108: Top 10 Films of 1998

The Oscars may have screwed it all up, but 1998 was a great year for movies. Alex and Nick highlight their favorite films from 1998, stray topics include debut films, guilty pleasures, “Deep Impact” vs. “Armageddon,” a Coen brothers “bomb,” Nick Nolte’s killer year, David Mamet, the best war film ever made, and one of the worst Oscars in Academy history.
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Hey, everyone. Welcome to. What are you watching? I'm Alex Sweatshirt. I'm joined by my best man, Nick Dostal. How are you doing there, Donny? You're out of your element, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the theater in the middle of a movie, wants to know what's going on. Good job. Well, you got the whole. You got, like, the whole thing down. That was a 98. Oh, that's crazy. Wait. No movie No one saw. It's a movie no one saw. 1998. No one saw The Big Lebowski in 1998. That was one that had like staying power later. That's crazy because that is like a movie that is talked about ad nauseum in a good way. So maybe not on your list today if you did not know it was. And I know that was a joke. That was a joke. I was joking. It was a joke. But I was like, this is really not that suddenly. Eight. Okay, I'll track how do you feel to be here? I'm going to use the word that I think describes the year of movies for 1998. I'm having a lot of fun. I think it's very fun to be here today. Good. Oh, why we wanted to do this year's Because broadly, if you look at the Oscar winners, so like, which is how a lot of people measure a movie year, it's like, man, there's nothing to investigate here. But that's because the Oscars got it so fantastically wrong this year. We're going to get into all that. But yes, if you keep digging under not even that far under, but like if you go a little past the Oscar nominees. Certainly past the Oscar winners. Yeah, fine. So much fun. Shit. Yeah. And like, I saw so many of these in the theater or watch them on repeat on VHS. So much fun. Shit. I will be honest. I don't know how fun, how much fun will be reflected in my top ten. But you know, I mean it to me. What can I do? What can I say? Yeah, but it's not like we're just going to talk about our top tens of 1998 and then stop the episode. We're going to keep going, talk about things we missed, things that should have called to list. But okay, so you're having fun. Great. So you've had a lot of fun researching this one, it sounds like, as have I. Well, I mean, yes, of course I've had fun researching it, but I think just a reflection of that year would fun would be the word that I would use. Like these are. Yeah, like top to bottom. Just the movies that were released. They're fun in a way that, I don't know, movies just aren't anymore in terms of like a year's worth of, of releases. I love this. I can't wait to hear what we're going to have. Okay. A little set up if you're new to the podcast or we haven't done like a year episode in a while. It's almost been a year since we did 1995, since we did 27 oh 27 in October, day 2022. We do year one's for like, you know, top ten of 2022. Like when that. Yeah. Year's don't get to jump back here. The ones we've done 2719 9520 11 1973. Wow remember that one 1982 and we started with 1999. Man, we've done so many episodes. Oh, my God. Well, yeah, maybe this is episode four. It's like one. Oh, yeah, This is. This is episode 108, Top ten of 1998. One room where we're cruising and that doesn't even count the bonus episodes, the mini episodes also 1998. Here you go. 25 years ago. Oh, fuck you. That's why I did it. I want to know for that number it was either this or maybe 1993, which was 30 years ago. But why I went with 1998 is because I have like one or two memories of seeing a movie in the theater in 93, whereas almost every movie I'm talking about today I saw in the theater usually multiple times, because the rain's like everything was off. My parents took me to everything. They were like, okay, you know, it's fine. We'll take it with us. This is what the kid wants to do. So we'll take usually looking back, it was my dad who took me to the more prestige movies, and then my mom was just all the fun, entertaining stuff, all the thrillers, all the comedies, all the horror movies. I love it. So I've been a movie fan since I was born, so I was a huge movie fan in 1998, But it's just funny that I was still relying on my parents stuff to take me to the theater. And we went, I mean, now we're talking every weekend, like genuinely every Saturday and or Sunday that we were just seeing whatever was new. I think I have to agree because when, you know, looking at the list of movies that were out this year, I'm like, I've seen that theaters. I saw that in theaters, I saw them in theaters they like. It's really true, like similar to you where I was in the theaters all the time this year. All the time. Okay. I did not know that for you. So that that excites me. I didn't know that. That you were going a lot. 98. That's awesome. I mean, when I look at I mean, it makes me it makes me think about, like just that period in my life that was probably like 1987 was like that. 99. It's like that, like just going to the theaters all the time. But you remember the movies you actually see in theaters. You might not exactly remember the experience. I'm not sure there's something like really meaningful that happened, but you're like, Oh, no, I saw that in theaters. I remember that. And I'm looking at all this. Listen to him. I was at a lot of these. Yeah, same, same. And also 1998 is a very unique year for cinema because I want to get to some of the narratives that dominated in 1988. You had two monoculture moments in this year, four movies. One of those was Titanic. Yeah, kept playing it. I know that movie came out in 97, but it won a shitload of Oscars in February or March of 1998. That's when the Oscar ceremony was in. It just didn't leave theaters. So for so for the first half of 1998, Titanic becomes the first movie ever to cross the $1 billion mark at the box office. And that is because it did not leave. And everyone was talking about it. Everyone. Yeah, we've mentioned this before. We talked about this on the Avatar way, the Water podcast, but everyone was talking about Titanic. You had to see it. And then come July there was this world War two movie that everyone was talking about and you had to go see Saving Private Ryan. You had to have an opinion about it. You had to know just how crazy these first 25 minutes were. And that came out in July. So for the entire year, there was two movies that at least everyone was talking about. I'm not saying it was the only thing people were talking about, but everyone was talking about this, similar to how, you know, Barbie and Oppenheimer. That was something we we have not had. Yeah, Honestly, decades that level of monoculture moment where it's not taking over just the cinema landscape, it's taking over the pop culture landscape of everything. That was 98 for, you know, at least two movies. And there were other big movies along the way, two huge movies, but that was a big one, you know, So at least people were talking about movies and that probably drove everyone at the cinema a little more. Oh, yeah, I remember this. I remember the movies of this year. And there was always talk. Oh, there was always talk like, I'm sure some of these might be in our list, but I'm just going to mention, like, you couldn't really not hear about The Truman Show. Like that was just a movie. Yeah, that was a because that was a big one. Jim Carrey is going dramatic. Yeah. Yeah. Like he was in Liar, Liar last year. He was hysterical. Now he's going to go he's going to get nominated for an Oscar. Yeah, that was a huge deal. And there were actors that were a huge deal at the time. Matt Damon Oh yeah. Because of the movie that he was in this year. Like, there was just something different about that time where when there was a movie and it was a hot topic, it was a hot topic. If there was an actor that was putting forth some really good work. Edward Norton for another good example this year, like, Yeah, that dude's name was on everyone's fucking tip of their everywhere. Yeah. And like, man, it's kind of a bummer. Like that. We don't really have this type of talk, but like Barb Heimer was, that was the thing where we saw this some TV in the internet. Now, you know. Oh, that's why that, that's why, that's why. Why the hell does everyone need to go to the movies and talk about them when one you can stream them all in your phone or two, you can do something more important to you, like scrolling through a social media platform. This is what happened. I mean, it's just it's a large part of it. But that's what made Barb and Heimer so cool and why we focus on it on this podcast. That's what it was crazy for that summer. Yeah, but damn near two months we just crossed over the two month mark of when Barb and Homer started in. It was a fun two months of a lot of people talking about. People are still talking about those movies. It's awesome. You're still going to see them fucking. One of them is number 11 a few nights ago. Number 11 guy with David. Number one. Number 11 At what point is like, so dumb? Like for viewing number ten, I took my father in law, Joe, who, you know, who's 87, he's an older man, but he's still full of life. Is he ever. It was a very fun experience. Slept for about half of it on and off, you know, you know, 87, you know, taking naps here and there. And when it was done, he liked it. He said he understood a lot of it because he was, quote, around then, you know, old. And then he said he didn't realize it was going to be 100% dialog, which I told him, you know, he's more of a mission possible seven John Wick four type guy, which I get. We watch, we watch a lot of those and we watch a lot of those. He's he's meant for our pod. He would be great to have on it'd be truly great to have on this. All right. Back on track. Yes. Oppenheimer, Barb and Hammer. It was great. Another major narrative of 1998 started coming out that there's not one but two movies about asteroids destroying Earth that are like about the part Deep Impact versus Armageddon, which everybody was talking about. You had to go see both. I mean, if you were like a movie fan. Yeah, I certainly did. And I mean, these are these are all my top ten list. So it's kind of fun to have the debate now. Like my whole thing with these is that Armageddon through and through is a much more entertaining movie and much more just like garbage and trash and fun. Like, I love that movie. It's so much fun. But that like, destruction scene at the end of Deep Impact is nuts still really, really holds up. And I think that action scene is better than almost any action scene in Armageddon. But yeah, anyway, it was fun to whatever for those two movies we pitted against each other. I saw both of those movies at different times that drive in screenings. Oh, drive in theaters. Mad God, what was last time I went to a drive in theater? It didn't even, like, play that well, you know, like, sound isn't good, but it's the experience. Yep. I think I saw the first Shrek at a drive now, like, for my first screening, but that might have been The Last Drive-In movie. I saw it. But yeah, I don't remember the deep impact one because I didn't really I didn't really vibe with that one. I was much more of an Armageddon guy. Hell yeah. But I remember watching Armageddon in the in the drive in and crying and just like, yes, just fucking like. Like when I love you, I love you. And it's emotional. It's interesting. Actor Fichtner at the end. Better permission to shake the head of The Bravest Man ever. No, I mean, it's. It's clunky, whatever I tried to say, but he really Neilsen at the moment, it's like it's good. It's good. Yeah. It has some moments, whatever. Oh yeah. Stormare is like this spaced out Russian like all American components, Russian components all made like, Oh my God, movie. Another big event, at least for me in 1988. I don't know if you track this at all. It was the 20th anniversary of Grease, the Motion Picture Grease and I became obsessed with it for the summer of 1998. At least you did that for you at all. I know. Musical. My God. You know, not my thing now. Yeah. Yeah. They've never really been my thing, but they. That one was that year. God, I loved it. Well, it's because you're a Travolta guy. Well, I like Pulp Fiction. I definitely already like Pulp Fiction by then, but. Oh, Saturday Night Fever. Come on, You're a Travolta guy. I had not seen Saturday Night Fever in 1998. I thought that was that was probably the first time I saw Grease in that. I went back to Saturday night. Okay. But yeah, I like I loved him in Saturday Night Fever. I wouldn't say I'm like, like he's an I like him, but I don't think he's like one of my guys. Blow. Blow out is good. You don't like Travolta? I like Travolta. Oh, I always thought he was more more of like he was more of like again in the Alex with pocket. No, not really. I mean, he had he had his moments. I don't know. I don't know. What was he in in 1998. Oh he's in one mind it that that I actually didn't think he was very good in. Oh man I like that movie. A civil action. Oh no, no, no civil action. Great. Okay. No, he's he appears in one movie. And I just remember I go, Don't tell me everything, all right? I don't know how I feel about this, and I'll have to. Oh, no, no, no, man. I like him. Oh, I do. Exactly. I like that. He's like an army fucking asshole. He is the highest ranked person that you see in that movie, the highest ranked character and the way he plays it, like he's having his cigarets lit for him. It's like, Oh, my God, I think he's such a smarmy just guy right there in the. Oh, yeah, he wasn't that. Oh, I love that movie. I love him. Yeah, he seems like kind of a little bloated, honestly, which lends itself to like everyone else here, like, they're not eating, they're terrified. And I don't know, I. The shitty mustache. Oh, God. I can't believe it took you that long to get to that. Oh, wow. This is fun. All right? No one knows what we're talking about because we have. I was actually just. I was just going to spoil it with a narrative, but now I'm not going to. It's about a a big director returning to feature films after a very long absence. That's the movie you're referring to. But yeah, we can we can keep that one of the pocket two other verses before we get on to our list. One is ants. Remember Ants versus life. I remember you talking with that. I did not see ants in the theater. I had no interest because I've never really had an interest in cartoons, in animated movies. Bug's Life, I did see and quite enjoyed it. I did not see either one of them in theaters, and I actually don't think I've ever seen ants. But I have seen A Bug's Life. I think I rented it. I must have rented it from Blockbuster Blockbuster Video. What a great place. I believe the main voice in Ants is Woody Allen. In the Main voice in A Bug's Life is Kevin Spacey. So how that one age well, isn't Jerry Seinfeld in in one of them? Isn't he like the main one? I don't like him either. So that Seinfeld guy. But we can talk about that. I don't know. I don't care. But final verse is this is the biggest verses and this is the verses everyone was talking about, but not really in 1998, we were all talking about in the first months of 1999, and that was Saving Private Ryan verses Shakespeare in Love. Yeah, for the Oscar season. We'll get to all that as we go. But wow, was that a conversation? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Again, that bled over into 99, but oh, my God, that was just people don't talk about the Oscars like that again unless something goes wrong or awry, which was certainly the case in 1998. Certainly the case an envelope, Kate, yada, yada, yada. Let's get to the top ten. Who do you think people know what Travolta movie you were talking about? No, I absolutely think they do not know. I know that's hard to do. And, you know, we've confused heavy fans of cinema, but I wonder if people know what movie we're talking about. It's very interesting. We've confused 98% of our audience right now, 100% guaranteed, 98% of time, hundred percent correct. Confused? Guess who gets to go first? Oh, of of course. Of course. All right, here we go. Top ten of 1998. We have not shared our list with each other in so far as like we know each other very well. I will say right now, my one and two will not surprise you nor anyone listening to this. That's okay. I'm going to say this upfront and I'm going to mention it once and then we're going to move on. There are two films from my list. When you typed them into Google.com and go to Wikipedia or IMDB, it says they were released in 1997. Oh, nonsense. Bullshit. They were not. They each premiered at one fucking film festival in fall of 1997, and then they struggled to get released in theaters, whether in America or abroad. In the year 1998. They both came out in the year 1998. One of them was nominated for and won Oscars for 1998 films. Their 1998 movies Fight Them Fight. So I'll Fight to the death. I know what you did. Do you have any idea when we do these? The reason why we don't do these year episodes is because my Twitter mentions just blows up like, that's not from that year, asshole. That doesn't happen at all. But I'm just saying, well, I've learned to just because like some of these, like when you, when you send out the movies and I'll look them up and they say something different. I have learned trust. Trust. Yes. I'm like, you know what? Everything I'm seeing says something different. There you go. Next your if it says 97, it's like and we're doing 98. Just trust me. I put it on the outline for a reason. But that's, you know, that's it. We're going to get into him. But, you know, I wanted to say those general notes about my list before we get into it. I don't know if you have anything or if you just want to jump on in there, Hoss Well, I'll preface it by saying what I always say at the beginning of our top ten lists that in no way are we saying with either one of these lists that, yes, that we believe that these are the best movies made? No, no, no. We never talk like that. We always bring it from more of a personal point of view of this is just what I liked. And that will then for make you think what you like. Yeah, no, this is a great thing to mention. Like we we've recently released the funniest movies you ever seen and some of our friends, quote unquote friends quotation mark friends were putting us on blast on Instagram saying, you didn't include this, you didn't include this. And I'm like, Why don't you go make a fucking podcast list? Yeah, you could do your own. No, I don't. You and I don't talk like this in real life. Like we don't talk like. No, my top ten. These are the ten best films ever made. I can't even say that with a straight face like Eddie Wood, who talks like that, I, I guess, like, get fucked or. I don't know. I guess that's not it. That's not us. Anyone who talks like that, it's just we don't really identify with that. These are our