuff there's a there's a take they did where George runs up on the porch and like you just like look he goes off the porch, grabs a broom that's off camera. He starts waving it like in front of Marty, like to try to get him to back away. Right. Like, that's just shit they didn't obviously use. Yeah. The stuff person would do, Right? Exactly. Just making it up as he goes. It's so fun to watch. He's so fun to watch. Yeah. When it's working, it's. It's great. I think he's got to be one of those actors where it's like, you just, like, wind him up and let him go. Yeah. And you just kind of take what you need. Yeah, but you're never going to know what you're going to get. Like in Hot Tub Time Machine. It's great. Oh, my God, He's so good talking to Larry. It's. I forgot. He was like, Oh, like, he's my favorite. The John Cusack moment. Right? Then you're going to lose that. You're going to lose your your good Willard. Oh, man. Oh, my God. River's edge. River's as good as he is. He is the only reason why I wanted to watch, I thought was that they did that show that came out on Starz. He was in it. He played like you played one of the antagonists for two or three seasons. It was a book series, but he made like Mister Earth or something. It was a I don't know, I can't read what it was. But he he played like the antagonist and he's just satanic in it. I'm sure he did a great job. He did? Yeah. You can never doubt Crispin Glover, Thomas F Wilson. Yes. Biff Tanen Scene stealer. I love this guy. Oh yeah. Him is Mad Dog in three is incredible. Oh, my God. It's They give him the most. He plays like seven or eight different characters. The entire trilogy. You were saying this when we had it on or I had a list. I think there. I think that's him. I think that's a voice. Oh, yeah. So many. And he's so good. And they're all different. Yeah, they are. They are. That's what's cool because it's like he's like in two. They're like, Thomas, you're going to play old Biff, but old, right? It's the same character. Yeah, exactly. So Biff, but he's an old curmudgeon. Old. He's great and in love with. So he's his younger self in the future. I mean, particularly in the second one. That's his movie. Yeah. And then when he gets gets like Rich, he's troubled. Yeah. It's like he's short for where in that movie And he just shines. I think he's the unsung hero of the trilogy. Oh, I think so, too. I think he's great. No one talks about him. Yeah, I mean, I get it. Like you're talking about Marty. And in Doc is being the thing, because even Crispin Glover doesn't really outside of that first one. But no one ever talks about Beth. No, we talked about it earlier today. We talked about how, like, he tried to kill Marty in, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, when he. And he's still Cleon George's car. Yeah, when she, like, slams his was almost a hurdle. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he really did try to, like, squash Marty like a bug, And then he seems pleased and he's like, Alright, he's not there. If I just committed a felony murder, I feel great. Helps. Oh, my God. He's so. Yeah, he they all fit well into the western genre three. But he really does. Two. Yeah. He doesn't get enough credit for the amount of characters he plays, but I do like old I love, I love when he's old. And part two, I really, really like that. Your codger with a cane. So. Okay, so is that everyone's favorite of like what? Your favorite Biff from the entire trilogy? Mine's everything. My favorite performance or is by Thomas F Wilson. My favorite performances I guess would be in to Yeah, because I love all the stuff he does in it to my favorite performance of him, the scene where he explains everything stood out to what he's talking to about the book. Yeah. And then he's like and told me some an old scientist circuit had never thought to be you, you know. And he gets up the gun. Yeah, that whole. That whole thing, like, up in the roof is grave. Yes. Jump. Suicide would be nice to me. I love him already. When he needs to get out of the situation, he just goes, What the hell is that? Yeah, it's so many times. It's like it works every time it's like that. You're forgetting one thing. What the hell is it? It is like that. But then Griff doesn't fall for it, right? Oh, yeah, he continues. It's like. It's like, Oh, yeah, I've done This is 2015. That has been done better. Yeah, that's. That's bad. I love it there. Chase But he's also he was Mad Dog. Yeah, he's hilarious. He is. He's so good. Biff got a little bit blocked. Claudia Wells is Jennifer in part one. She's good. She is. She's good. She's great. She's like, couldn't come back. I'm sorry. You know, because she's in a lot of her documentaries. She shows her. I believe I could be wrong so people can look it up and prove me wrong on the social media. I feel like I read or heard somewhere that her mom got really sick and she had a drop out. Yeah, I think there was like, some family stuff, but then it came the hope that became the whole thing. But I was like, I'm like, Oh, it's the future. So they just changed what she looks like because they changed the future. It was like, Yeah, that's what I did. But no, but then like, obviously, like she was good. I mean, she's brilliant. Yeah, but that's also like, if you're going off of that, like they had to, like, they literally put Elisabeth Shue in a coma. It was exactly. Yeah. Like they're like, Well, okay now because they, they did not plan to make two and three like it. Well, now this one, we'll see if it's a hit and they're like, Well, shit, now she's in the car at the end of one. So what do we do with this character? Yeah, so it's put her on the litter on this bench for all of two or three and they bring her up a few times at three. They're like well is she going to be okay. But she didn't know she couldn't. You went. Oh she was great. Oh I love like she was the driving force of that scene. Oh, absolutely she does. I mean, when they run into each other, I'm like, Oh, that's so good of you. Yeah, I love her in it. It's a good switch. And if it you know, if it had to happen because Claudia Wells could come back, it was great. I liked what they did with it. Yeah, and that's a tough task too. Like, if you're Elisabeth Shue coming on to a project where you're a this actress is no longer available. So you're coming in? Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we don't really have much for you. Yeah, like you're in. You're in her wardrobe. That's about it. But it's also they did a good job because then they were like, Oh, shit, we have to reshoot the entire last 5 minutes, right? Yeah. Which is like, Yeah, like, not. I mean, it was shot for. Shot? Yeah, it was. They had to. It's fun. They're fun to watch back to back. Like I watched, you know, one and then immediately into two and it's fun to watch them. I don't know. Back to back. I should send you the trilogy that I cut together. Yeah, you cut them all together in one. You just put them together, right? But then you make 55 black and white or some black and white, Wild West and sepia, and then the fourth, the super is the future's oversaturated. Okay? So it's like, what's seven now? Seven, Five and a half? Yeah, Five. And if that makes sense, that's hilarious. Good movie. What do you call it? Only watch it twice. The heavy cut. The heavy cut bags. Oh, that's good. That's good. Oh, I love that. You know, you're on to some something there. Do you remember when you would watch the movies on TV? The edits they would do for the swearing? I don't. I mean, I did see the first several times I saw this was on TV, so I think it'd be the. We're only shooting maybe. Yeah. When I rented it, it was only show they can curse. Yeah. No, but I don't remember this specific. I remember seeing back to the future part two more times on TV with the edits because they would never say shit. Right? And I remember, like, when. When Marty is like, what happens in the future in the movie? He's like, We've kind of assholes or something and what have we become jerks or something? That's what he said. Yeah, there's just so many times where like, So I'm rewatching it tonight and I'm hearing the, the actual, the curse, the curses, and I go, Oh my God, I'm so used to that. Yeah. Being here. What a potty mouth. Marty So when one, when one ends and everything's like, good, and they're all, you know, rich and he's got the car and everything, and then we go to two. So tell me a little bit about and I want to hear this, like, why the future stuff doesn't necessarily work for you as well as the other stuff. Is it is it because they got stuff wrong? No. Okay. No, I just think it's for me, it's just too goofy. I mean, I look goofy. I don't know. It just I just I mean, the more and more I see it and the more I enjoy it, I hate it. No, no, no, no. Hi. Yeah, I'm just. I'm just really excited when I watch it. I'm excited to get to the darker timeline. Right? Right. I mean, it's fun. Yeah. And then going back to 55. Yeah, just because it's just so much fun right now. I do like the future. I like. The more I get, the more I see, the more I like it. Yeah, I think it's fun, but I don't know. It just doesn't sit with me. I mean, I think. And I like it. It's just. Yeah, they did call a lot of stuff, right? Like video conferencing. They're hologram advertising. It's like they got a lot right, Which is pretty cool. But yeah, I've always liked that. But not Jaws 19, though. I would know I chose 19 or closed the Cubs, though. Did you hear that? Zemeckis, Like in the press was saying hoverboards are a real thing. Like when that was out and people were becoming losing their minds like wanted one. What? I mean, that's like crazy Troll four. Yeah. Yeah. Because every kid wanted one. Oh, my God. I wish that hasn't happened the day you get sued. Yeah, probably, probably, probably. I mean, something would happen. I don't know, but no, that's probably why. I mean, I love to, but yeah, the future. I don't know. Yeah, I love Biff. Future. Biff. Oh, Griffiths. Biff. Yeah. No, no. Sorry. I met Griff with the getup. He has, you know, the boots, I think. I think that's my favorite. I biff throughout the trip. Yeah, like the way I mean, his screeching like that, he better go. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. When did you become the physical type. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to think about. Oh my God, He's so glad you don't go anywhere. You're next. But then that the chase scene in part two. I've always really liked as well in the tunnel. Like how he's holding on to the side of the car. It's good. We all brought up a point of, like, interesting. The biff doesn't acknowledge how he's, like, holding on to the car the guy that was this guy just holding on for dear life. But that's that's the fun of it. You don't ask those questions? No. So fun. And one of my whenever that tunnel is used in a movie, I love that. I mean, it's funny. That was. Yeah, I mean, it's funny. I wonder if zemeckis's like, I could use this in part to write down Roger Rabbit for for Toontown Tunnel Again, part two. Yeah. If you've ever been in that tunnel, it takes about, I don't know, 20 seconds. Not that long. It's so small whenever you see it in the movie. I mean, they got the amount of times they would have had to shoot that sequence in Back to the Future just to make it look like it's like, Oh, I love that shit. I love it. I mean, I mean, at a certain point, like, you know, this the reality of that scene, like, because it's not just that you wonder how he's in the back of his car, right? But like, Marty is like he's, you know, going sideways. That's what I mean. What the hell is that thing? Yeah, but I the the skateboard chase in the first film where he first crashes into manure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's just, I mean, but I think a big part of the excitement of all of these scenes is something we haven't touched on quite is the score of, Oh God, it's so good. So much of this is just due to that because, I mean, this is an iconic score. Yeah, it's an old school. Like characters have their themes. It does that. He has a big dip when things are going right. Yeah, it always hits you, right? I mean, it's fueling like a lot of the scenes. Yeah, we can talk about it. It's great. I mean, you can't have this movie without that score, and it's the score like everyone recognizes, even if they are he loves he loves the French movies. He does. He's done a lot of Zemeckis scores. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's got to be one of the best that he's done, if not the most iconic. I think it's one of my favorite uses of the score is in the third one. He's punching out Mad Dog and and then and they just cut like and it builds and then it builds but they're like these very hard cuts like yeah ended it and then right Yeah that was like because you've never heard that throughout the whole three has the most I think re is the newest the most new stuff with score. Yeah. It's like a Western with the Western. Sure. Sure. Which was. Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the second one if you really go into it like there's, it's just sort of evolving a little bit but it's not a complete like, okay, we're really going to go somewhere different with this. Yeah. There's no like future sounds or anything like that. He's not trying to do that, you know, intent that and then that and then they're so good. Oh my God. I'm just trying to get to 88 miles per hour, the horses. But you guys brought up the run up to skateboard. Chase, You brought up part one. I just want to talk about the train. And part three. No slow train. I want to talk about. Fuck you, You. I want to talk about just the recycled bits. Yeah, okay. Because obviously, in all three movies, Marty wakes up in a bed with his mom. All three? Yes, yes, yes. And just like this, like that. Repeated. Obviously a lot of the stuff is just recycled in all three movies. And yes, I love it works every time. It really does. Yeah. I mean, even if you got the same little like that, like that sound effects score thing where it's like that, like I don't know how it's done, but that, that dreamy type of a useless awakening, it's always the same. It's like my like, where am I? The eighties? Yeah, it is, but something. Yeah, she's up at the top of the building because like, up in the suite. Yeah. Yeah. And then yeah, it's always a you're safe and sound like they were never really gonna fly farm and Yeah. Like well flight fa Yeah. So she says yeah Calvin Klein like Michael Jay's character of his Clint Eastwood. No, no, no. Yeah, that's hilarious. No, it's his Irish. Seamus