132: Babylon (2022) Commentary

"Babylon" Hive, unite! Watch Damien Chazelle’s misunderstood, big swing of a film right along with Alex and Nick. Topics include starting your movie with an elephant shitting all over everything, Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt’s best roles, the birth and death of Old Hollywood, the film bombing with critics, audiences, and the Oscars, ties to “Irreversible,” the final montage, and so much more.
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Oh, I love this one. Hey. Babylon five. Welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex with throw, and Nick is going to be here. Don't you worry. Of course he has to be here today. We are doing a commentary on Nick's favorite film from 2022. Damien Chazelle's Babylon. This is the only movie from 2022 that Nick likes. no. He's had a fun evolution with this one. We got to see this movie together in the theater for the first time. Then we recorded our episode. Podcast episode. Directly after it, Jesus went number was that. Number 82 was our Babylon breakdown that we did. I mean, like minutes after seeing the film that was also the first time we had a guest on because friend of the pod Dan called in. Great stuff. We love this movie. We've had a really fun time with it ever since it came out. It is available right now on Amazon Prime and Paramount Plus, so if you want to watch along with us, you can watch I highly recommend. Will this movie be Reval? We did in a few years and be considered a masterpiece, something that Hollywood objectively lost sight of. It did not win in the Oscars. It got very few Oscar nominations, Nick and I certainly think so. But I don't know, time's going to tell. I think this movie is a huge swing. I have no idea what Damien Chazelle is going to do next. It certainly won't be this big, but we have a great time talking about his biggest swing to date. So when you hear the beep, that is when I press play on the movie. We did record this podcast a little while ago, which I explained in the beginning, which is kind of fun. So please enjoy the what are you watching commentary on Damien Chazelle's Babylon in three, two, one. I don't know where to begin, but we're here. Babylon. Commentary. Baby. Old school. Paramount. Look at that. Love that. See the. You know, the first time we saw this movie was together. Oh, you came to visit me for New Years, and we saw it together. Yup. Now, here we are. We've seen it a bunch of times since then. I'm so excited to do this. we've gotta love this movie. Look at this shot. Just look at it. I mean, it's so funny to think that, like, this is what it looked like. This is what everything looked like, you know, back then. And when the hell did they say was 19, 26, 26 Bel Air? You know, I remember thinking, do you remember that? I can't believe I'm gonna go right to The Godfather right now. But you remember when they cut to the city, like, because he's saying that there's this Hollywood agent or this. The guy wants to be an actor. Yeah. And they cut to what Hollywood looked like back in the 30s, and it's just, like, empty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for short. And then, you see, it's supposed to be Robert Duvall. Like walking in. I think it's a Paramount lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're here to talk about Babylon. I know, but no, no, I'm messing with you. Oh, it's. So what is it? What does it say to you? Like, you know, as we get into it here, what does. And I'm being dead serious. Like, what does the elephant shit. It's like minute three of this movie signify to you? This is what it was I when we saw it in theaters. Oh my God, even right now, I was like, oh, we're in for it right now. We knew it. Like right away, right away. And at this point I was like, okay, this is something different right now. What we're seeing with this elephant like, Holy shit, is that a fucking elephant? Like we're already in it. But when this shit happens, that's what I was like. I think we're in for a treat. A big treat, big treat. Because, I mean, you know, movies, don't do that. And he's making such a deliberate choice. Damien Chazelle like, be like, yes, I'm literally going to pour shit all over this and just show you what you're getting into. Yeah. And then we immediately get to, you know, piggy with the. Oh. And then we're like, oh my God, to the moon. Yeah. To the like he's telling us, right. Like in terms of outrageousness. Yes. Those two things are probably like the, the, I don't know, like the grossest or the I don't know, they're crazy things to happen in a movie, especially by minute five. And I love it. And especially in a time where, you know, people are so sensitive about these types of. So I think that's why I like this movie so much, is because it just Damien Chazelle was not afraid to do anything that he wanted to do. He I mean, this was like his zero fucks movie. Like, he I mean, he gave every fuck. But it was also thank you for this money. Paramount. And I'm going to go spend it with, some might argue, reckless abandon. I would argue he spent it incredibly well. Oh yeah. God, I just I know this is going to come up as we go. We have, you know, like three hours. Oh, there it is. Oh, Hallelujah. What a show. Louie. oh. We were losing. We were losing. Losing. And we were the only ones in the theater like losing it. We were. I mean, look at the. The cameras all smeared, the lenses all smeared. We were like, what is this? Like, what are we watching? What just happened? I love this cut up up here. He's like, you can't even have that permit. I, I think I wonder if Chazelle. Because like you just said, like he poured every bit of money into this. There's no way that he could have known that this would work or not. No, no, I mean, with this big of a swing. And that was actually the point I was going to get to before the elephant shit. You. We will talk about this, about how much of a bum this movie was like. It was. It was a, it was a box office silver mixed on it, but it in the year since the year since, like 2024. But in the time since it has developed a following. People respect it, more people appreciate it. And I do think years from now it's going to be like, wait, this movie was nominated for three Oscars and won nothing, What? What? So no, there's no way to know when you're making something this big if it will work. Yeah, I mean, la la Land is a huge swing. Can you. I mean, can you imagine? I never thought that would work. When I heard the logline of that, I was like, I don't want to see that shit. But people really impressed me. But people love musicals and they love sweet stories. I think there was. Yes, yes, there was so much about that. I think worked for audience like mass audience and mass audiences. But there's so much here that is that doesn't work for mass audiences. I mean, oh God. But actually the music just queued up and now, yeah, here she goes. I was like, Like I didn't even, And what he wants to do, what he's showing is that this was a crazy time, right? Was abandoned like Hollywood, 1926 was nuts and a lot of people. Yeah, there it is. There it is. A lot of people don't. no, I like acknowledging that. Yeah, it was wild. It was absolutely wild. It tickles. Okay. Oh, my God, look at her. She's. Oh. Oh. Reminds me of things I've seen of the w g. What, like clean up, like aftermath. I had one, worked at a hotel for ten years. I did, I did room service, room service for ten years. And you do have some crazy stories w hotel in Hollywood. Yeah, some. Oh, I've seen like, so much of this movie. Kind of reminds me of things that I've seen. There was one guy who was that exact, exact guy shape like a piggy guy. Big guy. Oh, boy. He was handcuffed to a bed and he only had the sheet covering in the woman in. There was clearly some type of prosthetic. I'm an extra. Okay, okay. And she was just sort of like, come in, leave the food wherever you want. Like, she was just sort of over it. And the guy, I just go, where would you like your food, sir? And he goes, oh, I want you to take those eggs and smothered over my belly. Oh my God, I just like, tied up, tied up. Jesus. And I would always kind of approach every situation with just a big smile and a laugh. So I would just got to go. That's good. I'm putting the tray down like, sir, I don't know if you want me to do that. It's either eggs that's going to smell. And he goes, oh, and he points to her and he goes, tip him. Jesus. Oh my God, he's wild. He's having a fun time. Interesting story to go into that. I mean, I don't know if I ever heard that one. You've told me some others that maybe we can, tap back into later, but call attention to these one or shots. This movie is filled with one or shots that, you know, really long camera shots that they don't necessarily call attention to themselves. But this thing is nuts. It's like go. It's stepping on cranes. It's going up. It goes back down. first look at Jean smart there. She's so, so good in this Diego Calva that we should say that like I never seen this guy. I never heard of him. So to open your movie like that, when you when we all know that Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie are the headliners this and we're like, who the hell is this guy? And he's. I love that, I love that and he to me throughout the movie has hits and misses. I think there's times where, I really like him and there's times where I think he kind of misses a little bit. Yeah, but the thing is, is that he's absolutely perfect for this role. His face and his kind of innocence. And then when he loses it, yep. That comes off so well. And he's just he is kind of a perfect face for this whole entire story. And we need someone that isn't like we don't need Brad Pitt. No he does. And we're going to we're going to put our Brad Pitt stuff on him like I want him to succeed or whatever that is. It was so smart to cast. He's not an unknown, this actor, but he was in, I think like Narcos Mexico season three. That's like the only thing I maybe have seen him in. And yes, so he's not like, this isn't his first movie or anything, but to with mass audiences not having that much recognition for him. Oh yeah. We can't we can't have a familiar two familiar of a face or we've attached a thing to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She is. Oh, God, I love her. Margot Robbie showing up here is Nelly Le Roy. My absolute favorite performance she's ever given. That was my next question. Especially because, you know, we're in Barbie World. So I wondered where this ranks for you. And I would agree. I mean, she she hasn't really done anything like this before since like this. I mean she is crazy and it never lets up. No, never ever lets up. And she's still human too. Yeah. She's not operating on just this 100 level. Like we see what she wants, what she cares about, what she's trying to get for herself. But then just the highs and lows that her character has are just crazy. She can't help herself. She gambling gets out of control. She says how much she doesn't like home. And she has such a conflicted relationship with them. And then, like her dad becomes her manager and he's a shit. Just a total shit. Yo, yeah, I, I love everything that she put into this. She called herself Billie Dove earlier to that, like, bodyguard. And he's like, no, you're not. So I look, Billie dove up. She was in 50 movies. Wow. I'll tell you four facts about the real Billie Dove. She was in 50 movies. She dated Howard Hughes for three years. Yeah, she died in 1997 at the age of 94. Oh my God. And Billie Holiday based her stage name off of Billie Dove. Wow. There's four facts. Billie Dove for you. All right, here we go. Here we go now. Yeah, we're getting into. Oh, God. So, you know, all the stops. Oh, my God, here it is. Like, here is this. This is a how much movie. How much money did this movie? Cause this was like an 80 or 90 million. Yeah. Which is up, which is a lot. I mean, it's a lot. Yeah. That's a lot for Damien Chazelle from starting. Like when you think of whiplash, which was like 3 million, I think. Yeah. And this is what he does. Like this I love this. We got a little person with a giant dildo. Yep, yep. Oh, that's on a pogo stick. It's on the never, it's the rise up for spring is and Spring Fling one of your favorites. How do you feel when you see flea as, like, a lifelong diehard Red Hot Chili Peppers fan? I. I always like seeing him show up because he's been if you go back to the fear and loathing. Oh yeah. 80s 80s. Yeah. He he spent a lot of his time, in his whole entire entertainment career. Acting. But this is by far his biggest role and he absolutely kills it I think. Yeah. He's had some big roles before. I love him in this. He he's so good at coming in and just doing like a scene or two. Yeah. And then that's it. And and just letting it be that and being like cool. I hate Olivia Wilde for a day. I did not know this was Olivia Wilde. What, like when we saw it in the theater. Yeah. Oh, really? Until I'm, like, looking at her, I go, no, that can't be. And then I'm like, oh, wow, that's it is. I think I even whispered to you like, is that Olivia Wilde? Oh. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I can only love this. Oh yeah. Switches back to Italian. She could only be on set for one day. She had to go like that. That's the choice that he needed to make. Like he's like, you know what? I think if I actually do this, it's over. It's over. And. And he just decided in that moment. Hey. Evening. I love him. and then. Yeah. This is it's what this movie is. Movie is so good at so many things, but, like, how he's he's the toast of the town right now. When the movie starts, it's him. You know? He's schmoozing. Everybody wants him, wants to talk to him. She's got a tattoo on my back, and you know it's going to. His arc in this movie's characters arc is very I just thought really like profound in the the melancholic streak that will come into it shortly which and then leading up to that, really just that fantastic conversation slash monologue that Jean smart has with him, which is that's what Jean smart took the movie, took the role, wanted to do it. And, you know, that's going to be like two hours from now, two and a half. But it's a great scene. He's just greatness. We so good. What's cool is that the way that even we've set up all these main characters, we know who is who without even knowing for sure. Like just by like status alone. Just react to them. Yeah. And and both, you know, Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt showing up in cars just kind of like smashing into things. Good call. Causing this chaos, chaos right away. And, it's just sort of like, you know, but even we've seen, like, we've seen the jazz player. Yeah, he's showing us all these people that we're going to go on this ride with, but you just can't know right now because there's so much going on. So much. Yeah. Is there anyone in the history of movies more charming than Brad Pitt? Oh, in the history, yeah. I mean, if we go back to this time, like there's there's some charming dudes back in there, like Cary Grant was trying to. Monty. Monty was a charming dude. But, I mean, now, if we say, okay, we bring it to now like a. He is a charming, charismatic figure, like, I mean, Cliff Booth, like, doesn't that dude doesn't like, change, really, but he's just his vibe is just cool. It's just totally cool, and I don't I really don't think many other actors could have pulled that off the way that he did in this. Yeah, some others I, you know, maybe Gosling could have been there because he's like Chazelle's guy. Like maybe, but it doesn't have. Gosling is great. We love Gosling, but he does not carry with him the pedigree that Brad Pitt does. And like we've that we've spent. It's just like it's his legacy. Exactly, exactly. There's, Lucas Haas. He's part of love. Lucas Haas. Yeah, one of Leo's friends and Tobey Maguire, part of the. Oh, is part of part of that. Part of that posse. So Tobey Maguire is an executive producer on this, and he will show up later. And a great role. Great role, great role. Probably my favorite role he's ever done. Oh my God, he's actually no. 100% my favorite role. He's my favorite. Yeah, yeah okay. I do cocaine all the time and doodle. I when they walked in that room, he's like heroin, coke at points, everything. It's so funny. I mean, the level of freedom. Back then, it was just like, none of this stuff was messed with. It was just. It. Yeah, it just didn't matter. It was like, if if you can be at. One of the reasons why Damien Chazelle structured the movie the way that he did, which is a series of, essentially like a series of parties, a series of set pieces. And he was so interested in that because he's like a party. A societal party is who's in, who gets in, who doesn't, who is the star of the party? Who isn't? And then tracking how that changes throughout the movie. It's really fascinating. Oh, it's fascinating. I, I really do wonder if this is one of the problems that people have with this movie. Is. What's the problem in a mosquito or is this a. No. It's just in that, oh, okay. So you start that. Yeah. I wonder if that's one of the problems and we'll get to it more as it goes on. But the downward spiral of this movie, it comes pretty late. He gives us so much time with partying and I think people either get with that or they don't. Right. Like, they like even like when we were in the theaters, the elephant starts to shit. We crack up. No one else does. I was surprised people in our crowd didn't leave because, like, no, actually they did. They? Oh yeah, there was a few people that. Oh shit. So you either I clocked that and didn't remember, but like, those people behind us were like, what the fuck is this? Oh, you're younger than they were younger. There were younger two ladies who were younger than us, and they just did not make a sound the whole time. But no. Keep going with this thread though. I like this gets a little too dark. It gets a little too dark. So I think people either were like us where we were loving this high. Yeah, of these parties and just kind of living in this world that he's, that Chazelle has given us, because that's what was happening. Everyone was living on this high, and then it all drops. And when it drops, it's not fun. It's the comedown. It's like no one likes a party to end, and he's just basically expressing that through cinema. Yeah, and it doesn't get fun. It doesn't get better. And that's when people started to leave was when he spent so much time in how everyone's kind of turning into shit, that people were like, all right, I'm over this. Like, I don't even know what this was in the beginning, but now it's doing this. Now I'm out. Yeah, but yeah, that's the point. That's the structure. It doesn't work in a typical three act way because he times it differently. But that's what I love about it. Yeah. This does not follow like conventional Act structure at all. And I, I really love that about it. Yeah I mean it does. It's just so crazy that with the invention of sound and mixing that with movies, that changed an entire very new young art form because film was a this right now this scene is in 1926. We're still we're like 30 years into this thing. Maybe, you know, it's it's a very young art form. And then when they brought sound in it, I mean, we see it in here. Oh, you know what? You want to know why they left you want to know why they laugh at you? so, yeah, it does, it doesn't. You know, in a story this big, not everyone can have a happy, a happy ending. And it's just not the way. It's not the way it goes. And Chazelle pretty good at that. He's very this melancholic. Oh, it is melancholy. It's just it's honestly some of the best. Even First Man ends with like, damn. Oh, no, nothing. You know, like they're through the glass. Yeah, that's all intentional I love it. Look at this lighting. Oh, so good, so good. Lin Joon Lee as Lady Fey here. I had never seen her before. She's done a ton of TV, you know, like episodes here and there and a few indie films. She's greatness. That jazz player you called out Joven. That's his first name. How do we pronounce that? Jovi. Is it Joven or Yovan? This this this guy Sydney. Well, it's Jovan Adepo. I apologize if I'm pronouncing that wrong. That's another person I never heard of. Or that when we were seeing this, I didn't recognize. Yeah, he's the fucking son in fences. He's Denzel. No fences. Yeah. Oh, wow. But he, like, bulked up just a little bit. Yeah. Because I look that up on IMDb. I looked him up and I was like, oh my God, that is him. But he was so skinny in fences, which fit it well. But I think he's so funny in this one. like, he and his band mates are kind of arguing. It's like you're a fucking psychopath. And you. I can't take this abuse of a this is a great relationship. They have kind of plugging us into it early because, you know, he their final conversation is really moving. And then he walks off and that's by suicide. That's. So we're seeing that here that they have this just kind of connection. You know I like but then she is sort of like this wise sage for a lot of people. And a lot of their situations throughout the movie. I love that she was honest with me. Your wife. Oh God, oh God, no. It's it's hard to say who they modeled him after, like, specifically, but there's a bit of, like, an arrow Flynn streak to him. Oh, yeah. There's definitely an arrow. Even that, like mustache. It's like it's just perfect. It's perfect. It is. Well, then we like, look up one time, like there's like a few different actors that he kind of. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And not all of them are necessarily. Not all of them necessarily are going to be ones like I have good memory recall with because I, you know, my 1926 actor role in said my head you yeah it's it's a little thin. I could build it up. I think maybe I don't believe it as I live and breathe. Alex. And this is a voice. Yeah. And this is all, like one damn shot to that year. I mean, once we cut to her coverage and she's doing her dancing thing. Yeah, the crane just going to go up and down. Up and down. It's madness. And this these cuts. Well, that's the, Tom cross is the editor. He won best editing for whiplash. I believe his name is Tom cross. And he. That's Chazelle's guy. You know, it's just amazing. And whenever, whenever you see the camera whip really fast like that, a lot of people do that digitally. Now. He does not. You can watch like behind the scenes of them whipping back and forth the camera. So those are real whip pans and I just I love that. Yeah. This is all going to be one shot where like here on the ground with her and we're going to go up back down. So I have yeah I have to call this something out. This is pretty cool about this. Do it. So I was on Actors Access, which is pretty much the main, casting site for actors in Los Angeles, New York. Even if you have an agent, you should be on there, like searching for things. Sure. Four. I'm not joking. 6 to 9 months. there were casting calls going out every single day for extras. the freakiest of freaks, tattoos. whatever your sexual orientation was, whatever your gender was, if you could, if you had some, like, if you had, like one arm, if you wanted to let your freak flag fly. Yep. And it was for this. It was all for this. Now, does it say, like, online that it's for Babylon or just says for like they pretty much said, it's Damien Chazelle's new movie starring Brad Pitt. They loaded it all up and, they were like, you need to be okay with full frontal nudity. All of this. Yeah. And I just remember like a few times being like, should I just fucking do it? I should, I should have done it. I actually regret not doing it because to be honest, set like this would have just been hilariously cool just to watch everything and just to watch everything. Yeah, they shot this in a, like a big theater house in downtown LA. I think, you know, there's so many, like, great theaters down there. They're just like abandoned or they're not. Yeah, they they're not in business anymore. People can rent them out. So that's where they film this. I also want to say I don't I didn't pick up on this the first few times for whatever this matters. This is down Wallach's house where they are having a party. And that's the Jeff Garland character. The guy? Yeah, the guy that comes in and you know, he's got like the shabby beard. So this is his house. We never see him. But yeah, this is the kind of, you know, party throws.

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00. Oh my god. Yeah. That's like that's what's so I love when the sequence ends and she Margot Robbie gets like maybe 45 minutes of sleep or like none really. She's like, you're on set in three hours. Oh, and I think this stuff happened, like, a lot because sound didn't matter. So if someone literally if someone passed out or OD'd and he could, they could just go out to the crowd at the producer's party and go, you, you're you're on set tomorrow, you're going to get your shot. Yeah. So you got to dump me, dump to, flea. And like, even even even that, like, people don't like if you call a big person Humpty Dumpty these days. No, this is not a politically correct no. But that's my point is, like, he's even just going to go all in. Yeah. It's like, who cares? Yeah, let's let's just do it. He's I think it's a, accurate representation of the time. Oh, yeah. It's just, you know, I love this stuff. He goes, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah. Now, the elephant might be you were talking about, like, all the extras and background characters, though, for in this movie they are real. You know, there was up to like they made up to 7000 costumes for this movie, 7000 backroom background costumes. That's insane. This did not win Best Costume Design at the Oscars. so the elephant, maybe it looks a little CGI. That's if it is. But that's good. It's good. CGI people like aren't, and they still to this day have not gotten crowd CGI down. It's still pretty bad. Yeah. So when you actually have real people in here, you can tell. This guy, it's horse mask. She's great. Just, you know, the gossip columnist. They were a big, big deal back in the day. Oh, yeah, up through the 50s. Look at his face. They're like the 50s and 60s. Hedda Hopper. Pitt plays drunk. Fantastic. Oh, he's so, so good at drunk. Just even the hair, like he's just so good at it. I mean, he's pretty good at almost all inebriation of any kind. Yeah. I mean, even even when you go back to True Romance, when he's high stone is. It doesn't leave the couch. Oh, that was his idea. Yeah. He called Tony Scott the day before his first shoot, and he's like, Tony, what if I never get off the couch because he was supposed to, like, open the door and engage and do stuff, and they're like, all right, go for it. And he completely owns it. It absolutely works. I mean, believe that guy. And that was when, you know, he was kind of touted as not being a good actor. Well, he was he was that was 93. So he was still just so young. So it was like coming off the what do I do after Thelma and Louise thing. Yeah. What do I do? You know, they're putting me putting him in those fucking terrible leading roles like Cool World or something. Oh, you like Blue Suede shoes? Yeah, but you're just terrible leading roles. So then he takes a character role like that in True Romance, and it's, It's great. And right here. Yeah. Already getting a whiff of the gambling, you know. Yeah. And how that will become an issue. Yeah. She's, you know, they're it's. Yeah. Because gambling, you know, a lot of things, a lot of vices can be fun in the beginning when you're doing it, you're like, oh, because there's no course they are. Great. Just look at this. Yeah. Just beautiful now, like, of course, like our, you know, we should say yes. So much of this is like, I think just kind of pointing out there's color correction. There's all sorts of things. But at the same time, this is magic hour. This is when they were getting this shot. Yeah. And this only lasts for so long. So even with the color correction and how good it looks like, you've got about 25, 30 minutes, especially if you're shooting on film like they were. Yeah. Where it's darker to shoot on film. So yeah. You don't have much time did they? I mean, they could have done this with we did a commentary for No Control Men and they that chase scene where they're chasing Brolin, you know, with the dog and stuff, they had to shoot that over weeks. It took them weeks to do that because you only get like ten minutes a morning. So this could have taken a long time. Yeah. Once it's a lot of shots or it's only, a few shots because there are long shots. That's what I meant. Which is backing up a car. Yeah, yeah. The building going out of focus right here and probably coming back in. And your note about color correction color correction can enhance stuff. Certainly. And it can you know, you can really get in there and post and like completely change stuff. Chazelle is not about to you know, he's still he's one of the guys who likes to shoot on film. I mean, he's, he's also we're we're we're lucky to have him let me. Oh, yeah. If you don't like some of his movies, I get it. But we are lucky to have him because he really, really cares about movies and film and how, you know, the the old school way of doing it. Because there's a few generations above him. We have Tarantino, Nolan, PTA. They all care about it, but they're all in their 60s and stuff, 50s and 60s. He's in his 30s, I believe. Yeah. So it's good that we have him. Well, it's crazy because we talked about like a long time ago on a podcast. You know, who is the young American director? Yeah, that has that knowledge, that has that history and implements it into what he's doing and is actually being the new guy. Yeah. And we really did make an argument for him. And to me, this movie solidified it, especially when we get at the end. Yeah, yeah. Because here the end is the thing I think the people have the most, even people who I know that like this movie, don't like the end I get it is what I can say. But the first time I saw this with you, that entire sequence, my jaw was on the ground and I could and I, I got a I remember it was like very early and I, I leaned over to you and I was like, I said something like, I think I know what he's doing or like what he's going to do. And then it just went and I was it's just dumbfounding. I've never seen that movie before. Will this right here? Yes. This whole entire monologue is what's echoing. Why that ends matters in this way is that like, this is this is the art. This is what revolutionaries, this is how they talk. This is how they think. And this idea of change and reform and, reinventing this is what this movie ultimately is saying, but it's also honoring what works. Yeah, yeah. And and and and then also what happens when we go too far, which is I think is really, you know, like, you see, this is so impassioned about making things better. Let's do this, let's do that, but let's make it good. But when we do make those steps, are we actually making a good right? Are we actually going in the bad direction. Well, and then for his career specifically let's go. Let's keep going. Innovation all this stuff. The next thing around the corner buddy, is sound. And that's what ruins you. So like how how good I love this, cut with him. That one. I love that. That's a great cut. Just falling forward. We didn't see him hit the roof. Great cut. I love that the. I'm going to bed. Yep. Yeah. It's great. It's hilarious. But, yeah, I think this is a lot about changing in the industry, tracking the change in the industry. I also think a reason why maybe this didn't do so well. I mean, in terms of box office, just because the thing's too damn long, it's like three hours and nine minutes. I think that's a long movie. People see that and they're like, oh, I know we're in a different era now, but for like a drama dramedy, you know, R-rated, it's the same avatar, right? Where you can be three hours and 14 minutes and people are going to do it. So I think that hurt it a little bit. And then, yeah, all the stuff we're talking about, about how things can get melancholic or tracking all that, all that change, do you think people, the masses, I guarantee you that they don't are aware of the the change or not even it's not even a change right now. But film is in a weird spot right now. Like overall, like, well, once I get, I know I'm there 31 minutes and 31 minutes. That is great. I don't want to flex. I leaned into you and I said something about that. I go, what a fucking beautiful. Like, we were like, this is going to be. Because that that's the longest sequence, the longest set piece, the longest part of the movie that the Wallach party. And anyway, we reopen with drool. Yeah, drool. She's got this. She's in a total, like, flophouse, total shithole. It's got like, 45 minutes to be there, but the, I think that's like, why Quentin Tarantino makes that statement about how the art form of cinema, the way that he loves it, is dead. Scorsese. Scorsese's said that it's not dead. It's just evolving. we're in the throes of that evolution right now, and I still don't think we have footing. We will. It's changed again because the comic book thing is done. The I mean, as we as we have known it for 15 years, where that is the main selling point. Yeah, that's there's still going to be comic book movies, but that's. Yeah, 20 that's that era is done. So they're going to have to find their footing. Like with the success of Barbie and Oppenheimer, they are going to have to find their footing of like are we doing you know, they're both based on IP. But like no movies have been made about that. So like, are we going to try to stick with like original stories or are we going to keep doing this, you know, IP thing. Yeah. What were you are definitely like 2024 is going to be a huge, I think turning point for film the next few years. The next few years. Yeah. But I think that's what Damien Chazelle is getting after here is where are we in our state right now and what's next. Yeah. And with such a huge swing that he made here, I think this is what he's saying. He wants it to be. Yeah. Is. Yes. And and because he does have such a rich knowledge of the history of cinema, that's why we can trust it. Because at the end of the day, yeah, I think you will definitely agree with me. Like there's nothing new under the sun. We we can be innovative and we can do original things. But sometimes if you want to go to the most effective ways of doing things, you have to look at the craftsmanship from the past. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And and then make that your own. And no matter what, that will always work, will always work. And when it's clear that it doesn't work is when people try to actively go against it. Yeah, yeah I agree I agree. Look at this shot. Oh this is just a great it's like our second big set piece. The you know exterior telescope set dawn to dusk. The shot is first. This was the first thing they shot yet out there in the damn desert. I don't know how long it took them, but you have the most extras. Extras in this with all those. Damn. What are they, like, warriors, like, out there running in the in the field. It just. Oh, yeah. And it's huge. It's so big. So to go in there first, this is like, it's just crazy. You you just brought up something that I've wanted to talk about for such a long time. Okay, I'm so curious. With every movie that I watch as to what was the first thing that they shot, I'm always really curious, as, like, an addendum to that about. I'm always fascinated with shooting order. I always want to know, like how they shot something. What was the schedule if if you're watching a somewhat, flimsy performance, you can especially something where someone, let's say, has to have an accent. You can kind of like you can kind of trace how they didn't. Their accent wasn't really strong in the beginning, strong in the middle. Now it's not. It's like they probably either they shot this at first they were heavy with the accent or they working on the accent as they went and it got. Yeah, this is a huge thing to shoot. First. This is I mean, it's just madness. That is Olivia Hamilton as Ruth Adler. She was in La La land. She was in. Don't worry, he won't get far on foot first man. She's a producer of this film and she is married to Damien Chazelle. And she is great in this film. She is love her in this movie. Honestly. Incredible. The the sound sequence is like, I mean, oh no, she's great here too. She's this great. She's every time this year, who is she in la la land? I think she was either at a party. I don't think she's one of her roommates, but she's I don't know. I know, like, what movies are, and I don't necessarily know every role. Sorry. That's funny. I love pointing out all the things that you don't know. Thank you. I can't wait to keep doing this. Great. Spike Jones there. Yes. Yep. Kind of, stereotypical blowhard director. I love it. I just love him. I love how we're time stamping all this right now. Yeah. And after coming off of the title sequence. Right, right. And now we're just being thrown into this whole entire thing, and he's giving us, you know, what? Time stamps are important when they're done for a reason. He's trying to show you all of this is happening in a very short period of time. Yeah. And when it finally ends, you realize why that's important. Now you don't need to show that. But he's adding an exclamation point. He's basically like without these cell cards we don't need them. We really don't need to know it's 9 a.m. and then when it's going to be this time. True. But when you do know what it adds, all of a sudden you're like, this all happened in like the next 90 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly. All this stuff was compacted on top of each other. And then. But then what you do, like when you introduce the title cards is like 8 a.m., 9 a.m., 10 a.m. they don't mean much. But then when they're all going crazy and a little bit, it'll just a title card will come up and say lunch. And then they're all just sitting there doing nothing. That's funny. Yeah. It's fun. That's funny. He's earned that laugh from the title card. But yeah, the title cards will start to as the day goes on, they'll get tighter and tighter like one says 517, then one says 527. So and that's when, you know, pit is all trashed. Catch that line right there. What sandwich? All, all art aspires to music. Aspires to music. Yeah. yes. Yes. Would you agree? no. Not necessarily. I mean, I think art aspires to like what music can kind of do and how it can make you feel and like you can't necessarily put your almost everyone has had an experience with song or something, like, you can't put your finger on why you love them so much. If that's what he meant, then yeah, well, you you have used the M83 yes to basically crafts like here we go. 11, 15, 16 to craft so much of your work. Yeah, well, M83 is more important to me than any movie. It's. Oh, I've said that before on this podcast. I mean, that's. Yeah. So sure, if I, I mean, yeah, yeah, if I could ever make something that was that like M83 deemed was good enough to use their music. Yeah, that's it man. Oh no. You upset and set for life. And this is just great. Like, we don't like stuff no more like, oh, this would be CGI. Like, either the smoke, the the flames. Like, something would be. That's a lot of people out there just. I mean, look at this. It's like an old school scene, and we're seeing it, and we're seeing it filmed. Yeah, yeah, we're seeing how they did it. Love it. Let's go. Motherfucker! Faster! I mean, it's crazy, like how this was all done. Drop kick, drop kick some. You mean like in real life or in this movie? It both like. Because the way that they're kind of like, they're literally like an infantry. Like going into the into the battle with the camera. Well, what's, I mean, it's funny, in the movie, if it was like real life, it wouldn't be funny. But like the extra dice. Oh, like, they don't. They're like, oh, God. And then it also happens when, like, the cinematographer passes out in the sound sequence and they're like, yeah, works, you know, God, it just happens. What? Oh, yes. she's great sitting up here. I mean, they had they were hugely important. These gossip columnist. Yeah. Really like through the 60s or 70s. I mean, yeah, they were stars in their own right. They could write something that could make or break a career. I knew it, Troost. did you now, and they would do that. They would have the music playing live, like on set, like, oh my God, love. Let's see. Yeah. So and then everyone because, you know, while you are making a movie and it's crazy and like all everyone's running around you, everyone's got to eat like everyone's got to sit around and eat I love that. Oh God. This is awesome. They're like, let's damn it, he's dead. You did have a drinking problem. that's true. this is just what they're chalking it up to. Yeah. And then we go back to 255. Oh, my God, we're about to get to some. I mean, truly like classic scenes when pitch is getting drunker and drunker. oh. Max Minghella, they're playing. Yeah. Irving Thalberg, he had 12 Best Picture nominations. Three wins. And Irving Thalberg died in 1936 at the age of 37 years old. Young guy. That's how old the guy. Well, that's. I mean, yeah, they, a lot of people back in this time, you know, they didn't live as long because they were just partying their asses off all the time, caught off to them. And those look at that nose. It's like, this is great. Talking to Gloria Swanson, who would eventually go on to be in Sunset Boulevard. But he's doing a little, you know, verbal manipulation to get her on board for this new movie. I love it. And and I think we should also kind of point out, like in this next like, I suppose montage. Yeah. Of all of this this again, this is all. Chazelle. Oh, yeah. Anyone who's taking this seriously like that, that's the problem to. Right. Like you have to realize, like what he's what when the when the director is speaking to us and he's speaking to us so much in this movie, more than he's ever done. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I don't think that works all the time. You can't have the director preaching at you every step of the way, and even in certain movies, you just can't do that at all. No, no, but his stamp is all over this. This is a Damien Chazelle movie, for sure. And when. And you need to have this in order to be able to say that. Yeah. Ten cameras, cheeses. And I love this is the bit of going to get a camera. And, you know, driving on these dirt roads, the camera rental guys great too. So at least the whips you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Well, some of these might be a little bit, but we'll know those. Those are relatively easy for the thing I'm talking about, there's, there's like a scene in I think oh yeah. The best example where he's playing. And then it whips over to her and she thing that it whips back to him. Those are just all real whips. They're not, you know, doing anything fake. Like, yeah, those are all real camera whips which usually you know, there's, there are different ways to do those now. But I love how we do it. But yeah she comes go takes her moment. on watch it. Let's going to happen. it's so good. The score is so good. It feels like, it was just pre-made music. They uncovered it, like in 20s or 30s or something. It's. It's so good. It's like a wall to wall score. Almost again. What won the score this year? All quiet on the west and the Western Front for three fucking notes. I like the notes. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but I. Well, the Oscar thing with Babylon was it. It was just, it wasn't. It's a hangover from La La Land. They, they, I think they over they, you know, gave la La Land a lot of awards. Damien Chazelle is still the youngest person to ever win best director. And remember when the first man came out, you and I were stunned. And that didn't do better. That was going to like, clean up. Not necessarily wins, but get nominated for more. Did it did it win anything? It won visual effects, I think I think that's probably it. Yeah. They're going to get visual effects the first man. But they're not going to give it to Oppenheimer. So of course not. Of course not. Why would they. How much of a difference between 2018 and 2024 when it comes to that category? So fuck off. I know, I don't even know anymore. I I'd have to have all the nominees up or like all the way, at least a motherfucker. I know have all the winners of all previous winners. And whatever. And he's got a rusty at this camera. I love it, but yeah, all this moving, all this cutting, yelling to the music, the music, it's all him. It just works so well. And it's just the excess. It's. It's just the sexuality. It's just all of it just thrown right in your face. God. Yeah. I love her taking off and Sam getting plastered, and he plays drunk, so. Well, I'm gonna climb up that damn down that hill. Boom. tuck it. look at that. It's probably like Beverly Hills or something. Or it's supposed to be. It's crazy. I love this, camera rental guy. It's so funny. It's like, is there a difference? yeah. Yeah, I think another another thing that people may have had trouble with is how, obviously the movie's long, but how long? Certain sequences go, like the first to the party in this. They're cut, cut, cut. But as we go on, some sequences will go on for longer. In that mode of despair. Like when he's like, I'm only Toyama like that. Yeah. And you know, yeah, you either have to be on board for it or not. But if you're if you're on board and moving, it's just great shit. Well, and also like, we don't have a plot right now. No, no. They're like we're just watching people, that's all. We're just watching things happen. The plot is kind of like the movie business. That's that's what it is. The plot is the town. It's Babylon. Yep. And I mean, we're getting getting character. We're getting like, we're understanding who people are, but we're just watching things happen. I love that I can watch that all day. Maybe other people don't like that. No. That's true. This is not a plot based movie. It's much more character based, story based. And yeah, we're just watching people evolve and some of them die. I mean, most of them die. Honestly, don't we all? Yes, exactly. Don't we all? But some of them die early. I would say a little bit. This is great. What she's like. Carrie is going to go to you. Do you see the cry right here? And then it's here to me like, honestly, this is the hardest part to acting to me was like, like, wants to be in a movie. No, no. Like, if someone just tells you, like, right here, cry, boom, do it. I mean, that's pretty tough to just. Yeah. You want to be, like, prepared, like led up to that? Yeah. Knowing what's coming up, being like, I need you to cry. I mean, soon enough, she's going to be like, the camera's going to come in here, and then I need to see one single tier. Yep. She's able to do all of it. secret. Travel traffic back in 1926. Jesus Christ, tell me about it. Yeah. Smart move. Taking the ambulance. Yep. I just can't believe that shot this first. Like it's fucking crazy. This is so big. There's so much going on. This would be hard to film if it was just one, like, set or movie, but we're cutting back and forth between 4 or 5 of them. rude. It was not nice to say. Now she's going to become, muse because she can cross. Yep, yep. She's great. So she's really is. Yeah. Like, it's just really captivating. Yeah. I was really surprised that, I mean, none of the actors got any sort of acclaim for this, but whatever, I yeah, I really like it. You talked about snubs. I, I would say Margot Robbie got snubbed from a nomination over this more than Barbie. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's good cause she wasn't nominated for Barbie. I mean, in terms of like. I mean, obviously Bob Barbie is a much bigger movie. His biggest movie, the year's critically acclaimed, all that stuff, Oscar nominations, all that stuff. But yeah, in terms of like, acting, she's better in Babylon. Like, are you better? Yeah. So but movie's just too big. It's a different type of movie. And the Oscars do have a lot of trouble with movies about movies. You have to be a love letter. You can't be like a fuck you. And I know I just said this on a recent podcast, but it is true. She's great though. I mean, also remember, she's a producer. Yeah. Olivia Hamilton, so she, you know, when you read interviews with her about the making of this, you it was a lot to do. This is a big production. Oh, this is huge. I, I wouldn't even know where to begin. I had no clue. Like, how do you wrangle all this, the production design alone. And then you're trying to talk about all these extras, all this stuff. I mean, this is so much work. Oh, this whole movie is like this. It sounded good. It was some really dumb, but it's really hard to make a movie. Well, yes. It's like really, really hard. It's really hard to make a bad movie. Yeah, it's almost damn near impossible to make a good one. Yeah. It's really, really hard like to bring all of this shit together. That's one of the reasons why I liked it so much. Yeah, it's so big in scope. And to me, they landed the plane. Absolutely. It's just great. I mean, it's they landed everything. Like, to me, everything about this movie works and every single step of the way, like there's not one bad note to me. We'll see if maybe this is going to get the. What are you watching Nick, though? So. No, you said, Diego here comes in and out for you so that this is this has to be a seven seal call back. It has to be. Yeah. All climbing up the mountain. It just. Oh, yeah, it has to be I love it. I think it's hilarious. And he's so kickass I can't walk it. it's so good. All right. You've already called me out. It's not. It's not. No. Perfect. Yeah. I mean, it's a huge movie to be. No. Perfect. But it is damn good. And this is the way that it would go a lot. These actors could sometimes be, I mean, we did a whole Monty Cliff pod like actors. Could be completely hammered back in the day. And, you know, Monty Clifton's 40s, 50s and 60s. This is the 20s now without sound. I've worked with actors like this who are, like, drunk. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Yeah. I didn't know that. Directors. Too bad. It was be crazy rehearsals. But it's a little different because you like, you need the actor to be on. Yeah, but they would, Damn. Yeah. It's not professional. This is great that he just turns it on. You see? Right there to see it. Let's see it. Turn it on. See that butterfly? Oh, that's the best part. He's like, do I know or do I know? That's what he was asking to see what's up. But yeah, all those people in the background kicking up all that, even this shot, even though they're filming this shot, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. And they're cutting it back to this because once the light goes out, that's it. Light is gone. Go home, pack it up. like. I can, I love it. That was, we were talking over it, but when he's, when Diego's, like, wrangling all the guys, you know, he's all the horses. I come back to work and fire the gun in the air. They're like, oh, he's going to work out. I love that part. That's it, that's Wallach. Yeah, there he is. Yeah. What the hell is this? I wonder if he was at his own party. Like, was he like, er. Was he doing stuff? Who knows? I mean, had that right there. Just as, like a shot in Babylon is. Yeah, miraculous. It looks gorgeous. Look at that. Oh, I mean, get out of here, baby. Oh, you I love that that, right? I mean, it's gorgeous. It's just. Yeah. And then. Yes reminding us like the film is going through the camera. Yeah. Showing us what it looks like. No sound. Yeah. Showing it right here. Yeah. perfect. Here. This is. Beautiful. Oh, my God, I love this. Areas. His reaction? we were dying in the theater. The beautiful. There's a movie now. You got your end. Yeah. Pretty much. And it cuts right back to wide. I love that he's so, gentle. He's been screaming all the time now. It's like in cut, they put the fire out with this pesto. Did you see? Yeah. Like that's what they're like using. It's like just a comment, David. So funny. probably another reason why a lot of people didn't live that long. Oh, yeah, they, So. Yeah. Yeah. They brought it. Brought his ass all the way out there just for one shot that like that. Actors came out for one shot. Camera boy. I, I love yeah. that was a butterfly. butterfly. He's great. Yeah. And then, she's coming in to take over, like, titles for the movie. So we get to see how that was done. Like, this was all. Everyone had a job. This is how it was done. Just photograph the titles. It's crazy. there's that being gets done. Yeah. Now we get a little, bridge of, like, a wrap party. Post-production, making those titles. The premiere. We just get more fun. Yeah, just more fun. But a lot of these bridge sequences, they go, they only take a couple minutes, and they're. I think the purpose is to, you know, can't just go from massive step. yeah. And she is the one having sex with the ice sculpture. And what's so cool about this guy? The jazz players at this dude, this dude don't give a shit about movies like he he doesn't. He's just there to play music, and then he gets roped into movies and screwed over, like, horribly by them, immediately. And he's like, I'm, I'm out of this. So he doesn't die. He ends up just going back to his music. Yeah, going back to his love. I love this shit. I love seeing, I don't know, just the this process about how they actually did this, that they had to, like someone had to hand draw all these titles and they put them on a damn, like, chalkboard and they just film the chalkboard. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's just it's. I know, look at that. It's crazy. And they just filmed it. This film. Yeah. Not like digitally inserted. and that was, you know, largely how you told the story in the silent movie were the only titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, the nature of a screenplay is so different. Like, you can I mean, you can completely change it with the footage you have. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're almost kind of more going off of the images rather then you might have like a few lines that you want to say with it, but you see what that is and you're like, I'm going to change it up. Totally true comes Eric Roberts as a dad, Eric Roberts always plays a great shithead. Shithead. Whenever I think of Eric Roberts to this day, the thing that jumps my mind first is The Killers Mr. Brightside video. Is he in that? Yeah. Oh, I don't even know. I don't have a recall of that. That's hilarious. That's the first thing. That's the first thing. He's like the main like guy in the story is Mr. Brightside. No he's not. No he's the guy like because like essentially watch it. The killers are watching. like the lead singer is watching his girl walk away with another guy and he's like the sort of like party, like he's like the the king of the party. Okay? Or the kind of classy Mr. Roberts. Classy dude I think of, I mean, God, he's been so much pope of Greenwich Village. Dark Knight was a joker. Kill your woman. I love that you went from those two movie. Hey. Why not? Oh, not. That dude probably has, like, two, 2 to 308 credits only. IMDb is so, so much is the first thing on my mind. Wild child. They love it. I also like her, you know, getting the ticket because she's in the movie sitting in. It's kind of a little callback to like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I know it's, the deliberate callback, but she also did that in that movie. I just love that I'm in the movie. Can I get in for free? Damn, did she damn. Did she? Damn. Did any any call out to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? I'll be a fan of. There he is. Look at that. Look at that suit in that I got. He's great. Yeah, everyone's cast is great. These, camera movements are so fast. Yeah, it's boom boom, like. And this is a pace that it does. It slows a little bit as the movie goes. Yeah, it does. Oh. Then it just moves on. Oh. Side. Then you're just up by. Oh is that how it was. What like if you were to like, document like, you know, like a, like a tragic suicide or like, how about, it could have happened to someone sweeter. I mean, probably. Yeah. Back. That's. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, it's not, mental health was not the thing. Absolutely not. It was just like, hey, moving on. I mean, the dude died filming their movie. They're like, Shit. Well, he drank, didn't he? And it's like, what? That's your justification. I love this, those these two fighting slurs. She does so great in this role, Samara Weaving. Yes, but she does like very little. Just go in there and and just kill it. No. She's great. Yeah. Sort of like a jealous figure. Like. it's a tough role to to be like, you know, she's being kind of playing second fiddle. It's, just losing it the whole time. I love it. Second fiddle, third monkey, baby. What the hell is that? That's that's that one. Yeah. Yeah, it's a new one. I just I just came up with it on third monkey. Yeah. Second fiddle, third monkey I. Okay, it's going to be a thing. I don't know if it's gonna be a thing. Watch. All right, we'll see I got this. We gonna change the game. Oh, can't shoot without your star. I love these pictures they always get for, like, eyes. Big. But, yeah, I mean, the rise and fall. That's it. This is what? What the movie tracks. And when you fall, you fall hard. And sometimes it's not very fun to watch. But the, This is the stardom. Yeah. The living free and recklessly right now, they capture just so well. And like, you really do see how much hasn't changed. Yeah. I mean, just the the way that this is all building. I mean, this is Margot Robbie in a sense. Like, when she came onto the scene, essentially no one knew her. And Wolf of Wall Street and. Very true. Yeah. All of a sudden she just comes out in a wild, outlandish role. Yep. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, she's the biggest thing ever. She's doing the photo shoot. She's doing the whole thing. Now, granted, she's earned, I think, every step of the way. But, I mean, what's really changed. Yeah. Yeah, I, I think this movie is pretty good about that at times, tracking how this stuff can be cyclical and a lot of stuff just doesn't change. Who's in charge, who puts into the party all that stuff. I he's in about sound. Oh boy I love that. When he's walking in the bathroom the guy goes to shake his hand and he just kind of waves it off. It's like he's like yeah yeah I love that. I can't I can't go next to someone in the bathroom. Like what they're when they're talking to you. No, no, I can't go next to someone. Like at a stall. Like like like at a urinal. Even if there's a divider. Yeah. I can't go next to somebody. It's not my favorite thing, to be honest. It's just not. I like my privacy. Yeah. I'm not going to lie. I'm. I'm a stall man. I'm a stall. Yeah, I like stalls and and forget about it. If there's a trough like one of those just there's not a divider. Yeah. That's like, No, not my town where I went to college, but definitely that's like a college bar thing. Like I went to plenty of places like that. And it's like, I swear. Yeah, it's like, Jesus Christ. Disgusting. This is great. She's flip it out. But shoot his ass. It's hilarious. the way that he moves from wife to wife, it's, you know, they got married so quickly back then, like, it's like, you know, and it's like, Oh, man. Spurts. Oh, it's like, not even bothered. Man. Well. Yeah. I mean, they capture this. Well, Al Jolson, the jazz singer in 1927, that was the first use of sound in movies. He was, Oh, hell. Holy shit. I know he's just not fazed at all. boom. We don't even see the shot. Just like. Oh, yeah. Divorce. It's all they always say. This is about Greta. Moving in New York? Yeah. Now he's going to see Nelly on the street. So, yeah, I think I think about now we're an hour in. I think things have. That was a relentless pace for an hour. It was just relentless. And now things are going to start to slow down a little bit. The conversations are going to get longer. We may not not not all the time, but for some of the time we're going to be, you know, not all this crazy cutting back and forth between stuff. And yeah, just I think it works perfectly. So even as I'm thinking about it right now, after everything that we just watched it, if I'm asking myself like, well, what do I need right now as an audience member? Like, if I do, I need another big, fun, crazy, fast paced set piece, or do I need to actually start to know a little bit more? Yeah, I need to know these people. I need a little bit of a break. And our next like, big set pieces, you know, is the introduction of sound, which is like a break in. It's quiet. It's not all crazy. It's actually really successful. It's really cool sequence. If you even hear the music right now, I'm convinced that it's just in Horowitz. Right. Who does the, scoring? Yeah, yeah, he did it. It for all of them. If you listen to La La Land and listen to First Man and Damien Chazelle, if you listen to La La Land, First Man in Babylon, there's he does. It's the same melody. It's a little sweet with that. With the piano, they're like pop in the background. It's definitely not the exact same. It's not the exact same. To be able to be, like, nominated for Oscars. But yet you can tell it's him. You can. You can tell it's him. Like it's even in First Man. There's one scene where he's looking at the moon. Yeah. And it it even moves to that the whole entire thing. And I think that's kind of cool in a way, because it's almost like if you're watching a Damien Chazelle movie, you're going to get reminded of this is these are the notes. Yeah, that I love. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the same. It's not the same. But you can notice that similarity. And what's cool about him is I don't to I don't know to my recollection he hasn't done music for other directors or a lot. If he has, I do not know what they are. I only know his music. For Damien Chazelle, this is great because it it all, you know, molds together well. It adds to the Damien Chazelle experience. It does. Yes. He does the music. And what is that song from that called In La La Land? It's something about City of Stars. City of Stars. So it does kind of sound like that, dude. Yeah yeah yeah. Keep singing. Nah. Yeah. I don't want to hear that. This is sad. Yeah. This is, it's all about mental health. Yeah. It's really not talked about again. It's just like, all right. Does it I mean, yeah. And look at these colors right here. You did just cold. Yeah. Crappy. It feels like the weather outside. It looks like that. It happened when we went to New York. It got cold. It's raining. It's blue. Overcast. Oh, yeah. Not in Hollywood anymore. Give me at this place in New York can be gross in terms of that look. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, it can definitely hit it. Like, hit that dark, cold streak. But yeah, you're right. Now we're seeing since the craziness is stop now we're getting to like know her. We're getting to know the people where they're from. What makes them tick? And this is the accent that people have a problem with. Well, the people that movie like the at when sound comes out. Oh, yeah. When she starts to speak. Yeah. That happened all the time. All the time that people would. Yeah. When sound came around that people just. That's kind of what the artist is about. He has like a French accent and it's like, this isn't gonna work bloody. Yeah. You need to soften up your language. It doesn't work for Brad Pitt's character either, you know? This is probably. Yeah. This is another long conversation between them. You've called me out on my accent when we're filming. Yeah. No, no this is not true. I didn't say all right. So let me. You want to go first. You want me to go first? What? I said no, let me go first. I said I was casting Andrew Bongiorno as your brother. And I was like, you guys don't have similar voices necessarily. And you were like, no one gives a shit. And I went, okay. And then we moved on and that was that. That was all. It's all it was. You're like that. It's good. No one's going to give a shit. And I was, I just went, okay, and guess what? No one gave a shit. It's fine, it's fine. There was, there was something that we were filming. I don't remember what it was, but you came to me and you're like, your accent's coming out a little thick and something. Oh, shit. Well, but I forgot what it was I did too, and I did too. Well, but no, you're 11. No one gives a shit. I mean, sometimes I do. Yeah. If you're Leo from killers of the Flower Moon, I like to get excited that I did. Well, when it was there. It was good. Yeah. It was. Yeah. I don't need to get into it. I don't want to get into it. I want to get upset. All right. You dipped in now. You dipped. Dipped. He's going to be in next movie. They've been wanting to work together forever. Well very excited. Hopefully there's no accent no accent. I just like he doesn't need to because you do accents a lot. He does some all the time if you think about it. I mean, Wolf of Wall Street, he has a little like New York thing. Yeah, he does, he does. Yeah. And I, I don't think it's needed. I don't think he needs them. Yeah. Yeah. Leo can hang. Just be Leo. Just be Leo. Just fucking be Leo. Dude. Just be Leo, dude. She goes. There's a little there's a little melancholy in here, though, you know? She's whatever. I'm this big star, but I don't know. I love the way the movie tracks all this. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And you see, like, his, like, longing and like you see, like, at when he ends up where he ends up. Yep. It's barely making it out alive. Yeah, yeah. He kills somebody. Yeah. He fucking kills a guy for sure. Does he. Does he. Yeah. Yeah. Like he kills the guy. He does like. This reminds me of anchorman. Your favorite movie. Oh, brick, kill the guy. You guys saw that? I remember that chick because he's eating like a banana. He's excited. I love krill, that movie, I do. It's it's a good movie. Yeah. It's not. You hate that movie. Oh, yeah. You're right, you're right. I'm sorry. I was looking it. I was actually talking about the Jazz Singer because he's like, look. Yeah, I don't hate anger, man. I don't hate it. I just don't think the. It's not my sense of humor. It's just we did a whole part about it. Under the favorite, he did a comedy movies. Funniest movies you've ever seen. Yeah, this was a huge change. Obviously sound matching, sound movies. And you can see even there like he is because he's not an actor and he's not really his future is not in jeopardy because of this invention. Yeah, he's a producer. So he's like, shit, we can use this. Yes, exactly. Like you can see like how and how this is going to mirror the end again when he's watching these movies in a very similar theater like this. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it had to happen, if you think about it. Like if you already have this visual medium, if you're in the 1920s, the next natural progression is adding sound. Yeah. It's sound. It's just that everything's about to change. Yes it is. Is it ever. There you go. Nice cut. Hello, College. Here we come. What a great sequence like in it. He's really telling us here that, like we're going to the movies changing a little bit sounds mean. Introduce where this scene opens, like, so slowly and everything's. I mean, it's great. It's like this huge. Yeah. Two years have gone by now. Well, the hour last thing was 19, 27. But yeah, two years from when we started. For sure. Way to just bury me out. There is no way, dude, everything was so precise. Can't film outside anymore. That's too many sounds. It became like, look at all the walls. Like it was padded. It became their go to concentrated on. Sound like everything has to be absolutely perfect. It's still like that. Yeah. There's a lot of emphasis put on sound or redoing sound in like ADR and redoing, you know, your dialog later after the fact. I hate that ADR. I, I think the idea of ADR in the execution, because you are never going to get that emotion from it because it's all acting. You're never going to get that back. Like whatever happened on the day, what was going on in that actor's body in their breath in there. Everything. You can't recreate that. You can do the best you can. But like you notice it when it's there you can know it. Yeah I can definitely notice bad ADR and what we're talking about. Just to explain, I'm sure a lot of people know this, but that's when for any number of reasons, the the take the they want to go with your the actor's dialog isn't good enough for the director. Whether it's a sound got in the way. a helicopter is flying over outside. You just can't hear it a lot of times. And still to this day, action scenes or if there's dialog in an action scene that's almost always all ADR because you're focused on, like the explosions in this and that. So you're doing it later. But yeah, you can be asked to come in for 2 or 3 days and rerecord a lot of your lines after the film is edited. So we're talking months, months, months after you've acted. This is in their contracts largely, and you have to come in and do it. And yet what like you're saying, you have to be able to, convincingly get back into that character to, so that the audience can't notice that you're doing all this dialog months later and not only that, but you have to match it. That's what I mean. Yeah, you have to match, like the way it, you know, the mouth moving and all that stuff. Yeah. We've talked about this a lot with, Fincher. How a lot of his movies, if you know, he may use like, if your film footage is take, what, 48? He may be using the sound from like, takes 18, 28 and 36, like, because that's what he does. Or he'll just come in and rerecord everything. Whereas Christopher Nolan, Killian Murphy said he's done six lines of ADR in the entire time he's known Nolan. So Nolan will go for production sound, but that this is why sometimes his dialog is a little lower because he's he's he wants what was actually there on the day. Yeah. Because I just completely agree with that. Yeah. You're you're never going to get and you can just tell you can feel it. You're never going to get what was truly happening on the day back. And that's what you're filming for. And I even like Fincher's approach to it because he's matching different takes. But at least that was the take on the day. It was a take. Yep. Yes. It wasn't an ADR take where the actors can been completely removed from that character from the moment, from what was going on for the shoot. They film something else in between and now they're like, oh, I gotta get this accent back, or I got to get this emotion back. You lose all of that. The whole entire point of film is to capture what's the moment, what's there? Goddamn, it's not anymore. It's this will fix in post. How often do we hear that shit? Yeah, I'll fix it. Post. I'll fix that post. Some people Nolan chisel to. They don't like to do that. They do not like to rely on post. I think you know, Nolan is the one in particular who's like, what is in the camera? That's what I want to be on the screen. I think we have to say for, you know, we have to get a little inside baseball because this is going to come out. you know, we are recording this two days before the Academy Awards, the the Oppenheimer Academy Awards. So we do not know technically what is one. And this I know this commentary is going to come out like after, but yeah, for not like referencing so-and-so's wins on Oscar. It's because we do not know. But we got record commentaries because we're together. Baby. What do you do? No we do. No, we don't know everything. No you don't. You know it's not a lock. Oh, God, it's a lot. Don't. Don't do this to me on this. All right, let's talk about the sequence a little bit, okay? Yeah. Let's start because this is such a good sequence. Yeah, it is how it starts. Unravel. We got a rug right there from also from Wolf of Wall Street. He's great. This, they do, eight takes this total for them to get right. And it's just like 2 or 3 lines and then everyone, oh my God. Two celebrates. he steals the scene. He does go. I mean, this is I would love to know how long they film this for in like, that guy just having to be there the whole time, you know, be up like that. the, the as the producer. But yeah. See how this all sounding works. But they're this early. They were too precious with sound. Like it had to sound perfect. And it it a movie sound doesn't necessarily you know it but they were it was just so new. They were like, we have to get this right. You have to stand on your mark. And you see, like the sound recorder up in that booth. He's like kind of directing the scene. So it's like, who's directing the scene? Yeah, you know it. So it just made things so much more confusing. I do have a general question for you about the movie. Yes, that I'm wondering because it's never been explained when. What made you decide, because 2022 for pretty much the whole year and after during Oscar season, your favorite movie was everything. Everywhere just fine. That's your choice now, but very recently, you rewatch this movie unprompted and announce on the podcast that this was now your favorite movie of 2022. Yeah, which, wow, could have saved me so much heartache if you just realized that in the actual year itself. But you didn't. But it's okay. What made the change? Well, I'll also start by saying that to this day, the experience that I had with everything everywhere, all at once in theaters when I first saw it, was one of the most powerful experiences I've ever had watching a movie in theaters. Yeah, like I, I truly walked out of that movie feeling like I my life had changed in some sort of way. when I watched it again a second time at home, I still very much enjoyed the movie, but didn't have that experience with it. And, it when I, when I watched Babylon for the first time, I knew I was just when we were together watching this, I was like, this is just a level of craftsmanship that I just like a lot. And, when I rewatched it, I just, I saw myself more in it in a weird way. And that's just me being me where I, I put myself into these movies. And I think I also just again, just notice, like, how well-made this is. and that this is timeless. Yeah. Yeah. Like, this will never not be good to me. Not that everything everywhere, all at once will be bad to me. But it really was the situation where I was like, okay, this is I like this movie a lot, but it's not that first time I saw it. Yeah, this is one that's just going to age like fine wine. And I think that's what kind of did it. Yeah, gets better and that can happen. I mean, it definitely can. Things can jump off or be like, oh, wow, that was. Yeah, I love that. I love that this was. Yeah, it was definitely when after we saw it, it was one of our I think it was your number two. It, it was like two. Yeah. 3 or 4 or something. So it's not like we didn't, you know already love it. We absolutely did. But I remember being so impressed by this sequence and like, oh my God, they're actually explaining how sound like works. Yeah. It's like a sweat box there. He's got it. He does? Yeah. He does. There he goes. Perfect. we also saw, when we were talking, we saw Nelly get some pills from the count there. So we're kind of, you know, obviously, we saw her do a lot of cocaine at the Wallach party there, but it's starting to come in that, like, she needs us to kind of get through the day. I love how this shot never changes from up there. Like, you just put that camera right up there. Every time we go back to that. That's just the exact same shot. Yeah, we're like far away. Yeah. Oh it's great. And then what's hilarious they get it right on this take. But this is one take you got right. Yeah. Yeah. You usually need to do multiple correct takes that you have choices in editing I love this. Now my question is is because it always looks to me like those footsteps are the same in every, every time they're, they redo that. do you think. Absolutely not. He shot at new every new version. That's what I would have re used. That's that's just that's like being now what they probably they would have done all of those at once. All those shots. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then just, you know matching the camera movements the pan over. She has to match her movements. Yeah I mean different luggage dropping. Yeah. Oh that how do you many times you think Fincher would have done that like in 1928 or now. No. Now. Like if he if he was making this movie and was using the exact same, just like 100 is a hundred, but he wouldn't even give them, like, notes in between. He'd be like, I'd just do it again. Yeah, do it again. You wouldn't want people yelling, I'll tell you that from like, all over. Oh yeah. Because I like to. We get it. Okay. Yeah. To print that one. We did it. One take. Yeah. Only one usable take. Yeah. The whole rest of the damn movie to go. Yeah. I love this guy so much. Oh he's great. Check the gate. Can't check the gate. Bill is dead. Is dead. Right? Did he die? I think he's like cardiac arrest, I think. Yeah, that's like two shoots that they've shown us in a row where someone dies. Yep. Oof! Tough bill. Yeah, yeah. Music. Oh, bummer. Yeah. There you go. Ready to pray for sound? Oh, my God, there's so much cynicism. Yeah, there's just so on. It's like. Yeah. Oh, well, that's that's a shame. Let's move on. To some Broadway. Oh, gosh. That's my James story. It was before he was a it was all around. It's nice though, to poke a little fun at her because she's gonna, you know, she doesn't respect what he does at all. So it doesn't really seem like a very good relationship. What did you think of my James Stewart? It was good. It's good. All right. Good. I was looking for some validation. Sorry. Yes. That's good. Good actor. He's so good. What's your favorite James Stewart movie? Vertigo. I did, yeah, well, I guess so. Confusing. Like, he's good in that he's really good. And Rear Window is great. Anatomy of a murder I don't know, he's just great. Like Anatomy of Murder. He had to go a little into, like, reach out a little bit. Same with Vertigo. Those are the ones I like. Yeah. Where he's, like, getting a little darker. Not so much like Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Good movie. Well, you just don't like Capra. No. I love It's a Wonderful Life. We just talked to this an about face films, but isn't, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington? Isn't that Capra? I think it is. Capra. Yeah, yeah, I believe I mean, it's a good movie. Areas. Yeah. Business props. So this is going to take us right into the, snake fight. in the desert there. I could get a sandwich face. And I think I've heard Chazelle say, or someone has said that, like, when they're in the desert and the snake stuff is happening, and Brad Pitt's, like, trash. And just looking around, that's kind of like the beginning of the end. Oh, like the fun? Yeah. It's like, all right, this we're just like, crazy now. This is insane. It. Well, it feels like that too. Yeah. Like it really does. Like it's sort of like, okay, like, where do we actually go from here? But this is also it almost feels like that's reaching in a way to, like, are we all still kind of trying to be what we were before all this? And then it just kind of gets it's a little sad and depraved. Yeah, sure. So that happens. George in trouble again. Georgie? oh. That, can't get his head out. can't get his head out of it. So it's like, take the toilet seat with him. Oh, man. That's that's a terrifying feeling right there. Yeah. You've had your head in the toilet like that. Stuck up. If you ever like. And like staircases, like, put your head through, like you're in a kid. Put your head through like the bars. Yeah. And you couldn't get it back out. Yeah, yeah. Because there's no other kind of panic. Like. Yeah. You're like, I'd be like this for rest of my life. Yep. Are you get a hand stuck in something. Terrifying. Those, What are those? Those finger traps. Oh, yeah. That you use. Yeah. Like as a kid? yeah. You can break those, you know. Yeah. It's true. When, Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt met there, that was their first time on screen. Even though they've been in a few movies together. They were in Hollywood together, but never had a scene together. Never had a scene. That's what I mean. Yeah. First time like, actually on screen, I mean, and they were both at the Wallach party, but they weren't in the same, you know, scene or shot together. And she, wasn't supposed to kiss him on that take. That's right. Yep, yep. But she did it. She did it because she wanted to. And it worked. And it worked. At this a nice little moment, we could have a whole entire discussion about how that role was reversed, how that wouldn't be. All right. Well, I mean, I mean, not by today's standards, but 1928, I think. No, but this what I mean, this happened, they filmed it in 2020, 2020. Oh, you mean if a guy. Yeah, a guy did that. Yeah. I mean, usually talk about that stuff, but like her audition for, Wolf of Wall Street, she, like, smacked. Yeah. Face, I think. Yeah. That wasn't so. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, I just applaud, like, bold choices. Yeah. She's going for it. She's going for it. It's not like she's like she was doing it because that's what she felt was honest for the character. And it is honest. Yeah. Exactly. Right in front of the wife too. Like the stakes just get raised so much. I, it's it's tough. Yeah, it's Damien Chazelle's voice we're about to hear. He's the one talking all the smack about Margot Robbie's character. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. That's him. I mean, he's talking to someone else, but it's definitely. His voice is the main one, you hear? Oh, wow. And then she just uses that as, to, like, keep fueling her craziness. There it is. That's why he died. 37. Because you trashed. It sounds. Man. MGM. Yeah. So he's one of the guests. It's tough. We did. We did a lot of, stuff like this for. There I go, like ADR, like. Well, yeah, but ADR. But we didn't really do ADR. Like, we didn't replace lines, but we had background. We brought people in to do, like, background voices. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's part of the what do you got to do. It's part of the game to kind of fill things out. I remember I didn't know that at the time. This is when the expression fire just came out. Yeah. And and and I tell you that one in the scene like we wanted to have like this idea that there were a bunch of people at this bar waiting for, you know, a drug delivery, a drug delivery. And we were like, we should we should say like like, I'll wait. You guys try to shit. It's fucking fire. Yeah. And I go, what the fuck is that mean? And you were like, this is the new thing. What everyone's saying these days I go, but they call it that's fire. I got so upset about it, you know? But we put it in, but we put it in, and now it's seems, almost seems dated. Exactly. You know what I don't understand? Cap, cap cap. Oh. Like. Yeah. Like the. Yeah. Cap. No cap. Yeah, yeah. The thing about like these words that come and go with new generations, there's a lot of them are just like stupid. And you got like, just like, ignore them and stay true to how you want to talk. I don't mind ribs because it comes from charisma, but. But it makes sense. I know it makes sense, but no one's going to be saying that shit next year. This time I. Yes, they will. I would bet, bet it, but I don't think so. I think it's just going to fade out. It'll be something else. I will fight a snake. Yeah, she's challenging him. There she goes. Licorice pizza had a little bit of this. Two were like they, you know, Sean Penn and Tom waits, like, meet in the bar, and then they go out to the golf course and do the whole the whole thing. It was, again, it's just like we're drunk. We're out here, we're trash. Let's go do this again. Don't do this fun thing for no, for like, real, like, reason other than just, drunken fun, I guess, I don't know. Yeah, that's such a great scene, but. And, and and Licorice Pizza. Yeah, I love that. A tale of the cock. Yeah, yeah. Real place. Wait. Right. That restaurant was real place. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Man. That's awesome. Best believe is still still exist. Damn it, I knew, like, I, I don't know if it's still there because it was like the valley, but if it might be it, I don't know, it might be. It might still be there, but if not, he modeled it. That's. That is what it looked like. That's what it was called. It might still be there. I don't know. Why. Do you think they call the cocktail help? I know the question. Probably find it somewhere. I'll look it up. All right. Good. I don't think this dude's ever fought a snake in his life. Who has? How many people can say. Yeah. Professional? No, but, jeez. Yeah. It's like, let's bring everyone out here to the desert to make an ass and my dad. And that doesn't work because he passes out. So then she just goes and does it. great. Soon. The position. Look at that look on her face. Oh, man. Here, dude. It's just so dangerous. Yes. Incredibly. What is even the goal of, like, fighting snake? Like, how does one win? What do you do? Like, I, I imagine they fight it with your teeth. I don't get it. I just to get control of it. Yeah, I think it was just to get control of it. Like have it not hit like strike you and and then. Yeah grab its head and stupid game that just. Just pissed. I'm scared I'm not I'm not on board. Yeah. This is like. I mean, this is a long scenes, like 14 minutes of, at that party and then here out in the desert, and I do think things. Yeah, things are changing. Characters are going to start to die after this a little bit, you know? it's it's great. and then the savior comes in. She knows what to do. Lee. Yeah, I remember I was not expecting this at all. Like, for her to pick it up. Well, for her to pick it up. But then what happens? You got to grab by the head. You can't yet see. Boom. That's I, I had no idea like that was actually going to bite her. And red is crazy. It's not. Let it go. Yeah. Oh. Okay. see, it's just it's just good shit right here. Yeah. he's got the toilet seat. That is. It's still. And when they were in the car, it was like, it doesn't look that bad. Oh, yeah. That's the shot of, like, It's all. Yeah, yeah. Yes it is. We're grasping at straws now. Yeah. It's all I don't know. He wears it on his face so. Well. Yeah. bread. Yeah. He's just great. I'm still surprised that they're not a single actor was nominated. Just nothing. It did surprise me. Oh, yeah. I mean, picture and director. I get that they didn't give him the hat, but, I mean, it's great in this movie. I'm not saying any of them necessarily would have won, but I know. Yeah. Let me out right. Oh, like, thought he's going to say negative. straight up is. I wonder how long would you actually be able to survive with a snakebite for that long? Well, if it's I don't know about. Oh, it's still attached to this. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, it doesn't take long for them to put venom in you, so. Oh, no, I mean, what she does, I don't know in terms of sucking it out. That's what you're supposed to do. Suck the venom out. But I don't know if it would have, like, fully if that would have fully worked. Oh, thanks. See that visual effects. Supposed to be special effects. Yeah. Special effects are stuff. They're practical. Real. the sound of it. Yeah. It doesn't sound pretty. yeah. So who knows if that would work, but I'd suck. I'd suck the venom out of you if you got bit by a snake. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not dumb enough to fight a snake, so I won't. But, you know, if we're ever walking around, I'm glad to know that, you'll do it. Yeah. Snake was attached for a long time to. You know, they took back the jellyfish thing, like peeing on it doesn't do anything. Yeah, I think it just, If anything, it just. I thought, what did they say? Like it sterilizes the area, but it doesn't like. It doesn't? Yeah, it doesn't do anything. I don't know what sterilizes it very much either. I don't know what you can do for jellyfish sting. I'm other like medical assistance. Yeah. I mean, other than medical, like in the immediate and immediate aftermath of it. Like, are you supposed to go to the hospital for. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They'll kill you, I never have. Oh, yeah. Had I heard say one of those painful things I could ever. Yeah, like a burning, a stinging. So I've heard too I love jellyfish. I think they're the most, like, fascinating creatures out there. Cool to look at, not cool to swim next to. No, no, but I mean, they don't they don't have brains. Yeah, yeah. Like they just swim. They swim. It's crazy dude. Anyways, so this is a direct, you know, foreshadowing to the end here. Yeah. Especially when you, you know. Yes. And what we should be filming. I think you should have the cameras turn around. Yeah, that's what it is. And that's Noah's ark. Georgie. I love that Norma's here. Buster Keaton. They got the whole MGM family. God, this is like, what CGI was like. It's like, oh, we're just going to do this now. Yeah, we're just doing it. We're just going to. We're not actually going to blow that up. We're just going to. Okay. Yes. In this line up here that I think those cameras are pointing in the wrong direction. It's kind of like the the ethos of the whole movie. And a little bit. Yeah, the camera's turned back on you. That's amazing. He's not even dancing in it. Yeah. He's like a god. And then the one constant here is again. Well, it's something that makes it personal to you. Oh my God. It is the son from fences. It's crazy. Yeah. I love this. And then, of course, this will all be called back when he sees Singin in the rain in 1952. Yeah. I mean, it's it didn't take long for when films started to start making movies about movies. Like, it had to happen quickly and, yeah, it's an interesting thing. I love that. And we're seeing the wheels spinning and Manny. He's got a very expressive face, man. He does? Yeah, yeah, yeah he does, he does. He's great. Yeah. You can see the wheels turning. Yep. He's got an idea. He's an ideas man. He's an idea man. That's right. Now we're going to get another kind of bridge sequence of yeah yeah. He's got him on stage and he's like good. We're going to film him and he's going to get offered a new job here. Ellie's losing control. You know we don't see this much anymore these days, though. What, you know, because like, this, like, form of the musicians in the backgrounds and then the dancers or whatever, like, the main song was like. You can see it in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with the hullabaloo. Like that. That was like a very popular. Oh yeah. Way of just doing things. Yeah. You don't really see that anymore. Maybe the most you see it as in like talk shows. Yeah. Not in movies for sure. Yeah you're right. The live band. Yeah. Aspect of it. Yeah. I love this flea comeback. We haven't seen him in a while. Yes. He, I heard him on a podcast. Oh, yeah. I believe he was with Marc Maron, and he was, he talked about how seriously he takes acting like he really? You've heard that, too? I've heard him talk about acting before. Yeah, he does take it serious, but I do believe that is the greatest bass player who's ever lived. Oh, wow. That's. That's person's first. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So, yeah, he's recruiting him over to kind of scope get more, more job. Get Nelly under control. Nelly's, She's out of the bag, man. I guess sounds like a donkey. It's like you. Like. Yeah. I love how great this is to it. Yeah, it looks a little overexposed. And I've always like that. Yeah, that walk off was great. I love trying to. Turn it. You know, we're gonna quickly arrive at the first party, which is just great, where she's really trying to be all contained. Oh, yeah. And, like, again, like, this mirrors things now, like, what do we need to do to, like, change a certain look of somebody? Oh, yeah. He got plastic surgery. Oh. This is. Yeah. That's definitely still goes on brand. You know, like, how are we going to rebrand? Yeah. Yep. Their little moments are so great. Yeah I know, and they, they do kind of they're they're meaningful when you see them like this, when it's just one on one in private. Yeah. You get a few of them. Yeah. And they do good with her. Like she doesn't look good. She looks like she's been through it a little bit. Oh yeah. Yeah. I love that. Thanks. I haven't met many year party dude. We're going to change your image. yeah. We see, man, he kind of toeing the company line here. He has to make some hard decisions coming up. And it doesn't really like the more responsibility he gets. It doesn't really like it. I mean, it's it leads to his Hollywood downfalls. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's why he has to leave more responsibility. And he doesn't really handle it very well. Well, if I can kill Sky so. Oh I mean, no, he doesn't handle it. Well, I. Know Manuel. It's my favorite song of the entire soundtrack. The score. Score. Yeah, I have a few. I downloaded the whole thing, but then I, like, saved a few, like, ones that I really liked. You downloaded it, like, on my phone, but it's. It's not downloading. It's saving. You just. It says download. I have to like, download it. It's like on my phone so that if I'm on an airplane, airplane. Okay. Okay. So you did you downloaded it? Yeah. But not like illegally. Like you don't lose it through my service. Through my service provider. Yes, yes. Download it. Let's do it. I like to score. Dan and I went to Denver a year ago for an M83 concert in an hour. On our last night there, he was like, can you just do one thing for me? Because you know how he is. He gets something in his head and it's like 1030 at night. And I go like, it's our last night. We have to wake up early to leave. And I'm like, okay, sure. What? He's like, just follow me. So we leave the Airbnb, we go to this empty field, like empty field in Denver, like a soccer field, I guess. Brought a Frisbee and he brought his speaker and he starts playing the Babylon score. Well, they were just throwing Frisbee back and forth for 15 minutes, and he was like, that's all I needed. Thanks. I was like, okay, I'm going to be I'm going to bed. Until the neighbors could have heard the score a little bit. I was like, oh, you got to turn that down. What time was this? It was 1030 at night. on, I think that Sunday. Yeah. Because we probably left on Monday or. Yeah. Oh, my God, it is fun. I mean, look at him here. He's telling her to. She basically has to concealer sexuality. To Broadway notes. He doesn't like that. Yeah. the pacing is back though. But yeah. Yeah it feels different. He loves those greens. Yeah. He has great use of color. That whole argument la la land on their dinner is all green though. That was, that was like I was watching something and I was like this has got to be a direct reference to that. Oh really? Yeah. Something like new. No old. Like that's what made me think that. Oh, so la la land was it Lala land was a direct reference to this one thing. Walk. What was it? Cause I was like, this is just. There's absolutely no way that this wasn't the influence, because it's almost like the same setup. Oh, shit. In an apartment. It was that from. Fuck. this is this is terrible. This is when it all, you know, the music gives out, finds out, is it's body died. Yeah. This is a great little speech he gives to her. You know what I what I do mean something. Because she doesn't care about movies. You know, she thinks it's, low art compared to Broadway. He's she's always good. Yeah. man. Poor George. I just felt that right there. Yeah. He handles it so well. He's kind of fighting for himself here, too, you know? It's not a low art. I imagine her she's probably like, what the fuck is this guy talking? Yeah, she doesn't know the phone call you just got. It's like, all right. Yeah. I love the way he plays this. Just. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's movies were made initially for that that everyone could go. Yeah, they weren't expensive. You could just duck in a nickel and. Oh. Yeah. She's always great. Her reactions. And it's crazy, like, when you think about how the tide has changed. And theater was everything for the major city of the 1900s, so. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And, but then really, movies came around and, and and, I mean, theaters still in existence, but I mean, the joke is, is theaters dead? That's always the joke. Now. Yeah. But what the hell are movies, you know. Seriously. Well, when you got TV, you know. Oh yeah. TV shows thriving great or or YouTube. Yeah. YouTube. The interwebs. Yeah. this is terrible. When he's when he watches, you know, they all laughed. I mean, this isn't it? He's not in the theater here. I love this one. He's like, does it work? Yeah. Truly doesn't know. How that look on his face. is it though I love that. Yeah. Yellow light coming from the door. man, he would have told you. He looks like a Conrad Jackson mustache. Great name. That's a great name. Yeah. The mustache does a lot. Has he. Has he been eating it in this movie? I don't think so. I don't think we've seen him eat. Seen drink a little bit. Yeah. I don't think we get much eating is a great scene. So Damien Chazelle said this sequence because they are going to the home of William Randolph Hearst. They don't really like call it out, that it's him. You know, such a big character in Mank and other things. Yeah. He said this was the hardest big set piece to film. Oh, really? Not yeah, because everything was so contained and everything is so here and like, tight and there's so much going on. And they did not have a lot of time to do this. so he said this was the hardest one. Yeah. I got a kick out of that. Where where do you hear? because he doesn't have a commentary for this interviews at the time. He did interviews at the time, podcast, stuff like that. And, they have on the 4K, on the Blu ray disc, there are a few special features. There's one that's where he's talking. It's like 20 minutes or so. Okay. 20 minutes is good. He's talking. But yeah, I miss, not having a commentary, certainly because it's commentaries for Whiplash and La La Land are really good. Nonfiction. First man. Yeah, he was first man. yeah. Yeah he did. Yeah, he does. First man. Yeah. I love this. Always trying to completely change who she is. That's not on her. That's on someone else. No. Yeah, yeah. But she's like, what the hell? I hate this shit. Other actors who have played her first Orson Welles and Citizen Kane, of course. Oh, James Cromwell played him. Edward Herman, Charles Dance and Mank. Great stuff. The guy playing Hearst here is a guy named Pat skipper. He is Harry Truman, Secretary of state and Oppenheimer. So yeah, he's just he's only in two scenes. He's like in the war meeting. And then in the scene with Truman. But he is about to get, puked on by Nelly. The role here, good sport. The. it's like, no. And then, like the disapproval. The woman wearing that rabbit. If we hopefully they show her again. She. Oh, she's looking at Nelly with, like, such contempt. But the woman with the rabbit, her name is Jennifer Grant, and she is the daughter of Cary Grant. Whoa. Yeah. You know the woman wearing that rabbit over her? As a part of her wardrobe? Her? Oh, that's. They kind of look alike. Like, I paused it when I figured it out, and they. They kind of do. I can see it. Yeah, I can see a little bit of that. It's just his daughter. Yeah. That. And this is great because it's, you know, it is much more contained and like, slower. But all the same people are here who were at, you know, the party and filming outside and all the party in the beginning, I mean. And it's just such a different vibe. Like we Jack Pitt here learns like in the midst of this party that his career's like gone down the tubes, you know. I mean it's so stuffy and it's just not at all like where's the elephant? Well Nelly of course finds the room or the drugs are. Also on that, on the 4K, there's some deleted scenes and stuff. Mostly like alternate scenes. Okay. Kind of longer. So this. They have a much longer cut of this whole scene, but, like, you can't I mean, you can't keep anymore in, like, you had to keep cutting down, you know, three hours and nine minutes is no joke. Oh no. It's that's that's, it's a long, long movie. Yeah. Even though longer movies seem to be more accepted now, like, it's like, you know, your movie makes a play for the big time. It's got to be, like 2.5 hours, it seems. I really do wonder if that will change too. I wonder if in the next few years, because I think that was because the superhero movies, I think, yeah, they were the first ones to be like, yeah, like endgame is, I think 255 or 250 or something. Avengers Endgame, it's like, yeah, we can whatever, we can do this. If people are going to come, who cares? So maybe, maybe people are just getting used to the idea that it's there because it's they're going to see the Marvel movies that, you know, they're going to they'll sit for a 2.5 hour long movie. Right. But it's and if those comic book movies are one either much less popular in, you know, upcoming years will and then if they are less popular, does that mean that they're even if they still have the long runtimes, that that will maybe trickle down to other stuff and they're like, no, let's go back to the two hour movie because we're we're like in a weird phase where it seems like 230 is like a normal time for a movie in it. Yeah, yeah. It's not it's long. Yeah. That's a long movie. That's that's how we were. We were growing up. It was like 100 minutes. I feel like was the bar that you wanted to get to, like 100. Yes. If you. An hour, 45 minutes, something like that. Like the idea of watching like casino, that's like a big deal. Whoa. Yeah. Or Schindler's List was like a huge deal. I just rewatched that with my father in law. It's not even that long. It's like three hours. It's. I'm just saying it's not long. But when I was, I love it. Someone kindly tell me. But when I was coming up, Schindler's List was like a huge, massive epic. And it's like, well, you know, it's three hours. Remember the 90 minute movies? Yeah, yeah, those were big in like the 90s. Sometimes when I go back and just watch some of my, you know, movies I like from the 80s, early 90s, I'm like, shit, this thing does get you in and out in like 95 minutes. And that's all that it needs to. Yeah, like. Some stories are, you know, if they need to go bigger, they can, but you can tell a very good story and, you know, 9000 minutes. Yeah. So that's something I'll have my eye on. And, you know, in the next few years of this kind of the median runtime of movies, American movies goes back down. Okay. She couldn't handle it, couldn't keep it buttoned up. Yeah. She ain't made for high society. Oh. This must have been so much fun to play. Oh. For her? Yeah. I mean, you're the. You're the only one in the scene. You know, there's everyone's around you. You're the only one doing stuff. But when you love it, when you get to, like, unload. It's so much fun. There's nothing better than hilarious. I love that she actually leaves the house. Like, she leaves and then comes back in to puke. Yeah, yeah. So funny. I mean, I mean, get thrown shit around would be so fun. Oh, so much fun. Have you ever been to a party? And you seen someone, like. Like cause a scene like this? Not like this. No. I've been in. I've been at a party where, No. Nothing like this. Like I've seen dudes, like, get into it at a party and, like, maybe fight, but nothing. I've never seen someone like flu. I've never been in, like, a high society party, though. Any weird? Anyone worse. But, I mean, if it's just like a house party, there's not that many stakes. Like she's doing career, right? Yeah. Like she's so. I mean, it's not that many. Yeah. It's just like a house party. Just like a fucking idiot. I love this like, why not go puke on the drive or the or the yard? She has the idea. Yeah, right. No pets. Get face. Here he is. Oh, yeah. Oh it's tough. Oh, my rug. what a good sport for doing that. Oh my God. Oh, man. My mom would be cracking up right now. I don't yeah she thinks puke is hilarious. Really I do too. I mean like I, it's hard for me to, like, watch. I feel like I'm gonna puke or something. I can't do it in real life. There's nothing I hate more than puking. Yeah, it's a tough. It's a tough beat. I've been going. I always feel better, though, after I. So what I say, I see, I don't I feel like I'm going to die if it didn't like you. Yeah, well, I mean, you do feel like I know, but. But even when it's over, I don't feel better because, I feel like my body just went through the most violent thing ever. It is really violent. And I'm a screamer, too. Oh, yeah. Hey, like, it comes out like bloody murder. I don't think I'm going to live. This is directly from Singin in the rain, the movie. This, like scene is pretty much. And it which many will see many watch at the end of the movie. But the I love you, I love you and then people laughing. It's crazy how bad inflection could ruin a performance like that. Voice inflection. Whereas when he was trashed, hammered on top of that mountain as the sun is going down, it was worse. Yeah. Oh, it's so tough. Can you imagine that? Just watching a bunch of strangers laugh at your shit? I mean, I can't, I can't I never made a fool of myself. Ever, ever, never has I like this. Another cut in time. Yeah. And you can tell though, too. Like, even even just. I don't even know how you do that. Like, it just looks like it has. This does something really cool to that the movie doesn't really do elsewhere. Which are these, jump cuts in in this interview where, you know, we stay on him the whole time. But we'll cut to further down in the interview. It's great. Nice cut. This little sequence, we'll go back to the, timestamps like we did when we were outside shooting all that stuff. And this will be Jack learning very quickly that he can't. You know, he doesn't have the cachet in town anymore. Can't get in touch with awkward Winklevoss calls. Oh, what a lie. man, shouldn't we. Great costume as that outfit he's got, man, there's just so much there. Yeah. Great choice. Only keep it on him, too. Yeah, she'll get her moment a little bit. Oh, yeah. That office scene. yeah. It's coming up shortly. Yeah. What's the question that you think if someone was to ask you, like you couldn't answer like that? What do you mean? Like when you say, do you miss the silence? And then he has to just like he takes that pause. You can tell, like, everything about him is like. Yes, but he's just like, nah. I mean, yeah, usually like, I mean, he this is a work situation for him because that's what he does. So usually like in work situations you have to tell a little like, yeah a little white lies and you're like, oh yeah that's that's cool, that's cool. Right, right. Or like when someone tells me that one of the best movies I've ever seen is everything everywhere all at once. Whoa. And I'm like, yeah. And they're like, did you like it? And you know, if it's someone I've never met before and it's like a good thing, I'm not going to be like, oh, it's not. I just I listen to them. And it's the same thing with Matt with Fury Road, how we have literally heard people like, just go, oh my God, it's so good, right? Right. You guys like it, right? And we're like, yeah, yeah. It's a it's okay. Yeah. It's terrible. Oh my god, a true thing. No, I mean, they did this stuff, but this is Manny's way of learning that he not man, he's sorry. This is Sydney's way of learning that movies are for him. He's good with the music he's got. It's musical. Stick with the music. It also kind of shows how shit rolls downhill because, like, the producer is telling Manny, man, he's got to go tell him. It's like the producer doesn't go up to Sydney, you know, it's oh, oh, and then it just cuts right to it cuts no, no sound. Boom. Oh my God. yeah. And they're like, oh, it's a. He does it. He does it once and then yeah that's it. Learns his lesson. So ridiculous. Yeah I love, his eyes say everything. Yeah. Yeah. Look at all this pressure. Like, if you don't do this, then the movie's done and no one gets paid. It's like, what if I don't do this one thing? That's crazy, man. You know, it should happen, so. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think this is probably happen honestly with, like, coercing women potentially into, like, doing a nude scene or sex scene that wasn't initially agreed upon. Not anymore, thankfully, but I think that has happened in the past year. Oh. So yeah, shit. I mean, there probably were situations where there wasn't even, like a level of him even trying to kind of like, smooth it over, like, yes, it's like, hey, put this on. You're fired. Yeah. I mean, yeah. And he doesn't need that noise. Go in his banned anywhere. Oh, good. I mean, and it and it really is like, I mean, by showing these realities because, like, someone could ask the question of, like, what is the point of this part of the movie? Like, like it's a very short little sequence in the midst of the bigger. Oh yeah. Like, oh yeah, I suppose movement. But why are we taking the time to show this? And I think this is like Chazelle just kind of doing his point of like, as much as, like, this is a love letter to movies. This is the fuck you. Yeah. Yes. This is like this. It's not a perfect industry. It's not a perfect business. It is gotten. Yeah. It is harmed a lot of people. That's what he's showing. And it is not for everyone. Yeah. Not a lot of people are cut out for the ridiculous demands of the movie industry and that it's not right. Yeah. Like so much of all of this stuff is. Like the at what cost are we just trying to get this idea of this image out right? yeah. This is really tough to watch. I remember in the theater wondering, like, are they really going to show? Yeah. Laughing they did. I was like, oh my God. And his performance is so good. It's just you can see it in his eyes. Then yeah. Wiping it off like I'm out of this game. Yeah. Oh God. It's terrible. Jesus. His eyes though I mean. Yeah. They're so expressive. It's telling us everything. Yeah. But what I like bullshitting to like gaslight him into that. No one's going to get paid if you don't do this. Yeah. Because now you're putting the like everything on pressure on other people's jobs, livelihoods. Right. Yeah. That. Yeah. We're, going to quickly approach the Brad Pitt Jean smart talk, which is like a five minute scene. Yes. He's like, fuck this, I'm out. yes. It's just great. It's so well-written. It's so well performed. He barely speaks. Once she gets going, she delivers it so matter of factly. It's just perfect. It's a thing that's kind of hard to talk over because we just want to, like, watch it. Yeah, yeah, it's costume's great here. And the production design and the colors. Yeah. Just how everything fits with everything. Oh, God, it looks great. I love his delivery on stuff. Sometimes I love it, but. Yeah. She said she read the script and this is what made her want to do the movie. This monologue. Yep. And then the I mean the end of it with him just saying thank you for that. It's like oh. Yeah. It's perfect. But it's a great succinct way to describe what happened to so many performers. But then you know your time is done. It's over which is a tough blow to hear. But then her butt is you. You will live forever. Your face will live forever. Yeah, mine will not. I'm a gossip columnist. When I'm done, I'm done. So it's kind of like a, you know, double edged thing, bittersweet thing to hear. man. Dropping the hammer. Yeah, she's seen it. She's seen it. I love that Grace. And she uses this metaphor against him. but I love that she knows her place. This is not a high and mighty thing. She's not like I'm amazing. I'm the best thing ever. I'm. I'm going to be done to trust me. I am a cockroach. Oh, she's so good. Do you have any relationship with her? Seen her in anything? She's done an HBO show, hacks. She's really good in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but your boy Chris Mac. That's right. Max in it. Goddamn right. Come back for a third season soon, I heard, Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So it got got renewed. Oh, good. Good, good. I did just read a an article with Chazelle who said it was really the first time I've heard him talk about the, the kind of lack of success of Babylon. Oh, and he's so, like, matter of fact, about stuff. He he was basically like, yeah, it was a swing. And I'm, I'm writing. I'm writing a lot because they were like, you know what's next? And he goes, I don't, I don't think I'm like in director's jail, but I'm, I don't know if I'll ever get that budget again. And I certainly will not get it for my next movie or two. And that's fine. That's fine. And, you know, it's hey, that happens sometimes they go up and then they scale back down and go do some a little smaller. I just hope that he doesn't lose that big swing mentality. Like I hope he doesn't just start to play ball. I don't think he will. No, no, I don't think I don't think he'll like toe the corporate Hollywood line. Then I do think he'll take swings. I don't know if they'll be quite this big, you know? I mean La La Land and Whiplash are swings in their own right. Whiplash is relentless. Like it never lets up. oh. In as these huge sequences that you're like, what? Is this going to work? Yeah, there's I mean, I definitely think he'll be committed to telling stories in unique ways. God, I hope so. I still give La La Land a lot of credit because I've always said even though it's not, you know, musicals are not my thing. If you have to sit me down and force me to watch a musical, that is the one I'm going to pick. Yeah, it's a good musical. It's like musicals are not my thing either, especially when they break in to random song and dance like they do in that movie. In things like Singin in the rain. Every song is within the narrative of the movie, so every song, it's like in it, so it makes sense. But yeah, I was seeing La La Land the week and it came out at the dome. Arclight dome was actually the day it came out, the Thursday. I just didn't think I was going to like it at all because I don't like musicals and I was so wowed by it. I really yeah, I enjoyed it. I was I definitely wrote a sugar high for that movie. Oh, you sure did. Yeah. It was your favorite movie of the year. That just wasn't a good year, though, for movies, in my opinion. 16, 2016. Like it's ish. There's some stuff in there. Yes, yes, Manchester by the sea. Of course there's some good stuff don't you? Of course, of course, certainly. High water came out it. Yeah, yeah. But it's not, there's not like a bunch of. Grade days on there. That was another fade up. Fade it up with the sound sequence. But we're fading up here to something crazy. I mean, now we're like, definitely angling toward the beginning of the end here. Now we're going to hear names like James McKay for the first time, it's Toby Maguire. Oh, I know, oh, you're doing okay. I'm sorry. what? Yeah. I mean, this is tough. Like some of the threats that they made at her. And I think she, She's out 85 grand, which is a lot in this time period. I. What's the equivalent of that? Yeah, I did the math. I looked it up. It's $1.78 million. Crazy 2020 for money, 85 grand. And she doesn't have it at all. I'm having a bit of deja vu. Yes. Did we have a similar there Will Be Blood? Yeah, we did read where he obviously. I'll give you $500. And I asked you that was like 1919. And I said, what do you think that is adjusted for inflation? You were like, I don't know, a thousand. And I'm like, no, dude, that was like, I totally forgot. The math was like 32,000 or something, adjusted for inflation, which is crazy because he just gives him like 500 bucks. That's a shitload of, you know. Oh yeah, I get the I'm sure I have the math wrong. I don't know, but I know for a fact that I look this up 80 51. 78I don't know why, but I just just now thought about, doc from back to the future three, which filed a matter of $80 a shot in the back. Gambling debts are so, like, crazy to me. Because you you're you're not even. You're not betting with your own money. Like she doesn't have 85 grand, but she lost. It's just so weird to me. Like these card, you know, card games. But they establish that up top. She's a she can't do it. Can't, she can't handle it. Do ever wonder why the guy at the end doesn't kill him? You know how he like. Oh, yeah. Comes in and kills the one dude and then, like, the count, boom, boom, boom. It's really bloody. And he's begging, but he let him go. Maybe because he's like, he believes him, you know, I'll leave. I'll leave. I think it's like, oh, I love this. Yeah. Silence doesn't hear anymore. What, what another ballsy move right there. Yeah. She's just like. It's just he's sick of her shit, you know? And yeah, it just cuts out for a little bit. Makes you think like something's wrong with the movie. Almost. Yeah, exactly. But that's what I mean. Like, everyone, like, I still never forget that fucking sound guy told me that for. There I go. What sound guy? So. Oh, when when when that. When we were in post for. There I go. I had this idea for one sequence to just be completely void of sound. we both love that idea. We both thought it was the right choice, but we had some lingering issues with the sound for that movie that we just couldn't really get on our ourselves. Yeah, yeah. So I went out and hired a guy. Man, I wasted probably like $1,400 on this asshole. Welcome to the world of movie making, folks. This is what happens. And, granted, we did get something out of him. We ended up using a part of his mix for the jazz one, one sound for basically one like effect for yeah, for 49. He remixed the whole movie and we hated it. He hated what he did to eat it. What the hell? Is he ruined it. Yeah, he did, but then he did. He gave me one idea that we ended up using. But yeah, but I remember I told him, I go in this part right here. No sound at all. None at all. So he does his pass. I come over and is like house and watch it. And we get to that scene and he's added like crickets. Right? And we're just like outside sound effects. And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? And I said, no sound here. And he goes, no, the audience isn't going to accept that. And he was like, they're going to think something's wrong with the movie. And I go, no, no, no. Like you're missing the whole entire point right. The point is, is like at this moment we get that there's nothing. Yeah. And he refused. He would not do a pass with. Yeah I was paying him right. He still wouldn't do it. He's like the I remember. And then you came over to my apartment and I was like, who gives a shit we're going to do? It's not like it's a five minute sequence. It's like 10s. Yeah, it's not very long. Yeah. And he just just refused. Then he and I remember I got my victory because when we premiered at the, at the LA Festival in a packed crowd. Yeah. I was like, if this works, we're not going to hear it. Or like, it's you could hear a pin drop in there and we could and. Yep yep, yep. Fucking worked. Fucking idiot. He got paid though, didn't he? Yeah, he sure did. Jack's last role here taken a shit part bad movie. Oh, God, I love this. How many movies are done? What up? 82? Because they were. They could be shorter back then. Yeah, they just made them so much quicker without sound. When sound came in. Yeah, it slowed everything down. Yeah. It's like, is it crap? Tell me it's crap. It's hard for Brad Pitt to act bad. yeah. Because, like, it is crazy how good he is. The real emotion. Yeah. Oh, God. Directors. directors. Knowing how to talk to actors is a real art. It is a real, real art. And you really have to know how to do it. And you have to talk to every actor different every. Because every actor has a different. I mean, if you're up at the level of like Fincher and stuff or Soderbergh, cool. You can you can do your own thing and the actors listen to you. But when you're making, like an indie movie, yeah, you got to talk to everyone differently. Everyone has different sensibilities. Yeah. She still, some actors need to be coddled, some need to get pushed. Yep. And, and you can't really do it in front of other people either. Yep. Very true. And sometimes you just don't really have the space. You're like, come over here, come over here, come here. I always like to give like very the most basic direction possible. Faster, slower more stakes. Yeah I like when we're on set. I don't want to talk and talk and talk about what you should be doing, you know. Yeah, it's. I would always just try to give 1 or 2 words. That's how you and I did. It worked. Yeah, yeah. Let's count what an asshole. He's like, I got the money and it's prop money. this is a great sequence. I have my way. Don't story. Oh, my God, he's made me think of a dream that I had. I think I told you about it. I don't know if right now is the time to say it, because we're about to get into, like, a really good scene. But it was. Well, fuck it, I'll just do it. I had a dream where you were directing like a huge, huge, major motion picture. Yeah, like like like, like a huge, like, period piece type thing. Like one. Exactly like your cup of tea. Right. Which movies? Movies that you hate. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And, and you were dealing with the lead actress who, I don't know, in the dream who it was. It was like a fictional person. But she was the. She was a handful. I was having problems. You dream? Yeah. Taking up all of your energy, your time. You're losing money, like, by the minute. And I had a very small part in it, and you literally came up to me and you're like, listen, I don't know what the fuck to do with your character. So do whatever the hell you want. Just don't make me have to direct you. which is something I would probably wish you. You would. I think I would know what to do with your character, but I would. I could definitely see myself coming up to you and being like, I don't have time to direct you. You got to do this. Yeah, because I got my hands full. So you got to figure this out. Hey, maybe one day. Yep. One drink. This guy is great. Ethan Lee or the count? The Ethan. Super. Yeah. Which is just crazy. The like his his amazing. Well, he's got nice work, Hudson. Oh, yeah. Jacked. I didn't even recognize him when I saw him. I was like, oh my God, that's the guy from Remember the Titan or I also American History X Mallrats or ETS. He's no remember the Titans, right? No. no. I'm. No. is he me? No. I don't know what I'm thinking of. Well, Toby, here's Toby. God, I love him. What? Fucking makeup. What are they drinking? Like absinthe and ether. There's ether mixed in with it. That can't be. Oh, there's the assassin. Yeah. Brandy and ether. Yikes. Okay, what is it? What is it like? Why is he look like that? Like what? Like his eyes. Yeah, I think just probably like, a constant drug user drinker, and it's just, you know, his eyes are just totally burnt out. Red. I mean, ether's the shit they're doing and cheer and loathing when you say it. Don't do that. And this dude just put in his fucking cocktails. I mean, he looks like he has leprosy. He looks like he's got. Yeah. Looks like he's in terrible shape. Bad, bad shape. I love this so much. It says, yeah, we we were dying. Oh my God. Satirical talk about politically incorrect. Oh, yeah. God. Like. I mean, this shit still happens. People are like, hey, I got a movie idea, you know? Oh, directors. And it's. And they're like, no, wait, I, I can just pitch you. And it's a dumb as shit. You've never. I hear directors say that, like on podcasts or interviews. You're like, oh, let me tell you, God, I got pitched once and this person's like putting everything on this pitch. And it was just terrible. I, I have a really I'm not going to say his name because I don't want to hurt his feelings if he's listening. But I have a really good friend, like a really, really good friend. Okay. Who has been out here who kind of knows the industry and he's not in it anymore, and he will every now and then call me up with all seriousness, be like, Nick, I got an idea, my God. And he'll lay it out. And it is the worst idea I've ever heard. And he knows what's crazy. And he's like, go and talk to like, MGM about this. I'm like, how the hell I can't talk to MGM about anything? Yeah, what would you think? I got their number on speed dial. They let me in the gate the like. I would understand even more from someone who's never been out here. But you've been out here, and you just, like, think that I can have these connections. And I'm certainly not going to sell this. Right. Exactly. That's like, if I did have the connections, you think I'd be hawking this shit like this? Oh. Oh, that's hilarious. And I have to be nice because he's so, like, serious about it. I'm like, I can't even joke. I can't even be like, this is dog shit. Yeah, it's really funny how an idea in your head could be like, you think it's the best thing ever. And yeah, I've I've been in that situation a lot when people are telling me their ideas and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Well, even like, sometimes like, like when I have an idea, like, I'll usually run it by you or like a handful of people, but it's usually like in a very vulnerable situation, like, hey, do you think this is cool? Like, is this, like at all an interesting idea to you? And, most of the I mean, I don't really actually remember coming up with the or you didn't really like, but it's still like one of those things where it's like, I think I'm gonna try something with this, but what do you think of this overall? Right. Like a couple sentences? Yeah. Because he knows it's funny money. You know, it's funny. When we first reviewed this movie, it's all together. Then we reviewed it. We. Dan called in, we put Dan up to the whole calculus to, you know, so gross. So Dan was on. And when we were talking when Dan was on, you and I figured out, like just by talking or, you know, assumed that this asshole of Le Dark Dungeon club, had to be in some way a callback to irreversible to go. It has to be. I'm convinced it is. And I've never heard anyone else talk about this. I've googled it. I've looked it up. I've tried to. I've, like, googled Babylon connection. Irreversible. But it has to be like to even call it the asshole. It's the rectum. It's irreversible. Like it has to get there. There's no way you can't because it just goes all right. There's two layers of just depravity, and it's not as. It's not as intense as irreversible. No, no, not at all. But I mean, yeah, you're you're going up to and each layer of this club is more and more depraved as you go up and up and then this. Yeah. They're just going down. Down. Yeah. To more depravity. There's no way. There's no way in if, if, if we were to talk to Damien Chazelle and ask him this and he said, no, actually, I've never seen, you know, cause, you know, if I could talk to anyone involved, like with this movie, even, like, you know, a first A.D., like something like that and be like, was that, like an inspiration? I would that would be my first question, probably if I could talk to them like, well, you know, or like if we went to a Q and A and they could ask questions after, I probably would ask that. He just put on that terrible, like, light makeup, just looks like a clown. Or is he has to do it to cover up how I know. But it doesn't look, it doesn't make him look like much better. Really trippy music here too. I mean, come on, change. Oh my God, this is so. I remember being in theater with you and thinking, I'm like, we're like 2.5 hours into this thing, and I do not have the slightest fucking clue what's going to happen here. Like, I do not have any idea. And what a gift that is. So what we're like so far to the movie and we're so, locked in, like, on the edge of our seat, like, what the hell are they doing? It just gets worse and worse than ever. Tell you what, like, as you know, because, you know, Toby is like, basically saying, you guys see this one? Guys, I played freak show day. I never tell you what he thought. It should have been. No. What? Oh, God. He's like, what do you finally get to the reveal of what it is he's like, it should have been like Leo. Like. Just in a cage. Yeah, yeah, look at him. Look at that specimen. Well, it's pretty. It's something that this guy just, like, eats rats, feeds him rats. But if it was know doing it well that would. Yeah. I mean, that would've been nuts. I bet the movie would have been. More people would have seen it. You got to see this shit at the end. But then that's such, like a gimmick. It's such a yeah, yeah, it's such a such a Dan idea. Jesus. How do you get to really wonder? Like what? These people. I mean, like, live where they go. This poor guy's chained up. Jesus. Yeah. Oh, I, I can't I couldn't do it. Yeah. It's, This is a strange way to have fun. I would say it doesn't look like anyone's having fun. That's what I mean. It's not my kind of vibe. Like, people are cheering for this guy down here, but it's. It's not, I don't know, just doesn't seem like a good time. Who runs this place? That bathroom's go against the wall. Yeah. Who cleans that up? Oh, Jesus Christ. This is where people were leaving, I remember it was this. Yeah, because, well, like I just said, like, we're 2.5 hours in. I had no idea where this was going, but that intrigues me. But it it bothers some people. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. We didn't have like a ton of people in our screening, but we definitely had a few. And I remember I was really pissed because there were people on their cell phones and yeah, down in front of us, I actually positioned myself and I was like, putting my head like, kind of behind you so that I couldn't see that guy's phone. But that was ridiculous. He was like on his phone the whole time. I remember that, yeah. 30 minutes. It was ridiculous. Like full brightness. Yeah. Full brightness. And I don't really I don't know, I don't want to have to leave the theater to like, tell someone. And then I missed the movie. I don't know, not going to do anything about it anyway. No. I really wonder if this was based on some sort of truth. Like it had to be right? There had to be shit like this, right? Oh my God, around this time, I feel like there's just nothing that would shock me in terms of what humans have done. True. Just like if you can imagine it as somewhere, somehow it's happened. We're the worst. Yeah. Pretty much. Oh, yeah. This fucking guy. Like, how many of these do you think he pounds? Duh. How much protein is in a rat tail and everything? Bones and all? I don't know. And all. Oh. That's disgusting. Like, this guy loves it. Who who found him? Yeah. To anything for Cat. He would do anything. Oh, no prop money. I already know it's on this idea. Yeah. This isn't fun. This is a music. What is this? it's so believable, though. Just the way that he is. James McKay. yes. This is one man he's about to kill. A guy. No. oh. Yeah. This is like a. Oh. So be. Yeah. Because of that, it does make me wonder that, like, I mean, he's the one that did it. You wonder why the assassin doesn't specifically kill him first. Manny, but you know. Oh, well. Yeah, it's a good point. Actually. It's a very good point. Maybe the assassin wasn't happy with his job. Yeah, this this movie was just like, putting us really on a roller coaster. I had no idea. Like, where we're getting off, how fast we're going to be going. Yeah. I'm glad if I. If, I guess, I guess thinking about being an extra, I would have much rather been in the opening scene. Hell yes, in that one. Oh, thanks. I mean, it'd be cool to be there though, and like, see the set design and all that stuff. So there's maybe wild asshole of LA. Yeah, there's this nice cut. Jax. Last scene. New, New lady. Of course. He's so happy. Like that's such good. Yeah. Just like friendship chemistry. It's one of the only people that he can be like his old self around to. Yeah. Like that charm that er. Yeah. Like they like. x back jersey. Hollywoodland. Yeah. Ben Affleck. Yeah. Yeah I, that that that guy gets I get that guy. I don't get necessarily like killing yourself, but that idea that, like, you like this thing you love that you can't do anymore, or you that you can't do the way that you want to do it and just eat you up inside. Yeah, he. This is a guy whose whole identity is in the movies and his stardom and all this. And then in this conversation, I guess it all just kind of the melancholy clicks. It clicks over. It's sad. His death. Scene two. When we cut back to him alone after she leaves, we'll come back to him. And then it's all one shot. It's about two minutes long when he gets up and goes upstairs, gives away her nice tip. Party's over. Yeah. He's always played melancholy so. Well. Yeah, it's. Kerry's it. I'm tired. Poor guy. But this was, you know, I don't know how common, but this definitely happened. You know, actors just come to the. It's over. Yes. Jean smart says it's over. So they. Wrestlers. Yeah. This is it, man. This is. They can't give it up because of this. Because what else are you supposed to do? Yeah, I get it. Yeah. He really does have a lightness to him again. Like he's his back there at the party. Ciao, Bella. poor Jack. And it's lady, his new ladies right there, too. And he's still just. Yeah, we come back to his coverage at all. Be one shot. like I didn't expect. Yeah. Right here. I didn't expect this necessarily for it to to end this way. For him to say a life. Yeah. Strikes and gutters, man. highs and lows and. Tough. I wonder where this location was. Yeah, I feel like I knew at some point. I don't know, though. You did? Yeah. I love that. man. Talking to the youth. Talking to the youth. Future's yours. The the youth. His youth is wasted on the young as they say. As they say. I think it's a fair thing to say I understand. Very accurate. Yeah. You don't really know what you have when you know he didn't either. He didn't know that that was the best. These were the best times of his life, Jack. I mean, you know, he didn't realize it. Now it's gone. And you know, it's so depressing. It's just sad. It's really sad that this is how it ends, but it's real. And then when it's done, it's like the it's not funny, but. Right, as soon as this is done, we have to, like, get back into the Manny. Nelly kind of thing. So like, the drums start up again, it's like, here we go. Yeah. Or, you know, Lee just died, but we got to keep going. Oh, so well shot though. Oh, yeah. And like, you know, like this thing, like, you know, it's about to happen too, but it's like, there's still something so. Sadly like compelling. Yeah. Once you started walking, I was like, oh shit I think yeah, yeah. We're. But then that's who just has a gun. Oh. Looked like a lot of people just had guns back then, you know, like they were just hanging out. Who knows what the laws. And yeah, now the drums are just going to kick back. Oh there we go by Jack. There we go. Handheld. Handheld. Everything's crazy going to Mexico baby. You're going to fucking kill us. God. Okay, I feel and this is a very goodfellas. Oh, yeah. Like. Yeah. Yeah. And to that. Yeah. Well, I got it from Goodfellas. I would say so, yeah. Just very. That whole thing, like being far back, flat on straight and then pushing up. She's a real piece of work. Oh my God. God, she just never gets it, you know? No, no, she's all like, whatever she's thinking and feeling. That's what she wants to do. Let's get. Oh, my God, she's just gone. Just going to dance. They got dancing here. Maybe they got dance in here. Yeah. It really does not, like, understand gravity. Its situation she's in. She did last night, but not now. It's so funny how the. There's, like, two photographers who recognize her. Yeah. And weren't you the. I think he's now. Yeah. Now he's like this is not I can't you know I can't do this shit. Yeah. Those guys. This is really sad too, because she's just someone who. It's like she doesn't think she's any good. Yeah. She can't be with him. Can't be with anyone. I love how the camera's going in. focus. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. This is here. this is me. I'm here. In her. Her obituary goes very, very quick at the end, but it says that she died at 34, in Hollywood. No foul play. Suspected a likely drug overdose. So it means, like the James McKay guy didn't try to hunter down, you know, I mean, it didn't because I don't think she dies like the next day. There's a whole, you know, so that's kind of interesting to parse out. They sent the assassin and he probably said he killed the three dudes. Nope. She doesn't know how to accept love. Tough. And he turns her, though, like they have, like, this right here. Yeah, yeah. And then as soon as she's alone, it's. Yeah. Dancing in the moonlight Street. It's all done. Yeah. She just like a hell of a proposal. Yes. Seriously. Add. I mean, this is it's been like, a fun, you know, energetic movie. But it is a tragedy for a lot of the people involved. At least for Brad Pitt. It's a tragedy all around. Yeah, yeah. oh. What's your opinion on PDA, like in real life? Yeah, there's always a fine line between it. Right? Like, if if you're looking over and seeing two people like, absolutely go, you're like, Jesus. I mean, literally get a room like, it's, But I'm not people showing affection for each other. I'm all for that. But you know what I mean? I know what you mean. You can be, like, all over each other and you're like, all right, guys, Jesus Christ, I don't know. Mind. Whatever. It's fine. Yeah. It's not something I really pay attention to. Honestly, I don't know. I'm kind of like, if I, if I see it, all of a sudden, I kind of, I just say I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. If you're, like, going for it, it's like, all right, guys, chill. But at the same time I'm like, you know what? Good for you. I like to see people in love. It's all good. You don't see. I just feel like, you know, we live in such a stuffy kind of place. Now that where you see anything like that, it's just sort of like. Oh, but then again, I've also been. I've been. I got kicked out of a bar one time for it. For making out. Yeah. Jesus. We were in a booth and it was getting a little much. We'll see. Yeah. You guys need to get a room. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I would have. I would have taken issue with that. I've been like these people over here and the the security guy at the bar knew me too. And he's like, Nick, what the hell are you doing? I gotta get out of here, man. Shit's too much. She's got her hand down your pants. You're taking your shirt off. It's like you guys have to fucking get out of here. this is great. She knew what she was doing. Yeah, from the evening. Ain't life grand? It's really a perfect way to. It's a perfect sendoff for this character. oh. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. From light to, like, we know, like we know what her fate is going to be before we know it. Yeah, yeah. City of stars definitely sent it. Definitely sounds like that. Very similar. single lamp light. I love that. Oh. It's perfect. She's just off. I don't know it. I don't think her obituary it goes by so fast, so I don't know, like, how much time passes. It just says she's 34, so I don't know if it has, like, a date on it or anything. So I don't know, you know, from this shot to when she dies, I don't know how much time, but you. Yeah, it's once we got here, I was like, oh, that's what this was. This was set up as like a tragic figure story for her. At least her arc. This is crazy. This guy comes in just blown away like, yeah, this guy, my roommate, I live in, like, a shack. Jesus. It's just. It's amazing. The count. Kills Kyle. Yeah. So now he's out of bullets, so. Yeah, my thinking is that, like, he was probably sent. There was two of them, so he was sent to kill two guys, and he did. So he probably could go back to Tobey Maguire, be like, yes, I killed two guys. And, you know, they probably would check, I don't know, but it's nice that he let him go. That guy's got a great face. Yeah. You do wonder. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Let him go. Nice. Maybe this is his last day of doing this job. Well, that's what I think. I even said that way back in the James McKay sequence when we first met him. Like, I maybe that guy was kind of done with his job. His ass, and he's like, I don't want to do any more. For a second, I thought he was gonna die. I thought the guy was going to come out and be like, I told you to leave. Like yelling at the street. He's like, what the hell? Yeah, I just told you to get the hell out. You're making a scene. You better get out of there. Now we're going to. Close up everyone's story. See Sydney performing way outside of Hollywood? Yeah. You need that Hollywood hustle. Fresh from pictures. Yeah, that's pretty much this wrap up, everybody. Yeah, we get a few eulogies. And then we're going to. Jump ahead to 1952. But yeah we got to see a few people out here I just like that he Sydney found you know he found his way. Found. This is where he's he's home just playing in like a club, playing music. Don't need the movies, don't need crazy parties. You realize that right now, we're living in the 20s. Yeah. And that funny, that crazy like what started in 1926. Two years. Is it 26 now or it's 2026 rather. Yeah. We're like, it's 2024. We're in the mid 20s. Yeah, yeah. It's weird. That's crazy. Okay. 2024 2025 is next year. It's crazy 25 years. Oh yeah. Here we go. Yeah. Oh, Jack. Lovely. Jack. But I love you. Eleanor's there. I love that. They're just talking business. They don't give a shit. Terrible. I love that. Just blow me up quick to. Yeah. Here we get to see the city changing. He's he's teaching us up. Yeah, he has to swing in the. Yes, yes. Teaching is up for it. Showing some, you know, stock footage, all that stuff. I mean, it's just the construction of everything. Yep. Everything's getting bigger. Everything that's being that was is being broken down. Yep. Yeah. Little, little blurb. Fallen star. And here we are back in Hollywood, 1952. He probably can't explain parts of his life to his family. I assume so stand in for Paramount. There. Looks great. I got to go in that lot. Once you got to go to, like, a screening. Oh, yeah. Like the first time I was on the Paramount lot every other. So this is the only time that happened. I went on that lot a few times for screenings. So they, like, escort you on and off. But the first one I ever went to, I was done with my screening and everyone was like, leaving. And I looked around and I'm like, there's no one here. So I just walked around. I mean, it was like it was like 9:00 at night, like it was. But, you know, the whole studio. I didn't walk for like that long, but I was like, looked around. I was like, Holy shit, these huge, you know, sets. Oh, yeah. Paramount lot is where I had my, first, major auditions. Oh, really? Like on the lot a lot. Yeah. NCIS. Oh, wow. Yep. You into the side entrance and, Van Ness. Yeah. And then, yeah. They tell you where to go to get in there. It's like a whole. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy, considering what they would have me do. Like like you're go. You walk this whole entire crazy, like, look at everything. You walk into some small like, little one off office space, go up an elevator, then there's like, 40 actors, just like laying around a whole room floor. Yep. And then you go into an office and they're like some guy behind a desk, and he's like, all right, go ahead. And then you say, the one like this for me is like one line. It was like like, like one sentence. And they'd be like, all right, cool. Thank you very much. Then you're out and it's like, how is this any of this makes sense. Yeah. What the fuck was that. Yeah. I love this. Just walking around slips into a Marilyn Monroe. Looks into a theater. Yeah. I had no idea where this was going. Like, I mean, no one knows where it's going. But when we were, I'm like, what are they? What are they going to arrive at at the endgame? I was so into the movie, I didn't even put together all of the Singin in the rain references that they had done, and then I didn't put together like, yes, sing in the rain in 1952. I just had that took me like, well, once I saw it the first time, then I was reading about it. I went, oh yeah, duh. So I watch Singin in the rain a few times. A lot of similarities. I also like how you like Falls asleep, like it's kind of like a dream, you know, I just I don't know it. It fits. It's perfect. It's crazy. You should just be able to buy a ticket and go in whenever. You don't have to, like, wait till the movie started. You could just go in at any time. Big movie theater house. I love that. Make it. It makes them wonder, like how long it's been since he's seen a movie. That is. That's a good time, right? That's a really good thing to, like, kind of explore because, like, maybe just being back in LA, like, he just completely left that life. And. Yeah, because he's really kind of wearing it like this is the first time that he's seen anything like this since that night. Yeah. Falls asleep I love it. And it's like his own memories wake him up because this is what he was talking about with Sidney. He plays this so well to. Have you scenes you've never seen Singin in the rain right now? I've seen it when I was a kid. Yeah, same. That was the first time I saw it. And I basically re explored after seeing this and it I mean, I, I definitely seen it a few times, but yeah, I was musical. I always had a fondness for, Yeah. Not me. Yeah. Yeah. That was one of those, I mean, it really, honestly, any any musical. I'm just. Well, I like movies about movies. And that's what Singin in the rain is about, making movies. So that's one of the things that. But yeah, traditionally, it's my least favorite genre that are animated animated musicals. Jesus. Can't take them. Yeah. That time, that place really was special. Here. And we think right here. I thought this was it. Yeah, I thought this is a movie we're just seeing. Like, you know, his turmoil. I thought we were going to end just seeing, like, the people watching the movie. But now look at all young people. Yeah. This is all one shot, too. We came down from the balcony. You go along now, we're going to go back up. There. It's a beauty. That's all right, though. They're fine. But like, again, like, this is these are. This is the moviegoing audience. Yeah. Diverse. Everyone's into it. Paying attention for that kid. Well, whatever he was, that's all right. It's mom dragged into it. But like this. This is what people do. Like we go into this theater to watch movies. Look at this shot. I mean, this is like, yeah, this is some crazy crane. Like a techno crane or something. Just an insane crane with such precision. And to get that lighting. Yeah. Oh, we ended basically where we started. Like, we started with him crying. Went all the way down. So impressive. 50 movies. Exactly 50 are shown in the end segment. Not all of them are feature films. Some of them including some of the cool like effects shots that happened before. You know, Indiana Jones and Tron. There's shorts like, like avant garde shorts. So not every movie that is shown is a feature film or even, you know, I mean, the very first ones they show obviously aren't, but yeah, they just must be like completely hand-picked. I yeah, I, I've always wondered I've heard him talk about like in the editor talk about this sequence, but I don't know exactly who he had to pick the clips. Right. Like especially if they're from those avant garde shorts. Yes. Avant garde guard, avant garde garde. He had to get them all clear. That was. That couldn't have been easy. Like, Cameron was like, oh, yeah, look at that. It's so much brighter. Warmer. I love that, Cameron was like, yeah, you can use avatar. It's fine. When Avatar The Way of Water was in theaters. Yeah, it's kind of cool. It was a shock. I loved it, yeah, because it was literally like, hey, we could go see that movie right now. Yeah. I was like, what? And that's the most recent movie that he shows. But then he ends on none other than Ingmar Bergman's persona. Yeah. God goddamn right. Yep. Here we go. Here we go. It was like, right around here when I went, Holy shit, he's going to take it all the way to now. Yeah. Yep. Seen most of these? You know what that I mean, forget about it with this one color. Color coming in. Yeah. Color movement. And then the prévalence, never forget that digital technology that's on shin on the blue. They cut a Cavs eye open. Yep yep yep yep. So great. So that's like an avant garde short I watch that. You can watch all these on YouTube. I watch that on YouTube. It's like four minutes that Oh no, that's. Yes. There we go. Crazy. I mean, it's yeah. Look at this wildly. I mean, there it is. Oh, this this is perfect. Yeah. Let's show this. Yeah. Let's get totally, totally weird. I think it's a perfect way to end this because it's been so big and so loud, and it's like, here it is. Let's just break it all down. Yeah. You know, I we're about to get some very, very quick cuts of just different things. And if you I paused them and was clicking through some of these only lasts for a frame or two, honestly. And one of them shows a Babylon slate late like really. Yeah. So it's clearly like from production it lasts for like two frames. But yeah, I love this shit. You know, and I know there's a lot of people like we were talking about before that think that he has his head up his own ass a little bit on this and maybe so. But that's that's the point. That is the point. It's the whole point. I didn't yeah I didn't see it. It's like self-serving in that way. I see it's like a way love letter. Yeah. To the art form. And just to kind of show like this is what's happening. Yeah. Everything's going to change always. And are we really appreciating what we have when it's good? Exactly. Yeah. Now he's getting really crazy. So there'll be a Babylon slate, I mean. All right. Oh, yeah, I see it. Yeah. And then. Yeah, bringing it back to him. See. And that stuff. So it's final huge. Like, no, we're going to get a huge music as well. I love that, yeah. How. We did it. Winner of zero Academy Awards, Damien Chazelle's Babylon. That was a lot of fun. it was a lot of fun. I mean, it, I love it. I absolutely love it. It was my fast Olivia Hamilton. There you go. Well, I think that first hour of just non the first hour really went by for I didn't really realize like like it didn't let up. It's almost like the movie doesn't you could start the movie right here because we said that so much. Saving Private Ryan starts a movie here. It's magic. Oh, that's a that's a perfect, perfect call. They, love it. Justin Hurwitz. Francine Mazer yep, yep. I got same director. Oh, yeah. I mean, she's she's like top, top of the big top, top. You know, they just did that. They just started the, Oscar for best casting. It's. Yeah. Starting like 2026. Yeah, I think it's a great idea I do too, I'm really interested how that plays out, because casting directors don't talk like we don't. We don't know anything about them. So will this mean they have to, like, try to market themselves for an award or how? Or is that going to fall to the directors to be like no, and does best cast mean biggest cast or does it? We're going to see I don't know, I think it's cool. Like what would win this year maybe. Would it be Oppenheimer because it has a huge cast? Or could it be something like American fiction, which doesn't have as big of a cast, but everyone is perfectly cast in it, so, you know, it could go. I mean, is there any different ways to take it? Yeah, I suppose there are, I mean, I think it's I think I would honestly give it to Oppenheimer. I want to just not because it's so big. That's one reason. But then everyone's really good, but everyone's just really good in it. And, and it's it's a tricky thing too, because it's like, what really does, account for good casting? and I feel like so much of that has got to be like, inside because. Because you don't know the ins and outs of things, like you get people that are that you're slated to be a huge star, so you don't even need casting to be a part of it. Yeah. But then they fall out and you're like, hey, we need somebody. Like, I really do like that story of the holdovers where, they they, nationwide search for the guy for that guy and couldn't find him in any of your major, you know, acting cities. So they just went to the school in the area they were filming. And that actual location is like, where's your theater department doing? Found the guy that found him. Yeah. And it worked. That's it. See that to me. Like, that's good casting. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You good? I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that was fun, everyone. Yeah. Thank you for listening. This is our technically our second Babylon pod because we did a review on it. We did, like, an actual deep dive review as we saw it. We did. Now we're circling back a year or years later. You're a little bit. You're, a couple months. Hope everyone like that. All right. That was fun. Thanks, everyone. Thanks for listening. Happy. what do you say? It's in our title. Watching. Watching it. But we were listening. You were listening? Oh. Oh. They're listening. People, listen. Thanks for listening. We're talking to people. Thanks for listening. Happy watch. Happy watching you. You did it. Dude, it sounds like. And go fuck yourself. Go! what a film. So much fun to sit there and talk about all the outrageousness. What? Some of the stuff we brought up. Cocktail. The definition of cocktail. I cannot find an agreed upon answer. There are so many different versions of it. I have no idea how that actually got its name. Go look it up. The big swing at the end of Babylon. You know, all the cutting to everything. All the different movies. I'm starting to see this more and more, not to this extreme, but hitman, the Richard Linklater movie did it for a little bit. The Bear season three. That's not even a spoiler for it, but at some point in The Bear season three, you're going to start an episode and hear Martin Scorsese talking to you about movies, and you're going to be seeing a bunch of clips for movies, and I'm like, what? What's going on right now? I have to assume that some Babylon influence, I don't know, maybe not. This was our 10th. What are you watching? Movie commentary. Believe it or not, I'm going to list them all right now because I don't think we give them enough play. Episode 56. Our first one, a commentary on The Departed, a movie that Nick actually doesn't like that much. It. The Departed is not on either of our top ten Martin Scorsese films, so we have a lot of fun with that one. Poking fun at the very large holes in the movie, but it's just, you know, it's fun. Episode 63 our Commentary on 25th hour. This was interesting because we watched the entire movie. Nick and I did, planning to do a deep dive review after, but then I just didn't shut up while we were watching the movie. I'm like, no. Costa used to play for the Jets, yada yada, saying all that stuff. And then we decided right then and there, when we finish the movie, we're going to rewatch it immediately, but just record a commentary. So that's what we did. So we are so primed for that 25th hour commentary. Episode 77 The Saving Private Ryan commentary, the one we probably talked about the most because we accidentally both got very drunk. And that's just what happened. you could start the movie here. Episode 87 there Will Be Blood commentary. A lot of fun to talk about. Talk a lot about Daniel Day Lewis to really love doing that one. You know, we were, like quieter in that movie during that commentary than we expected. We were like really pulled into the movie. Episode 93, The Point Break commentary. That one kind of speaks for itself because that movie rocks. Episode 105, The Ocean's 12 commentary, the back half of which is me essentially explaining to Nick and the audience how big of a fuck you the movie is pulling on us and how, a lot of what we see in the back half of that film is designed to trick us. And The Night Fox, I love that movie. Episode 112 The No Country for Old Men commentary. Loved breaking down the process of that movie. The Silences is Anton Chigurh in the damn hotel room when Ed Tom goes back, where is he? I don't know podcast 125 The Oppenheimer Commentary. The Oppenheimer solo commentary, which is the most nervous I've ever been to record a podcast because I was doing it solo. Nick and I wanted to do it together. But then the day after the Oscars got away from us because we celebrated a little too hard on Oscar night. So I did that solo. I love that movie. We're coming up on the one year anniversary of Oppenheimer. podcast 127 The Thin Red line commentary favorite Malick. Love that movie. Actually, I was a little nervous because, you know that movie takes there's long passages of it, you know, silence, meditations, poetic visuals. And I thought that one went really well. And then our 10th commentary is podcast 132, the episode you are listening to now, the Babylon Commentary. Go give our commentaries a listen. There are a lot of fun. It should be really easy to sync up the movie with us. Thank you everyone so much for listening. We have a really, really fun episode planned next time. Next time is going to be the twisters episode, but the S is in parentheses because we're going to review John Barnes 1996 blockbuster twister, starring Helen Hunt and the late, great Bill Paxton and the late, great Philip Seymour Hoffman. And then we are immediately going to review twisters, the 2024 blockbuster starring Glen Powell. That we are extremely excited to see. so stay tuned for that. But really, for the Babylon commentary on behalf Nick, let us know what you think about our commentaries about movies. You want us to cover anything at all at AIW, underscore, podcasts, Twitter X, whatever the hell. Instagram letter box. We're out there. Find us. As always, thank you so much for listening and happy watching. Hey everyone, thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie blog at Alex withrow.com. nicholas.com is where you can find all of Nick's film work. 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