67: Nope (2022), Alex on BBC Live, Summer Reviews

The guys discuss Alex’s appearance on BBC Radio 5 Live, Jordan Peele’s “Nope” in IMAX, an awkward encounter before "Thor: Love and Thunder," Christopher McDonald’s first Emmy nomination (!), Tarantino’s final film, 2022 summer movies, and much more.
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Hey, everyone, welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex with their own. I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How you doing there, Jean jacket. Oh, I'm excited to be here. Big time. This is this. It's your big time today, baby. That's a Nope reference. Jordan Peele's new movie, which we're going to talk about today. We're going to get to that. I just wanted to ask to hop on here and talk about new movies. We've been seeing new TV shows, just whatever new stuff that's going on, kind of since like Top Gun Maverick, because a lot of people have been asking me, you know, have you seen no put you think we've seen the gray man? What do you think? We'll talk about it and then I add it up. All the movies, all the new stuff I've basically seen since Top Gun, Maverick. And I'm like, all right. This is a supremely random collection of films that I guess we could just talk about it. Maybe people are interested in what we have to say about some of this stuff, but that's all this is. We're just checking in, you know, a lot of the watching we do is for the podcasts, like specifically for our episodes. But I also am obsessive and see like most things, most every thing. It's not an issue at all. And, you know, this is just a good reason to be able to talk about it. So that's what we're doing here. How do you feel about it? I'm excited, man. I'm excited. I'm excited to ask you about these movies like these are the movies of the day that for the most part that we are talking about today. And I know that you have opinions on all of them and I want to hear them. We usually try to keep things, you know, nice and positive where we're trying to promote movies, good movies, who want people to see them. Some, you know. But that's also why we don't focus on too many, like brand new movies. Yeah. So today, you know, it's just going to be will be a little bit all over the place. Not everything today is going to be a glowing review. But I think, you know, we will have some things to add. You know? Yes, we do. We highlight we are very, very specific about the movies that we are really trying to get other people to see the movies from the past that may have gone, you know, under the radar or forgotten about or just need to be rediscover it. But by doing that, we cannot ignore the climate of the day. Yeah, these are the movies of our time, good or bad, we have to acknowledge that these are here. And what's the takeaway in from our particular perspectives? Yes, absolutely. First, we're going to get into we're going to have a little story time here. Like I still I can't believe this happen. People who follow us on Twitter will know, like, what I'm about to go into. But for those of you who don't, wow, this is just nuts. So today's Saturday, we're recording this. On Wednesday, I was on BBC Radio five Live Live Radio show on the BBC talking about Paul Sorvino and Goodfellas and the like. It was just, Oh, my God, it was nuts, man. It was nuts. I still can't believe it happened the way this all came to be. Is that a so I'm just sitting here working. I get an email on Tuesday, it just pops up and it's a producer from BBC Radio five Live with host Colin Murray. And I'm like, Who the hell is this? I thought it was spam. They're inviting me on like right away. Not, Hey, we want to vet you. And I'm like, What? What is happening? What is this for? So obviously the great Paul Sorvino recently passed away, and we were just talking about him so much on the Goodfellas part, because Ray Liotta just passed away. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And in his passing, this producer apparently just went on the Internet and tried to find as many articles on Paul Sorvino as she could. And eventually she came across a blog post I wrote about him in 2015, and according to her, she said of every article I've read about Sorvino today, yours is the most passionate like you care about him. His work on what seems to be a very personal level. And I'm just and she says all this in the email I'm like, okay so I did like download WhatsApp to be able to talk to her because she's in London, she was Irish, she was just a total Oh my God, she was so nice. And we have, you know, a pre interview and I'm like, okay, this is actually going to happen. Like, this is crazy. So then she gives me some topics that might be discussed. We went over like eight movies that he was in, so I figured one of those eight like I knew Goodfellas is going to be brought up, but like one or two of those eight would be brought up. But other than that, it's just, you know, just talking points that I have because I know it's going to be about 10 minutes long. I don't know how he's going to lead me in. I don't you know, this is my first ever, like, live interview that it's it's just crazy and it's happening really, really fast. So day of on Tuesday, another producer calls me. They're vetting me. You probably to make sure I'm not like, you know, a nut job or something. And then it's like I'm going to go live. And they call me 30 minutes before. And there's I can like hear the live feed on my, in my headphones that the producer's coming in like 10 minutes. FOX Cheers, mate. Oh, shit. And it's like 5 minutes now. It's two cheers, mate. I'm like, Oh, shit. So, you know, I'm just like, I'm listening to the show for 20 minutes and I'm doing like some deep breathing exercises. I'm not really nervous. I'm just like, Ah, all right, this is real. And the day was weird because we're, you know, we're recording at 430 and it just I had to work. It dominates my whole day. It's like the only thing I'm thinking about. I'm like, What? Paul Sorvino stuff haven't I seen? I'm just doing all this stuff. And then I went for a walk like 45 minutes before the show was supposed to go on. And I'm like, I've worked on this a lot in my life. You know, I'm not very good at this, but I just kind of went for a walk and was like, Hey, man, if there's one thing you're good at in life, it's talking about movies like that that you like. You know this about yourself. So just chill. It's all good. It's going to be 10 minutes. And so I just tried to carry that into it. You know, I wanted to be positive, I wanted to be upbeat. But the thing that I was kind of nervous about is how is he going to lead me in? Like, you know, I knew you talk about Goodfellas and my goal was to mention the pot at least once, but it had to be organic. I didn't want it to sound all hacky and shit. So we begin and I'm going to post a link like in episode description for this episode and everything about so you can listen to it. It's like 10 minutes long we start, it's going well and we're talking about Goodfellas and I'm like, Okay, cool. And then I'm trying to paint a bigger picture of who he was. So I mentioned that he's an opera singer and a sculptor, and immediately Colin like latched on to the sculptor thing and starts talking about all this sculpture stuff. So if you listen to it, when you hear him talking about sculptures and how Paul Sorvino has a sculpture in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where the office is said, I'm like shitting bricks going, I think he's going to lead this off to be like, I think he's going to pass this to me and want me to pick up the sculpture thread. And I got no, no more for sculpture. So it's so there's a lot of quick thinking like that going on again. It's going very fast, but I'm just trying to take it nice and easy. And then at the end it was great because he starts meditating. Paul saw Vito's daughter and in my pre-interview with the producer, we talked a lot about how Paul Sorvino, his daughter Mira Sorvino, won the best supporting actress Oscar in 1995. It's a great Oscar moment, so I'm 100% confident that's what he's telling me up for. And then he zags. It starts talking about his other daughter, Amanda, who I've never