favorite movies of the year. That's a Yeah, yeah. And we would love to know yours as well. AIW Underscore podcast is very sexy and the the and I also have to say that like as I usually am with all of our lists, I am very upset that ten can only be the number that we go with because yeah, there's a few asterisks that I have that are really bothersome that they're not in here, but you can only have ten. Let's do it. Let's do it, baby. I will say when I made my list, I looked at it and I went, I love this. This group of films like I have watched all these not because of the podcast just in the past probably three years. I've put all of these movies on just to put them on. There really is a rewatch ability of how many times I've seen these movies, particularly. Yeah, it's crazy. All right, do it. Number ten, getting into it. This is actually one that's a completely the opposite of that. I've only seen this movie once and quite honestly, I don't know, the next time I'm going to want to see it again, but I liked it that much. But it's a debut film from a filmmaker and there were a lot of debut film flops. So this is just my first one here. But I am going with your boy. Gaspar No way. I stand over at number ten. Yes, yes. Do you have 30 seconds to turn off this podcast? Oh, yes. I said, Hello, welcome to What are you watching? Yes, Any of you who have listened to our Gaspar Noé podcast, we've said there's so many things about this movie on that episode, but there is just nothing like when you watch this movie there, I've got I can't believe what I was watching and what I was hearing and what was happening and the like. It's just it's wild stuff. It deserves to be on this list. I love that you put it here. This okay, where where to even begin? Episode 59 is our Fool Gas Far and away pod. But then Episode 60 is when we reviewed Lux Eterna and your favorite film of the past decade, Vortex. Oh, so cut me with that. Why don't you cut it down, baby? Nick love that movie. Yes. I mean, I you know, the first time you saw this, I was right there with you in that hotel room because it was right before we recorded the Gas Fart Away podcast that you still had to watch it in a hell of a film. And and to your first point, I actually only have one debut in my top ten, which is interesting. But as soon as we're done with the top ten, I was going to go through the list of all the films. The reason why I want to save it is because I don't mention perhaps any more on your list. But there are I mean, there are a lot of really, really notable directors who had their first movie this year. And yeah, gas far and Away. I stand alone. Like if he's not shying away from what kind of filmmaker he is, what his sentiment is. So you know, right away I mean, 25 minutes into this movie is just one of the most disturbingly violent scenes I've ever seen in a movie. And you're like, okay, here we go, here we go. But it's all intentional. As we said in our episode, I love that you put it here and and I believe we've said this on the gas episode, but I will say this now again, and it's a very hard film to find. Yes. Unfortunately, if you do watch it, you will benefit from putting the subtitles on because the language is so thick. Well, it's in French. Oh, wait, it's in French. Yeah. Home Depot. That's where you had to watch this about. For some reason, I thought it was in English news. Really hard to understand it. I mean, there's so many movies. I'm not. I'm not even, like, ragging on you because there are so many movies where that's true. I'm trying to think of what you're trying to think of. I've tried to talk about this on on the podcast before. It might have even been. Was it one of his movies to be Enter the Void or. I don't know. No. Yeah, I don't know what it could have been, but no, no, I was Simba, as I was saying. Wait a second. No. And because you didn't catch yourself. Yeah. Yeah. The language in it is so dense, I would say that has the most just dialog of any gas bar in a way movie. And it's mostly voiceover, But yeah, they are. They're talking a lot. There's a lot of dialog and vortex I guess. But anyway, Vortex. Vortex. Oh yes, because I had of a great pic. I stand alone. I am not going that serious. My number ten pic. When we do lists like this I often, especially for the year ones like to be a little silly with my number ten. I'm already cheating. This is a twofer. These are because like if you put them, if you put them together, they like kind of equal one movie because they're both very silly. They've brought me endless entertainment value. We're going to start with Wild Things, directed by John McNaughton. I love Wild Things. I'm looking at my 4K that I purchased from Arrow. Looks gorgeous. This is a all right. I don't love it for the reasons that people may think though it you know, I watched the movie a lot when it came out. It's not just for like those reasons. I think this thing is like I watched this movie. I'm not kidding you with my mom often. Well, now she she had a system. She had a system to where she had kind of memorized the parts and she would get skipped or fast forward and I would have to look down and those would get fast forwarded. But this is like her type of movie. All the twists and turns, all what whatever the hell Bill Murray's doing. Matt Dillon, Like Kevin Bacon just naked at one point for no reason. It's like she didn't I didn't have to look away for that. I mean, you know what? Hanging dogs, raising and just hanging the bacon is loose and Yeah, so, I mean, that's why it's like my mom show me this movie. And again, certain parts were censored. She did not take me to see this in the theater once. She did take me to this one, she did take me to see in the theater that we went multiple times because it did not have any sexuality. Is the faculty directed by Robert Rodriguez, which I have seen so many times, But those are my tied for number ten as my fun sparks. What do you mean, like this? These two have nothing to do with each other. These are my, like, kind of ridiculous move. Everything else from here is pretty serious. Serious ish. These are, like, my throwaway fun B movies. This is my B-movie double feature for 1990 as at the ten Spot. You got two movies at ten. Why not? It's. It's my fucking list. If you can justify it, you can put anything on the list. This isn't Schindler's List. Jesus Christ. There's no rules. We're not like, My God, you can do whatever you want. I'll just put out this. I'll just make two movies for all the rest of my life so I can get all my shit in. Here you go, asshole. You can have one double feature there. I just made a new rule. You can have one double feature in one of your pics, dickhead. Yeah, I'm. I'm really glad you did this because I have one now. See how it saves me. That's the only reason why I'm doing it. You're right. The movies don't inherently have anything in common, but they are my. This is my B movie double feature of 1998. There. These are my two favorite B movies of the year. I didn't know you were going to make me fucking justify it like a defense lawyer or something. You know, it was in Wild things in the courtroom and wild things. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She throws that glass. Denise Richards throws that glass. Campbell never is great. Never just breaking out of that party of five character out of Sidney Prescott. Oh, God, I love her. Don't touch me. Great ending. Great ending to Wild things. Got to stay through the credits. God, I love wild things. Yeah. Number nine for you. Oh, man. Well, I just want to give a little bit. I love that faculty because we kind of just shot right over. Can love the faculty. I literally watched the faculty before I settled on 1998, and that may have been the tipping point because I knew I was going to mention it. I just really liked this movie. I think it's a great high school movie. I love It is faculty, man. Yeah, it it's almost like grown up now. It's crazy. Yeah. Great cast. Like great cast. Robert Patrick is. Yes, Good. The faculty is so good. I love it. Like at one point, Josh Hartnett there in high school. Why do you just smoking a cigaret on the football field? Like during practice it's like, what? What fucking high school is this? Oh, it's great. Open drug deals. No problem. No problem, no pain. I love it. I always remember Josh Hartnett's hair because it sticks out. Yeah, like he just had like the sides that would just stick out and that was it. Jack. You know, the the freeze frame title cards for the characters. Like, I love that movie. I really do. I that was like, I really loved early Robert Rodriguez, Desperado from the faculty. The dude could not miss. And then, you know, he wanted to start making Spy Kids movies, which is cool. I bet he makes a shitload of money. So do your thing, man. Do you think? Yeah. I'm a huge Robert Rodriguez fan, so I am his attitude. Yeah. Yeah. He just approaches things from, like, a really, really artful, even with the spy kids like that. He said That's for his kids. For sure. For sure. Yeah. But that's its own thing, too. Good. Call the faculty. I'm glad we talked about this will be cool because we're going to talk about a lot of movies that like may not be on my list, but I would want to, like, shout out to them. Yeah, so the faculty is absolutely one of them. Fuck yeah. All right, Number nine for you. I remember the first time I saw this movie, it wasn't too long ago, and I just thought it was the epitome of cool. And that is Steven Soderbergh's Out of Sight. So cool. Yes, I love it. I love it. This is on my list. I am going to save the placement of it. But yeah, this is Soderbergh made a movie like it's probably going to make my top ten list. Have you made a movie in 1999? The line would be on it 2000. I think my favorite movie is Traffic. Like, you know, it's it's going to be there. So. So you hit wait a minute. So you had never seen this. You just saw it for the first time recently, like within the last like five years. Oh, okay. And somewhere in there I remember always seeing it at Blockbuster. Yep. Always like, you know, being like, ooh, I heard good things about this, or I don't know why, but I just never pulled the trigger and rented or did anything with it. And it would just escape me for the longest time. And then we may have been having a Soderbergh conversation, and that's how it happened. I can't remember how, but I remember when it was. I just remember thinking I was like, Oh, wow, this is this is a really fucking good movie. Oh, so cool. It's like the epitome of cool. Not just the performance. It's not just Clooney or Jennifer Lopez, and by far her best screen performance. Like, she's so good in it. They're cool. But like, the editing of this movie is, Oh, cool. Like, it's not in narrative order. And this was one of the first movies where I'm like with the in the Pulp Fiction Hangover, where I'm like, okay, you're actually doing it in a smart way because like so many movies out there, Pulp Fiction, where we're going to be out of order just for the sake of doing. Yeah, but I got what out of Sight was doing it, and it develops its own editing language, its own style, and you have to like kind of keep up with it. You're like, Okay, I get it, I get it, and it looks cool. Like it's shot really well. And then like, Don Cheadle is just like Mr. Cool in it. I mean, it's terrifying, but God, I'm so glad this made your list. I didn't. Yeah. So I've loved this one. This is actually one I did not see in the theater. As soon as it was in Blockbuster, it was like a repeat watch over and over and over. I think this had the reputation that it was going to be very sexy. It's incredibly sexy. Yeah, I think sexy and the lewd way. And I think it was cut. I remember that in the summer of 98. Like, that's why about why my mom didn't want to take me to go see it because I think she thought it was just going to be like a romp. And this was, you know, back in the day when a movie was just R wasn't like rated R for violence. Sexual, gritty blow where you have more of an indication. And then when it came out, it's like, Damn, I wish I could have seen this in the theater, but I've gone and seen this in the theater a few times. Just because I know it's going to be playing like I love it based on an Elmore Leonard novel, I've read the novel so good. This saves Steven Soderbergh's career. Yeah, Hit it really big. With his first movie, Sex, Lies and Videotape, nominated for an Oscar, won the Cannes Palme d'Or. And then he makes a lot of movies that people still don't talk about. Kafka, King of the Hill, The Underneath Circuit Topless, which you and I both love. And someone took a gamble on him and gave him out of sight, offered it to him. He got he got it. And then after that, it just takes off. He wins an Oscar. Two years later, he's one of the very few directors nominated for best director twice in the same year in 2000 for Traffic and Erin Brockovich. That's nuts. And he wins for traffic. So and now he's Steven Soderbergh. You know, and I. I wonder what George Clooney would have done if this wasn't him. I always missed that point because I focus on Soderbergh. This is so important to talk about. Yeah, Yeah. Because this is the movie that finally broke him out. Yeah. Made him a movie star. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because he had a Rocky like. I mean, he was the huge star of E.R., which was like the biggest show in the nineties. In the midnight. Yeah, like if. Yeah, like for hour. I honestly don't know, like, the demographics of the people listen to the pod. But if you are young to have missed out on George Clooney on TV like you talk about fucking monoculture everyone on Friday talked about George Clooney's what he did on the episode the night before because E.R. was on Thursday. Everyone did like I watched that show. It was again, there's what, four or five channels? Like, there's just not a lot going on. So he was a star. And when you were a TV star back then, you were not in movies and vice versa. No, you just weren't. Now there's no difference. But back then there was a huge difference and it was very difficult for them and for them to break out, to become for a TV star, to become a movie star. Yeah. And he particularly had a tough time because he did movies, even though like, I think one Fine day is great. I actually like him in a way that is a romantic comedy. I think it's great. But I mean, like he had a bunch of tries in these to break out into movies that didn't take I mean, and so this is the one where this was George Clooney cool, dramatic like that, that one of a kind thing that only he can do. And he hadn't been able to show that. And that was the movie star quality that he always had just didn't find the material to match with. So, yeah, I wonder where Clooney would be if it wasn't for this movie. Well, yeah, they really helped each other out a symbiotic relationship because it's all, you know. Soderbergh wins the Oscar. He has a great year, 2000, and then they're making Ocean's 11 together in 2001. And that's like, Here we are, baby. Then because of that, Clooney kind of overnight becomes the biggest movie star in the world. And then it's like, okay, now we're off. But yeah, yeah, it was out of sight. That really started it for both of them. And it was the first really serious acting. No, that's not true. She was in on Celine. Oh, yeah. See, I do. I got to go back. I misspoke when I said this was her best performance. Jennifer was getting this performance. It's Selena. It really is. Yeah. Yeah, it is. This is her coolest, for sure, but she's fantastic in Selena. That's. I mean, that's a really good biopic performance. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. But I do love her in Out of Sight. And Michael Keaton has a cameo in Out of Sight playing his Ray Nicolette is Jackie Brown character. It's like, again, perfect. I love it. I love it. Steve Zahn is free now. Steve Zahn. Steve Zahn, who like actually is, of course, very funny in it, but then gets like really appropriately freaked out a few times and it's like genuinely scared and repulsed by the Don Cheadle character who's, you know, good, good actor, I mean, favorite Steve Zahn performance go. I mean, oh, my God, I love him in that thing you do. I actually I laugh my ass off to him and Joy ride. He is so fucking funny. And that movie to me. Have you seen that movie with Paul? Yeah. There's a part when they go get gas and like, they go in and pay for it with a credit card, and then this truck driver, this, like icy driver ice, you know, literally like he's delivering ice to the gas station or something. He starts chasing after them and they think like it's the guy who's chasing them and he going start starts, approach the car. And Steve Zahn just holds up a fake gun, like with his fingers. And he goes, We got to fucking got it. Imagine it's you holding your finger up. And I don't know. Yeah. So I but I think he's great. That thing you do, like a guy in a really nice campus is going to take us to. Oh, God, I love him. Captain Goetz in the Shrimp Shack shooters. What about you, Steve Zahn? I mean, bad acting is Rescue Dawn, but that's the funniest. Yeah. Yeah, but if I had to go with Steve, it's got to be saving Silverman. I mean, he's got he just kills it in that movie. I've seen that movie forever, so. Oh, man, I know. It's so funny. My number nine. I know this is a favorite of yours. It really doesn't need in introduction, one of the most rewatchable movies of the year. Rounders. Oh, directed by John Dall. God, do I love this. You almost didn't make my list. Probably wouldn't have made my list if I didn't do my little double feature sneak. But then I was like, At some point, you got to you got to look at the list overall and go, okay, I do have a lot of like serious stuff on here and I need to kind of get in touch with like, remember how many times you and your friends fucking watch this movie and 1998, 1999 and 2000, just over and over and over and memorizing the whole thing and having your favorite line readings. Like I not only did I fall in love with this movie, I fell in love with the director and watched all those previous work. I loved all the actors like, yeah, this was a huge announcement. Like Damon and Norton are definitely on the come up. Malkovich is doing like whatever the fuck he's doing. But then, like even Michael Rispoli, who plays Gamma, like I, I never seen him before and he's so good and he's been in so much. So yeah, you know, I mean, the whole thing is great. I love this movie. I love it now. I love it so much that it's in my top five. Awesome. Yeah, it's number five, but it's all right. So let's talk about it now. Yeah, I top five. I just remembered. I remember seeing this movie and just thinking. It's just so cool. I know there's a word we just used for Out of Sight, but there was just this element to, like, the flow of it, and you really get caught up in the stakes. Like. Like you really feel. Matt Damon in the beginning of the movie, he's got this conflict. He's not going to gamble. He's not going to play cards. He's made these promises. Yeah. And