Oh, yeah. And Martin. Yeah, he's great. I totally forgot about it. He's great. Is great. Yeah. Maggie Oh, my God. Similarities. That's right. They're going to. Yeah, He's like, we use horses to know they got to use the train to get it up to 88 miles. Well, it's a nice way to the winter. We could roll down a steep hill. Yeah, Yeah. Monday though. The train sequence, though, I think is a very underrated moment of the trilogy. Yeah, that's what's fucking great. It's the longest of any of the. Well, maybe. No, no, I think it's probably is the longest big set piece that any of the movies have because the clock tower in the first one is pretty lengthy. The second one, the tunnel isn't that much, but that train sequence, there's so many moving parts because first they have to get it connected. And then again there's this simplicity of throwing like those logs in to make it go faster. So they're coordinated, right? Like yellow, green, red. If you think about it, though, the only reason they were able to catch the train is because Clara pulled the cord to stop it. Oh, yeah, Because she has the day. But no, she gets off, she runs back for. Yeah, yeah. So she I mean if she wouldn't have pulled the cord right, maybe they wouldn't have caught the train. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Good ending for everyone too. I love it. But at that point, it's like, just wait. The next train has already stopped, so I would urge stop mad dogs, you know, not to ruin the movie. Not to ruin the movie. That's not true. It's like, why would you why would you go right right there? Just right. If you watch Marty throughout all of three, he hates Clara. I think in the beginning he's a little, like, suspicious because he wants to take talk back and talk like I'm staying. So nice telescope. But. But, you know, if you really go back and watch all the side comments that he makes, every single thing towards Clara is negative and it's I've done this well he goes, bring Clara with us. Yeah it's like because even when when when when Marty's in the DeLorean where the train is being pushed and, and he's like, Doc, what's happening is like Claire series, like Clara was like, you know, the wind is here. You never heard Doc complain about having to take Jennifer all around in the future. Part two. But yeah, he's just such a bitch in the third is just like, we need to get out of here. I like the old words there he really is. Like, I think there's even a scene where, like, where Doc and Claire are like, by like, the fire at night and Marty's neck as, like, Doc, we got to go. Oh, yeah, let's go. Well, it's like the scene in which I listen, I love in part one when. When Lorraine follows him home, and then she's like, Yeah, talking to him in the garage. And Christopher Lloyd's like, Oh, he's like, just looking at him. Then he's like, he walks around the entire DeLorean, and as, like, Lorraine's just talking to him, like, super seductively, and then Christopher Lloyd just put his head down and he's like, I was just like, I'm over this shit. Oh, that's great. I think a man should protect the woman and looks like she's right. This is right. I got to agree. So when when the first one, when it's. When she's the booze. In the beginning. Yeah. We were meeting Crispin Glover and the what? Lorraine. What? Yeah. It's like it's all like alluding to the peeping Tom thing, because she said, What were you doing up in that tree, George? Right. Why? Why? He. It does like terrorism. That's what's funny. When you watch more movies like we're seeing so many of these things connect. Yeah, all these little Easter eggs connected, it works out. I mean, for like a PG for a PG movie that all the stuff in the car in the first one, they're right on the edge. But two is the most violent too. Yeah, because three three is violent, but it's like a it's like, it's a jovial it's like a movie western. But but three like from 85 with like Trump if it gets dark. Yeah. Is it like killed your dad. Yeah. Yeah. And then obviously in 55 Beth is just terrible. Yeah. Yeah he the whole confrontation Marty has with Biff at the dance in in the tunnel. He's just out. It's like a murder. Yeah, he's going to kill it. He's trying to kill bad guy. Like, especially. Like when you realize how angry Beth is when Marty has a clear get away and meets him outside the door, he's like, Yeah, let's settle this right now. And they're like, very close and chicken like that. You do see the rage in Beth's face? Yeah. This is like peak. I'm going to kill someone. Right? Right. He plays it so well. He does. You brought up a very interesting point. Here we go. Where are you going to segue into this, right? Yeah, I can do it. No, no, I can do it. I know. So we were talking about this movie, and there's some very, very clear parallels between Marty McFly and overall just parts of the element of the story, too. A very, very famous 1955 movie. Yeah. So I was on the plane out here and I had not seen Rebel Without a Cause in a very long time, like decades almost. And I'm watching it. And this chicken thing is being said all the time. And obviously I just watch all the Back to the Future movies to prepare for this part. And that's what sets James Dean off, is being called chicken. Like no one calls me chicken. He's got that iconic red jacket in the white shirt. And in part two, Marty is kind of dressed in the red shirt with the opposite. So there's definitely parallels there that the relationship with the parents is very similar. Like the mom in Rebel Without a Cause is tough. She runs the household and she's tough, not unlike Lorraine. And the dad is more of I didn't know this. Yeah, I mean, the dad the dad in Rebel Without a Cause is like wearing the apron. He's a pushover. Yeah, he is. And James Dean, like, resents his dad for, like, why are you cleaning this up on the ground? And it's. It's kind of like George. It's kind of like Marty resenting George for being a dad. I know there's a lot of parallels, so I would not have heard this. Heard? I've never heard Bob Gale answer a question about that. Well, I don't I don't know. This is something that could be speculation. Watching it. Yeah, but I mean, like like we said, it is he does go back to 1950. Everyone says the term chicken right wing rebel without a college took was filmed. So I think it's up to you. Yellow. Yellow. Yeah because I mean you say that a lot. I don't know I just saw parallels there and I thought it was really interesting to watch because I never even knew that. And I don't know if this was intentional by them at all, but it's definitely something I call it. I mean, it's kind of hard not to even with the chicken I the chicken thing, I think everyone, especially around that time period, knew what that was. Yeah, I agree. But for it to like set you off to where you're willing to risk your life because someone called you chicken. Well, that's that's why we go back to the beginning of this pilot and we think about what the arc of Marty McFly actually is. Is that by that? Because in the first one. In the second one, yeah. Every time he's called chicken he fucks up. Yeah. He's like, yeah. It's I think it's starting to say oh no. Because he says in the first some cosmic chicken in the first one. Well whatever it is, he reacts normally. I don't think so. Oh really. Because like he has no arc in the