heard of, and this animal sanctuary. It was like, Oh, shit, I have no idea what he's talking about. So I just, you know, tried to own it and laugh it off. It was a really cool piece of trivia. So I just wanted to give a little insight into what was going on in my head. But it was very it was very cool. So really surreal that it happened. And a lot of people reached out to me about it, which is really nice. So yeah, again, I'll post the post the link in the episode description here and it's on our Twitter if you go on our Twitter. But yeah, it was nuts. And it was fantastic. It was a really, really well-done interview on both of your parts. It felt like you guys, it was great. Felt like you guys had known each other for years. Everything that you said was interesting and and well-spoken. I mean, imagine that you well-spoken. I'm going to try to give you my compliments, too, to to stroke that ego. But no, man, it was it. I couldn't have been more proud too seriously. Like I was listening to it live and it was really, really well-done on your part. Like, I know it had to be nerve racking. Yeah, but you carried yourself, like, how you do here. It's it was natural, it was informative, it was enthusiastic. It had everything that you your passion for film, movies and for everything for this actor that you were paying tribute to shine through on everything. Yeah, man, it was great. It was. And you represented. What are you watching? Like hell. Yeah. To the. Extreme. It was fucking great. That was when I was able to, like, weave it in. I went, All right, here's my end. And, you know, it's I've never done live radio, but I've listened to so many interviews. I know to keep it, like, interesting but concise, like, don't ramble. He's got me in a ten minute block here and try to get, you know, as many things as many topics can be brought on as possible. But, you know, it was just it was, again, the the rush of the unexpected rush of support that followed it, including you calling me like right after it was really you know, a lot of the surprises in my life have not been that fun. You know, we've all had not fun. Surprise is right. And it's just nice when you're completely blindsided by something so positive. There was nothing remotely bad about it. Anything that could have been bad about it would have been in my head first. Like there's always. Yeah. You know, I'm I'll get a little real like I know because of my chemical wiring that on the day of something like that or on my wedding day or any quote unquote like big deal day like that for good reason, I am going to get hit and it will feel like a ton of bricks of sadness that my mom's not here to share it with me. And that just comes with the territory. And it happened. I was at the gym Wednesday morning and I'm like, Oh, so now you're going, okay, now we're going to cry like lifting weights, but okay. And you know, you just like take a few minutes to yourself and then process that and then, you know, funnels it out and that was it. And I got to talk to my aunts, my mom, sisters about that very thing. So that was cool. But that's what I mean. Like the only bad thing that could have happened from it is stuff that I would have created in my own head, like being nervous or something. And ultimately you just kind of like, you know, you just got to chill, don't curse, sort of get them. Oh, that's the way I was going to focus. Yeah, they, I mean, they didn't say that, but I, you know, they even included a clip from Goodfellas in the beginning, and it has like six F-bombs there, you know, bleeping them out now and. All right. Yeah, that's a that's a good reminder. Don't curse. I mean, you're generally pretty good. I'm the one that with the fucking potty mouth here, I just even said I don't even know when I say fuck off like fuck just comes out. I actually curse way more. No, you. You don't think so? I think I curse way more. Not real. I don't know. You know, I curse a lot in real life, like, all the time. I dumb it down on this podcast because I know, like, my dad trebly members listen to it. I mean, I'll curse from I don't get fuck. Hey, dad. Yes, but I must say. I remember when we first started, we tried to check ourselves with that and then it was we. Weren't going to curse at all. Yeah. And then. Yeah. And then somewhere down the line we were like, Fuck it, it's over now. Well, once I called you a fucking asshole, that 1973 podcast is like cracking voice. Oh, we did a way before that. I'm totally going to loop in that clip. It's been a while. You're fucking useless. I took you to the fucking Georgetown and I was like, Look, dude, this is where he fell down. Holy shit. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. But it was all over. It was all over at that point. So, yes, Paul Sorvino, rest in peace. I went on I had about 26 hours from when she contacted me to when we went live. I was watching stuff for our upcoming pilots just to push all that aside. And it's like, all right, Paul Sorvino binge right now. Yeah, I need to rewatch at least his scenes from the movies we mentioned. And I did that for all the movies we mentioned except one. And we'll move on after this. But I mentioned that the producer and I talked about like eight Paul Sorvino movies that could come up Goodfellas. I put it number one. I know he's going to mention that. And then I had them like a loose ranking of what I think he might bring up all the way at number eight was The Gambler is all the way down there. I had no idea he was going to go there with it. And he did. And that was I loved it. I hadn't rewatch it. I was like, All right, cool. I got to All right, let's do it, pick it up. And it was it's exciting. Like it was a lot of very, very fast thinking. I can't imagine doing that for a living. That's crazy. Is so fun, though. So fun. Well, in the spirit of this great interview, which by the way, like all the followers of What are you watching? We will post a link, check out this interview. It is Alex doing his thing at his best. So it really, really is a cool deal. It's a cool deal for us as a pod. It's a cool deal for you personally. And it's a big deal for me as your friend. Like, I like literally can't tell you how proud I was of it, but. Oh, thank you. Oh, you're welcome, man first. Cousin first. Yeah, fine. First cousins, deep reference. If anyone actually got that, call us out. But in the spirit of this great interview, I figured I would take the reins and interview you a bit on the movies of today. So we just picked a hand. Let's do it, because I know you've seen them and we're just going to kind of get into it. All right. So let's start with probably the biggest movie being talked about right now in theaters. It just got released. Nope. Jordan Peele's. Nope. Talk to me. No. Yeah. Great line title line deliveries in this movie. Great. You know, it's I know it's an easy title, but they're every time they deliver, it is perfect. So it's. Hmm. We've never had a proper Jordan Peele discussion on this. We have this. And part of the reason of that is because, oh, boy, I like every movie he's made. I do. I appreciate certain things about them. They they are all gorgeous. They're all extremely competently made and well-acted. None of them have ever fully landed for me. And there's pretty specific reasons for both. I'll go through this quickly because again, I'm not here to, like, talk shit. I'm all good for the acclaim. Get out, got Oscar win Oscar nominations. All good. I know we've never talked about this on the pod the like 15 minutes into that movie. I'm not going to spoil it in case some people haven't seen it. It was so obvious to me what was happening, and I called it out like just right there. And I had no idea that they were going to save that as like the final twist and it was so everything about it not like the switching, the brains, you know, not that stuff but the intention of everyone was so obvious to me and I was I was stunned that it just wasn't. It seems like that movie fooled a lot of people. And I'm not someone who just because I watch a lot of movies doesn't mean I can, like, call every movie shot 15 minutes. And it's not that it's the same thing that happened with the Village with M Night Shyamalan. 