then it all goes to shit. And it's really something when you feel the gravity of the other movies plot, when it's sort of like, Oh man, how much are you in the hole? Oh, how the fuck are we going to get out of this all? You really just fucked this, didn't. Yeah. And the movie keeps topping itself as it's going with a very fun pace that is not sacrificed by the substance. And by the time you get to that end game, which is got to be one of, if not the best poker scenes in movies, I don't know. I really have to think about Maverick is really good, but I know just the Rounders stuff is a bit more realistic. Like you go watch Casino Royale, they're like, Deal and fucking Yeah, royal flushes and stuff. It's like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a fun James Bond movie, but come on, like you just have Damon, like, slapped a nut straight and boom, just laying the hammer down. You're like, God. And what's so cool about rounders is the world building. Like, it doesn't take long to believe that like, all right this to tightened cash. So, like, maybe that's an issue, but then he just goes down like these seedy layers of New York. Yeah. Doors and what's going on in this room. And you got to go pay this guy off. But there's like, also prostitutes and like, old dogs and like, what? What? Like, where am I? What's going on? There's crazy Russians. Like, Yeah, you really see all the other brick? There's no windows, so everyone's smoking. Like, it's just. Yeah. You believe all that in that build up to that final scene? It's just great. That final poker game. Yeah, I guess it would be my favorite. I've never really put a lot of thought into, but I. Yeah, if someone were to ask me if this was like your Steve's on prompt from a little bit ago. Yeah. Best poker scene I'd go into rounders. Yeah. The beginning is also good too. And he gets crushed like, whoa. Well, the beginning is it might also be the greatest setup because, you know, you have to explain to your audience that, you know, this whole entire like, movie is based off of this game and we have to get the audience to, at the bare minimum, understand how it works. And they do it really fast and you get it very fast. Yeah, you do. You understand? Yup. And so by the time you get to the end, you might not know everything, but you know enough to understand what's happening in that scene. It's like the 15 minutes. It's a long. Oh yeah. And yeah, and, and you get everything that's going on and and then you get John Malkovich, who's just like, you know, it's such a great, great performance by him. Oh, God. And then yes, it is. I agree. And then I'm talking about world building within the movie. But like the layman watching this movie for the first time in 1998, did not know what Texas Hold'em was. So, yeah, that's true. Go go back and imagine that. And then by the year 2000, I think I remember the guy's name. His name is like Chris Moneymaker. Or was the guy who won the World Series of Poker. It was like on ESPN. It was everywhere. Yeah, but this movie was very largely responsible for the insane uptick in how much how many people wanted to play Texas Hold'em, how many people wanted to watch it. It's crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Took over because they really saw this movie in the theater. Yeah, it wasn't it didn't make that much money from the theater. But this was one that, you know, when Damon was on Hot Wings, he specifically address this about how movies like Rounders, movies like Fight Club, movies that did not do well in the theaters, but then became successful because of VHS and DVD sales. I was not in college when Rounders came out, but I know people who were, and it was on on repeat in dorms, in their college departments all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It was a very talked about movie in like the had like the blockbuster side of things. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Perfect. Well that was my number nine. So we are all in your number eight, which is a perfect segue way into talking about one of the actors in Rounders going into Edward Norton, American History X. Wow. So wow. Yeah. Good call. One that did not make my list really surprise. Well, this is what I wonder. This movie's fucking intense, man. When I saw this movie, I think I definitely didn't see it in theaters, but I saw it in video. No, no, no, no. I don't know anyone who saw in theaters. Actually, it was very small, limited release. Like where if you grew up in a rural area like I did, this was not a big theater movie, but again, came out on DVD and VHS and everyone was talking about this. Everyone was talking about it. And I believe there's no way that this wasn't at the time that I saw it the most intense movie I ever seen in my life. Yeah. And I even remember at that age, like, you know, how old were we? Like 1998. I was born 18, 12. Well, well, 12, 13. Yeah, somewhere around there. So, you know, you know, racism, you know, really grasping that there is an element of the modern world at that time and still fucking today that Yeah. But this is very, very real and, and seeing like that movie really makes you feel the hatred of that lifestyle. He, he makes you believe from the first moment he is on screen that this fucking guy believes in this shit. And he is. Yes. Not, not, not only willing to die for it, he is willing to fucking murder for this belief. Yes. And it's like, okay, we're not questioning that at all. That stuff is so disgusting and hard to watch, but what I love is that it all traces back and you get to see the scene with the dad and you see the scenes of it starting, which is, yeah, that's probably one of the calmest moments in the movie. But it's so emotional, violent. It's so hard to watch when you just see the language he's using the dad, I mean. Yeah, like, and Weird has long hair. He's playing football. Everything's fine. It just bringing it all down to this for no reason. For no, for no reason and not. Oh, man. And also the the turn around that Brennan's character goes through is very like he earns it. Like by the time that he changes his mind about things, it actually feels like a very organic, real transition that this human being has made in their life, which is a real credit to the movie for being able to do that without being preachy or without being yeah. To on the nose with a message to say now all of this being said and I'm talking like I have not seen this movie in about at least 20 years. Oh wow. See, mine was not that long ago. I was definitely in COVID just for I was like, It's been a while. And it I mean, it it held up. It's still as intense. It's that's that's what I wonder. I wonder, like, because I like. I don't know. Yeah, it's up anymore. Oh, it definitely does. Yeah. I would be interested to see what you thought about it if you checked it out again. But it also does speak well to the film that you haven't seen in that long and it's still making your list. Well, I. I studied this movie a lot. I think this was one of the movies when this might have been one of those movies where I was like, Oh, this is like a beyond like, this isn't just a fun, entertaining thing to do. This is like a serious put together piece of work that means something. I think this must have been the very first film that really did that to me where I was like, This is important stuff in here. And it should be like, noticed. I would watch this movie a lot as a kid, weirdly. Yeah. So no, so did I. So did I. I don't know. We like. Yeah, we definitely did. We had it on a lot. My friends and I. Yeah. Like having it all in, like paying attention. Paying attention really disturbed. And like, what? The movie's intention hit us all. We were all like, Wow, okay, fuck. Yeah. As intense as anything you done made your life better, like, that really resonates. It's a really, really smart line of dialog. Yeah, I would actually really like to rewatch again. Edward Furlong two. Really good, Really good. Very good. Very good. Also debut film Tony Kaye. It was on my debut film list also that counts them. And my next one is debut film. We've actually talked about it quite recently. Following oh, directed by Christopher Nolan, talked about it a lot in episode 101, our Nolan podcast, Our longest podcast, Our longest podcast to date. Yep. Which is crazy, right? I mean, I didn't know it was going to turn out that way, but that was a fun one. Fun one to listen to, fun one to edit, following. I mean, we just talked about it. I've been talking about Nolan a lot this summer and for the last couple episodes. But yes, I did want to have a debut film and of all of them, I went, I really like this one because this is one where I go back now. I now this one I found out much later, like I was not watching this in 1998. Very few people were. I found out about this because of Memento. And then after, when I got a hold of it, I was like rewatching it a lot to try to put it all together. And it was it was fun. It was a fun experiment in that way. And if you became obsessed with Memento like I did and saw it so many times, then knowing that he had like this 70 minute feature that he made just a few years before, that was also very like puzzling. It's a lot of fun to investigate. So yeah following love it I yeah, this is one that really bothers me. That's not on my list. I get it. And it might just be because I've seen it for the very first time recently and I hadn't had that much time to spend with it. But this would be an asterisk movie because I liked it that much and I really liked this movie. I couldn't stop thinking about it. Yeah, that's cool. Number seven you're going to this is going to be higher up on your list. I already know it. Oh, boy. Yeah. So we could say we can. We can table it as they say. Tables say as they say. Table the discussion. What? You least have to tell us what it is before it is tabled. It is Spike Lee's. He Got Game. Oh, fuck, yeah. Guy. Yes. Movie. Yeah. Let's just hold on to it and table it because it is somewhere else on my list. But I'm very happy that you've seen it and you did watch it. We were talking about Spike Lee and I was like, You got us. You got to watch this before we get into it or something. I watched He got Game B, not even for an episode. I don't recall. I think it was just something you were pressing and you're like, You got to see this. Yeah. Oh no. I think it might have been around Malcolm X It might have been. I think it was Malcolm X, Yeah, because I wanted you to, to attempt to see I was like I try to see like the four Denzel Spike movies and if you don't get two Mo better blues, that's fine, but you at least have to do. He got Game because I knew you'd see the inside man. You're watching Malcolm X And then, yeah, he got game and he got game was something. When I watched it, I don't know. I felt a lot deeper about like it was just a style of filmmaking. I think I just really, really like Spike Lee now. I need to keep going deeper and deeper, but every movie that I've watched from him has has been like a a masterclass in moviemaking. Yeah, in ways that I don't get inspired by this a lot. Like currently, like for sure when I when I watched he's got to have it. Oh my God I, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I was like, because it's just all energy. It's all heart, energy, sweat, blood and creativity. Every creativity, every single dollar is accounted for. It's John Cassavetes making. Yeah, it's it's literally that school. And that's why we identify. I love that movie. She's got to have it. 25th hour to me is a pretty unassailable run. It's 86 to 22. And he I'm not saying every movie in there is great, but like most of them are and even the Underseen ones like Get on the Bus, it's a really good movie. Like I love Spike Lee in that run in particular. Like, damn. I mean, yeah, he got games without question. My I'll say it now my most viewed film of 1998. I've seen this movie so many times. I adore this movie. Yeah. So I had to give this movie its rightful due on my list because I was so inspired by it when I watched it and loved it. Oh great. Yeah, that's not the end of the He got game conversation table that my number seven. I actually don't know if it's going to be on your list. I don't know if it'll be a new top ten, but I have to put it all in here. Huge movie. As I've already mentioned for the year. We have spent a lot of time on it on this podcast. It is Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan. It was dumb movie of the year. It would feel weird to me to not have it on the list. It's not. I mean, I do I really I really like Saving Private Ryan. And one of the highlights of What you Watching podcast was episode 77. Was there a Saving Private Ryan commentary in which, well, I just accidentally got talked about so much, accidentally got entirely too drunk, did not mean to. I don't know if people can tell when you listen to it. I could tell while I was editing it. I've only listened to it once since. Hilarious. Because it is it's a it was a real doozy and it didn't mean for that to happen. Yeah, fun times. But I mean, those those first 25 minutes was the most talked about movie sequence of the year. There's just nothing else that came close to it. It was everywhere. And you had to talk about it and had to see it. So for those, you know, cultural instances alone, that's why it makes my list. And I can't believe I mean, it it didn't make mine. I didn't think it was going to. And that's okay. I for some reason I was like, I don't think it's going to make his list. I will say I had this much higher when I did my first draft and then I went, No, I got to be real with myself here. And this is like a great movie and deserved more Oscar love than it receives. I acknowledge all that, but it's still like, you know, I still like other movies more than it. But it's yeah, it's Saving Private Ryan. It's like, what more do we need to say? You know? Yeah, yeah. That's it's kind of what it is like. The movie speaks for itself, but like, when I'm looking at what this year does and like, like what it meant to me, you know, even though it still has one of my favorite movie experiences too, like seeing them with my dad and having it freak out in the beginning. Yeah. And ask me if I was okay. This is I'm like, this is like we're watching some real like an awesome not awesome in that way, but like some awesome moviemaking shit. But if we're using that word literally, it is awesome. This movie is that opening sequence contained so much awesome power that no one had seen anything like that before. Yeah, we've all seen it done to death. I mean, I recently rewatched and not a call down, right? I watch Black Hawk Down and once that starts like 45 minutes into the movie, I didn't realize how you have to be into the movie for the battle to start. And then it doesn't stop. But it's just that for, for like an hour and a half, if not longer, and that that's the best version of it. It does a really good job, but that is like the only one. It's the only one that really lives up to it. But even still, it doesn't come close to matching. I will never forget 12 years old, sitting next to my dad. I remember the movie theater we were at when that fucking door came down off of that first boat. I will never forget that. And people in the theater were just jumping. I mean, there were there were men, clearly veterans in their dress, in like suits, like it was it was a deal like it was. And I remember my dad just making a noise like, you know, you know, your dad's your parents noises and like, hearing a noise where he was distressed watching this, he was like, oh, fuck. Like, okay, But, you know, kind of kind of sounds like your dad. Like, he's got they got to be strong for us, too. And I was just sitting there wide eyed and open. Honestly, I have chills is talking about this is why it made my list. Honestly, feeling like I was sitting there watching a fucking documentary. That's how it felt and going like it was Tom Hanks and World War Two. Like what it was. Yeah. Never forget it. And yeah, and then they rereleased it. I think in February 99 for the Oscars. And that was the first time my mom saw it. So like a lot of people were going back to see it either again or seeing it for the first time. Yeah, I remember that too. But yeah, the biggest movie of the year, just in terms of monoculture, whatever. So yeah, 98 Saving Private Ryan. Good shit. The best movie to never win. Best picture, maybe, but that's a good conversation. Yeah. There's two movies that came very close that in Brokeback Mountain are probably the two best movies that were like locks to win best picture and then just didn't. Okay, So that was my number seven. Number six for you. Oh, man, you already said this isn't on your list, but there's no way I did. I I've seen this movie so many times that it, it can't. Not via my list. And so it doesn't to the top five because I don't think this is like the greatest movie ever but I have to put it it's Armageddon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Forget it. All right then. So. Okay so for my number ten pick, I was confused. You were giving me shit. There was a double feature. Not for, like, the quality of film. You really don't like it because. Oh, you saw it again. It's not. I mean, come on. Yeah, Hard times. I'm, like, full cheese land here. But I love this. I love it. This movie's just released. Awesome. Amazing commentary. I bought the Criterion. A used criterion. Adam Ebert with you for, like, five bucks just so I could listen to the commentary in which it's. There's like four tracks that they edited together. They were recorded separately. Michael Bay, Bruce, Ben Affleck, all recorded separately. Ben Affleck spends the entire thing making fun of the movie. I've never heard anything like it. And just talking about how dumb it is, it is amazing. Yes, Armageddon. It's so it's so good. I mean, it's just well, it's a who's who of like nineties actor casting will Pam. Oh Michael Duncan. Oh yeah. Owen Wilson. Oh he's like it's very small bit and semi like there's just something that's so fun about like in a movie like this and they don't do it anymore where like you get like a cast like this the Ocean's movies probably do it the best but that round up right you're you're, you're getting the round up of the characters that are going to be Yeah. The people of the movie and they all come from like some weird like Michael Clarke until could come get Papa Bear on the motorcycle. Kids get chased by cops. It's like, why is he getting chased? Like, what? What is going on? We don't want to pay taxes ever. Like what? But like, Bruce is great in this too. Bruce is like, really cool, but he's just so on board with what's on camera. You really see, like, the movie star quality come out, dad and yes, sucking Billy Bob. Fucking Billy Bob. Yeah. Great. This movie, I love Billy. Great. Oh, he's like, This is one of those movies where it's like everyone plays it perfectly because, like, Bruce Willis is the movie star. Like, Oh, this is what it means to be a movie star. You are the lead, you are the hero. You carry