first one. No, no. But there's not even a chicken reference. I thought there was a chicken reference. At least What? Someone called him. I don't think so. Okay, maybe it not, in fact. Oh, boy. You mad about it? Load in too. There's a shitload to correct this of wrong, I'm sure this one. But either way, though, if you think about it though, that is the arc that he goes on. Because finally, when you get to that third one, he doesn't do it. That that's basically it. Right. Which is big art for Marty McFly. Big arc. Nobody calls me chicken needles. Nobody. No, it's carried over for decades with this. Barbie got like, who cares? Yeah, but can chicken take it? But anyway, I just I recognize that from Rebel Without a Cause, and I like that because the influence is like when I watch Back to the Future. I'm not. I know so many movies. It has influence. Yeah, it's been the template for like so much, but it really is like an original piece work. All three of them are. But I mean, they're showing inspirations. They have to from somewhere. Well, for sure, yeah. It wasn't that long ago, right. You know, but it really is one of those things now where you do watch it and it is timeless. Yeah. Oh yes, it does. Not even it's crazy because it doesn't feel dated. No, it's something even though I mean yeah, I don't and we were also talking part of what helps of that a lot is that the visual effects just still hold up. Yeah, they're still really good. I mean, flying cars. Okay. But I don't look at that and go like, Oh God, that's so 1980. The worst part of a whole person is the hand. And it's not even that that's true. Oh, yeah, true. But it's not bad. Yeah. No, I mean, I'll take it. It's whatever I get what they're trying to do. Yeah. So I some bad. The only one that ever gets me where that, the whole entire trilogy is the second one where Marty McFly throws that giant ashtray with the spikes at the chair and Biff dike ducks. It's a quick cut. It's a quick cut color. And you can. Yeah, you can just watch how far they go, because in part three, he's walking side by side with Seamus and it's like it's a good I mean, it looks obvious. Yeah. But it's a lot better than two. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So far. Yeah. They had, they had he was I mean obviously Zemeckis is like this pioneer visual effects and putting them into movies that we may not expect them. I mean back to the Future need some but he does that so well like putting it wasn't common to see the same actor on screen, like playing two characters at the same time. That was not common in 85. And I mean, they were just groundbreaking visual effects. It really again set the template for all this shit. And when you see the DeLorean, like the sparks fly and then it sets on fire like you don't, it doesn't take you out. No. That at all. That whole part one from when, like the whole dance is fantastic. But then it like the stakes for this race so much higher during the the clock tower scene. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because like, obviously the cord snaps. It's just this whole thing. It is like air after air happens. Yeah, Yeah. And it's obviously, you know, of course at the last second solution. Right. But it's just that whole that's like a whole ride in it and then, and you're waiting. It's like you what, You're just like, going uphill and you need this tension release. And he connects in right before it strikes. It's just, it's one of those hero moments. The school always helps. And he's like I said to you can see it like like you can see the moment where like the time, like the clock ticks. Doc is like, stuck. The music all of a sudden becomes heroic. And just the look on Chris release face, he's like the hero. I'm doing this and he wraps the thing around and starts doing it. And then you also have like again, like this simplicity. All that is, is because the chord reach will reach a tree. But he can't get this. Well, that's Sylvester re score too. And that's the score. Exactly. And then even when Marty on the other side, the car dies. Yeah, like you just have all of these things. And I feel like that scene where, like anyone that watches that movie, when all of a sudden the car just starts. Oh, yeah. And you see my he's like, oh, for no reason. For no reason. It just it just happens because sometimes that's how cars are like in this movie. But when there's nothing more like when you finally get that is the audience. Yeah. Fucking good. Go, go there. Oh, man. It's so I remember there was that. I want to watch it right there. You know, there was I remember the my my favorite theater in Los Angeles. We'll see if it still is the Egyptian. Yes, they did. They did a trilogy night. Oh. Oh, yeah. It was years ago. And you saw it in all three. Back to back to back. I go, you know, I went by myself. I took a ton of edibles and and I and I remember they last for the whole time. I remember. I remember. I think I yeah, I think during beginning of part three, I was like, should I, should I stay? I was falling asleep. And then I had to have this, but I ended up finally don't know what happened to like 4 hours of what I'm saying. I don't know what happened. I had a second wind and I was. I was in. I stayed. It was between like two and three. I'm like, Oh, I'm so tired. But I made it. But you must've been zonked for part one if you took that started at 7:07 p.m. until Harvard. All four movies take. Oh, my God. Wow. That's was a lot of fun. I can honestly like 1 a.m. lucky. Yeah, I got it. Sounds great. That's the time. Have you seen any? Oh, you did see one of the few. I've seen one. One in the theater a few times. I saw one at the Hollywood Bowl with a live orchestra. Yes, you did too. We were there for that then. But Tony. Yeah, this is what we're thinking of. This. What? Yes, We were there for the summer. Yes. Okay, so that's cool. That was what some movie look like at the Hollywood Bowl. Like there's a project. Well, can you, like, see, they have, like, one screen. They know one screen behind the orchestra and the two TVs. Yeah, they're signing shows, but it was mostly cheap ish. I thought that we were like, in the middle. I think we were up in this. We were kind of in the benches, but it was cool to have the orchestra with it. Yeah, that that was the thing. And now, like, and I'm tempted to go to New York City to see the musical. Really want to go see the musical? Musical? What, on Broadway or something that's like off-Broadway. But it was in London for like a year or two. Yeah, I didn't know this. It premiered in June. How do you do this on stage? They make new songs for it. Well, it's still like, how do you do the story? No idea. All right. Well, I'm not interesting. I would say you go see, I did pretty good in London. In the London did, good in the London. You know, now it's not in the New York City. More love. Yeah, I would say the scene we were talking about when when Doc and Claire were talking about Jules Verne. Yeah, that was a very, like, tender moment. Yeah, that's right. Tender moment. It's great. I actually, like. Like Claire on the horse. Yeah. Not, not the cliff part, but like, when she storms out of the doc's barn on the horse. Yeah, the train. She's just a really strong character because she comes from the nuts. Yeah, Like during the the fair, the party thing. No, she's. She's