10 minutes into that movie, I went, Oh, I bet it's blank, blank, blank. And it was that. And when you we've talked about this aspect of it, when you call a movie that early and then it ends up being like, that is the twist to the movie. And then like, that's it. I go, Oh, oh, okay. Like I'm glad everyone else really liked that, but I've, I've seen stuff like this a lot before and it just didn't, it didn't really surprised me or wowed me in the way it seemed to most everyone else. And that's fine. That's just, it's just my opinion. And to be and to be fair to you and me as well, when it comes to movies like this, we really do not go into these movies looking for that twist. What's it you know, some people clamor for that. Like they go in like, oh, I'm going to try and figure it out. There's like an intention as an audience to go into a movie trying to solve it. We don't ever do that. No. Even if the movie does present itself like that, we understand that we're about to watch a movie that does this. Sure. But it is a problem if you do end up, you know, in your head being like, ah, I bet you this is how this is going to go. And we've talked about Jordan Peele's movies. You've done this for every single one of them. Yeah, that's it. So that leads me right to us. Awesome. Like, okay, I thought that movie started so strong, so effectively. And then essentially once they leave their house, which is about an hour into the movie, I thought it just completely fell apart. And I was like, The thing still looks good. The thing Lupita Nyong'o in a dual role is great in it. I love her so much. The acting is on point. It has a lot of good aspects about it. But similarly, again, I'm not going out looking for this stuff. There is a twist that happens in like literally the last scene, the last shot of that movie. I thought that was so obvious. I called that like 15, 20 minutes in to the movie. And I just had I mean, I leaned over to Ali and like, I did the thing where I was like, Oh, and she goes, What? And I went, Oh, nothing. I think. And she's like, Just tell me, tell me. So I told her what I thought was going to happen and she was pissed when that. Did. Happen. But that was so obvious to me. Like they, they almost spell it out for you, like my daughter. I just want my daughter back. I'm like, oh, so okay, the blank, blank, Mike, like, I get this. And no, I intentionally am not doing this when I see movies. I'm not trying to get ahead of them. I'm trying to stay in their in their lane, on their journey and not jump ahead. That doesn't make it fun for me. But so I've been like I have appreciated Get Out and us. I do have questions about both about you know, it's still really interesting to me that both of those movies in their third acts have incredibly long winded explanations as to why everything is happening, which, like when we were growing up, it was always a joke that you don't do that. Like it's a joke class action hero. Like you got caught talking about that. Yeah, Billy got caught at the end. It's like, I mean, yeah, even in The Incredibles, he's like, you call me Monologuing. So that was always very curious to me, like, Hmm, this is weird that he feels a need to go into so much detail. But ultimately what I realize is that he's making movies. I don't think for people my age or older necessarily, I think he's using influences that we grew up on. Yeah. And now he's making movies based on those. And this is a sign of just getting older, I suppose, because this is the first time this is really starting to happen. Like stuff that I watched growing up that was original. He is starting to use those things, so that's why a lot of it feels familiar to me. But to new viewers, it won't feel familiar. Yeah, and that's how film goes. Like the movies I started out watching were probably took influences from something else. Goodfellas took influences from Jules and Jim. So there's always something to trace it back to. And this is why I'm not, like, out there criticizing his films. And this has been a very long lead up to Nope, this is all to say. I saw Nope the day it came out and I thought it was good. Not perfect, but I do think it is his best film yet and his most interesting, and I'm probably going to be alone in that. And that's okay because it took me a week to arrive at this point. So the acting is universally great. Daniel Kaluuya, Keke Palmer and Holy Christ Michael Win Cut. I'm mentioning this a lot because of you, because of the use of Michael Winnicott is what makes me appreciate Jordan Peele as a director. Any fan of Michael Wingard as we both are, we know how he can best be you not saying like, Oh, we can dictate his career. I love every Michael cop performance, but sometimes he is underused and underutilized, which is not his fault. It's the scripts fault. Jordan Peele in Knope knows exactly how to use Michael when cut like exactly. There's a scene when Michael when God gets a phone call and he's at home, he's like reviewing some old nature footage. And what looks like his home editing bay and the compositions of his coverage in this scene are absolutely fucking stunning. And the camera's just sitting there. It's production, design, cinematography. It almost it damn near knocked the wind out of me. Just the placement camera placement, timing of cuts. When you go in for the close up when cut still performance. His voice I mean he knows how to use that voice so so well so when I did see Knope opening night, I kind of left with a shrug. I was like, I enjoyed my time with that, but I don't know if I'm going to see it again. This is true of Get Out US and nope, I do not research movies before I see them. Like I didn't know shit about this. I know Jordan Peele made it. I hadn't seen a trailer, nothing. I did not realize that the cinematographer was Hoyte Van Reutemann, who shot the film largely on IMAX 65 millimeter film. And I live pretty close to a massive IMAX screen. So last night I figured, What the hell? I'll just go check it out. I mean, why not? It seems like they're pitching this as an experience and holy fuck, if you are a fan just of movies, of cinema, of the art form, you really have to treat yourself to this. I don't even know if, like, I can talk to you. Like, I don't even know if you're going to like the movie fully. But I swear to God that no one captures open spaces skies, clouds, mountain landscapes, outer space better than void of enjoyment. Right now he's quickly is emerging as one of our top three or four best cinematographers. I mean, this is his last ten years, her interstellar spectra, Dunkirk ad astra tenet. Nope an up in timer, which looks nuts. That's the last decade. It's like I cannot put enough emphasis on how good looking this movie is. Everything about it and seeing it, literally seeing it last night in IMAX with the sound like all around you, it was a completely different experience. And it's not one that I think will translate at home as effectively, even on a huge TV. And that I sound like go seeing this in IMAX is really, really going to be worth it. But a long way of saying that the cinematography is definitely the best aspect of this movie to me. And if it doesn't, I mean, it would be it would be criminal if this is not nominated for the Oscar for cinematography fucking criminal. It looks great. It just does. I'm so glad that you told me that because I probably would not have gone to see this in IMAX. But now upon knowing this, that's exactly what I'm going to do. The movie just looks so good that I was willing to forgive things that I didn't. You know, I had some questions and everything added up to me. Fine, whatever. I'm not even describing what the movie's about because it is like a discovery. You need to go. If you seen the preview, you're going have some idea, but go enjoy it on your own. But really just appreciate the scope of how he captured all this like it is. It is a fantastic looking film like what I think is the best looking film of the year and what the academy will nominate is very different. Like I thought, Vortex was an amazing looking movie, but this is something that absolutely could be nominated and should be. It's it was insane. Oh, my God. The images, it's