the weight of everything that needs to be understood emotionally on your shoulders. Because he's not that acting necessarily. He's just well, he's caring. Well, he needs to be carried for the movie. I mean, I love Bruce Willis, and we do, too. Like like he's a great movie star. It's Armageddon. Come on. It's Armageddon. He knows with the assignment is. Yes. And and Billy Bob does, too, because his whole entire thing with every single line of dialog is to make you believe that the worst possible like thing that could happen is happening right now. I love it's his job is to elevate the stakes with every single scene is in his stuff like all of his stuff in you know, the meetings boardrooms, conference rooms. I love that one guy bubbling Billy Bob's like career from somebody else who's maybe had a little less caffeine, just like that. You know, Jason Isaacs is there, the corner. Billy Bob's like this pretty much smartest guy in the world. You should listen to him. I just I love it. And Jason, what is Jason Isaacs aids like? I be listening to a man who got a C minus in chemistry. Or would I? I don't know. It's like this is also one of those scripts where you could feel like every hot writer in L.A. probably took a pass at it. Like, I bet even Tarantino had a pass and just got like one line of dialog in there. I don't know, some. It just there's a lot of like snap, crackle, pop and let's not forget about what was one of I don't even know where I would put it in terms of this would be a good conversation to have is like, what's the greatest song? Well, the year ever because the year before you had Titanic. So it starts this whole thing of like, we need a songs for our movie. So they do that in Armageddon and it worked like this song was a fucking hit and it fueled the movie. It really worked. And it's still a hit. It's still a banger. It's I don't Want To Miss a Thing by Aerosmith. This song is an absolute banger, and if it comes on at the club, then we're all going. It would never come on in the club. But if it were everyone would get going with it. Oh, man. Oh, God. All right. That was your number six. My number six is my first one. That will say 1997 on anything you read of it. Small film, twisty film. It's David Mamet's The Spanish Prisoner. Oh, I love it. I love this movie. I'm a huge David Mamet fan, and The Spanish Prisoner is the movie he that clearly Mamet made to say, like F-you to all of his haters because it's rated PG. There's not a single curse word in the whole thing. He's not relying on that. And it is. The Spanish prisoner is the name of a very famous con in general, very old con. And you see it get to be played out with an amazing cast, Campbell Scott, Steve Martin playing totally against type. Ricky Jay, Rebecca Pidgeon. I watched it last night. It actually helped me. It bumped it up a few more steps when I reviewed it on letterbox because I review every movie, gave it highest rating. Like I just love this. It's so twisty. If you've never seen it, it's very easy to find. It's unlike Peacock and to be right now. I promise to just. It's a really fun. All right. But I was watching it yesterday for this episode. I went, Oh, I get this now. This is just the 1940s noir. That's how he wrote this. It has some technology in it, but that's all it is. Like the way they're talking to each other. It's exactly like a 1940s noir. So if you like those types of movies, you'll love this. It's so good. Fucking love the Spanish Prisoner. Love this movie. Well, you're fucking you're, you're, you're. I feel like you're trying to really sell it to an audience of me right here. You have you. That's it. You can all do it because. Yeah, this is. Yeah, we have a guy. Yeah. We've never had the full conversation. I don't know what it is, but I don't know, like, why you don't necessarily like him. Other than. Yeah, here's what I can say. If you're not down with his speak. It's the same thing with Aaron Sorkin. Like if you're not down with, with the way this dialog is written and being delivered, an understanding that real people do not talk like this in the world, this is not how people talk and understand going, okay, he's that's all intentional. Like he doesn't want us to take place in hardened reality. I can step into it and be very okay with it. I cannot do that with every Aaron Sorkin thing. A lot of people can't do it with Tarantino. Just these people who manipulate language to suit their needs. But yeah, I'm I'm a massive David Mamet fan and if I've honestly loved to talk about him on the podcast, but I would never make you watch a bunch of movies from someone you don't like. But I've always wanted to like even have a guest on to talk about it because I've this is probably one of our biggest you and I, our biggest like separators. Our biggest divide. Yeah, because you and I, we've never even really talked about him on Mike or off. And I'm like, obsessed. I know everything about particularly his film work, all the plays, not as much I know the plays that have been turned into movies, but his screenplays and his are the ones he's directed, he hasn't directed and movie in a long time. But yeah, I love them. Well, I mean, I can absolutely speak to it. I mean, he's number one in first and foremost. Like there's nothing that I have would respect like that. Like this is get out that is coming from theater. David Mamet is a giant and I and I, I stand by this too. I feel like you can't really if you're entering into the world of theater as an actor or as a writer, you do need to work with David Mamet in some type of way because it's almost it's almost like its own style. It's it's, it's, it's not Shakespeare or anything like that, but there is a certain level of rhythm that you have to get into that is Shakespearean in order to do Shakespeare, you have to find that rhythm for Mamet, you have to find that rhythm. And I respect that. I really do. And he has done so many things. And there are certain things when I see it done well, it's undeniable that I'm like, Well, that's that's exactly how like Glengarry Glen Ross is a perfect example. I was going to say like, do you not like that movie? Or No, I do like that movie, which he did not like that he did. He only wrote. But yeah, and that is all of those actors cooking on all cylinders with that dialog. And and when it works, it really works. My issue is purely from a writing standpoint. I'm like, Just say what you fucking want to say. Just every character just dances around it. The whole time. And I'm like, Oh, it drives me up the wall. No, but this is what I mean. Like if you can't get into the syntax of it and it's like, I'll give you $1,000 for that camera. This camera, That camera. Yes, I'll give you $1,000. You don't need to offer me money. It's just a courtesy. If you want the camera, I'll give it to you. It's like. So that's all from Spanish Prisoner. It's la da da da da. And it's going back and back and back again. This is not how people actually talk. It's. Yeah. Hey, I didn't want to have my picture taken there. Can you give me that fucking camera? Like, I'll pay for it if you want people. But it's all Spanish Prisoner in particular is obsessed with politeness and gratitude. And so all the characters are very overly polite. And if you say something that's a slight like this word wasn't nice, or you didn't extend this courtesy to me, Yeah, I can step into all that. I do not want to watch every movie this way. I don't. But but looking at his filmography, I mean, there are just so many outstanding things like Glengarry Glen Ross, short of his screenplays, like The Verdict, I think is Tops Glengarry Wag the Dog. I love I love the screenplay for White Dog The Edge. I love that movie. I'm just I'm a huge fan. Have you of the movies he's directed, have you ever seen Heist with Gene Hackman? Oh, no. 2001. Yeah. I wonder if you would like that. It's it still has the dialog but Hackman is like that Was that mix with Tenenbaums That was his last great performance and he is even if you don't like Mamet, everyone who watches Heist, you're like, already fucking good in that. It's him. Sam Rockwell really breaking out a huge breakout role. Danny DeVito playing extremely against type and Delroy Lindo, who is incredible. Oh, I love that movie. There is a high scene in it that goes back to Jean-Pierre Melville, which is it's like 10 minutes. And they do not say a word. You're just watching them operate. They're not speaking because they've already rehearsed it. So they're just doing it and not talking. And we're just watching their movements with such great efficiency. So right there, that's Mamet going, You think I need a million words to make my point? I'm not going to have anyone talk for 10 minutes and watch this. And it is an amazing high scene. So I hear you saying, I absolutely do. I can't I can't even argue with you about it, because it is correct. He does right that way. That is true. It is. But again, like I'm also not speaking from a place of like like I don't I don't understand why he is who he is and why he is, like, revered in this way, because I think it's all deserved. It's just a personal reference in taste. But that all being said, I have to even give him more credit because in figuring out one of my characters for the latest script that I'm writing, here you go. I did not unlock that character myself until I frustratingly read American Buffalo Bone, and I literally threw the play against the wall because I got so pissed at one of the characters for just not saying what he needed to say. But then I go, Oh my God, that's who my character is. You're the guy to say, Yeah. So I mean, all of this is really just me actually proving your point of how good he actually is. Well, it'd be interesting to go. We don't have time here. It would be interesting to go through his filmography and see, like, how many of his you've I'd be curious how many you've, like, seen and sat through. But hey, that was a nice conversation because it was, you. I always like talking about Mamet. It's just always one of those things where it's like, if I have to sit through a mammoth thing, I'm like, This better be fucking good. I was just, I was like, had a huge smile on my face the whole time watching yesterday. First of all, like Mike Campbell, Scott Love is at the top of like my character actor love. So there's Ray Liotta, there's Chris Mac. I'm not playing that jingle because that was an inorganic way to bring it up. It was an Oh, no, you're bringing in the jingle. I'm not. I can't. Well, you've said it. You said you made the president. You know who you've laid down the thunder. You know who's in the faculty, who has two scenes, three seats, Chris, as Elijah as Elijah Wood's dad. That's right. Chris Mack. That's how much I love Campbell Scott right up there with Chris Mack. So it's just great to see him doing the Mamet speak. We can move on. It's okay. I actually have two in row here because number five was rounders for you, rather your number five rounders. But we do have to breeze over it. There's another point you want to say to it. Speak on it. No, I'm done. Can't believe I call it a hanger worm. What a shit hole. Just like immediately when you get to that caliber, that's 11, okay? And you. And you see David's face, like the camera just holds of David's face. Like This fucking asshole. The one thing he had to do was stay out of here, Just go to a bowling alley, and he couldn't do it. I just realized I was talking to the microphone for, like, 20 seconds because I was so into it. My mouth was just completely away from the microphone. Rounders Number five cracked your top five for getting into your top five. Yeah, well, I suppose both of our top five is it. It was two in a row that have I IMDB 1997 releases. Oh I rewatch this one often and I put it on this morning, woke up at 6 a.m. and put it on before my workout. Well, that is Paul Schrader's affliction. Yes, we're going to talk about it. So we're definitely going to talk about this is in my top five of the year. This is, um, it's a really, really important movie to me. Like it gets this is one that gets better with age. Absolutely. This is one that got a lot of airplay on our drunken Saving Private Ryan commentary for no reason. Just I just kept bringing it up briefly because I don't know how how well this one has been seen. Thankfully, it sometimes it's easy to find. Sometimes it'll pop up on to be on Pluto on those, and then it'll just go away. It's never gotten a Blu ray release. I bought the DVD. I actually sent you the DVD. Yes, you should for this podcast, because I'm like, No excuses. You got to watch it. DVD doesn't look that good. That's okay. It's just it's a home grown movie about about Nick Nolte. Are you living in this cold, quiet town? And he has an alcoholic father played with ferocious intensity by James Coburn, who won best supporting actor. Rightly so. It's not even about like there's no big thing that happens there kind of is, but you're just watching them and you're watching a man like turn into his father and as a result, fall apart. And it is it's this is right up there with leaving Las Vegas as best movie I've ever seen about the lifelong effects of alcoholism, not just the drink itself, but if someone is, you know, that lifelong boozer, what that does to everyone. And it's not, you know, Nick Nolte, he has a brother in the film and a sister, but the brother is played by the film's narrator, Willem Dafoe. And they have completely different lives, completely different lives, because at 1.1 of them decided to make a choice and diverge and not go the way of the drink and not be afflicted by the same disease. And I mean what power. I didn't expect to turn it on this morning, but you and I were actually just talking about it on the phone yesterday. So I'm like, I am going to put on I mean, I watched it two weeks ago and I was just too well, this is one of those ones where it's like it didn't make my top ten. And I think that's a real, real big problem because I, I have a feeling that, like, if you were to ask me in a little, like, you know, a month from now, this probably would be because I can't stop thinking about it. Well, yeah, it's fair. Yes, you watched it and well, the thing is, is like, I love Paul Schrader. Like, I really this is my favorite. He's done. This is my favorite movie. He's done. I don't know if there's anyone out there and maybe this is such a broad blanket statement, but maybe it's not that in his writing and directing puts himself out there as much as Paul Schrader. Yeah, like that man has had a lot of darkness and hate in his life that it seems like to his credit, he's overcome. He's dealt with. I think he works on it every I think he works on it every day. Yes. But it is there It is in the work. It's in the work. And it's unapologetic. He does not shy away from it. He like and and he has a point, though, and you said it perfectly. These are the long term effects of what happens to people who are like this. It's not a cautionary tale. No. But I feel like everything he writes is in his way, just like watch it play out. But there's no one going like don't do this, don't have that. It's not like that. It's like, Hey, watch what happens when you do have that 12th drink of the day. Watch this. That's what it's doing. Yeah. And he just goes is deep into like the vein it could possibly go to. And I just really appreciate any artist in this and any genre really, whether it's a writer, director, even like painters or shit that just like they've got their shit and they're going to put it out and it's not for everyone. Like it's not you can't watch a movie like this or like a movie like, Oh God, that won't be just references on the page. Not too long ago, the one with George C Scott Hardcore. Hardcore. Yeah, hardcore. Everybody's awesome. Oh, good. Right? Like, like Taxi Driver. I mean, bringing out the dead, like, Raging Bull. So it's. It's a Raging bull. Like it's on screen. He puts it all up there, he puts it all up there. And then the movies that he directs that he's got control over are really the ones that get real weird because he he's got no other like auteur to kind of like finesse what he's trying to do. Yeah, we're not his we're not watching Jake LaMotta masturbate in the prison cell as it was written by Paul Schrader. We instead Scorsese, he goes, He's going to punch the wall. Instead they're Paul And that's that's so yes, yes. There's yes. When when it's. Schrader uncut, as is the case with affliction. There's nothing sexual in affliction at all. But it is like, no, here you go. My goal is to make the feel bad movie of the year and I'm going to do a really good one. And he does. Yeah. And and that's and that's what I really appreciated about this movie was that the the depths that he was willing to go as a writer and director, but then also give it to all of the actors for doing the exact same thing. Yeah. Like Nick Nolte. Man, I would love to know what that working relationship was like because, well, Oh, okay. This was idea. Nick Nolte, the executive, produced this. This was this movie was largely him and Paul Schrader developing it together and finding the finance. So it was it was all good. Everyone was there to work. It was we're doing it. We're here. That's amazing. He sat down, James Coburn, and he said, because they offer it to a lot of people and a lot of people were afraid. I think even Paul Newman. And then Newman suggested James Coburn. They offered it to James Garner, James Caan, and they were all like, I can't, I can't go here with this. Like, you know, these are all guys who maybe it was well hidden because it was decades ago, but a lot of the old school guys had problems with booze, like a lot of them. And, you know, it wasn't talked about as much as it is today. And they just didn't want to go and do this. But they kept suggesting James Coburn, Paul Schrader went to James Coburn and essentially said, I need you to actually act in this like I've been trying for years to get this made. We only have $6 million. And James Coburn is like, oh, great, no one's asked me to do that in years. And ended up winning the Oscar for it. And he's I mean, I was honestly getting a little emotional this morning watching it, even though I've seen it before, because I've known guys like this I've known professional boozers. Like what? Nick Nolte, he's on his way to or I've known guys who are in James Coburn shape. I'm not saying I know them well, but I've seen guys operate like this, I've seen it and it is a shockingly realistic portrayal of it, even the way like his voice will go up, he's mocking them. Or my favorite little moment of the movie is the first time we meet James Coburn, Sissy Spacek, who plays like the kind of love interest of Nick Nolte, even though Nolte is not really character, I don't really think he knows what love is or like how to go about it, but it's the first time they go to James Coburn's house. So it's Dad's house and he has to walk past his dad to get to the bedroom, to go check on his mom because, you know, mom's taken a nap. So Nick Nolte, he wants to go check on her. And when he