good. I love her. Yeah, I love great. Just great love for. And then Marty is just a great Clint Eastwood. I love that. I love how they show which which movie do they show in part two for a first. Yeah, for the first one, they show up. Yeah. For Fistful of Dollars. Yeah. Hot Tub. And then obviously a lot of stuff ties in. Yeah, that's what I mean. They're carrying those threads throughout. I love that. One of my favorite side characters and part three's the bartender. Oh yeah. Good days. Weeks. Make some wake up juice. Yeah, there's only have the one just the one. Part three. Man Seamus, I forgot all about that accent. It's hysterical. It's So what are you talking like? Yeah, I know. It's so good. It's good. No, it's. It's John. Biff is so mad Dog. Matt, are you just really good? Yes. Yes. Because he shoots Marty in the chest like he's dick. Yeah. I mean, again, not wrong, dude. You fucking murderer. Yeah, that would be one of my big selling points, is to go give three a chance. Like another chance? Yeah. If people haven't for a while. Because I really did think it held up. I was. It was just a lot of fun to watch it. I mean, to say, I guess one thing I want to say is that, you know, I watched all three of these in a row like last week, and then we had them on today just as we were getting ready. And it literally stopped us cold multiple times to sit down on the couch and watch scenes from it. And that is really special. We started with two, then we went to one like, doesn't matter what already Watchmen, there's not too many movies. We can honestly say this about where it's like, you can put this on any time, any time and it's fine. You just said you want to rewatch it like right now. I do, yeah. I want to find the time that's really, really special. Like, so I just want to calling out, you know, film, cinema, cinema lives. And I'm glad they're never going to do a fourth. Well They, they're very. Bob I'm, they're very adamant. They're just I think it's, they're like they're not going to let it happen unless both of them die so. Well, I mean, once they're both dead, we'll get a fourth one. Yeah, I'm in awe. I don't know if they do fourth or just rebooted because you can't bring anyone back. They'll be dead by then. They'll be too old by then. That's what I mean. Yeah. So if you do that. But at least we have this. These for now, nothing will ever harm the films nobody ever touched. For sure. A reboot? Yeah. And you said the I think the perfect word like this. These are special needs like because these are like for everything. We were talking about the beginning of the podcast where there's reasons to these movies shouldn't work, but they do. Particularly the first one. But they work because they are special. Yeah, they are that good. And there isn't. You can't it's not tangible like you can't put your finger on why it's so good, but it doesn't it doesn't make sense why it doesn't make sense and it doesn't matter. Right. And whenever anything comes across like that, in any type of art where you just forget and you just go on ride these movies, just take you there and it doesn't take much, you just start it and you're like, All right. Or you just you just love the chemistry between Doc and Marty which is a lot of everything. Yeah, you can just keep watching it. You just keep what you need. And there's so funny. Yeah, I follow everything like they like even when Doc in the second one is like when the universe skewed to this alternate reality, because the more you watch it, the more you pick up on little things. Yeah. And you're like, you up the IV. Okay, I get it. It's easy. It's a these are very easy movies, too. They're just so, so good. Do you like time travel? It's like a genre for movies. I do. Do you? Yeah. Do you like any better than this? You can call it. Oh, that's good. Time travel is one of the people. Like, I've always like Shane Cross Primer because it's so like, I've only seen that once. Maybe for seven grand. Fuck. It's like it's outline. Fuck yeah, I because they don't dumb the words down. It's hard words right now but I think the time travel like opening that door is so tough because yeah, we can people love to like pick these apart and like, how did this happen? How did that happen? Like the the Ryan Johnson one Looper, like a lot of people are like, yeah, how did it how is this how is this how is it okay? Yeah I mean it's it's okay. Yeah. So time travel for me. I can be I don't know. It can be tough. I don't like when people resort to it at the end and they go and like fix everything, send them like the time machine's great because it pulls a lot from the future, right? It does. It does. It does. Which is why it works. It's a time machine too. No one talks about it. No chance it There's a movie that I'm thinking of that there's no way that back to the Future, now that I'm thinking about it was not thought of when they were making it. And that's time after time from when it when was that made? That was me in the seventies. Mary Steenburgen was in that. I haven't seen that movie. I if I've seen that that has been ages. You remember what it's about a little bit. How how do they do the traveling though? So basically it's H.G. Wells. Yeah. Yeah. And he invents a time machine. That's right. And Jack the Ripper, it gets into it and goes, What goes into the future? And H.G. Wells goes to, like, stop him. What? And that. Yeah, that's the plot of the movie and it's fucking great. I remember watching TV all the time as a kid. Yeah, that's Malcolm. It was on. It was on as a kid. Malcolm McDowell is H.G. Wells and. And Oh, my God. I think his name is Jack Warner. Yeah, The guy from Teenage Mutant Turtles, too. I'm David Warner. David Warner. Scream two from the entire ten. David Warner? Yes, I would know. Great. He just had he played Jack the Ripper and he's so menacing. So basically he's going into the future to continue his serial killer right in ways And and Mary Steenburgen is one of the people that he's targeting. And H.G. Wells is like, not today. No, he doesn't say that. But that's basically it just to suggest. But I'm thinking about it and I'm like, there's no way that that wasn't in some way. Well, of course they did. Yeah. Because there weren't a lot of time travel movies before. Back to the Future. Yeah. What there was they had to have watch. Yeah. For reference, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Hell, yes. Part two Logan's Journey. Well, they did time travel in that one. I don't care. I still like three. They do. And part three is great. Part three. It was fun. Part three bass. The music is great. Maybe there was some real, real, real meaningful moments in that movie. There was. They worked really hard on it. Yeah. No, it was good. I mean, yet. I mean, Bogosian is a great sequel, but can love just because it's so different, it's because it's so different. So I learned about Ingmar Bergman from Yeah, from Johnny what you. McKellen And you know, Ian McKellen is last action hero. Oh, wow. The guy who plays Death is William. And I'm not going to give his last name. He's he's, he's in everything and. Charlie Yeah, yeah. When they play games. Yeah, they like to shoot. Yeah. You stole my battleship. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so you get so confused. He's like, what? The guy has it storms. All right, what else for? Back to the Future series. The fan culture behind it. It's still like I want to the documentary. Look at it. Oh, that's great. You liked it? I thought it was okay. I didn't know it was going to. I mean, it is an okay documentary if you want to know about the fan culture. Well, yeah. Or how Back to the future. Like I thought it was going to be like, about a making of and it's not. But yeah, I mean, this is like again, one of the most beloved movies. Like there are people who dedicate their entire lives like restoring these two eyes where you can see them all throughout L.A.. I did once. I was I think I actually think I was scouting locations for that. No, I was with you. We were scouting locations for There I go. And we saw one on that bluff. Yeah, Yeah. Got a picture. And he was really cool. Yeah. Yeah I personally think 1985 version of before when he's Donald Trump is even funnier now because of Donald Trump. Yeah sure. Sure. I think his character has more weight and is more ridiculous to me now, since I totally think that's fair. I think that's a good read to put on weight. He could have been doing that, too. He could have been what he was pretty much. He was around. He was always usually on a casino. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where it's like I think I said, I think there's a sign when he goes out there, he's watching. Like when he walks in the lobby, it's like smoking is required or you have to, you have to, you have to smoke when you're in there. Yeah. I love the nasty future in part two. I love that. All right, Mr. Fusion or no, Mr. Fusion. Mr. Fusion is great. Environmentally friendly. Yeah, exactly. Got it, Mr. Fusion. Because. Yeah, you don't need to tell me your name in Trash Trap Now appeals. Beer. Beer. Can I just. Why did you have to. Why did you have to pour out the beer and then dump the beer? Can It is the champagne of beer, is what I'm saying. He could have just dumped it all. He could have all you want to. He even had his finger over the top so someone didn't finish it. There was a lot of beer in all of this. I also I like, like the rooftop scene because it tells you confirms that before killed George, which we already knew. Yeah. And then he's like, yes, Same God. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. Jump off. That's when he, you know, jumps off. Oh, that's great. That's I love that. And he's like, Oh no. So we watched it here earlier. It's like the, the ending of to when Duquette zapped in the 85. No. Yeah. 1885 and then the Western Union guy shows up. Yeah I love that that's really it's just so cool told us delivered it this time. I love that. And they do. Then what is it when it ends in the road and then he comes running to you and ends up. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So this. Yeah. That's, Yeah. And also it's like he's like you're not thinking fourth dimensional. He's like, those Indians won't even be there. Yeah. What was it like drive like, I love it. And then they were there, which is hilarious. I love it. I love having a heart high. That car. And I like that cave, and it's unlocked There, there. But it's. Yeah, it's good. It's just all of it. This is so and even, like, you see, like, there's, like tiny things that, like, you'll notice like when they're at the, in three, when they're at the train station looking at the map on the wall, when it's shown ash ravine and you see Claire in the background like waiting and looking for Doc as Doc promised the mare to pick her up and doesn't do it. See, I'm going to pick her up. She won't be that she won't exist in my life, I'm going to pick her up. Right. But she's like, in the background waiting for someone. You could see her, but they don't see her. Right? And I see they segway and catcher. Yeah. Yeah. You're really smart to plan all that stuff. It's not I mean if you because these are so fun and special it's why would you watch them like take the piss out of them and try to figure them out And the train. She's great. That's what I mean. Like it doesn't the all the goofy so. Well like it doesn't. Yeah. The biggest part when they're like fuck it is when he makes the train time machine which I'm totally fine with, but it's just it's just so it's just so ridiculous where you go back to future. Nope. Already been there. Oh the end end of three where they end the train literally like the train is the time it runs on steam. I mean, if you think about it, it sort of negates the whole entire arc of dock in a way, because docks, whole entire thing is basically when he makes it, he wants to destroy it. So instead of that, he just is like, no, no. But it's also been like eight years for them because his kids are like, I mean, they're Jules Verne younger. You're younger. So what, you mean they're still they've been around for seven or eight years, so he's spent that long making it. But I just love the whole and I love how he like, slides them the hoverboard and they like they skate off the in into love. And then Marty obviously gets back in the time machine is destroyed because it needs to be that's where it needs to be. Needs to be Yeah. To do these and then but yeah it's, it's great because there was is I never I've never seen it but there was like a short lived cartoon that I remember that, that was like yeah, there was a particular future cartoon. I mean obviously they got rid of the right at Universal Studios and replace it with The Simpsons one. And that was like recent. I remember that. That's a big deal. Ten years, maybe 15. They replaced it. I've never been on it. Unfortunately, I don't either. It's, uh. I'm trying think of any other stuff in the trilogy. That's. I mean, there's just so much that we could be here forever talking about it. Do you think we're reaching a time now as time goes on, where the young people today are unaware of this movie? I mean, that's it's a huge conversation we talk about all the time. Like, do young people even give a shit about movies anymore? Like, does it? I, I think with this one, if this movie lives on, it's like if I had a kid right now and when that when he or she turns, I don't know, seven, eight, nine what can I show them? This would be one. I'm like, Oh yeah, this is good to show. Like, these are fun. So that is if it still lives on, it's probably because of that. The parents are showing their kids parents who grew up on these movies. But I mean, I don't know, I, I do too. I think these will live on forever. And I think younger generations, because it's at that point, I think in time where, yes, the special effects are old, but they're not old enough to be like, oh, this terrible, they're not that bad. And that's why it holds up so well. Well, Nick knows what I'm going to say, that the special effects in the current Marvel movies are worse. Sorry. They are like, I can see streaking. I can see. I mean, that's a whole other thing. But I talk about this a lot, that they look like you're like, Oh yeah, This movie was made in 1985. And then if you have that context going in your head, wow, this is really impressive. I just do it. Like, for me, that is time. Have movies now? Yeah, like that's how I phrase it part. They're, they're great now. They're just Yeah, they, they're fun. They're just so it's almost 40 years old. I know. The first one which means I'm almost 40 years