stunning imagery. Before we move on to the next movie really quick. Yes. Give me your Jordan Peele. Is three movies in your favorite order? I would go right now. Nope. Get out and us. And I watched us right before I saw nope, like the first time. And I just went, yeah, it's still not I don't know, it's still not hitting for me, but and it's not recency bias. When I was in nope, last night I went, I've never had this much of a pleasant moviegoing experience at a Jordan Peele movie, and it wasn't even like sold out. Like Get Out was packed. People are screaming at the screen, they're scared, which is good for that type of movie. I'm very curious to see where he goes. His movies are getting longer. The first time I saw no, my main complaint was I didn't need to be that long last night. I didn't mind at all at its length. So, you know, it'd be cool to like sit down and rewatch, get out and nope. Back to back us in firmly in last place. But none of these are bad movies. They're not like terrible movies. Perhaps I'm even judging them a little too harshly. But it he's a director worth exploring. And he has. I mean, there's so many references for film and TV buffs that they'll love from. Nope. That, you know, some are obvious, some aren't. And the acting is great. Like Keke Palmer is great, but oh my God, my calling card is just oh, he's, he's brilliant. He's absolutely brilliant. And Jordan Peele is emerging as one of today's directors that is sellable as a director, like a lot. Very true. Go see a movie just because he's the director. And we don't have too many of those. We don't. So and we have to champion them honestly. Yeah. Yes, we do. 100%. Now, you know how I feel about Ryan Gosling. I do. He is one of my all time favorite actors to watch. The goose is on the loose. He's got a lot going on now. The Gray Man is a movie that is kind of unanimously across the board, not getting great reception. Now, sell me on the Gray Man. Nope. Like, I mean, I kid Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans, they each got 20 mil for it. Ryan Gosling hasn't been in a movie in five years. Yeah, he hasn't. So. And, you know, come get your money, dude. I'm not hating on you at all. We know you got the stuff, but get your dollars up. Barbie is going to be its own thing. I'm. I'm ecstatic for it. I can't wait for that movie. Like, I've no idea what it's going to be. I'm here for it. But, you know, yeah, it just it just wasn't for me. The great bad. I, I think it's good to occasionally watch these big movies for me, at least, because I like to keep everything in balance. Like, All right, everyone's talking about it. I just the whole time I'm watching this, I'm set. This sounds so like crotchety, but I don't know what's more concerning. The fact that huge movies like this rely so heavily on green screen that they literally don't even film like in backyards anymore. Like in an actual backyard. They don't even build like a yard in a house on a stage. You're just standing on a green stage and they build it all. And it it's so it's just so obvious to me. It looks so fake. And I don't know what's worse if this is happening so much or that people just don't really seem to care anymore. And this is like just the way big movies are now. Maybe. I mean, Top Gun Maverick wasn't like that. That was an expensive no, but I that fuzed in so that is an aspect of these types of big movies that it loses me a little bit I just don't understand and like where things are I don't understand I lines the editing. It's like all over the place. It's also like, I mean, not hundreds but so many people get fucking iced out in this movie, like needlessly death, gunshot, gunshot, gunshot. And it's still funny to me that like, that's okay, but we can't say like, fuck twice in a PG 13 movie, you're like, you can't show any sensuality, even in, like, R-rated movies anymore. And I'm watching it and I'm like, all these people getting iced out or like, innocent people, like they're police, but they didn't do anything wrong. They're just like, we're going to shift, like guarding tourists, just getting iced out. I don't know. I wouldn't recommend it, especially for how long it is, but you know that it same with Spiderhead honestly. It's also a Netflix film directed by Joseph Kosinski, who directed Top Gun Maverick. This is reteaming him with Miles Teller, costar of Top Gun Maverick and I would just recommend going to see Top Gun Maverick again. I mean, I saw it three times in the theater. Why not? It's still in there. But yeah, the the Netflix original movie isn't necessarily I'm not really the audience for that. I try to watch most things, though, but the only reason we're talking about it here is just because we're breaking things up a little bit. We thought it'd be fun, but, you know. Yeah, I don't I don't know man. Who is Netflix movies actually for. I mean that's yeah. They are all over the place and they're not really hitting. You know, we talk a lot about the power of the dog because that was the movie that Netflix really championed it. It was a big runner to win best picture. If you listen to our previous pod episodes about the Oscars, we'll tell you how we feel about that. But you got the gray man spiderhead. You've got windfall. You've got all these Netflix movies coming out and they're just not really hitting. It really makes you wonder, like, what do you what audience are you searching for? Because it just seems like you're just throwing everything against the board and nothing is really sticking. And I think that's hurting them a lot right now. I mean, stock down, losing subscribers there. And Netflix is about to implement a lot of new rules, folks. They're going to make it increasingly difficult to share passwords or impossible probably without paying an extra fee. They're going to start having ads. All this stuff is coming like this is coming soon because they're losing. This is one of the reasons why I like Netflix is honestly the app, the streaming app I use the least because unless I'm bingeing a TV show, which we're going to talk about in a little bit, but I don't go for movies on there much because of original movies. I tend to like them the least. However, however, I usually do like one or two a year. I think I'm I'm here for blond, that's all I'll say. Oh yeah. 17. Marilyn Monroe Fantasy Biopic. I had no idea Adrien Brody was playing Arthur Miller in it. I just found out. Out. That's amazing. So there's, like, a movie like that or the Irishman. I absolutely loved that film, so I get it. But maybe there's something to be said of like, Hey, Russo brothers, we're going to give you $200 million or, Hey, Michael Bay, we're going to give you a 150 million to make six underground. Like and you know, we're not going to give you any notes. Like, maybe some of these people need notes. I don't know, like maybe they need some structure and discipline. Yeah. So gray man spiderhead. You know, apocalypse pass. This is a movie that I don't think anyone that listens to. What are you watching would expect a review on but coming up is spiderhead. You know Chris Hemsworth, talk to me about Thor, love and thunder. Yeah, this is a really like particular circumstance. I just have a funny story about this. So I was like traveling for work and then I was doing a little road tripping. So I found myself in Kansas City for 4 hours is a couple of weeks ago and right near the airport. Is this like massive AMC so like 4 hours to kill. So I went, you know, I'm just going to go to the theater and pick one like one that starts now that I haven't seen. And I don't care what it is. I don't you know, Elvis might be a little long, but it's a timing works. I'll go do it. And I never have an opportunity to do this stuff. So I go, Sure enough, Thor, Love and Thunder and IMAX is playing right then. And I go, Why not? I have two Thor films. It's the first one. Haven't seen a marvel film since Endgame. I've never seen a marvel TV show, but it is a sort of movie experiment. It's like, Will I be able to follow this movie on any level? Not having kept up with the MCU, will it stand alone as its own movie? And yeah, I could keep up with it like it's not rocket science. It stands as its own