does this, he gives James Coburn or Pop, as he calls him, like a triple take of like any hunches, his head down because he's so terrified of him. He's bigger than James Coburn now. He's younger. He could kick the shit out of him, but he's still terrified and he dwarfs himself and he makes his voice smaller and he's like giving him this triple take and that right there, it's like, Oh my God, just the effects of it. And then all the little details, like the licking of the salt constantly. And that's what you see space that clicks together of, Oh my God, just turning into your father. And, and then you lead to a conclusion where you're seeing father and son kind of behave like animals. And I'm not saying they're all around in the dirt and wrestling. It's it's not that kind of movie. It's the way they're talking to each other. Yeah. I mean, that bottle and, like, just going all around and, like, just, Oh, my God, you're just watching Two beasts. I love this movie. If we're talking about addiction movies, this is rated so highly for me. I love this movie, but not not a feel good. Just American history, not a feel good movie. No, no, no, no. But yeah, what a it's a very, very powerful and I really, really like that. Thank you for sending it to me because that there's no way. Because you can also see it anywhere. No, sometimes it'll pop. It's just one of those that pops up for like a week or two here. But I don't know, It's, it's, it's just a shame because, like Blu ray Paul Schrader commentary, which he's done for a lot of movies, like I'm the first one to buy it, but there's probably a total out there who would love it. Affliction Blu ray with The Paul Schrader commentary. But oh my God damn it, I'm one of them. Yeah. God, I love it. I am very glad you watch it. Really glad we had a nice discussion about it. Affliction. Oh, so good. Your number four. Yes. I'm glad we're doing this one because this would be my double feature. But unlike you, where I just took two movies that have. No, no correlation to each other. Whatever. Whatever, man, it's so they have a correlation in my heart. They match it. But you know what? If it wasn't for that, then I wouldn't be able to do this. And this makes me so happy because I wasn't. I didn't know how else was going to get this movie in here. So this is my dark comedy section. I know. I knew one of them that I did. Yeah, I do. One of them is going to be here from Oh yeah, Funniest movie Episodes Pod. The first movie in the double feature is this awesome piece of business called Dead Man on Campus. Yes, Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, you're for dead, man. I'll get a better movie than Out of Sight. A better movie that he just gave. I don't. Hey, is why these are lists. Dead men on campus is remarkable, but. Well, this was the one movie that when it was done in the theater, my dad was like, I don't know if we should have done that. One same private eye. Totally fine, totally fun to watch people get fucking hacked to shreds, like stabbed slowly through the chest, like, no big deal, you know? No big deal. But bong hits over and over in college. Dad had a problem with that. I love it. It's just. I just like telling people who've never even heard of this movie. The premise and the premise is, is that it's this these two guys, these college roommates party too hard and and start flunking out of their classes. But they find a loophole in the school's charter that if your roommate of your dorm room commits suicide, you get straight A's total rule by the year. An actual real thing. Not at all. What? Not at all. And so these to go on a mission to try to find the most suicidal person on campus. Yeah. And get them to move in and get them to kill them. It's it's so fucked up in today's standards. You wouldn't even. Oh, my God. And the best part of the movie is that one of the leads is who is more is or is BNP. Jim mpg Mark-paul Gosselaar mpg. Do the fuck that and big baby MDG mpg never loses so god still looks amazing. Fuck I love Mark-paul Gosselaar. He does look good. I love Mark Fall guy. What about Mario Lopez? I mean, that dude looks exactly the same. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Whatever he does, whatever he's got, whatever he's got going on. They all had great careers after, didn't they? Oh, man I followed Mark-paul Gosselaar. He did a show called Hyperion Bay on the WB that I watched just in full support of just I'm following Mark-paul Gosselaar wherever he goes. Did you watch Saved by the Bell The College years? I sure did. Fucking love. I even saw the college. I love the Oh, the movie where they got married. You had watched the movie. They got married. It's made for TV. Yeah, about to watch it. I'm about to do what I might do. What they do it. Dead man on campus. They go watch them. They love you, Dad. The muscles look like they're down. Yeah. Oh, God. Does it. Is that what? At what point? Just, like, beat the shit out of it. Mark Bowling? Yeah. Steady. Yeah, That's like, actually, Yeah, like beats hip up. You're like, What the fuck? He literally, he's. He's like, Come here. And. And he's like, It's me. Fossils, the toilet cleaning clown. And for your next one, I also want to call out that it is a debut film. Oh, another debut. Peter Berg from Peter Berg. So this would be a great follow up to Dead Man on campus. And that would be Peter Berg's very bad things. Yes, Go Cameron Diaz performance. I was going to say, I'm actually going to ask we didn't mention her in the funniest movies episode. So what do you think of her in it? I like her. I think she's I think she's the best she's ever been in her career. She goes, Did you do the cocaine? Did they Honey, Honey, what did you call that? The Goodyear for her? She was in another really good comedy this year. There's something about Mary, which I don't think is going to make either of our list. But she she had a great year. Great 98. She I like Cameron Diaz, so I don't know if I but but I mean, the what she does in this movie was so different from anything that she had done previously or since then. She's never played the crazy, over-the-top psycho kind of character, and she played it so well. And just when you think that she can't get any more wild, she does. And it's just something you don't see a lot anymore. You just don't see it anymore. Just yeah, just going to just we're going to make something really fucked up, really dark and and everyone's going to lean it. But both of these movies, I think, are absolutely hilarious. They are. That's a great double feature, Great dark comedy, double feature. I like it. I support it. I do. Thank you. Real quick about Cameron Diaz. This has nothing to do with 1998, nothing to do with anything. I just don't know if you ever heard this. I just learned this myself. Stay with me. Oh, boy Cameron Diaz was in the next year in 1999. It was in a movie, Being John Malkovich. That movie is directed by. Oh, yeah, Directed by Spike Jones. Right. His first movie Jump Ahead Four Years. And Spike Jones's wife, Sofia Coppola, makes a movie called Lost in Translation, in which Ana Faris is apparently playing. Cameron Diaz I did not know that too. That's based on but she based that very heavily on like this is the way it was kind of going between because Giovanni Ribisi in Lost in Translation is based on Spike Jones. That's what makes the movie so weird. It's that they're like, because they got divorced, like right after the movie came out. So it's all very odd. So that's that's a kind of a funny thing to keep in play. But then why this got brought up recently is because Rooney Mara in the movie her is based on Sofia Coppola in hers, of course, directed by Spike Jones. So we have this whole weird connection of like because Sofia Coppola, who has a movie coming out Priscilla very shortly, was is on the press tour and basically said, Yeah, I've no interest in seeing her. I don't want to see Mara playing me. And that's when it clicked for me and I went, Wait a minute. Oh, is that what's going on there? I always knew the Giovanni Ribisi thing and Lost in translation. But then when I some digging, I'm like, Oh, on affairs, the way she's being all ditzy and lost in translation and Flaherty, that was deliberately based on Cameron Diaz and like the way she was behaving with Spike Jones on the set of Being John Malkovich. Wow, this is weird. Yeah, Isn't it weird? Fucking Hollywood, man. That's crazy stuff, man. Hot Hollywood, Hollyweird, man. Hollyweird. So you don't have any You didn't know about any of that? I just learned about all of that. Go watch both movies, which I plan to do. I haven't seen both in a while. I'll have a new lens when I watch them anyway. Tangent City Back on track. Your number four double feature. My number four also a comedy. The only comedy on my list, which we referenced earlier, and that is The Big Lebowski, directed by Joel and Ethan Coen. Great. This is my number four. Perfect. It's my number three. Really? Oh, shit. That's so cool. We actually have some crossover. Okay, so you were joking when you were like, It's this year. I didn't know. Oh, back to back. I love it. So your number three? My number four? Yeah. Just love this movie. A very odd movie. And in the way it was perceived when it was released because it no one liked it. It bombed. I mean, Fargo was like the Coens were these weird little guys who like blood samples, crazy like Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink, Hudsucker Proxy, What is this? And they do Fargo. And that went them an Oscar went Frances McDormand An Oscar. I don't think I've ever met a single person in my life who hates that movie or dislikes it. It's just it's Fargo. Like it's a great 90 minute. It's amazing. The movie the next year, the Shaggy Dog, like the long goodbye type thing that doesn't you're like, Oh, what is this, like a the loose? It's neo noir, like this crazy, Vietnam obsessed sidekick. And it was not a movie that was well liked when people saw the first time. I didn't get it at all, I rented it. I didn't see there. I did not get it at all in 1998 and then just went back over and over. Now one of my favorite comedies. Yeah, Burn after reading Barely Edge It Out on the funniest movies we've ever seen list because I had to have a Coen brothers. But yeah, Big Lebowski. Come on, forget it. I remember it took me a while to see it because I remember when it came out and no one was talking about it, but then I remember it started developing this cult status. Yes. Like a few years later. And I liked it from the first time I watched it. But it has become a movie that every time I've watched it since, it gets better with every viewing. Mm hmm. There's just some filmmaking stuff that's going on in this movie that is just masterful. The ode to, like, noir. The just some of just the weirdness that the Coen brothers do. It's just so, like, lived in and it's like little things that aren't even funny that end up becoming the funniest things. That's what makes it so great. Yeah. Like, yeah, things that. How about a few more old sodas? Gary Like, yeah, it's all the little stuff. That's what you just latch onto. There's of course, the big stuff, but be careful. This is a beverage here. But there's just, yeah, a cast that's like, just impeccable. I mean, even Ben Gazzara, I'm sure haunt Ben Gazzara, who was also in Spanish prisoner another no to that but got a Peter Stormare is also I mean they're all just great but it's John Goodman who if the movie had been better received he would have been nominated for an Oscar. And but this is what I mean, like when you look at the Oscar nominees for best supporting actor, you're like, God, that's really stuffy. Like you couldn't slip in John Goodman, Like, you couldn't have a little fucking fun here. Jesus. Listen, have you ever heard of Vietnam? Walter Sobchak is one of my favorite movie characters all time. What he does with this role is it's so good that last line that that Jeff Bridges has from where is where he spills Danny's ashes and the men who fought bravely in Vietnam, Jeff Bridges goes, he goes, Why is everything such a fucking catastrophe? You, man. But I mean, you spread the ashes. Oh, yeah. It's like, Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It. And he's just like, Come on, dude. It's like you fell in because that's the one breast spit in the in the his performance where he sort of shows a vulnerable side to him knowing that he's kind of a fuck up. And he based that character on the famous screenwriter slash director John Milius. Did you know that? Oh, no. He wrote. Yeah, he wrote like CONAN the Barbarian. He wrote Apocalypse Now, wrote and directed Red Dawn, a real hell of a character. A lot of script rewrites. He wrote the Indianapolis monologue in Jaws, so he would go like doctor up. Yeah, he would doctor stuff up like that big guy in, like, sixties and seventies. Very, very intense. But that's who he based it on. God, I love that movie. And John Goodman is the real kind of highlight for it for me. All right, Big Lebowski, The Dude abides my number for your number three. So that means we would go to my number three, which is Out of Sight, directed by Steven Soderbergh. Oh, baby time my top three. I love this movie. You talked about the coolness earlier and I suggested the editing, like how cool is hugely important on me to see that editing style and like mixing things up. And that became very important to Soderbergh the way his movies look and are edited became very important to him, so important that he started doing it himself, but he did not shoot or edit out of sight. He didn't have that much clout yet. This Is the movie that gave him the clout to do that for traffic, for, you know, all that came after. So, yeah, out of sight. Very. I would love to put this one on like right now. Also, just because you referenced how David Mamet has influenced the thing you're working on the love scene, not love seen in Out of Sight is so important to me how you see everything but the actual sex itself. Yeah, it's one of my favorite love scenes because don't show anything. It's all about intimacy. It's not gratuitous at all. And I love that. That is a big it's always been a big influence on me about not in that regard, a lot less and just having it be suggested at And that's big for Soderbergh too. So yeah, I love that. I man, I had no idea this was going to be that high on the list. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it makes me like the movie even more. Yes. Well, okay, so that was my number three burning through him. This is what happened. So then here's what I want to say about your two and one. And I do not know what they are, but I have because I know you. I have some theories and. Well, I mean, I honestly, I think you should know what my number one is. But I do. I do know what number one is. Okay. Yeah. So so this is all writing on this one is I already have that written down. So number I actually have a theory what it is, I'll put it this way, I do not think it's the Travolta movie we referenced earlier. I don't think it's that. I actually think it's something that resonates a little more with you based on where it is located. I'll say that. Oh, man. All right. You know, I like this. I like this. And my number two, the. What are you watching, Nick? Those still pick four. Number two, City of Angels. Baby, are you serious? No. Oh, no. Oh, my. Oh, wow. You're so bad. Well, I. You know what? Bad? I didn't fucking know like I did. I was like, he can't be serious, but he loves Cage. I got a soft spot. Oh, City of Angels. What a fucking downer. I was like, it's either I was either going to pick that or sliding doors. I was like, Oh, God, no. My great, my great four realizes four realizes. My number two is the Thin red line. Oh, thank. Yes, yes, it made it. Oh, wow. Okay. I didn't know. I didn't know if you were going to have a debut film, Buffalo 66, which will get to in our debut section. I like that. Yeah, I know you like that movie a lot. That's where I thought you might go. The Thin Red Line is my number one movie of 1998. It is if I did a list, I did a list of my blog ages ago, and I said this was my 11th favorite film of all time, The Thin Red Line, directed by Terrence Malick. John Travolta does have a very small part. Yes, this is like a captain or an admiral. He's he's a rank above Nick Nolte. So he is actually the highest ranked person we see in the movie, which is pretty crazy. And yeah, you don't really expect it. Even in the theater, you're like, wait, what? Like he's in this because he was a huge star at the time, huge on the come up star face off like he was doing really big and he's just in it for a scene and you're like, okay, I mean, Clooney's only in it for a scene, too. And you're like, Okay, this is crazy. So wow, I could talk forever about this one, but let me get mine out of the way. My number two is he got came directed by Spike Lee, which was your number seven and we talked about it up there. So that's good. So yeah, my three and two, you had said early in your list, so that's all good but yes, in red line your two. My one and then we'll save final discussion for your number one, which is something we've talked about on the podcast a lot I'm sure. But tell me Thin Red Line, because I don't think you've seen it nearly as much as I know. And I got to know, I, I remember watching I actually had a poor experience the first time I watched The Thin Red Line because I just was not in a place to appreciate Terrence Malick yet. I remember it being I didn't see it in theaters would have been a half would have been amazing to see it in theaters. Yeah, but it was around the Saving Private Ryan Thin Red Line conversation. So I remember seeing Saving Private Ryan in theaters and that being the war movie, the World War two Movie of the Year, and then maybe like a year or so, I rented the Thin Red Line And just remember, like, I can't get through this. It's the exact opposite of Saving Private Ryan. Cover it. Yeah, Largely around the same time period and completely different reasons. One is the European theater of World War Two. One is the Japanese Theater of World War Two. But it's they could not be more different. They couldn't be more different. And it was wrong of me to actually have a comparison because you can't It's not. Oh, everyone did, though. Everyone, everyone, everyone was saving Private Ryan. December was the Thin Red line, and I remember seeing both. And when the Thin Red line ended, my dad goes Saving Private Ryan is a good movie about war. The Thin Red Line is the best film about war I've ever seen. I've that I've never understood the emotional hell of war better than in what we just watched. And I had the same I mean, he's much older, obviously, but I it was resonating with me in that way as well. The first 25 minutes Saving Private Ryan are visceral, viscerally. Nothing really compares to that. I get that. Nothing compares in Saving Private Ryan to the hurricane performance of what Nick Nolte is doing and the thin red line that is. It's just one of the best acting performances I've ever seen. Oh, well, it's it