old. Gives a year of fucking Bourne. And what a life you shot by Terry. You talking with When you read this, you will be shot. Okay. You're going to go first year since you already kind of spoil it. I want rankings. And then just a quick brief or however long of an explanation you want to tell about why you're ranking that way. Okay. One, three, two. I think two because because of the future, I don't I just I and also I just know they're all great movies. We're like, yeah, we're we're being. I just I just yeah, I mean, obviously four first one is the best because it is the best and Yeah but three I just think is it's it's such a breath of fresh air. Yeah. It's just like it's, it's the most original after the first two. Kind of like recycling the same stuff. Right. Like, I mean I, I don't want see that a third time. No I get it. I thought yeah it's the most fresh keeps and it keeps true to form. Yeah. The entire time. And it's just it is builds on Doc and Marty's relationship. Yep. Like it gets a point the and we're like they, they both, they say each other's phrases which Yeah yeah it's so Marty says great God. And then yeah like I know this is heavy and it's just so and they know it's silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's great. I love that you neck ranking top middle, bottom one, three. Easy, easy. Okay, I like it. The reasoning is, I think back to the future. One is just. It's just a magic. Yeah, it's just a certain thing that I just. You just can't. Can't quantify why that movie is just so good. Everything works. Everything work. There are few movies when everything worked. Don't know when they were making it, but the final product, everything works. Everything works. And as many times as I've seen it, it's feels like the first time I'm laughing. It's like we were laughing at is off today. Replay value total Totally. It's one of those. That's one of those. Like if someone asked me if there was a movie on TV that you turned on and it was on, would you sit down and watch it? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, Oh yeah. We were at this scene where all three of them are actually like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. But that first one, like again, like I'm, I'm saying this throughout the whole entire pod. All I want to do is rewatch that clocktower scene because every time I watch it, I'm on the edge of my seat, right? As if I was watching it for the first time. Yeah, to I love the future stuff. Yeah. And I just love the way that it goes to your point like that. It, it goes in to itself. And I remember as a kid watching that one time where he's following the magazine of the Ooh la la. Yeah. And then he all of that work to find out that he got bamboozled. Yeah, exactly. And put then right from the window he sees like George about it's like dark. Yeah. Like my old man's about to punch out before and you're seeing you're like, Wait, I know this. You're going to get the difference. It's different. Perspective is great. Yes, Yes. That's what I love. And then when you rewatch the first one, you can think of like, Wow, this moment's happening. There, there. Yeah. Marty in another universe is in a leather jacket with a happy like, Oh, it's so it's just a trip. It's just. It's a complete mindfuck, but not in, like, a way that's confusing. In a way, this is enjoyable. And the third one, it's not because I think it's the worst. I don't, I don't I'm not going to use that word, but I just, I, I, I just it just comes last. Yes, I'm at second. Someone has and that she's the one that does. But I love the third one. I love it, love it, I love it. Yeah. I love them. All my rankings. Two on three two. He loves to. I knew both of you. Dan, I like hoverboards. Well, newsflash fucker. They don't exist. I know they don't. I thought it was so bad. Oh, no, it's just. It's only for nostalgia, because I. I don't have many memories of watching the first one, like, on TV, too. I just. I feel like I watch it, like, every week or something. It was just on all the time. And it is for the reason of that going into itself and going back. And that was a movie really early on that I investigated a lot and scrutinized lot and did that actually went back to one and it's like, oh, that's where they would be in that other universe. That's cool. They're back there. So yeah, I mean, I'm not we're not taking none of us are taking away from any of them. All know all that. So if you think about it though, you really think about it all three or does one long movie. It kind of is. Yeah. So it would cut together as a five and a half hour movie. I like. He did color you. No, I just it just works because it's the core 85 timeline. It takes place over the course of like two or three days. Right. But obviously they're just jumping around. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Isn't that nice? You know, he's like, in the pack in the first one. He's like that for, like, almost a week. And then it's just. Yeah. And they're and technically, if you really want to really that idea there is sleep that does happen in between all those because there's like because there's days in back to the future one where where Marty and George are like formulating how they're going to go. They go to school. Yeah. And then even in the beginning of the third one, Marty's sleeping in Doc's house. So if you really kind of cover like the time ground of everything. So we have more fun. Yeah, it'd be a lot for me. It's been done. Yeah. Yeah, Some somewhere on the internet has done it, but yeah, it's. That's why it fits is like it's one long ass movie. Right. Right. I love that. That also speaks well to it considering, you know, they were made years apart. I mean they're two and three. Yeah. The first one look like Is that something you guys ever think about when you're watching movies is the amount of sleep that characters are getting? People don't take enough shits. And that's what I usually think of bathroom. I'm like, when women's bathroom no one use the bathroom. It's room six. Sorry. Spoiler. Well, I mean, that's also like going if it's a tight narrative and it's like, you know, we're only covering a day early, but we're probably like 12 hours, I think of that or like food. Sometimes I'll be like, you know, where, where's that? But also, if you apply that to every movie, you're just gonna have a fucking. Oh, yeah, it's true. It's true. But sometimes I think, yes, it is. I want to sleep the sleeping I'll track because I'm like, Wait a minute, we've been with you for a while. And like, when does this happen? Like, we haven't seen you sleep at all. Yeah, sometimes Not every movie, but sometimes. Yeah. And I think we can assume, like, you know, when. When movies turn from day to night. Yeah. You know, obviously when there's a cut. Right. Time is passed. Yeah. So bathroom breaks, you know. Yeah. So things, things are moving in that way. But if you're looking at like when you're really covering like, like two or three days, like this is all I thought about it when it's in one sleep. Yeah, I know. There's times, times where people are sleeping. I definitely thought about that in Babylon when like Margot Robbie leaves. That already be on set in 3 hours. Yes. So I'm like, Jesus, these people, when were they sleep? What were they doing? And that's what I was ever. She