writer director Taika Waititi. He voices a character who keeps filling in narrative gaps for people like me. But the reason I made the decision to buy a ticket is that I heard that Christian Bale was the main heavy and that he was really good and he was like, He fucking goes for this. And it's I just love that. I love that, you know, he was probably paid very, very well. And he goes, Yeah, why not? Like, do one of these get my money up? But still like I'm going to do a bale performance. And he did. He was really, really good. So honestly, the most memorable thing, man, a seeing this movie Jesus, this has happened to me once in my life, once and now twice. So this is like 1 p.m. on like a Wednesday. Thursday, it's not crowded. I'm in the middle of Kansas City. I buy a ticket and I go in there and I'm the only one there and I'm like, okay. And when I bought the ticket, I, there was a few of us, but they like weren't sitting, you know, people were scattered around. Some sit in there, you know, I have like 10 minutes for the movie starts and that guy walks in and this is an IMAX theater. There's like 400 seats and he sits right next to me. I forgive him, right fucking next to me like he's my dad or something. And I was like, right next to me. And, you know, we all you have to buy your tickets like before now. But when he bought that ticket, he saw that there was someone sitting right there and he made the conscious decision to click that seat right next to mine and then come sit down. So I like psychology and sociology, and I sit there and I'm like, I'm the assistant. Yeah, well, I did this to try to do it in a rude way. So sitting there and I'm like, it seems like a nice enough guy. And I go, You know, I'm just wondering. And I kind of pitches scenario to him and I go, There's only about four of us in here. I think there's like 400 seats, may I ask strictly like sociologically speaking, why did you choose to sit next to one other person in here when you could have sat anywhere? I mean, you can guess his answer if you want. He had no clue what I was talking about. A totally oblivious, like, what do you mean? This just looked like a good seat. And I'm like, Oh, okay, I'm, I'm going to move down to seats because, you know, COVID and I'm just, you know, there's a ton of room in here, so I get it. I heard, man, and that was it. But I mean, you know, we're all different. But to be like, oblivious to that is it? It was just that's only happened to me. I've seen I've been in the movie theater thousands of times. That is only happened to me once in my life before. It's just weird. It's weird. This makes me fucking angry. Yeah, because. Because I would have loved in answer any other answer from this guy other than that, because if you have zero awareness because like there's got to be an element to like, oh, I'm not going to think about a fellow person potentially next to me that might not want me here in an empty like you're so clueless to your environment or surroundings. It's different if it was packed. Right? It sold out and I get it. Yeah. Then I guess. Yeah. But if there's 400 seats and there's only like four other people in the entire theater to not have a clue and be like, Oh, I'm just going to go and sit right here. And then even upon entering the theater, seeing how much vast open space there is to then still and see the Oh, there's one person right next to me. Maybe I didn't know that when I bought the ticket, but then to see that there's one person to be like, Nope, I'm still just going to sit right in this seat. I'm sorry. That is a level of unawareness for like your fellow person. That is inexcusable. Yeah. Fuck you. I would have loved if he was like, Hey, man, I'll be honest with you, man. I get a little like the kind of. Like the movie going experience next to somebody. I would do that. I would have I would have understood. I would have been like, I think a buffer seat. We could have done that. But part of me thinks like psychologically, he looked at the screen and he saw that, you know, we see like a seat, it's colored. So we just picked the one next to it. We go, okay, now I'm, you know, like get closer together bunched up herd mental. I don't know but it was it's just so bizarre like that doesn't as many times as I've been to the theater and that having only happened to me twice in my lifetime it's I don't know. He's just weird. He wasn't mean about it when I asked him, but I wasn't. Me neither. I was trying to be really cool. Yeah, he was. And he wasn't confused. Why? I was asking. He was like me asking was the first had occurred in clearly, but I moved that. It's like I've moved out here. It was right. It was it awkward, but it was like, what the fuck did he like the movie? I asked him after. He liked it more than I did, I think. Good on it anyway. Movie. God, another movie that's uncomfortable. I actually have a vested curiosity about this because Ethan Hawke is one of my all timers and I am very intrigued that he took this performance on. It seems like something that isn't just a role that just came to him, it's something that piqued his interest. So the black phone. Yeah. So you are a good portion of the audience to see this because you love Ethan Hawke so much and like I love their act. There are some actors who are just my people, like Michael Fassbender. He's going to be in a movie. I'm going to see it. Yeah, it's Assassin's Creed. Okay, there I am. Fitz, the X-Men, whatever were on. Okay, there I am. Like, I'll show up for Hawke. So will you. And he's great here. And it's the same thing with Bale's Thor, Love and thunder, because, like, these guys are just going for it in an admittedly not the best, you know, movies like this. Movies. Okay, he Hawke has a relationship the director Scott Derrickson and they work well together and we get to see different sides of Hawke in his movies, which I appreciate. Most of Ethan Hawke's face in this movie's covered up with like masks. But he's very scary. He's a very convincing psychopath. There's like two different aspects of the movie, and his aspect was the part I liked a lot more is, Oh, I must give the movie away. Never mind. That's great. Yeah, it's like a crazy spoiler. Just slipped out. But I don't think you would particularly like the movie or its content, but I really think you would like him in it and that would be cool to talk to you about when we have our people, men and women, actors of all sorts, and they do a good performance and like a subpar movie, I'm still like, All right, cool, awesome, awesome. And every review that I've seen on the black phone, even if the movie, if people think the movie's like, Oh, okay, everyone is saying Ethan Hawke's great. And that's it's like, all right, cool, cool. I mean, that was that was pretty much my takeaway from The Northman as well was yeah, my favorite part of the movie was Ethan Hawke. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. Well, it's about the trailer gave that one away, but that's okay. Yeah, I know he's had so fucking much and it's like so obvious. I was like, Why do I even need to see it? I know everything that happens now. And when the movie was done, that was exactly my impression. I know we're kind of just in a wait time of The Northman. I think this is a good conversation about trailers. The trailer for The Northman ruined my entire experience watching the movie. Yes, I saw everything I needed to know in the trailer, and when I saw the movie, I go, You know what? The trailer was better. A lot of things to keep in mind about trailers. The Those are created by marketing and publicity departments. The director may be able to go, Yeah, okay, that's fine. But they largely directors are not cutting their own own trailers. There are few who are allowed to. Tarantino does. Nolan does those top, top, top tier people can cut their own trailers. Now than ever these marketing department seem. They just don't care if they're going to show you the whole movie. So, yeah, it's I've always maintained I'm not going to watch a trailer of something that I know for a fact. I'm going to see. I know I'm going to see. Nope. So that's why I didn't watch a trailer. There are some movies I'm on the fence about and I'll be like, I'll give this a shot. There's one coming up in A24 film. Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. And I've seen that trailer before, like every movie I've seen in the past month, and that's something I had no idea what that was. But because of the energy that trailers cut with and it's a red band trailer, I'm like, Are you? I'll see this movie. And I, I may have waited till streaming before, but I'll go to the theater to see this. But even then I'm only half paying attention to it. Everyone's talking about and they are Mrs. Voice and Blond and they are Mrs. Voice and Blond that that's a whole other story. But I'm not watching the trailer yet because I just don't I don't need to. I'm going to see the movie if you fuckers critique her voice in that. And that's the only like negative aspect of the movie. I'm coming for you. I'm coming for every actor who's delivered a shitty accent in the past ten years. And man, oh, man, I got a lot of them. I just got them buried. You have to hear about it all the time. But in big, big movies, some of them even win Oscars. And these accents are terrible. If I'm willing to let the shit go, give out a break. All right? You're going to love my story. All that. Excellent. This is a movie that I honestly I've never even heard of, so. But it's something you want to talk about. So what is halftime? Halftime is a documentary, a Netflix original documentary about Jennifer Lopez. Oh, partly the producer. Believe me, this is going to be worth mentioning. Okay. And it basically it's like a year in the life she's beginning to gear up to perform the Super Bowl halftime show and hopefully get nominated for the best supporting actress Oscar for Hustlers. So the Hustlers narrative in this documentary is fascinating. It's not the whole movie. It's just an aspect of the movie. But because Lopez is nominated for Golden Globe, she is absolutely ecstatic. I don't think I've ever seen someone more excited to be nominated for a Golden Globe in my life. But then something really, really interesting happens in the documentary. Every single person in her very large entourage keeps telling her over and over that she will win the Golden Globe. You are going to win the Golden Globe. They're treating it like it's a foregone conclusion. And I'm watching this documentary now knowing that they're talking about the 2019 Awards race. And as a movie freak and an awards movie freak, I knew that the only person that was going to win every Best Supporting Actress Award in 2019 was Laura Dern for marriage story. It was that thing like she was cleaning up. Yeah, she swept. She won everything. Golden like it. Everything. So that was one of the locks of the 2019 Oscar narrative. And I remember that leading up to this Golden Globes ceremony, that it was a foregone conclusion that Dern was going to win. What's incredible is that no one ever thinks to communicate this to Jennifer Lopez. No one gives her a reality check and manages expectations. And maybe that's not what you're supposed to do with super, super A-listers, because you need to keep them like in this bubble. But she so assumes that she is a lock to win, that when she loses she is fucking heartbroken like crying, sobbing, heart broken. I've never in my life seen such clear evidence of someone being this upset at losing a Golden Globe. It's such a major part of the documentary. But and as a producer, the fact that she had creative control over what went in the movie, I cannot believe they included this like it. I'm just stunned that no one around her went like, Hey, you know, this is cool. But, like, these awards, like, aren't a big deal. I mean, you know, like, 80 people, they're kind of racist. Yeah. I mean, now they're gone. Like, now they disbanded the Golden Globes. You know, it's just nuts. So that's as a movie fan and and a movie award show fan, I wanted to see that. So that's all it's just a little aside about halftime. It's not it's not like a particularly good documentary. But again, she is just heartbroken that she loses this Golden Globe and then when she does not get nominated for the Oscar, that's like the final nail in it that she's just so defeated and devastated. And that was it. I wouldn't mind if she was nominated. I actually thought she was going to be nominated for the Oscar, but I wasn't surprised that she wasn't. Anyway, this is a fascinating eating tale of what certain levels of fame and success in a world that we have really kind of made where entertain it is everything and is the mecca of anything you could do in life. The way that we kind of put it on that pedestal. I always find it very interesting to hear stories like this because, you know, acting is a profession that if you were to go back 200 years ago, more or less actors were the bottom of the totem pole. Yeah. Like they were spit on in public and only used to make the royalties laugh or be entertained. And then like, oh, thank you, actor for entertaining me. Now go back to your shithole and let me give you the scraps of what I eat, right? That's what actors were. And now they are just the ultimate of Ultimates. So I find something like this to be a very, very fascinating story of how we have come far and maybe even worse off. I don't know. I don't know which one is better. Well, it's very interesting. Final thought on this. It makes me wonder how often this happens, because she is one of the most famous people in the world. Yeah, but. She she's surrounded by yes people. Yes. Men and women who are just like, yes, you are going to win this. Yes, you will get the nomination. I wonder how many like super A-listers genuinely think they're going to win this stuff because their team is telling them that, like, is that better to assume you're going to win it or is it better to be hit with a little reality and like this may not go your way, even though your J.Lo, like, you know, Laura Dern, has been acting a lot longer than you and she doesn't have an Oscar or anything. So she made win this. And that's probably what's going to happen. I don't know. I would appreciate the perspective. Like, keep me in check. Keep me in check. Yeah. Okay, cool, cool. But, you know, I'm also not super, super famous. So yeah, I was going to say maybe the other side of this is the only way that you can be this super, super famous. Right, is to operate on a level where everything is a win. Yeah. There is no losing. There is no foregone conclusion of the reality that Laura Dern is probably going to win this. You just can't think of that like it can't enter through your brain. Yeah, it's very fascinating. It is. It is. So we we with this idea of a few months ago of bringing out a series of Criterion Movie exclusive reviews that we really, really liked. And we we kind of went in and out with it, but we don't want to kill it altogether. We want to still keep it alive. So we're trying to find a way to peppered this in. So we both have a criterion. Is this Criterion Channel or movie? Yours is a Criterion movie. Mine was a channel pick. But yeah, like the Criterion 22 thing was something. It was a little ambitious to say, we're going to do this every month because I realized in months, like three that this is the only shit I'm going to be watching. Yeah, I have to watch other stuff. So what is check it with criterion know as it as it goes. This whole thing is just one giant experiment to. What are you watching, cat? And we will always champion this. This is a thing where, like these. These are the movies. But let's start with yours. We'll finish up the the Alex Withrow interview with what is your Criterion Channel breakout? Yeah, I saw an American tragedy made in 1931 directed by Josef von Sternberg, and I had never heard of this movie. My favorite thing to do on that app, I think, is to open it up. Like as the month is kind of nearing the end, like the early twenties, like the 20th, 21st in the month, and see what's leaving at the end of the month because then it's like, okay, I only have five days to watch. It's like it's a good excuse, a little motivation. And this was one such case and I read the description of like, well, an American tragedy is that's the basis for one of my favorite movies, A