everyone, honestly, in that movie that is a who's who of anyone. Who is anyone. Yep. I mean, there is not one point where you don't recognize somebody in that movie, which is cool. Watch, You know, almost 20. I mean, they had 25 years like later, like 25 years to see some of these actors that we know so well now that we didn't really know then, but or we did know and we've gotten to know more or ones that we've gotten to know less, whatever it is like, That movie is a real huge cast of amazing, amazing actors. I remember and then I saw it again later on in life, and I had a bigger appreciation for it because I remember I remember the second time I saw it, I was like, Oh, this is this is like a poem about war. Yeah, yeah, that's it. And that is what it is in a very simple term or expression. But I just rewatched it actually got a Stars subscription to cancel just so I could watch it. I appreciate your courageousness, all your efforts, man. I can tell you how how entranced I was, but this is because I such a Terrence Malick fan. Yeah. Yeah. And it has been a gradual, like, appreciation for a filmmaker. To me, that is just there's nothing but pure art in his movies. And that's what this is. It's yes, there is a bit of a narrative. There is like some threads, there is a little bit of a plot, I suppose, but you're not watching it for any of that. You're watching it for what he's giving you, what he's challenging you with. The emotional human elements are to these situations, and he's giving it to you in the most beautiful and horrific ways you could ever see it. Like there's I've always heard people talk about like the beauty of not war itself, but like those invisible moments of when you're in this foreign country doing a job that you don't really know what it is or what the point is, what you're told to do, and you have to do it in your around who you're around. And then there's the environment of which you're at and the contrast, the brutality and horror of war with just some like beautiful imagery. Yeah. Or like a bird suffocating to death because of the war. Like a baby bird. That's. Yeah, it's violence. Yeah. Spielberg will show you a soldier laying on the beaches of Normandy with his guts hanging out, screaming for his mother. And that's very effective. Malick is going to show you a Japanese soldier half dead and half buried under dirt as fall goes by. And he's going to hold on that for like 70 seconds and go watch this. He's going to show you a guy in the Thin Red Line who is clearly getting enjoyment out of going around plucking the teeth out of very recently dead Japanese soldiers. He's get it. We don't see him do it. But that's clearly what's happening. And then, you know, you got you got to watch that and pay attention to it and then maybe it's like 45 minutes later, that same soldiers sitting in the rain with his shirt off crying and he can't touch these teeth he's collected. So he has to throw them. And it's just war is hell. There is no just because you have this like persona. And that's the thing about Saving Private Ryan. Like after those first 25 minutes, I think it turns into a pretty conventional movie and every guy has their pretty conventional stereotypes and the conventions about where they are, about how they are, and they don't really like not really change that much. And I mean, in the third red line, it's just totally opposite. Like when you see this isn't a spoiler at all. When you see Nick stalled die, like he looks like he's a child and that's how some of them would have looked. You're like, Oh, wow, like, Katie's so young. But yeah, one of my favorite sequences in honestly and really all of is Elias Koteas and Nick Nolte is on that radio together. And that scene is in the book. It's in the original movie made in the Sixties. It's clearly in this movie and turning down his order because he won't send his men to death is the way they play that in Nolte. Just that fucking rage of slamming his helmet down. And at one point or like, like he has his forehead up at one point, he's like, stunned. And then as soon as Koteas denies that or the order starts soon as Soros turns the order down, notice face just like melts. And he doesn't know what to say. And he just like spits, you know, is a very important decision you're making. Oh, my God. And then their confrontation of, you know, several scenes later when he relieves him of his command, it's just and when he's like, I'm nominating you for the Silver Star and definitely do it in a way that won't be turned down and made. So I have the Purple Heart to like I'm getting got to have such chills realized Curtis's face. He's like, why? Why? Yeah, because it's cuts on your hand. And he's like, Have you ever seen a man die? Have you really? Have you ever held him in your and just the leveling out and our final moment with Nick Nolte in that movie isn't really spoiler stuff. It's a Malick movie. We just see him having a breath to himself and getting emotional. It's like, Yeah, that this dude is a blowhard, is a monster. This is my first war, you know all that shit. He is a blowhard, but there is a heart in there. There is. And he's not okay with who is fully well. That's what's so incredible about the performance is like he he's in this emotional state of rage in so much of it and he is very upset at certain situations because he's he's not getting what he wants. But then even with that same amount of rage, he'll actually say something that's in his heart's alignment. Yeah. Yeah. And and you almost have to kind of be like, Wait, wait. Like you're it's so easy to write him off as just this one guy who's all up here. Just the board. Yes, yes. Yeah, just the blowhard. But, but I because that the my favorite scene in the whole entire movie is this scene with him and John Cusack. I think this is exactly I know exactly where I was going to go because Eli, like Elias Koteas and John Cusack in the movie, they're both captains. They're the exact same rank. Yeah, he Colonel Tall Nick Nolte, he does not get along with star Elias Cortese. They do not get along. But this guy John, Captain John played by John Cusack which is a really big you talk about pop that was a pop in the theater because he was extremely famous at the time. You watch it now, some people may be like, oh, but when he kind of turned around and you see him, you're like, Oh, fuck, that's John Cusack. Like, it was a big deal coming in it like, you know, the hour and a half mark of the movie, when they talk, John Cusack can actually get through to him. Yeah, someone that Colonel Tall is do doesn't want to listen to anyone. We saw him take shit from Travolta like an hour ago. He. He does it, you know shit rolls downhill but yeah. Cuz can get through them, you know they could die from it like the water and they could die. And I loved Nolte, like, shake it off and be goddamn it, I better. Yeah, but you see him like, bad. He's like, God dammit, he's right. God dammit. We may take this rain by nightfall, but yes, please explain the scene. I love that scene. Nolte is purely like unhinged and he's got to make these big leaps between calm to, like, rageful and and get across these things. But Cusack says very little throughout it almost seems like almost naive to think he respects him enough to not talk. He respects the chain of command to like, not push back, except when you absolutely need to. Yeah, but you can see in his eyes. Oh, it's judgment. It's like it's yes, exactly like he is like everything he's saying is like. Like in his eyes. It's really like you believe that. Like you really think that. Like like in it's almost like, do you know what I'm thinking about you right now? And then that's I think what turns Nolte around is like, he's sort of like, Well, I don't want you to look at me like that. So. Yeah, okay. We need runners. He calls him a son. He's like, he's like, You're like a son to me, John And then so dismissively just goes, You know what my son does for a living? He's a bait salesman. He just says it like. So I don't. I don't. Yeah, I don't even identify with him. But yeah, just the, the look of it's a very specific look that Cusack's doing like very, very subtle. Like you can't even put a pin on it because it's not like furrowing his but like total you know, it's later, it's not like that. It's just staring at him with these very clear eyes of like, Hey, I get it. This is your first war and you want to go take this ridge by nightfall. But we can't do that if these guys are passing out from being dehydrated, like, Yeah, this is what it comes down to. Yeah, I just fucking love it. I could talk about the movie, so I really loved the I mean, if there's anyone who really kind of has an arc, in a way, it's the Sean Penn arc. Oh, yeah, Yeah. Because he goes from the complete opposite of, like, what really seems like a company guy to seeing just the the acts of war. And then love that like last line where he's like, everything's a lie. Everything's a lie. Here comes another one, another chain of command, another one of this. Where's your spark now? Yeah, Yeah. And it's really, it's like in that that Jim Caviezel character, like, that's the one who's really seeing the beauty of life. He's like, even in the face of war, he never loses that eye for the, the, the beauty of what life can be, even though what we're doing seeing is the complete opposite. There's so much going on in the movie. That's what I mean. Like and it all lands like even Ben Chaplin. Private Belle. Oh, yeah. The Stooges won't shut up about his wife. My wife. My wife never spent a minute alone together, like, okay, buddy. And then. Oh, Hammer. Oh, Robert, Dude, go. Oh, my God. That scene whole. Dear Jon, baby, the dear John letter is fucking devastating, dude. Devastating is from a from real life experience. I have never said, Oh, my God, I have never seen in a movie something so closely like that, like situation like that happen to me. It cuts back to him and he's like, laughing because, like, he doesn't believe it. I've done that. I've, like, laughed at, like, this kid. This can't be fucking too real. Come on, man. Oh, I've never seen a movie put to such a specific, like, relatable experience. Oh, my guy's like, I couldn't believe what I was watching when it was happening. Oh, she's the only woman in the movie, too. It's the only time you really see a woman. She's the only. And it's. It's. Yeah and just I remember seeing that. I will never forget seeing that with my dad in the theater and hearing a oh, like this whimper when she reveals what reveals in the letter. My dad's been like, Oh, cause you just don't. You don't expect it. They're setting you up for that. You see, this guy loves his wife so much and you're like, But that was so common. That happens all the time, especially in that war. It happened all the time. I just hope this guy survives so he can go back to her exactly like, you know, like that's what you're hoping for. By the time this movie ends, like we see the soldiers who are left that have survived go back to their, you know. But not only do you not even know if he survives, that's where it ends. Like, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. This this beautiful thing that we're showing you all comes crashing down and then he's still in the war. Like, it's not even it's not even the end. It correct. It's not at all this I mean this needs a whole other episode which I noticed and wanted to do. I would actually love to kind of make the table it complete, complete now complete the full circle of the same Private Ryan commentary with a thin red line commentary, a sober one, I would suggest. But I think that because it's it's yeah, probably not not fully at least not fully but yeah I think that'd be cool because it sounds like you're like a little more invested into it now and I can this is one where like the Irishman I've thought about doing a solo commentary because I have like so much, but now, you know, we could like, go off each other. There's just so much more to get to our guy, John Savage. Steve from The Deer Hunter, I was just going to say, has an amazing scene when they do forget his name like he it he's like flipping out and yes, stare at his dog tags and he's flipping out in such a way that even Sean Penn is like, get him out of here. Get him out. He's losing it. We have to get him out. Because that type of thing could become infectious of like one dude flipping out. I lost all my men. All of them. All 20 are getting pressure. I mean, that's good. Oh, thanks. I love John. I've seen this movie so many times with it's dirt. Dirt and that. I mean, the Adrien Brody thing, if we're all to come. Oh, yeah. I could talk for 20 minutes about it, but, you know, we got to keep going. But, yeah, I could. I could go for ages. I think. I do think the performance notwithstanding, he's amazing. As wild as Wild is lost, Spielman and the pianist, part of him getting royally fucked over by this movie helped him win that out. That Oscar four years later, It did. I think lot of people were like, This dude's career was supposed to start four years ago because for people who don't know, I imagine a lot of people listening to this pod do know this Adrien Brody Corporal Fife was the main character of the movie. He is. That's how they shot it. That's how it's scripted. That's how it is in the original novel. And the original movie. Then the only thing that Terrence Malick did not film for that movie was all the stuff in the beginning on that foreign island. When Jim Caviezel has gone able, Terrence Malick was that was a B unit, did that. So they sent a whole other camera unit off to do that because Malick is filming the battle scenes and Malick does not watch dailies, meaning the footage they shot that day. He gets bored by them, but he was watching that footage because he did not shoot it. And when he's watching it, he's like, Who is this Jim Caviezel guy? What is doing? What is this? Which character? And he essentially, like reshaped the entire movie to focus around Jim Caviezel. And as the lead up for this movie, Terrence Malick does not communicate any of this to Adrien Brody. And that is not okay. That no phone call says you need a phone call because Adrien Brody, like, goes the premiere of this, whether it's in New York, in L.A., I don't know He takes his mother and he's like, you know, I'm sorry, this movie. And you go watch the final movie. And he has, I believe, two lines in the whole thing and I think he's camera for maybe a total of about 60 seconds like he has. He's a part of that mission in the end, that very small mission. But that's it. And and even then, that was it like it was I remember even that narrative coming out in early 1999, like Adrien Brody, a young actor, totally screwed over by this. I that helped him get cast in Spike Lee's Summer of Sam in 1999. I think that I do think him getting screwed over and it being such a Hollywood story, it was a huge part of Hollywood that I think that helped him win the Oscar. So I guess all's well that ends well. But it's just weird knowing that, like, this is the first instance of Malick cutting out of its movie, basically. Yeah. Which now he's known for. Yeah, exactly. But I agree. I think that's worth a phone call. Okay, just. Just a phone. I mean, just that he his because he got. Yeah, like, you know, it's not I mean he did, he did. But but when you're when you're thinking that this is going to be your thing and then it's like Yeah, I didn't, I went in a different direction. Yeah. The thin red line and he got game will be meant they will get their own episodes on this podcast at some point hopefully in the near future. Stay tuned. I'm not done talking about those thin red line. I mean, we just like, went off. I'm so glad that made you. Oh, yeah. We just like went off on a thing, which is great. We still have your number one to go. Dedicated listeners, The podcast will know what it is. I know what it is, but give it to us. Let's talk about it. All right, baby. We're about the one and only Fear and loathing in Las Vegas. Yep. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. One of your top ten shows of all time. Top. Oh, and it's all Hunter S Thompson. Basically, though, like, that's really what it is. It's a it's I don't know what it is about that guy, but this man who this life it it it just boggles my mind that a human being existed that was like this and was so like, you know, like we talked about this a few times where there's certain journalists that back in the day, like if Hunter s Thompson was as big a deal as an actor. Oh, he was a celebrity. Absolutely. He was a complete celebrity. Oh, yeah. And he he mattered. The political spectrum of America, his opinion mattered. He wrote for Rolling Stone magazine. He followed political God. What's that? What are they fucking trails? Campaigns, campaign trail campaigns? A He had a point of view on this American system and it was intelligent. But then he spent all of his time doing drugs, doing drugs, and just staying pissed with booze. Yeah, that's. Yeah, what it was. And shooting guns related. He operated this way. And there is just this rock and roll renegade fuck every thing. I see what I see in the truth and that's what I'm going to live by. I love this. I remember watching this movie for the very first time and just being like, Well, one on a filmmaking level, it's crazy. Oh, it's nuts. Pure Gilliam, what Gilliam is doing with the camera and just I still can't think of anything like it the way he's turning the camera, the angles that he's using, the shakiness, like the speed of the way things are moving to, like, give you that drug addled feeling and then just watching complete nonsense in the production design of all this ridiculous stuff for no reason. Like to know the Lizard was giving booze to. He's got them being like even even like, even like in this scene where they're at before they go on to Vegas, like they're at that like restaurant and like the little person comes with the phone that's one of my favorites. And he throws the change. He goes and he throws it. And it's like, why is why is why are they bringing this phone and then walking through like there's so much artful things that are going on in the movie that were to me just like senses, just like, look at these colors. Look at the the specificity of the things that are in the background is a feast for complete chaos. It's not a reasonable plot. Spark is like, so get out of the car and but then again it is the writing and unfortunately, man, do I wish I had read the book before I saw the movie. I latched on to the writing through the movie, not through the words on the page. When I read the book, I was just seeing the movie played back at me. But when I first saw the movie, I was experiencing writing and things that I because most of it's voiceover. I mean, this was the movie. Yeah, it's just the book and it's basically word for word the book. It really is. And just being like, Who the hell comes up with this to me? Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas in terms of the movie or the book is just a complete barrage of something that I could never know could even be done. And the film does that to me. I don't think it's a perfect movie like we talked about. Like I think it falls apart a little bit towards the end. I think it collects itself again and ends well. The thing is, though, about that, I agree. A lot of Gilliam movies do this. A lot of Terry Gilliam movies kind of fall apart in the last 30 years. Yeah. And I love. Terry Gilliam. But a lot of them do. I don't know. I don't think it's the material. I just think it goes a little too long. It also gets like dark, like with Christina Ricci, we're like, Whoa, this isn't like. But I think that's the point that's in fun. Well, you know, you can turn your back on a man, but you can never turn your back on it, you know? Yeah. And you do have that element of like what is actually going on right now. And and then you wake up from it and then I think the diner scene is amazing. I think that's where it actually picks back. Oh, and, and then the movie just ends there. And right after that scene, they're in the high speed, like trying to get Benicio to the plane. Like, there's something in me that lives in Hunter S Thompson that I get that inspires me. And I really appreciated someone taking that material and making the visual of the writing. I think that's what he did. I know Hunter as Thompson wasn't happy with the movie. He didn't like it. Well, he would. How the fuck would? But but, you know, yeah, exactly. Try to even get inside of what that man probably wanted would be a scary task. But I don't think you can get a better example of, like, capturing the the feeling of a writer the. And then putting it to a visual medium and, and having that work and what Benicio and Johnny Depp is just I can't even begin to fathom how those two did that and it's it's amazing. Yeah and for people who think that they were like wasted the whole time that's just hysterical because it takes forever to shoot a scene from a movie and there is so much boring technical shit that goes on just to set it up. And then you have to do it over and over and over. Yeah. Okay. So, so you get that jacked up for like a take. Okay. At what 9 a.m. when they start today. Yeah. By 4 p.m. you could still be shooting the same thing. You can't mean you can't be that jacked up on anything for that long after day. It's just good acting, that's all. It's just good acting. It's just good fucking acting. Oh, great. All right, let's go through our top tense, Just rapid fire before we get to some honorable mentions. I'll go first. Number ten, my double feature, B-movie double feature, Wild Things. And the faculty. Number nine rounders. Number eight. Number seven, Saving Private Ryan six, the Spanish Prisoner, a 1998 movie. Number five, Affliction, a 1998 movie. Number four, The Big Lebowski. Number three, out of sight. Number two, he got game number one, The Thin Red Line. Oh, yeah, You go. All right. Number ten, Gaspar Inoue's debut film, I Stand Alone. Number nine out of sight. Number eight, American History X, Number seven. He got game number six, Army fucking get in. Number five, rounders. Number four, the dark comedy double feature of Dead Man on campus, followed by Very Bad Things. A great Saturday night. Number three, The Big Lebowski. Number two, The Thin Red Line, and number one, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Awesome. So five. So we have the Thin Red line. He got Game Out of Sight, Big Lebowski and Rounders. Nice. That's that's fun. So we have a shared top five. That's the What are you watching Top five of 1998. Take it to the bank. I love it. All right. What do we miss? We miss a lot, but we just like big ones. I'm going to go through some, like, really rapid fire just to kind of get them out of the way. Well, let's start with these debuts. Let's get these debuts out of the way. First debuts I mentioned or tweeted gas part in a way for I Stand Alone. Tony Kaye, American History X Peter Berg, Very bad Things Also Pi by Darren Aronofsky. His first movie, which I actually just finished rewatching right before we went on Mike Really cool. There's a good whatever's on streaming right now. I was watching it on tube and that's clearly the 4K restoration looks very good. Just didn't make my list. But yeah, that's debut lock, stock and two smoking barrels. Guy Ritchie's first movie. Yeah, Good movie Buffalo 66 which you watched the first time and I had not seen in years and had a really fun time watching that. Vincent Gallo's an absolute fucking lunatic, but it's a it's a very well-made movie. It's a it's a perfect example of like, what independent movies could do back then. Like what they were doing, just this weird, out of pocket, like crazy movie that it doesn't need to do anything more than what it did. I think it's doing some pretty cool experimental wild nineties in this indie stuff. That was cool to see. Yeah, another Ben Gazzara performance. I had no idea mentioning his name on this podcast so much. Mickey Rourke getting one. Yeah getting one in that scene. Apparently Vincent Gallo gave him $100,000 in cash in a duffel bag. That was his payment. That's according to Vincent Gallo. So shirt, of course, it was like, of course, two more nil by mouth. Ever seen this Gary Oldman, the first film that he directed? Nutty No, Crazy British crime thriller Nil by Mouth, Very, Very Wild and Pleasantville, directed by Gary Ross and famous screenwriter. But that was his first movie that he directed, didn't I didn't know, You know, that one deserves an honorable mention. It was a movie at the time. All right. Let me go through some of my honorable mentions in that I have some like B side guilty pleasures but honorable mentions. Definitely a simple plan. My favorite Sam Raimi movie. And I wanted to mention that as a 20 tandem with Affliction because I think they're both like cold, homegrown American movies that are kind of feel bad, loosely like the just this domestic of very small towns. I love a simple plan. I think it's a very, very good movie. Like I said, my favorite Sam Raimi I a Bill Paxton is amazing. Billy Bob Thornton nominated for the Oscar. Bridget Fonda, one of her final performances. My main man Gary Cole love Gary Coleman It I yeah I really love that movie it's that was that was right on the edge of making my list. I was wondering if it was and I felt it was like, I can't believe it's not in mine. But that's just a I always like to say that's a solid piece of business right there. It really is. It really is. Other ones, it very nearly made my list. There's something about Mary, because I do love that Didn't make much room for comedy one that that yeah know one that we can't like and then there's just a few movies we can't in this podcast about mentioning one is Rushmore which I didn't know maybe make your list. That was a big it was a tough one. Yeah. Yeah. Tough one to not be on there. One that I absolutely thought would be on your list, The Truman Show. I really thought that. No, make your cut. So this is okay. This. I'm not you out. I know I'm not calling you out. And then as No, another one. I know you love can't hardly wait. I do think that's like an essential high school movie. I think it's great. God And Jennifer Love Hewitt, my love. Oh, she's great. I love that movie, though. That's that is a that that's that's when I think of like my time period of high school movies that that's high up on the list. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then just a few more. We had an author who made a movie this year that not a lot of people paid attention to. Snake Eyes directed by Brian. Yeah, I love that movie. One of my favorite kind of trash Brian De Palma movies. I don't know. I love it. The Idiots by Lars von Trier. That was such a hotly discussed movie. You see, unstimulated sex in it. Well, run, Lola, Run! That got a lot of attention. Directed by Tom Teicher. A lot of people talked about that at the time. Still talk about today. Blade was a huge movie in 98, a huge movie that is also kind of partly responsible for helping early kick off the comic book craze. I mean, you know, it was in there. It was it was a big deal. Like that was that movie was a big deal. And then another huge talking point of the year that kind of bombed and went nowhere was Gus Van Zandt shot for shot remake of Psycho, which I do appreciate. I actually like that movie. I appreciate it because it is it's wild to watch them. Soderbergh actually tried something on website. They made him take it down for rights issues where he would like cut the two together. It was really interesting. But as an experiment, it's fascinating. If you're as obsessed with Psycho as I am, that's in my top ten of all time. It is a literal shot for shot remake. The screenplay is credited to the original screenplay of Psycho. They didn't even change anything, so it's it's cool for that reason. But it's still it's also interesting because it doesn't work. It doesn't fully work, and it's fun to watch it for that reasons to go. Even if you use that same exact script and do the exact same shots, a movie can still not work based on any number of factors. What about the masturbating part? That is very stupid. They should not have added that. I didn't know you were going to bring that up. When I saw that in the theater, I literally leaned over to my dad. My dad took me to see it and I go, That was not in the original that was not needed. And my the kind of thing is like, you know, I listen to the commentary for this movie. It's and hey, rest in peace, Vince Vaughn and Gus Van Zandt on the stage is actually really good in the movie. She does various jobs. Marion Crane I like her. The masturbation, like their justification is this is likely was in his head what you couldn't do it in 1968. Yeah. It's also I get it too. But it's also like, no, I didn't need it. Then I got it. And if it wasn't in the first one, like the original and that is needed, that's really the only deviation. And it is. It's one of the reasons I think, that people kind of turn their back on it. You don't need it. It's very and keep in mind, this does not last long and you do not see anything. It is suggested that you hear it, but it's still it's like really weird. Okay, okay. We had to go there. Yeah, they went with it. That's, that's what I had for like kind of big 1998 films. And then there's just so much other shit that we didn't even mention. But give me some of your shit. Like, you know. Oh, we got to start with half baked. Oh, okay. So I definitely have that. It's like there's so many of these guilty pleasures on to here that I have mentioned. That's yeah, we should go back and forth for these. So you mentioned half and then. All right. One way I have was that was an important movie at the time, very important movie to my for my brother and his friends. As I recall. Important now. I mean, it's hilarious. I it's it holds up. It does. It does. Of desperate measures with Michael Keaton. I loved that one. U.S. Marshals. I love that. Yeah, I love U.S. Marshals. Oh, yeah. That's like that's like a and that's a really solid, like deep cut. Really good. Robert Downey Jr. It, too. It is. I love it. Such a shitbag. It it it's he's so good in it. Lethal Weapon four. Loved it. Love Lethal Weapon four One of my favorites of the series. This is a good one to talk about. I love this the man in the iron mask. Okay. Yeah, because I love the movie but the reason like it is because, you know, this may go unknown to a lot of listeners, but the fan backlash of Leonardo DiCaprio was so real that after Titanic, nobody wanted to see this guy at all at all. And this movie comes out. The movie does not do well because people don't go to it because Leo is in it. Can you believe that? It's not like this. Movies could have been a bigger it's okay movie. It's not the best, but it's but it still is a movie that that probably should have been more successful in the box office but wasn't all because of Leonardo DiCaprio which you think about now you're like that's that's ridiculous, right? But that's real. That really happened. I love that in one of America's most talked about actors, that there's a period in career that is forgotten where America turned their back on him hard. It was the five years between Titanic and catch Me if you can. So we're talking there's not much There's Man in the Iron Mask. Woody Allen's celebrity. Celebrity. The beach. Yeah, the beach. And then Gangs of New York, which was we talked about a lot on this podcast like he's I don't think he's good in that movie and I don't think I think a lot of no, except it's good and catch me if you can great in The Aviator and then it takes off and it's like, okay, But yeah, you're right. There is a spell there. He was cold. His cold, cold. Did you hear what I said? Lethal Weapon four. Of course I did. All right. To send. Well, yeah. I mean He is. You slip. You just breezed right past. No. Okay. I didn't hear when you said it. All right, all right. I'm just saying. Lethal Weapon four. It's great we're not too old for this shit. Yeah, you definitely are. You've been saying that for four movies. Small soldiers got to mention that because Dan and I talked about it. Our Gremlins two podcast, Halloween, H2O, 20 years later, a sequel that I actually really, really loved. Jamie Lee Curtis coming back. Josh Hartnett is here. Michelle Williams is here. I love Halloween, H2O, only like 80 minutes long. I love this movie. I think it's a really, really good Halloween sequel. Yeah, Great ending. Great ending. A great ending. It should have ended. It should have. Well, that's not their fault that they ended the movie. Like, that's that's good on them. Oh, I love it. Yep. You can't come back from being decapitated. You can't. It's really hard. Really? Like It just that that's. That. That's at that point, that's better. That's probably like my favorite Halloween sequel. That's way better than the David Gordon Green ones that I love that I got. I love H2O. Yeah I mean yeah we can rounded out we mentioned it's like okay I do like a civil action that was this was when American movies doing this sort of like you know ecological disaster movie this Erin Brockovich that stuff. I rewatched APT Pupil for this podcast because I had only seen it once, you know, to the Nazi movie director we don't talk about a lot. Yeah, the Nazi movie. But it's based on a Stephen King novella. And that was it was good. It's little, you know, It was it was good. It's a shame what happened to some of the people involved with that movie. Forgot David Schwimmer was in it. Yeah, but. Okay, give me your big one. The X-Files. They. Oh, I had The X-Files, I wondered. So my X-Files viewing was eye catching episode here. And there was my mom on Friday nights. It wasn't a dedicated thing. It sounds like you were like, fucking dedicated. I love it. My mom and I would watch every Sunday. The show had reached a point where so much shit was going on that it could only be executed by making a movie. Right? Right, exactly. The movie is just, I think, what it probably should have been. It was a longer, bigger episode, right? That's really what it was. And but a great score. I had that score on on compact disc. Oh, see, as the kids used to say B C CDs, they serviced the fans with that movie. When they came back for it the second time, it was all over they did. Yeah, I never saw that one either. Yeah, I saw this one, but I never saw that sequel. Yeah, At some point you got to you got to be like, All right, the IP, we've exhausted it. We got to take a break or something had to stop. Yeah, yeah, but, but this will be a little bit of a, of a, of a precursor to my. What are you watching. Oh, okay. Okay. I like it. I like it over fun. What are you watching, too? All right. Just kind of rapid fire. You've got mail So that I saw so many. The theater. That was a big one. I mean, Warren Beatty directed a movie this year. Bulworth probably mentioned that it was a big deal. Godzilla was a huge deal. In fact, it was the third highest grossing movie of the year, believe it or not, very, very big deal. Not a very good movie. Rush hour was a very big deal. Rush hour, huge comedy, three big sequels. A lot of people talked about that. What Dreams May Come really want it to be a thing like it really like yeah, serious. Robin Williams Really. It just didn't connect but some interesting ideas in it, but I haven't revisited it, but other big ones, I'm saving some for our Oscar discussion, but yeah, Metro Black was a big movie. I like Joe Black. Yeah, I get what they're doing. It's just, I don't know, it's kind of I wasn't that direct is word work me Yeah it doesn't I mean he did like Beverly Hills cop This is Martin Brest Scent of a Woman. But I get his sentiment you know, it's Meet Joe Black and then it's like Glee very shortly after. But yeah, it's I don't know. I also haven't seen it since 1998. It's got the funniest fucking non funny moment ever that pops on Reddit every once in a while. His death scene in it, it's like Dead Sea and hilarious. It's like this is how you want to convey that. It's really bad. Like it. So stew is like that's things like that movie. Like there's moments where it really works and there's moments where it doesn't. And it's really funny to kind of like watch that. It's not like, like, you know, like, Oh, you got to see Meet Joe Black. It's like if you watch Meet Joe Black, there's some stuff. There's some stuff. All right. Let's move on to these Oscars. We got to give them a little attention. It's they just really, really shit the bed this year. There's some decent stuff, but it's it's it's mostly tough times where it will start with screenplay and work our way into the picture. All right, here we go God. All right. I'll try to give good attitude. Best the best original screenplay. Here we go. Bulworth Life is Beautiful, which we haven't talked about yet. Saving Private Ryan, The Truman Show. I argue they gave it to the least deserving one. And that was Shakespeare in Love Wins. Here we go. We're kicking off the Oscars. I had to give that to The Truman Show 100%. I would, too. I would too, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Best Adapted Screenplay, Out of Sight was nominated. Primary Colors was nominated. A simple plan nominated. The Thin Red Line was nominated. They gave it to a decent script for a decent movie, Gods and Monsters, written by Bill Condon. Again, like I have nothing against that movie. Ian McKellen was nominated for it. It's a decent movie about a very famous director, James Whale, who directed Frankenstein Bride of Frankenstein, my pick there for screenplay. I mean, it's tough because you have out of sight the Thin Red line, I guess probably out of sight, if I'm being honest. I think I would agree because the Thin Red line, he did so much editing with it. Yes. Like, how do you really say that? Our best supporting actress. So what? You know, a lot has been made like Judi Dench wins. She's only in Shakespeare in love for 8 minutes. And it's like this whole thing. But it's it's not just that. Like leading up to this, Lynn had won precursor awards for Gods and Monsters. She's