just didn't. Yes or no. She woke up on the bed. Yeah, but she goes home and like, sleeps for like maybe 90 minutes. She knew hours she nap. Same with Brad Pitt. He's absolutely hammered and then wakes up and like, has to go and just gets hammered again. It's raining again. I love how you always remember. Bring it back to Babylon. Fucking rocks or fucking does. I feel the Visa motherfucker type type of this funny. Oh, All right. Back to the future. We did it. This is a lot of fun. I mean, you could just go on and, on and on about these. You know, I didn't even describe it. The movies were about, you know, probably the first ten. Yeah, that's probably the first time we've done it, because hopefully everyone knows, right? And you can just take go back in time and tell yourself to do that. To do that. Well, that's what we have all the time. The world. We only have a time machine. The time machine. It's another. What are you watching here? I'll go first this time. Fuck. Fuck you too. Where you want to go first? Now? All right, fine. I'm going first because someone fucking spoil mine. Saving it to bring up all my cool points to the end. Rebels out of cause. 1955. Nicholas Ray want you to go check it out If you haven't seen it in a while or if you've never seen it. Great movie for any number of reasons. Iconic. And yeah, when I was watching it on the plane out here, I definitely saw parallels and it wasn't like I was looking for them. It wasn't like I'm going to put on Rebel Without a Cause because it's reference in back to the future too. But I do think there's some stuff they're also good movie very rebels out. Of course the movie makes iconic use one of my favorite places in L.A. Griffith Griffith Observatory. I loved going there when I lived here and it's just, oh, it's so good. And I mean, I know, you know, it's a pretty obvious one. Can't really shoot there either anymore. I don't know. I feel like something big. I know that. Really? Like Adele special. Oh, Silverlake did. I think you can still do it. I think they let you up there to do it, especially at night, because it's closed at night. So I think they'll let you. Okay. I was wrong. I didn't know what was wrong. I didn't post. Okay. Rob Dean said, All right, the has to go last. You. What are you watching? What are we watching? What are you watching? I'm thinking about Michael J. Fox. Okay. And I'm thinking about my second favorite Michael J. Fox movie. Dare to say it. I hope so. I don't know. I'm going with a very obscure Christmas movie. No life with Mikey. Never seen it. Oh, my gosh. I don't know what teen y go with Teen Wolf. No, no. I thought you were going to say Frighteners. Oh, Oh, that would been that would have been even better, right? Yes. Oh, my God. Peter Jackson. All right. Well, always right. Peter Jackson. Peter, what is it of your pain? Are you switching? No, I just stick with life with Mikey because now I seen life with Mikey in so fucking long. That one was on all the time, too, On TV. That was the movie I grew up with. That was one of me and my mom's favorite Christmas movies. I've never even heard of that. Yeah, Yeah. It's a really fun movie. He's he plays a a young kids like talent in New York City. And Nathan Lane is is, is, is, is his like his, like his partner. Okay. And then he basically has to he's in charge like this. She's not an orphan, but she's she's a troubled kid. Yeah. Okay. It's very light. It's not it's not heavy. And it basically he like he, like, takes her in and, like, tries to get her jobs. He lives with her. And it's a very sweet, very fun, very light, very just sweet movie. And I think actually some of Michael J. Fox's best work it is. It makes me want to go rewatch it. I have not seen that for so long. I mean, literally probably since like the early nineties. I don't think I love that I love that it's a good one. But The Frighteners to Frighteners is awesome. Deleted scenes in The Frighteners where it's on YouTube. But Hill the older ghost in the older whoever the older Ghost is, I can't remember in the movie but oh yeah, it's so that's our army, isn't it? So this army from Full Metal Jacket. No, no he is in it. He is like an old prospector ghost. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I forgot the guy's name, what he calls him. But in the movie, Michael J. Michael J. Fox is so fresh off Back to the Future. He. There's a deleted scenes where he keeps accidentally calling that character Doc, and he's like, Oh, fuck. And he like home, like, because he just carries over from. Yeah, sure. Ectoplasm. It's all right. Oh I love The Frighteners, but the guy from Re-Animator is in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, that. He's one of the best characters in that movie. No, no. When you say all your pain, what is he? She's like my body. The vet, when he opens. Yeah. He's a road map of pain, controlling the car, the power of my mind. It's just like favorite Peter Jackson. So kids love that movie. I love that. Oh, Fox is so good. User. What? What are we watching? Everything. Everywhere. All at fuck. You don't know. I'm kidding. Locked down. Get the fuck. Yeah. Oh, that was. No, you know, I honestly I was going to say I was going to say Black Hawk Down, but I really want to say because I. I thought of it when you mentioned Marty or Michael J. Fox and I think clue. Oh, good one. Yes. Christopher Lloyd is in it. It's not 85 as well. It's maybe I mean, yeah. So that's like but it's just it's a cast, it's a stacked cast. It's so funny when you want to What's funny about that? I hadn't seen that until two years ago. I know why I rented it or, you know, I just I, I don't know. It's it's one of the. It's one of the greatest comedies ever. Yeah, I of course, I had always heard of it. I don't know. I just missed it. I miss it and scope it. I like a huge list of these movies I miss and I have to go check off, and that was one that I loved. It's in the film, a bunch of different endings for the well, the one you saw. She had three, right? Right. Yeah. Well, when they when they when they saw when they screened it, they would play different and that's what I'm thinking it would be random. So you don't know what you get, which doesn't make sense at all. Not really. But it's, it's perfect because the fact that they did that is yeah, it's crazy. I mean the studio let them do three cuts. Yeah. And it's like roulette what goes out there. Yeah. That's what everyone see. Yeah. I mean I would to see the movie. You got to see it multiple times, right. Right. Oh, that's great. We call it Good call. It makes me want to rewatch. I love it. Great. Sounds great. MARTIN All right. So thankfully, Madeline Kahn is like, she's great. You like her and Paper Moon, remember? Oh my last movie? No, Paper Moon 73. Is it? So she's she was what? She was like, one that I would just love to keep seeing more movies. Yes. So incredibly hilarious lover. So so we are we got back to the future. Everyone. Good. Anything left? Tell us what you think about Back to the Future. One, two or three. Give us your rankings. Want to know what our Twitter followers how they ranked these movies? Let us know. AIW I'm talking Daniel and this is my sign off my bit. I want to leave you can start over. I want you to leave the house. Let us go to the floor. 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