Place in the Sun. And then I find out, Oh, this is a movie adaptation from Theodore Dreiser novel just made 20 years before Place in the Sun. And there there's a lot of similarities, a lot of differences. So we are talking we've talked a lot about new movies on the spot today. But I also am very, very often going back to the old stuff and just being like marveled like 1931. It didn't move like a 1931 movie. I don't know. It was just really cool. Like, this movie is 90 years old and it was still a really, really good movie. So fuck. But you watched one that I have loved for a long time. It's a very, very difficult movie to understand. Tell me what you thought of Steven Soderbergh's skit Topless. Oh, this movie just fucking rocks. I had no idea what I was getting myself into. My God, I. Threw on the Criterion Channel and I was like, You know what? And this is a rule that you and always talk about a rule. But this is something that you and I always kind of talk about. You do it like masterfully, where as soon as you put on a streaming platform, the first movie that just piques a little bit of interest to you. You're like done yet boom hitting play. I think that's a big problem is a lot of people like go to that wormhole of like, oh, I would like to watch, but let's see what else is out. That is one of the most infuriating things I can do with a friend. If I'm at someone's home and they start doing that, then it's 30 minutes later and I'm like, I already gave you eight fucking things to watch, man. Like, I don't care. Yeah, I'm not, like, biased about this. I don't necessarily need to watch, like, a movie I didn't like again, but I just gave you eight ones and good reasons why we could watch them. The constant scroll is just kills me, kills me. And if there's one thing I recommend all of you to do is to just do what I've done for this is just whether it's Netflix, Hulu, Amazon criterion, pick the first movie that gives you that little spark of interest and just see what happens. And that's what I did with this. And oh my God, I cannot express how good of a time I have with this. No idea what it was. And this movie probably isn't for everybody. It's a complete farcical. It's nonsense, it's complete and utter nonsense. Yes, it's intentional nonsense. Written, directed and starring Steven Soderbergh. Yeah, he does like most everything with it. It's a very out there film. I mean, it plays with language, it plays with form, it plays with everything that you could play with in a story structure. I'm going to use this word, and I think it's a perfect word for this movie. Going to use the word brilliant. Oh, nice. Brilliant for what it does. Yeah, yeah. It's I like that. It is. It's sort of like brilliant in its absurdity, which is all very intentional. This is Soderbergh. You know, Soderbergh is no stranger to what I like to call a fuck it movie. Ocean. Ocean 12 might be the best example where he's like, Oh, you guys liked Ocean's 11. Watch this. I'm going to go make a European art movie. But with Ocean's 11 IP and all these famous people I love Ocean's 12 and it gets Apple Topless was like his first Big Fuck It All movie because he wins the Palme d'Or for Sex, Lies and videotape. His first movie and then his next few movies are just bombs. He cannot connect. They're not connecting with audiences. And he thought skits topless would be his last movie. He's like, I think I just have to go find another path, another avenue. So he makes it kind of with that in the back of his mind. And then things work out and he gets the offer to direct out of sight and that two years later and that changed everything. When you go watch Get Topless If You Dare, you're just watching a really, really talented director play, like you said, with form. That's a really good way to describe it. Play with all the tools in a way that is absurd. But he also just he's like, I don't know if this is going to work. I don't know if I'm going to be a director like I don't. And God, imagine if imagine if his career just stopped after skits topless would be devastating. But thankfully he got out of sight and away we went. Yeah. I don't think he we talk about him at all. If, if it wasn't for that, yeah. We certainly wouldn't be talking about topless. I think it's one of those rare movies where it's because of the director that we know now. It's like, oh, check out like this movie. Yeah. That he's got in his filmography and you're like, Fuck, because he's never done anything like this. I know, I know. But again, yeah, I do want to get some TV shows out of the way before we wrap up here. Yeah, hacks on HBO. This is a public service announcement that the great character actor Christopher McDonald has been nominated for his first ever award, an Emmy Award for guest actor in a comedy series for Hacks. This motivated me to watch the whole show very quickly. I loved it. I love him. Oh, my God. I'm so glad he's been nominated for his first award ever. He's never had Emmy nomination. Oh, my God. He has so many credits. He's like 220 credits. Obviously, people know I love Chris Mac so much. So that was fun. Just to breeze through that. It's Jean really great. His chemistry with her just, you know, it's a fun, breezy show. I finally got around to Peaky Blinders. I'm good thankful that the seasons, six seasons, six episodes each. The first season started ten years ago. And while the show is good, it is not a ten year long. Good show to me. Like if I would have started season one in 2012, I probably would have lost the thread by now. But this is this is why I do advocate for the binge model. Sometimes I do this all the time. I did this with Breaking Bad. I went, I don't like starting shows when I don't know when and if they're going to end. Like there's, you know, legacy shows like Billions. Like when is a show going to fucking end? Like, I just lost the thread of that so long. I used to watch every episode, but when it was like, okay, Peaky Blinders is done after six seasons, I watched it and I was not I apparently a lot of people agree with me. I was not a fan of the series finale at all tonight to a shocking degree, I was just left baffled and then a quick Google search. I figured out they have always planned to make a final movie like a two hour movie. And I went, All right, good. Thank God you're playing. So that's interesting. I'm like, okay, cool. You're going to if that's what you're going to do, I'm here for it because when I thought that's how the show ended, I went, Are you fucking kidding me? Like, you're just. But thankfully that wasn't the case. And then real quick, few rewatches you know, I get to see old movies in the theater some time, which is great. I got to see a Few Good Men last week in the theater and just go do this, people, if you have a chance, because I've only ever seen that movie, you know, VHS, DVD, TV, the thing I never would have thought that was Robert Richardson's one of his best looking movies. I mean, he won Oscars for JFK, The Aviator. He shot Once Upon a time in Hollywood. But that looks gorgeous. And it really it was a reminder of yeah, they really did used to make movies for big screen presentation. Now movie Gray Man is made for TV presentation. That's why it's there. Not a lot of people saw that in theaters. So I just love seeing older movies like that in the theater. It's so fun. And then I was telling I was texting you last night. I watch Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night, a nice rewatch and yeah, it had been about a year. So much fun. One thing I thought while watching it because you know, I like parasite. Yeah. But it didn't. It didn't need them all. It just. It didn't need them all. Got foreign film. Great. Give it picture, director, screenplay. Give it to those cute deserved one he deserve screenplay director or picture it didn't need all three or four parasite that is so what I'm thinking is I genuinely I honestly in my heart of heart think he made that movie to get that best director Oscar or get that best picture Oscar because he hasn't yet when that didn't happen. I wonder if this if he really is only making one more movie. I wonder last night. It's the first time I thought about this. Will he try to go