nominated Kathy Bates had won precursor awards for Primary Colors. She's nominated and then Judi Dench, who hadn't really won anything, they give it to her. And you know, a lot of this I'm going to talk about this a lot with best picture, but this is the Harvey Weinstein effect. This is what happens when you throw a lot of money at an Oscar campaign and you get, you know, awards like this and best actress. But, I mean, I guess is it's tough. It's not the strongest category, but probably Kathy Bates for me for Primary Colors. But they could have come up with some different nominees in general. Yeah, I got nothing for this one. Fair Yeah. The full nominees are Judi Dench, who wins for Shakespeare in Love, Kathy Bates, Primary Colors, Brenda Blethyn for Little Voice, A movie I've never seen. Rachel Griffiths for Hillary. Jackie, a movie I still have never seen. And then Lynn Redgrave for Gods and Monsters. So this is what I'm talking about. Like all the movies we've talked about today, all those top tens like there's better performances and more scene ones in there. This this is not a very good showing. Now, Supporting actor is in asterisks to the year because I think this these are with the exception of one these are really strong nominees and they went with a really good winner. Here's what we have. We have Robert Duvall's nominated for a civil action movie. I do like Ed Harris, who's nominated for The Truman Show and was kind of close to winning. I think a lot of people thought it could have gone that way. Geoffrey Rush is nominated Shakespeare in Love. What is one of his least effective performances? I think then Billy Bob Thornton is nominated for Simple Plan. That's a great running. I give it to Coburn for Affliction. A huge surprise win when it happened. I agree. Awesome. Yeah. It's like Ed Harris won the Golden Globe. Robert Duvall won the screen. Actors Guild and then Coburn, Geoffrey Rush won the fucking BAFTA for Shakespeare in Love, which is like baffling. But, you know, James Coburn wins, Love it. And then he passed away four years later. So really great, great cap on his career. Great cap kind of on its life. This is bad news that the leads are just bad news here. Start with best leading actress. Cate Blanchett is nominated for Elizabeth and a movie we haven't talked about yet. Fernanda montenegro is nominated for Central Station. I saw way back when. It's not bad, but again, not not a performance. The movie a lot of people still talk about, Meryl Streep is nominated for one true thing. The Wes Craven directed movie that not a lot of people talk about. It's a decent performance. It's Meryl Streep, Emily Watson for Hilary and Jackie, you could have got Jennifer Lopez out of sight to something to like give it a little more juice, a little more flavor, but instead you give it to Gwyneth Paltrow, who wins for Shakespeare in Love, which is, I think, widely understood. It's like a hangover from the Shakespeare in Love buzz that was created by Harvey Weinstein. Cate Blanchett for Elizabeth wins this in a mile wide race. To me, I you know, we're going to talk about Shakespeare in Love shortly, but I just it's not a win for me. What can I say? I agree. This is Cate Blanchett, for sure. But I'll tell these nominees really make me want to see this Hillary and Jacki movie. It's based on a true story. Maybe I did see it ages ago. I don't I just don't have any working knowledge of it. That's okay. I'm not trying to shit on these movies, but this is why it's not remembered as a good Oscar year, because it's like what was going on here? All right, best lead actor. This isn't a this is an important one to put in a context, too. Tom Hanks is nominated for Saving Private Ryan, Ian McKellen, Gods and Monsters, Nick Nolte Affliction. Edward Norton, American History X. Roberto Benigni Wins for the Harvey Weinstein Distributed Life Is Beautiful and the. There's a reason why this movie has not been mentioned so far in this podcast. That is not a movie for me. I, I suppose it's hard is in the right place. It ain't for me. That's I'll leave it there. I never agreed with this when I. Yeah, not. Not for me. I think this goes, said Norton or Nick Nolte after just seeing Affliction. But I've always felt that performance from Edward Norton was just really astounding. Yeah, I didn't even say who my vote would be. Mine would be Nolte in Affliction, but it's a strong year for that reason. What I want to put into context is that no, Jim Carrey was surprising because Ian McKellen is for a movie not a lot of people saw. So no Jim Carrey for The Truman Show. An important thing to note is that Roberto Mancini won a lot of the precursor awards. He won the Screen Actors Guild. He the BAFTA. Tom Hanks won nothing for this performance. He wasn't they I don't think they were ready to make him the first person alive to have three best actor Oscar trophies. They waited until 2012 to do that for Daniel Day-Lewis. So, yeah, just I don't agree with Benigni at all. Best director. Everyone knew Steven Spielberg was going to win, and he did. Also nominated Roberto Benigni for Life is Beautiful. John Madden for Shakespeare in Love, Terrence Malick, The Thin Red Line, and Peter Weir for The Truman Show. MALICK And we're were big surprises at the time. You know, Malick hasn't made a movie in 20 years. Peter Weir's a very respected director and it's like, Oh, cool, an Oscar nomination. So my vote, I love the in red light. I do. But I mean, it's tough because it's like all things being equal would give this to Malick because Spielberg already had one for Schindler's List. But I mean, it's tough because Malick doesn't have one yet. But I mean, I'm not mad. This is one thing the Oscars got right this year was giving this to Spielberg. They did. I'm not mad at this. I agree. I think purely just because of the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan, I think, you know, as long as you don't follow that with a piece of shit, you've you've earned an Academy Award for best directing. So I'm cool with this best picture. Here comes here. The nominees. Elizabeth Life is Beautiful. Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line in Shakespeare in Love. So the Oscars like to get cute sometimes. We saw this and we see this a lot. We saw this when they position best actor last in 2020 because they thought Chadwick Boseman was going to win. They're going to assume things sometimes. So they bring out a guy, an actor on stage to give out best picture. And this is an actor who, with Steven Spielberg, has made movies that have grossed probably billions of dollars, all the Indiana Jones movies. If you take into account Spielberg was slightly involved in Star Wars, we can add those into it. They bring out Steven Spielberg's old pal Harrison Ford, to the stage. Obviously, he's going to open the best picture envelope and it's going to be Saving Private Ryan. But that's not what happens. He opens it and he is the first one to know that shit. He'll producer Harvey Weinstein has officially bought this Oscar and best Picture is awarded very awkwardly to Shakespeare in Love. This is often regarded as one of the biggest gaffes in Oscar history, largely because, I mean, this was the next day. The next day it's in the press about how I'm not saying Harvey Weinstein went around and was giving people $1,000 cash to vote for this. Perhaps maybe what he was doing and what was reported that he was sending. Keep in mind, the academy is about 3000 members at this time. So he's sending these new cool things called DVD players to like all these members. He's sending DVD players with a bunch of Miramax DVDs, not just Shakespeare in Love, but, hey, check out Pulp Fiction. Check out this, check out this. All those great movies. So they're sending these gifts and going, you know what? Give director to Steven. That's fine. But when you are filling out your ballot, just best picture Shakespeare in, love. What's the big deal? You know, if we get enough, we might win. Let's do it. And it worked and it won. And it's embarrassing. And I remember seeing that and being like, if you're a fan, if you are a fan of movies and you become a fan of the Oscars at some point some year, all the romanticism is going to be sucked out of it for you and you're going to go, Oh, this is not about art. And maybe it's never been maybe one or two years. Every decade, the Oscars about art, but largely as it proved this year, it's about money. And that's it. In 2005, when they rejected Brokeback Mountain, to me, that was about homophobia and being like, we're not awarding this gay movie best picture yet. We'll give that best director, Ang Lee, fine, but we're not doing it. And that was just silly. And, you know, and that's my rant. It's I'm not even mad at it. It's just such it's so silly and dumb. I had not seen the movie since 1998, and it's on HBO, Max. So I watched it for this podcast. We're both going to report back. Here's what I did. I'm talking too much. I'm sorry, I fucking hate this movie. Here's what I did. Put my phone on, Do Not Disturb. And I put it in another room because I knew I was like, I don't think this movie is going to be for me, but I'm going to position myself on the couch and I'm not going to have distractions. And I didn't for 2 hours. I didn't do anything and I was bored to fucking tears. I do not. I mean, this this movie is just objectively bad to me. I think all the performances are bad. I think the final act in which we basically watch them put on Romeo and Juliet, it's like, who the fuck doesn't know how this story ends? You're making us do this for 45 minutes. I was stunned. I went, Wow like, it's embarrassing. It's one of the most embarrassing best picture wins to me. I thought it was a truly bad movie. I think I gave it one and a half stars out of five and, my letter box review, and I'm putting all the Oscar stuff aside. I just I don't think this is a good movie at all. My what are you watching? Recommendation? I'm going to mention this movie again. It's not obviously not what I'm recommending, but there are some of the same actors actually in the movie and they're so much better in the movie. I'm going to recommend so much better than they are in this. This is we're not going to talk about Shakespeare in Love very much on this podcast. So here it is. But that's a bad thing to leave on 1998 and film blah, I rewatched it in preparation for this for the same reason. I was like, All right, let me just see how this is. But you know, there is something to be said about, you know, in the work that we do for the podcast. Unless we absolutely need to watch something, we will. This was one situation where it was like, All right, I need to watch X amount of movies. So this is on the list. But 30 minutes in, I was like, I am wasting my time. I need to be watching other things and I'm 30 minutes into a movie that's not very long. And if I'm 30 minutes in and I know this is not going to make my list at all, I Moving on, I remember seeing this movie like I think I was in college and I remember thinking, Oh, it's cute. It's a funny idea of Shakespeare. That's where it ended. And then watching this again, I was like, I care even less so, not. Not, not. Yeah, as a best picture winner. That's crazy. Ridiculous. When you told me that you had turned off, I was like, good. Like, you gave it a fair shot, and you have a right to turn it off. Like our time is valuable. This isn't. Yeah, we're not doing, like, a deep dive on in love. You got enough to know, like, Yeah, I'm not wasting my time with this. I wanted to turn it off after 30 minutes, but I went, You got to do it like you got us sometimes. You know, it's been 25 years since seen this movie. You just got to sit down and do it. Oh, that's. That's. That's it. That's, you know, 1998. And in film, those are our favorite movies we just have. What are you watching left? But I mean, what would you have voted for? They're Saving Private Ryan or the Thin Red Line? With my heart. I would vote for the Thin Red line. But if I was kind of go with the times and like looking back at the history, I think I would have probably voted for Saving Private Ryan. That's how I do it, too. I don't it's not like what is what I'm doing my retroactive Oscar picks. It's not what was my favorite movie then that's automatically what wins. It does. It's I go into Oscar history too like I it would have been nice for 1998. Best picture, best director, same Private Ryan. Let's all go home. And that would have been nicer to have in history, in Oscar history than what it is now. Ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. All right. What are you watching? It sounds like we both have 1998 movies. I like it. You know, it's up to you. I can go first or second. It's always up to you. Well, I mean, yeah, it's always up to me. Always. I want to give a little credit to David Duchovny, so I'm going to bring up a movie that a 1992 movie called California with a K, Brad Pitt baby, Juliette Lewis. Oh, I know it. I know it. It's Kind of a weird, fun nineties movie that, like, doesn't work at times, but other times it does. And and Brad Pitt's crazy Juliette Lewis in her nineties heyday. I think there's some good in it I think it's fun. I do too it's it's kind of like crazy out there And Brad Pitt, I think Brad Pitt Juliette like dating at the time and it's just like it's a it's a rough, rough and tumble movie that is 30 years old. Well, yeah, she's is. That's a good one. That's good one. Yeah. I own that. I bet you do. I've hinted at mine. I had not I cannot believe I had not seen this movie before researching this post. I had never seen the motion picture Elizabeth starring Cate Blanchett. I don't know why. It just it was nominated for a bunch of Oscars, but I missed it. It was really good. It was very well-made. It's now my earliest Cate Blanchett movie. Geoffrey Rush and Joseph finds are both in Shakespeare in Love and they're both in Elizabeth, and they are so much better in Elizabeth, especially Geoffrey Rush. The Joseph Josephine's is the male lead in Shakespeare in Love. I get that. He's not in it as much. He's not in Elizabeth as much. But Geoffrey Rush is Geoffrey Rush is not good in Shakespeare in Love, and he is good. And Elizabeth, so again, just, you know, Harvey Weinstein, Elizabeth was nominated for seven Oscars in 1998. It won best make up. But like, that's not slumming. Like, that's a lot of Oscar nominations. And I don't feel like a lot of people talk about this movie. And I think more people do because Cate Blanchett got famous. But, you know, it was directed by Indian filmmaker Shekhar Kapoor, and he went on make the sequel Elizabeth the Golden Age, starring Cate Blanchett. She was nominated for an Oscar for that as well. But that's all I just I wanted to mention that because I was very surprised by how much I it. I did not think I was going to like it at all. This is not a time it's not a period in history that really interests me at all. Like to see in movies. And it's such a common but you know it was Cate Blanchett is playing the same character that Judi Dench plays in Shakespeare in Love. So I was like, I'm not going to this isn't going to be for me. And I really enjoyed it was really well-made movie. Go figure. Go figure. I've never seen it crazy. Yeah, it was. It was worth it. I never saw it because I thought it was just going to be like a mini Shakespeare in love. But I do recommend it, you know, not more than the other movies we mentioned today. But it like you said, it was literally something that I was watching and that's it. Another thing that I'm currently doing and watching says nothing to do with anything. It's a very fun way to end the episode. I've never seen a movie in The Conjuring universe, The Nun, Annabelle and the Nun two is in theaters right now. So I went on Wikipedia and I was like, You know what I'm gonna do? I'm going to watch every movie from this conjuring universe in the timeline order of the movies. So I'm like, so like, the nun takes first. So I'm watching that just going down. I've no idea what's going on in any of them. I'm through six of them. I watched Annabelle comes home last night and I think my next movie is The Conjuring. But no, no, no. The next movie is The Curse of LA, Your Honor. And then The Conjuring two. I'm just having a great time this is what one has to do when one is a lunatic movie fan. You have to create games for yourself because like, these movies aren't that. I knew that, but I wanted to see The Nun, too, in theaters because I just, like, go to the movies and I'm like, If I see this, I should. You know what others first, What a fun episode 1998. Which one's your favorite? Honestly. Okay, thank you for asking. I really appreciate this. So started with the nun and I'm wondering if that's my favorite because that was the first one I started with. And then the second one in franchise order is Annabelle Colon creation, a very good movie. I was very surprised. Like Anthony LaPaglia is in there. I'm like, Well, this is really good. And then I made my way to the first Annabelle. That movie sucked, so somehow the first Annabelle sucked, but then the prequel made several years later, which I watch first. Annabelle Creation pretty good. So Annabelle Creation and the non part one are my favorite so far, but I hear conjuring two is a real barn burner, so I'm going to put that one on later tonight. The Conjuring I did not really like either. I was. It's boring. I didn't. I don't know though. It's cool though, because like, imagine if if anyone has a franchise and you're like bored and want to do this. It's interesting because the nun ends with something, I was like, Oh, okay, now Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson are on screen and they haven't been in there. So this is clearly something that's going to pay off later in the franchise. And it did. And I was like, Oh, that's cool. It's like, you know, whatever people don't. I know you're look, I see your look. I feel your look, your judgment. I'm smiling. I know you're looking at me like John Cusack judging me. That was a lot of fun. I want to do more of the year ones. I like two year episodes. It was a really good top ten. I'm glad. Had a lot the same. I'm glad we had things different. Screw this Oscar year. Let us know what you're watching from 1998. Let us know your favorite movie. All those versus Shakespeare in Love versus Saving Private Ryan. Deep Impact verse Armageddon. Let us know on Twitter Instagram Letterbox at W AIW underscore Podcast. But as always, thanks for listening and happy watching. Hey everyone. Thanks again for listening. You can watch my films and read my movie at Alex Withrow dot com Nicholas Dose Tor.com is where you can find all of Nick's film work. Send us mailbag questions at What Are You Watching podcast at gmail.com or find us on Twitter, Instagram and letterboxd at W aiw underscore podcast. I saw Killers of the Flower Moon last night and wow, next time I'm going to talk about the movie the book. It is based on DiCaprio, De Niro, good long movies, a lot of fun. 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