big? Will he try to do something that will get him that Oscar? Like Once Upon a time in Hollywood, it's like, that's a cute Oscar movie there. That was a lovely letter to Los Angeles. Love letter to the industry. There's no like he did everything right. There's violence at the end. But, you know, it wasn't grotesque or excessive throughout the entire thing. Okay. Or is he just going to do, like some genre movie? Like, is it going to be another death proof or is it going to is he going to do like Pulp Fiction, Inglourious Basterds, Hollywood level? I don't know. It's just like a really fun thing to think about. I don't know. It is. Because also, if if well, if the industry assumes that Quentin Tarantino is going to only make one more movie and he is one of the let's just say it's one of the greatest directors ever. Yeah. And he doesn't have an Oscar. He could pump out a piece of shit. Well. He could do a hardcore horror movie that just for the fun of it, because he never has. Like, I would like to see that he he could go in any direction. But I've always thought with his last one, I don't know why. I've had an inkling that he'll go more like Jackie Brown, which is a great movie, but something a little more humble, a little smaller. I don't know, though. Maybe he'll try to, like, go bigger and try to win that Oscar. I don't know. It would be. It's so weird what people have Oscars and what don't. I know. It's so weird. Okay. David Fincher. Okay. He what? Yeah. Here's how we're going to end. I'm going to do this is my what are you watching? Recommendation. And you don't have to do one if you don't want. I don't even care unless you have one. Oh I got one. Oh well I'm going to go first then because this is how I'm going to end. I'm going to catch it for this is how I'm going to end my remarks. You're going first. I'm going first. This is. The first ever. The first time I've ever gone first. Really? First time you've ever gone first. I will screenshot the fucking spreadsheet and posted on Twitter and see I'll go through every episode. Yeah. Oh no you got it. But you're going to doctor it. I know how your scheming mind works. I could doctor a spreadsheet. I can't doctor every fucking episode the episodes are there go listen to done for the first time ever last weekend I watched Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox Oh, I never seen it. I'd seen like the first 10 minutes. And it wasn't it just eluded me. I wasn't putting it off. It wasn't like effort. It was no, like, elitist. And I don't know. I don't know. It it just alluded me and it's on I don't know. I saw it one day in place, Hulu or something. And that's a perfect comedy. It's a perfect comedy, a great, great comedy. And I loved every single thing about it, just like calling it, Oh my God. Even in the beginning, like, you can't go say Stewie thinks about his entire life. I mean, all of it. The walk, the line, stand ups, like most people listening to this, have probably seen Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story. I can't believe I hadn't. And it was like a big comedy black hole that I had in my watching. So I'm so glad I got to check it out. And I just die laughing. I've seen it one and a half times now because I started it again the next day because I just thought it was so funny. It's great. So yeah. Oh yeah. I'm so glad you seen it. I but I've always had such an interesting like conversation piece to make about this. Is that one if you've never seen Walk the Line, you are going to miss out on almost 90% I would say of the comedy of the movie. Yeah, because it's a complete take off of Walk the Line now. However, if you've never seen Walk the Line and you see Wild Card, The Dewey Cox Story, and then you see Walk the Line, Walk the line will be ruined. Oh, it will be completely ruined. You will not be able to take that movie seriously. And I love Walk the Line. I think Walk the Line is a great movie, but you've never seen it. Then it will be ruined for you if you've seen Walk Out. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, to go back to kind of bring it back to Jordan Peele as we're closing out here about how it's kind of common, at least it I thought it was common that in horror movies you don't want to explain too much or when you do, you're going to get kind of dinged and made fun of. And that's something he doesn't do that. No. But in Get Out and us, there's just so much explanation. Similarly, like what all the stuff that Walk Hard is making fun of that movie's mean 27 It's my understanding that the new movie Elvis, like, commits all those scenes that Walk Hard is making fun of. Yeah, and it's like, so you're still doing this shit? Like, you're all still these stories in the same way. Mean it's not fair. I haven't seen Elvis, but, you know, I just it's it's great where they are able to make fun of something and then that type of genre is still so stuck in its way, like the biopic that even though they're being made fun of ruthlessly for a feature film, they still some of them still don't change their format. They're still like, yeah, whatever. I don't care. Nope. Oh, it's great. This is it. All right. What do you have, Cry baby? So for the first time ever, I'm going second and I am recommend going off of my Steven Soderbergh experience with Scott's applesauce. I'm going with one of my favorite Soderbergh movies and one coincidentally one of Matt Damon's favorite performances he's ever done. And that's The Informant. Oh, what a great call, man. And that is a movie that you recommended to me when we first met. And you were like, You really got to check this out. And it might be honestly the closest to Scott's obvious, not in the way of form, but in a little bit of absurdity. It's probably the. Closest to that level of ridiculousness. And but it's all based on a true story. So that's really grounds it. Great movie. I like that movie a lot. Dude, I'm fucking I'm literally getting chills right now? I see it here on the rack firing that fucker up as soon as we're done today. You sold me. That's a big compliment, because I usually I'll detox from, like, a pod, you know, recording session with something we've talked about. There's a great commentary for that movie, too. Very absurd. The first time I saw that, it's kind of like in Bruce, where we people are in the theater and we're like, Oh, this is funny. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know we're supposed to laugh at this because his voiceover, we talked a lot about voiceover on the Goodfellas and Blue episodes is so absurd, but because it's so stream of conscious and he's like, I wonder if I should get this new car? And like, every time he parks, he's like driving a different sports car and you're like, Who the fuck is this guy? But also also, oh, that star is one of my favorite character actors, Melanie Lynskey, who plays his wife. Oh, yeah. That he that guy is based on a true story. And he was compulsive liar. And to see someone finally at the end of it, someone who cannot help themselves from lying, to finally get caught in that lie that you can't walk or talk your way out of. He handles that so well. He Damon I mean, he gained a lot of weight for it. And almost all the supporting characters supporting cast are comedians, which is really like funny and intentional, but they're all playing it straight. Yeah. Joel McHale It's a really interesting choice, but oh man, that's a great call. I love that movie. The Informant. Hell, yeah. So good. All right. Well, fun to talk about new movies. We even got some old ones in there. Rest in peace, Paul Sorvino, you do not always go first, you little asshole. Nick, though still. But as always, everyone, thanks so much for listening and happy watching. Hey, everyone, thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex with Broken Nicolas Toast. Welcome is where you can find all of Nick's film work. If you have any questions or comments, please email us at what are you watching? Podcast at gmail.com. And of course you can find us on Twitter at WFYI W Underscore Podcast next time we're going to discuss a topic no one expects us to our favorite romantic comedies. 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